The Genocide Files (Book Review)

batterboy58



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Message Posted:
03/02/2009 19:22

I am halfway through reading this unputdownable book.

Having got this far, I am doubtful whether the GC powers have given up their desires even to this day.

Has everyone else read this and if so I would be interested to hear your thoughts.



"Beware of Greeks bearing gifts"

cronos


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Message Posted:
03/02/2009 19:23

Hi batterboy.....batten down the hatches and be prepared to be "educated" by certain members who would question your choice of reading material !

batterboy58



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Message Posted:
03/02/2009 19:35

Thanks Cronos

I did say that I would be interested to hear their thoughts, any attempts to educate me will be met with stiff resistance.

Stewart


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Message Posted:
03/02/2009 19:36

A good independant read is "The Cyprus Conspiracy"

maybemike


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Message Posted:
03/02/2009 19:48

I have read this and death of a friendship and whilst I accept it may have been flowered up a bit it is still the true story of what happened ...the gc's were trying to rid the island of tc's and genocide was their preferred method...I have spoken with many tc's and some do say it has it inaccuracies.



As a book, an eye opener after living in the south and listening to the propoganda put out there.

batterboy58



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Message Posted:
03/02/2009 20:01

I had also heard all the propaganda in the south some 12 years ago, it wasn't until I visited the North a couple of years ago, I heard the other side of the story.

But nothing prepares you for the atrocities, lies and politics described in this book.

Macha


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Message Posted:
03/02/2009 20:09

You'd get more facts and intellectual stimulation from a Mills & Boon. Trouble is, there's a surprising number of people who can't tell the difference between poisonous propaganda garbage and a good reference book which can be learned from.



I'd compare it with the bad old days when schoolchildren on both sides in Cyprus were fed lies and demonisations about the other community. Because frankly if anyone gets through the first two chapters of Genocide Files without realising something is seriously wrong, they should be treated as a child - and a dumb one at that.

cronos


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Message Posted:
03/02/2009 20:15

batterboy.....46 minutes after my initial post,my prediction comes true !



I ought to be an astrologer !

batterboy58



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Message Posted:
03/02/2009 21:19

LOL Cronos

I suppose we all must be dumb then

rowlo



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Message Posted:
03/02/2009 21:50

you read the book macha ??

barnaclebill


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Message Posted:
03/02/2009 22:45

Why was it that when I was with the UN 73/74 that we only looked after Cypriot (Turkish) enclaves.Was it to keep the Cypriots (Turkish) from having a go at the Cypriot (Greeks) or the other way around,????? Do any of our learnerd friends on this Forum no if any of the reports made by the UN will become public knowledge because surely these reports made will have times ,dates incidents all documented which cant be refuted.I was based in Limmasol,Pathos,Mandaria Polis Morphou,Polis Famagusta and Kophinu.Cant say much about the North as it was overseen by the Danes and Austrians.Only came up here when we had time off as it was much nicer.

chick


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Message Posted:
03/02/2009 22:56

Batterboy58.



I,ll join your club, I have read it twice.



Stewart.



I have read the "Cyprus Conspirasy, found it a bit heavy going but certainly an eye opener.

Macha


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Message Posted:
03/02/2009 23:13

cronos:



"46 minutes after my initial post,my prediction comes true! I ought to be an astrologer."



No kidding, Sherlock. Does saying Tuesday is followed by Wednesday make one an astrologer, too?

Macha


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Message Posted:
03/02/2009 23:21

batterboy:



"I suppose we all must be dumb then"





http://www.lyricsmode.com/lyrics/f/frank_zappa/dumb_all_over.html

batterboy58



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Message Posted:
04/02/2009 01:30

Macha



Chapter 18, nothing seriously wrong.

Oh wait!

Ga Ga, Ga Ga

newscoop


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Message Posted:
04/02/2009 09:47

Message 17;



Regarding the schooling on both sides Macha infers that the GC kids are now getting a more "balanced" view of what really happened re the Cyprob, If that is the case why are the orthodox church and the teachers unions up in arms about the proposed "rewriting of their glorious Hellenistic history?" The version where the Brits and Americans caused the problems and the Turks destroyed the republic in 1963.

mmmmmm



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Message Posted:
04/02/2009 10:40

Hi Newscoop re 16



Why.. do YOU think the US and UK DIDN'T stir thing up... ? Divide and Rule.. Try and look up some of the recently released files on Cyprus, from the UK / US govts..



