Miliband waits for title Cyprus deed action

pinkchilli


Joined: 30/11/2008
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Message Posted:
18/02/2009 16:59

PROTECTING the rights of property buyers in Cyprus is being discussed by some of the most powerful names in UK politics, after a stream of disgruntled home owners have been forced to plead to British MPs for urgent assistance.



Most pleas come from residents that remain stuck in limbo with no end in sight to their title deed saga. A staggering 80 per cent to 90 per cent of all owners of properties still do not have their deeds.



In two letters seen by the Cyprus Mail, British Foreign Secretary David Miliband and Chancellor Alistair Darling have been in communication concerning the ongoing saga within the past ten days.



Darling, representing two of his constituents that are fighting for the deeds for a property they bought on the island, received a lengthy response from Miliband last week which stated:



For full article click:



http://www.cyprus-mail.com/news/main.php?id=44111&cat_id=1

cronos


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Message Posted:
18/02/2009 17:34

Worthy stuff....but I suspect this is in relation to title deed issues in the RoC south.

Macha


Joined: 18/01/2009
Posts: 650

Message Posted:
18/02/2009 18:09

Correct. This is all about the south.



Darling and Milliband have rather more important domestic and international economic issues on their minds at the moment.



Not only do they not give a flying **** about people who ignored all the warnings and got burned, but if they dared to intervene over a Brit who bought stolen GC property they would be in HUGE political trouble. The UK press would expose them trying to help people who exploited war victims and refugees and they would be torn to shreds. They are losing votes by the day and this would make a bad situation worse.



I would imagine that even if they were approached for help in their capacity as constituency MPs, they would pen a polite letter pointed out the UK government does not recognise the TRNC, has issued public warning about buying property there and as a result they are unable to offer any help.

Chick-A-Dee


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Message Posted:
18/02/2009 18:13

Thanks Pinkchilli for bringing this to our attention.

kavenkoy


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Posts: 1787

Message Posted:
18/02/2009 20:12

i emailed mr milliband 2 weeks ago and to my suprise got a written reply from the head of foreign and commonwealth.



i wanted at this stage for the mps of uk etc to realise that all the chats they have they shouldnt forget the uk citizens in whole of cyprus .



i just gave him the worked for 30 years ,paid your stamp and wanted some vocal support if needed letter ,after all i said we were uk citizens .



rightly it was a politicains reply letter ,and i agree that it has to be solved by cypriots.



but why then do they have ameeting ,run over to greece or turkey and invite uk etc ,if it isnt for each sides approval .



everybody get writing



kav

Tiggy


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Message Posted:
18/02/2009 20:18

Nice one Kav.

mmmmmm



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Message Posted:
18/02/2009 20:37

Re msg 1, Pinkchilli



It IS a scandal island wide - that's WHY the UK FCO publish warnings about CYPRUS - with a specific warning for the "north".



The joke is that if one wants to sell in the "south" and you haven't got title - as the project isin't "finished" and clear of bank guarantees, one has to PAY a fe to he developer and bank to get a surety that the new buyer can buy without "worry"



Good advice ANY WHERE on Cyprus to buy used - with Deeds .. in the South - no need to worry about permission to purchase - unless you are buying more than one property - and that only applies until 30/4/09





Sorry- but those of you in the "north" are REALLY on your own - as the UK govt can't apply any pressure via the EU.

Corinium


Joined: 23/03/2008
Posts: 58

Message Posted:
18/02/2009 22:44

mmmmmm - reply 7



You are factually incorrect when quoting the UK FCO publishing warnings.

Nowhere on the webste does it publish any warnings about buying in Cyprus. It certainly does NOT mention ANYTHING about buying in the North.



Scaremongering are you??

rowlo



Joined: 12/10/2008
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Message Posted:
18/02/2009 22:52

corinium msg 8 he will put a link up soon lol

mmmmmm



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Message Posted:
18/02/2009 23:52

Dear Corinium re msg 8 ( You were right Rowlo, - msg 9 !!!)



