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negativenick

Joined: 10/11/2008 Posts: 6023
Message Posted: 21/02/2009 16:43 | Join or Login to Reply | Message 1 of 63 in Discussion |
| Most rubbish you've seen dumped in TRNC... 1) High View Homes site entrance, opp the Golf Club. 2) Opposite Valley View Restaurant (by Accapulco). The persons involved should be hung by the neck until they agree to clean the mess up. Nick |
ilovecyprus

Joined: 08/05/2007 Posts: 2880
Message Posted: 21/02/2009 16:48 | Join or Login to Reply | Message 2 of 63 in Discussion |
| Hope the noose is not too tight Nick, otherwise they will die before they have cleaned up the mess. |
dixie normus

Joined: 22/02/2008 Posts: 820
Message Posted: 21/02/2009 16:55 | Join or Login to Reply | Message 3 of 63 in Discussion |
| Nick , if you hang all the TCs that dump rubbish, there will only be the Brits and Greeks left here, suppose its one way to solve the reunification problem. D.N |
joandjelly

Joined: 24/02/2008 Posts: 2953
Message Posted: 21/02/2009 18:29 | Join or Login to Reply | Message 4 of 63 in Discussion |
| Down near the sea in Karsiyaka close to the blot on the landscape unfinished hotel. What really annoys me is that rather than dump on top of the existing rubbish, they dump in amongst the trees. |
Quarmby

Joined: 15/09/2008 Posts: 975
Message Posted: 21/02/2009 18:33 | Join or Login to Reply | Message 5 of 63 in Discussion |
| DN unfortunately some Brits have already got into the local habit, throwing their rubbish over their own walls, obviously have no thought for their neighbour hood or the TRNC's environment, shame on them!! |
Woodspeckie

Joined: 25/01/2009 Posts: 2263
Message Posted: 21/02/2009 18:33 | Join or Login to Reply | Message 6 of 63 in Discussion |
| On the way down to the High Life Hotel at the bend in the road turn right and walk along there the most disgusting sight I have ever seen dumped in a field. |
Mindy


Joined: 27/10/2008 Posts: 1210
Message Posted: 21/02/2009 19:58 | Join or Login to Reply | Message 7 of 63 in Discussion |
| On the road past Acmenya restaurant going towards Malatya, I couldnt believe it, a field at the side of the road used as a dumping ground for all kinds of rubbish, and I was told it is the dump for Alsancak beledeye, in fact I witnessed a council truck arriving with tree branches and other debris, right next to this dump is a site building bungalows all advertised for sale. That made me laugh... who would buy next to that debacle... |
rtddci

Joined: 29/12/2007 Posts: 842
Message Posted: 21/02/2009 20:05 | Join or Login to Reply | Message 8 of 63 in Discussion |
| The picnic site just outside Girne towards Lefkosia after a weekend or holiday. |
AlsancakJack


Joined: 14/08/2008 Posts: 5762
Message Posted: 21/02/2009 20:13 | Join or Login to Reply | Message 9 of 63 in Discussion |
| Mindy I think you are talking about the cardboard recycling plot (on the left before you get to the Black Olive Cafe. If this is not the location then I apologize). It is an interesting situation. People are complaining about the lack of recycling in the TRNC and when someone takes up the initiative then people still complain. And it is the usual 'not in my back yard' scenario. It may be a debacle to you but it is a start in the recycling effort that is trying to be introduced in the TRNC. AJ |
Mindy


Joined: 27/10/2008 Posts: 1210
Message Posted: 21/02/2009 20:47 | Join or Login to Reply | Message 10 of 63 in Discussion |
| AJ if this is the case I apoligise, but would you like to live in one of the houses next to this site, it is the worst position possible for a recycling site. Que tourists (should we get any this year) coming down from the Riverside holiday village seeing that. enough said |
Hippo

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Message Posted: 21/02/2009 21:34 | Join or Login to Reply | Message 11 of 63 in Discussion |
| Posts by NN |
AlsancakJack


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Message Posted: 21/02/2009 22:14 | Join or Login to Reply | Message 12 of 63 in Discussion |
| Mindy Please don't apologise, it just worries me that sometimes people do not see the other side of the coin. And yes I agree with you it is not a nice view to be seen by holiday makers from the Riverside but where ever this recycling plot is going to be put it is going to upset someone. And as far as the Riverside guest's are concerned I am sure that driving past something that is not right on their doorstep will not worry them too much. AJ |
rowlo