I be pleased if GC kids were getting a more "balanced" viewpoint - but I didn't see it as recently as a year ago.. :(



Too much blame on TR and not enough (YET) on naval searching..



re 11 BB



No I don't know when / if the UN release such things, but there was a case I remember were a Swedish UN soldier abandoned his post and "went over" to the TC "side" to help out the folk enclaved in Kokkinos / Erinkoy.

frontalman



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Message Posted:
04/02/2009 10:45

I read an article recently in the (South) Cyprus Mail by a GC which seemed to corroborate much of that which is written in "The Genocide Files". I thought it a bloody good read and hope all interested in the 'conflict' get a chance to read it. After all the GC (false) propaganda over the years, nice to have a bit of balance. Another good one is the novel "Love and Death in Cyprus", my copy of which is doing the rounds in the UK.

batterboy58



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Message Posted:
04/02/2009 10:46

Macha



As I was not there and I doubt that you were either, my limited knowledge of Cyprus affairs comes from hearing and reading the reports of those that were.



The fact that your knowledge comes from Frank Zappa lyrics says it all really.

batterboy58



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Message Posted:
04/02/2009 17:03

back to the top

Chicken Run


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Message Posted:
04/02/2009 17:40

Batterboy - Enjoy the book... although horrific it is a good insight into the nightmare the GC's inflicted on the TC's.



Cronos MSG2 - How true and how predictable... lol



Macha - Some "Independent" press reports from around the world at the time, which more than back up HSG's book:



On Dec. 28, 1963, the Daily Express carried the following report from Cyprus: "We went tonight into the sealed-off Turkish Cypriot quarter of Nicosia in which 200 to 300 people had been slaughtered in the last five days. We were the first Western reporters there, and we have seen sights too frightful to be described in print. Horror was so extreme that the people seemed stunned beyond tears."

Chicken Run


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Message Posted:
04/02/2009 17:41

On Dec. 31, 1963, The Guardian reported: "It is nonsense to claim, as the Greek Cypriots do, that all casualties were caused by fighting between armed men of both sides. On Christmas Eve many Turkish Cypriot people were brutally attacked and murdered in their suburban homes, including the wife and children of a doctor-allegedly by a group of 40 men, many in army boots and greatcoats." Although the Turkish Cypriots fought back as best they could and killed some militia, there were no massacres of Greek Cypriot civilians.



On Jan. 1, 1964, the Daily Herald reported: "When I came across the Turkish Cypriot homes they were an appalling sight. Apart from the walls they just did not exist. I doubt if a napalm attack could have created more devastation. Under roofs springs, children's cots, and gray ashes of what had once been tables, chairs and wardrobes. In the neighboring village of Ayios Vassilios I counted 16 wrecked and burned out homes. They were all Turkish Cypriot's. In neither vil

Chicken Run


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Message Posted:
04/02/2009 17:41

On Jan. 2, 1964, the Daily Telegraph wrote: "The Greek Cypriot community should not assume that the British military presence can or should secure them against Turkish intervention if they persecute the Turkish Cypriots. We must not be a shelter for double-crossers."



On Jan. 12, 1964, the British High Commission in Nicosia wrote in a telegram to London: "The Greek [Cypriot] police are led by extremist who provoked the fighting and deliberately engaged in atrocities. They have recruited into their ranks as 'special constables' gun-happy young thugs. They threaten to try and punish any Turkish Cypriot police who wishes to return to the Cyprus Government... Makarios assured Sir Arthur Clark that there will be no attack. His assurance is as worthless as previous assurances have proved."

Chicken Run


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Message Posted:
04/02/2009 17:44

There's loads more similar to these... all back up the Genocide files.



Have to go... dinners in the oven ;o)

Chicken Run


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Message Posted:
04/02/2009 17:49

Sorry... my msg 22 should have finished:



In neither village did I find a scrap of damage to any Greek Cypriot house."