I make it a point to never knowingly fib...



over to you .."scaremongering", eh... ;)



http://ukincyprus.fco.gov.uk/en/help-for-british-nationals/living-in-cyprus/buying-property



Always glad to help folk ...

WAZ-24-7



Joined: 18/10/2008
Posts: 695

Message Posted:
19/02/2009 00:11

Buying property abroad has always brought with it levels of risk, wherever it may be

Legal systems abroad are often very much different to what UK citizens are used to. Local and de-facto situations are often strange, irrational and without comprehension to us suburben brits.

Cyprus property issues are explained very superficially on the FCO web site.

Most buyers will have done their research, performed their own risk assesment, and made financial and prudent decisions accordingly.

It is clearly the case that some participants upon this forum deem it helpful to undermine and mock these mature and sensible adults that have clearly made their own clear decisions. Those said participants should cease their unhelpfull mockery and get on with their own lives and decisions.

clarets



Joined: 08/01/2009
Posts: 752

Message Posted:
19/02/2009 01:40

Macha,msg 3.......you really need to stop playing that rather boring record now.Is there absolutely nothing else inside that tiny little mind........in war,the spoils go to the victor...get over yourself!

mmmmmm



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Message Posted:
19/02/2009 10:01

Dear Waz re msg 11



You say the same thing on msg 23 of this thread http://www.cyprus44.com/forums/11116.asp



"Cyprus property issues are explained very superficially on the FCO web site. "



and my retort is the same..



"NONSENSE" .. it warns of the possible legal lections without quoting actual cases - leaving no-one in any doubt that "buying" in a "country" that isn't recognised - that is REALLY part of a country that can't effectively govern it - adds a HUGE element of risk - WAY above the norm of buying abroad..



THAT is why prices are SO cheap compared to the "south" .. the RISK effects the price..



"Most buyers will have done their research, performed their own risk assesment, and made financial and prudent decisions accordingly. " - again, NOT what I read here, and NOT what the Orams' said in the RoC Court ..



Lastly, I hardly think offering the "official line" out side of "TRNC" / TR bias - is undermining, nor mocking...

redtom


Joined: 30/12/2008
Posts: 116

Message Posted:
19/02/2009 10:44

Macha , what is a vitriolic biased person like you posting on a BB like this . Are you some kind of trouble maker or are you a typical P.ss Pot.

mmmmmm



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Message Posted:
19/02/2009 11:01

Dear Redtom re msg 14,



I guess he has as much right to post his options re the "TRNC" and Cyprus in general as you have to discuss footie or Steve Gerrard arrest ;)



He has a property in Cyprus - that happens to be in the north on UNDISPUTED title.. I reckon that gives him just as much right to post as you..



Bias? I suppose all the official UK / ECHR / UN "stuff" he correctly quotes is "biased", too ?!



As for vitriol, look no further than posts made by members who refer to "victors and spoils".. !

redtom


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Message Posted:
19/02/2009 11:11

mmmmmmm He has a property in Cyprus - that happens to be in the north on UNDISPUTED title.. I reckon that is a lie. Him Like yourself do not have any constructive dialogue or unbiased opinions.

andre 514


Joined: 31/03/2008
Posts: 1163

Message Posted:
19/02/2009 13:44

so that's it buy property in the south and apart from flimsy trnc laws,

there's nothing or nobody to protect from the most extravagent claim



no hang on



I can think of something...but I just can't place it I really can't

it is on the tip of my togue it truly is, but what it really is just escapes me

it is really so obvious but doesn't come up in conversation much and yet....



can anyone hep me out?



andre

andre 514


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Posts: 1163

Message Posted:
19/02/2009 13:48

correction:



the first line in msg 17 should read



"buy propert in the NORTH"... (what a jerk)



and I just recall what it was I was trying so hard to remember



its the XXXXXXX XXXX



oops! now I gave the game away



andre

mmmmmm



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Message Posted:
19/02/2009 14:31