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Message Posted: 21/02/2009 22:17 | Join or Login to Reply | Message 13 of 63 in Discussion |
| how about some of the replies on here ????????????????/ |
AlsancakJack


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Message Posted: 21/02/2009 22:33 | Join or Login to Reply | Message 14 of 63 in Discussion |
| rowlo Not sure what you mean, I do not disagree about the rubbish that is deposited by people in the TRNC, I was replying to a specific posting by Mindy. I would hasten to add the most Belideye's have a rubbish collection service and will pick up any refuse that is reported to them. Sometimes you may have to pay (a small sum) sometimes you will not pay anything. But as I see it a lot of people complain but they don't complain to the right people. Every resident has a Muhtar that takes care of problems in their particular area and the Muhtar is the person that you need to talk to about sorting out any of these problems. AJ |
Mindy


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Message Posted: 21/02/2009 22:52 | Join or Login to Reply | Message 15 of 63 in Discussion |
| AJ What is needed here, is Education, Education, Education. Or even some simple notices put up in english and turkish in all public places just saying: Take your litter home...... or fines will be imposed...... Can't believe the government hasn't jumped on this as it would be money in their coffers. The road to Kayalar is awash with rubbish in the summer, does any one feel ashamed or embarassed by these scenes. |
rowlo


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Message Posted: 21/02/2009 22:58 | Join or Login to Reply | Message 16 of 63 in Discussion |
| if youre out for the day at the beach ,picnic etc, why not take a bin bag with you and take youre rubbish home with you ?????????? |
Mindy


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Message Posted: 21/02/2009 23:09 | Join or Login to Reply | Message 17 of 63 in Discussion |
| Rowlo That is exactly what I do, and I am sure many others do also. I was told there is money back from the beer bottles here, so I am surprised at the many Efes bottles thrown all over Karsiyaka beach. |
rowlo


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Message Posted: 21/02/2009 23:13 | Join or Login to Reply | Message 18 of 63 in Discussion |
| ditto ditto mindy |
Navek


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Message Posted: 21/02/2009 23:46 | Join or Login to Reply | Message 19 of 63 in Discussion |
| We were driving out of a village this week. Noticed two kids with a wheelbarrow dumping plastic buckets and other man made materials down a ravine opposite the local Muhtar's shop!!! Could hardly believe my eyes :-( |
Mindy


Joined: 27/10/2008 Posts: 1210
Message Posted: 22/02/2009 01:00 | Join or Login to Reply | Message 20 of 63 in Discussion |
| I was driving behind a large white van a few months ago when a carrier bag full of rubbish was thrown out of the window onto the roadside. The culprit was a young woman passenger with a small child on her knee. She is setting a great example to the future generation , don't you think........... NOT |
tonni

Joined: 07/12/2008 Posts: 178
Message Posted: 22/02/2009 01:44 | Join or Login to Reply | Message 21 of 63 in Discussion |
| IMMIGRANTS!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
fire starter

Joined: 19/06/2008 Posts: 3401
Message Posted: 22/02/2009 09:54 | Join or Login to Reply | Message 22 of 63 in Discussion |
| i only ever throw rubbish, when my neighbour has thrown it in my garden. then i throw it back on there door step, whilst yelling loudly. kopek is a good word, one they don't appreciate being called. the biggest pile of rubbish has to be dikmen dump, the smell is digusting, especially in the summer. i feel sorry for those who live close by. |
biker-babe

Joined: 30/12/2008 Posts: 75
Message Posted: 22/02/2009 13:09 | Join or Login to Reply | Message 23 of 63 in Discussion |
| Message no1 My partner and i visited the High View Homes site opposite the golf course entrance. the builder has dumped dozens of lorryloads of building waste in a beatiful ravene by the road. it is disgusting. but it gets worse. opposite the finsihed houses is the builders camp which he refuses to knock down. absolutely no way would we buy from a company like that. i feel sorry for the poor people who have bought from them. Suzie. |
deecyprus4