Thanks!

mmmmmm



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Message Posted:
05/02/2009 05:48

A bit of balance: from Afrika - a newspaper in the north - Sener Levent's column comments about the statement made by a Turkish war veteran who said that during the Turkish invasion of the

island in 1974 they gave their hardtacks[?hard tactics]] to the Greek Cypriot prisoners of war. -sorry about the translation :

" What days were those days. That summer was a hot summer. As hot as the

bullet.

Did the Turkish war veteran, who said that he had given his hardtacks

to the Greek Cypriot prisoners of war, go through the villages in the

mountains?

Did not his stomach get upset and feel to nauseate or wanted to vomit.

Did not he feel dizzy from the smell of the blood?

Most probably he had never seen prisoners of war whose hands were tied

behind and executed. (cont)

mmmmmm



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Message Posted:
05/02/2009 05:50

He was a villager from a mountain village



He started telling:



In the village the soldiers were taking away 30-40 Greek Cypriot

prisoners I was curious about what they would do and where they were

taking them I followed them From time to time the soldiers turned back

and were telling me go away. I did not go. I follow them to the

bitter end they stopped before a wall. They had lined them up one by

one. It was a place like an orchard enclosed with boarding But they

looked around in order not to be seen by others. What would they do I

leaned my head on the boarding I was in a position to see everything

All of a sudden they fired and gunned them down The earth turned into a

pool of blood Then the commander ordered the soldiers to go near them

and fire a bullet at their head. So they did and they were sure that

all of them died!

It was obvious that he had witnessed so many savagery and ferocities

that he could speak volumes of them and not finish. (cont)

mmmmmm



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Message Posted:
05/02/2009 05:51

They had told us in the village that we should not go to that side

Because of this we became very curious and walked towards that side.

My father, myself and another young man.

All of a sudden we found ourselves in a corpses cemetery where the

corpses were lying in the open and the graves yet to be dug.

A heap of gunned down people were lying in a blood pool And one of them

was still alive A Greek Cypriot policeman My father knew him. He was a

traffic warden. When he saw us he tried to sit up. He was badly

injuredwith a grumbling tone he asked for a doctor We have exchanged

glances with my father What could we do? The young man next to us was

unmoved When he saw that the Greek Cypriot is trying to sit up, he took

a stone and shouted You still alive, you did not die like a dog and

tried to move towards him. My father stopped him. He took the stone

from him, but he resented very much He started running towards the

village and he was shouting Now you will see. (cont)

mmmmmm



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Message Posted:
05/02/2009 05:53

We were, with my father,

undecided about what to do We could hand this wounded man to UN troops

But how? While we were brooding about it we had heard the sound of a car coming towards us. We immediately went into hiding. The car came and stopped next to the corpses, the young man and a man with a gun came down of the car. The man asked Where are they? The young man said: They were

here a while ago. Then the man heard the whining of the man He asked:

Is this the one who did not die and tried to sit up? The young man

said: Yes And the man stood up near the wounded, aimed at him and

emptied his guns magazine And then he said let him sit up now.



At the end of this story, he laughed ironically again



So, they gave their hardtacks to them



While he was leaving, he said: Do not write my name and then returned

and said Do not think that I am afraid of If a committee is established

as you are saying, I am ready to go and tell everything

(cont)

mmmmmm



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Message Posted:
05/02/2009 06:07

These ferocity stories are so many that they do not end by telling



You too say what you know. Do not worry



Your fussy peace process will not be blown up"







I could tell you stories about the torture TC Policemen carried out in front of UK squaddies during the EOKA [not Beta] days, when GCs couldn't be "trusted" and they wanted "quick" answers..



These guys - in their 70's and 80's now - talked of these things in 2004 across a table of Brits, Irish, Cypriots (GC and TC) and hoped it was all going to be solved, soon



OK, so we know both "sides" committed atrocities.. Plenty of 'em in Ireland.. and some more recent..Now we can go on quoting stories, to try and demonstrate one "tribe" was nastier than t'other.. or get back to NOW and plans for the future..