Dear Redtom, re msg 16



1/ "Macha" really does own a pre 74 pad... I'm sure if you chat quietly with AJ he'd put you straight



2/ You are of course entitled to your opinion to the validity of our respective contributions.. ... I try not to be" rude ", even when "provoked" ...!

juliet


Joined: 11/01/2009
Posts: 612

Message Posted:
19/02/2009 14:52

mmmmmm



msg 19



exactly! AJ & also my self can vouch for your post!

jay76


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Posts: 532

Message Posted:
19/02/2009 15:46

Pikey posting under numerous names again.

Macha


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Message Posted:
19/02/2009 17:25

clarets:



"Macha,msg 3.......you really need to stop playing that rather boring record now.Is there absolutely nothing else inside that tiny little mind........in war,the spoils go to the victor...get over yourself!"





A profound and deeply analytical message which will need some pondering.



So in the meantime:



1. Try telling that to the Oramses and all those about to follow in their wake.



2. "Physician" heal thyself.

Macha


Joined: 18/01/2009
Posts: 650

Message Posted:
19/02/2009 17:29

redtom:



"Macha , what is a vitriolic biased person like you posting on a BB like this . Are you some kind of trouble maker or are you a typical P.ss Pot."



Another example of the more sophisticated type of posting from the class of individual attracted by cheap property off the back of a lorry.



I have a stake in Cyprus and a legal one at that. Can you say the same, or will you ever be able to?

Hector


Joined: 26/08/2008
Posts: 2352

Message Posted:
19/02/2009 18:02

Look on the bright side, you could have simply invested in bank shares rather than property on either side of Cyprus...

redtom


Joined: 30/12/2008
Posts: 116

Message Posted:
19/02/2009 19:14

Macha I have a stake in Cyprus and a legal one at that. Can you say the same, or will you ever be able to? Yes of course i do , I own propertys on either side of the Cyprus divide three in the south at Protarus and Paphos and at the moment only one in the north . I did go to see a property in Larnaca were the previous owner was a Turkish Cypriot but it now belongs to a greek Cypriot.

WAZ-24-7



Joined: 18/10/2008
Posts: 695

Message Posted:
19/02/2009 21:30

mmmmm

Msg 13,

You clearly have made your own risk assesment and chosen to vacate Cyprus.



Life is full of risk. Like many others I am well accustomed to risk and decision making on a daily basis. I have no need of your persistant preachings.

I think it only repectfull that you cease to mock persons that have chosen to live in,invest in and enjoy the TRNC.

I hope that your absence from Cyprus has minimised your risk and that you will find nirvana elsewhere.



I

mmmmmm



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Message Posted:
19/02/2009 21:44

Dear Waz, re msg 26



1/ "risk assessment" had nothing to do with our decision to move to the UK ;) .. Very simple.. keep the Wife "happy".. !



2/ When the RoC finally settles up - and Veta's son is "independent" - who knows we might summer near Gocek in Turkey, re-settle in Cyprus or move to Siberia.. bugger all to do with "risk assessment"..



3/ Again, you use the word "mock" ... I have some "worthy adversaries", on here, with whom I can REALLY disagree and remain quite civil and you feel "mocked"... ? :D

mmmmmm



Joined: 19/12/2008
Posts: 8398

Message Posted:
19/02/2009 21:49

Redtom re msg 25



But is your "stake" in "TRNC" "legal" - as far as the world outside TR / TRNC is concerned.?!



BTW I note you persisted in "hounding" posters on threads re "facts" - so it is good to see you like to see things sorted .. will you be retracting your suggestion re Macha and his pad ? ;)

cronos


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Message Posted:
19/02/2009 21:50

mmmmmm.....when you can use "summer" as a verb you know you've really arrived

mmmmmm



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Message Posted:
19/02/2009 23:22

Re msg 29, One instinctively knows, doesn't one.. ??!



CLEVER Cronos.... ;)