Joined: 27/07/2008 Posts: 3452
Message Posted: 22/02/2009 13:24 | Join or Login to Reply | Message 24 of 63 in Discussion |
| I went to look at Highview homes a week or so ago, just by the golf course on Esentepe road, just drove there on the off chance for an afternnon drive, I like looking at houses and I had heard that these were rather nice...what a bloody shock I got, nice houses yes but I really wouldnt want to live in the middle of a gypsy encampment..infact gypsies are cleaner...I have never seen so much crap dumped before. I wouldnt buy from that builder if he was virtually giving them away...a real health hazard IMO. |
craig2536

Joined: 09/06/2007 Posts: 277
Message Posted: 22/02/2009 13:25 | Join or Login to Reply | Message 25 of 63 in Discussion |
| its amazing that highview builders are allowed to fly tip opposite the golf course, Mustapha the esentepe muhtar, I hope you are reading this,I have seen their red white and blue tipper dumping tons and tons of builders rubble there, then their jcb tries to hide it, they are not flying our flag, its disgraceful, every day I drive past and see the mess. I am sure people living there must be pulling their hair out. Makes you laugh all these builders do this on or next to their own devlopments, would put off any further potential buyers for sure. |
dixie normus

Joined: 22/02/2008 Posts: 820
Message Posted: 22/02/2009 13:43 | Join or Login to Reply | Message 26 of 63 in Discussion |
| Neg Nick With regard to the rubbish by the High View Homes site I saw one of their trucks dumping tons of crap last week, followed the truck to whats seems to be a squatters camp in trees where Highview building workers shack up, by one of the Highview completed sites. Shame for the people who live in the luxury homes alongside this dump and shanty town, rubbish all over, dogs roaming about. The owner of the company needs to get his act together as his disregard for the enviroment, the conditions he houses his workers in and disrespect he shows to folks who have bought his villas can only reflect on the image of his company. D.N |
Tiggy

Joined: 25/07/2007 Posts: 1994
Message Posted: 22/02/2009 13:53 | Join or Login to Reply | Message 27 of 63 in Discussion |
| Pike & Suzzane, so someone told me. It is alleged of course. Talk the biggest load of garbage the Island has ever seen. They should be made to clear up their act. |
negativenick

Joined: 10/11/2008 Posts: 6023
Message Posted: 22/02/2009 15:42 | Join or Login to Reply | Message 28 of 63 in Discussion |
| High View Homes rubbish dumping opp the golf course entrance ? - you've got to read this off their website: http://www.highview-homes.com/company_profile.php "and we are particular to preserve the environment. We design around the trees and if necessary they are replanted safely so the beauty of north cyprus is mainted" What a bloody joke the shite they have dumped by the road beggars belief, there must be over 100 tonnes ! - if i'd bought off these clowns, i'd be fuming. Nick |
TimothyCadman

Joined: 13/12/2007 Posts: 1040
Message Posted: 22/02/2009 15:56 | Join or Login to Reply | Message 29 of 63 in Discussion |
| I'm suprised to hear that the High View Homes site opposite the Golf Course is still a mess. By now that site should be cleared and the road to the site installed and all the people should have their title deeds, but it appears that this site is still the builders site it was over 2 years ago. I worked for an Estate Agent when I lived there and because of the workmans huts, lack of road access and general fly tipping the resale homes on the site prospective buyers wouldn't entertain buying unless they had a clear date that all the huts, materials and road would be installed. Many were also put off buying at other sites after seeing that site for fear of their site remaining the same after their new villa was finished. Eray does himself no favours. When the market is this depressed you need to step up a gear to make you stand out of a crowd, not just go on saying "but feel the quality". The quality is also the surroundings too! |
Chaz4566

Joined: 31/12/2008 Posts: 32
Message Posted: 22/02/2009 16:31 | Join or Login to Reply | Message 30 of 63 in Discussion |
| just finished playing golf and popped into the high view site opposite to see what the fuss is about. the builder has dumped huge amounts of builders waste right next to the road then made a half baked attempt to smooth it over but it is a total shitty mess. you have to see it to believe it. then went down to the actual site, i could not believe my eyes. right opposite the completed villas is the shittiest shanty camp you have ever seen in your life, there is rubbish and litter strewn everywhere, the workers were revving up a large lorry, dogs barking and the icing on the cake was the workers had build a huge fire with smoke billowing everywhere. on the builders website they say 'a standard that other builders can only aspire to' what it should say 'a standard of shitty mess and rubbish dumping that all decent builders would be ashamed of' we moved to to TRNC because of it's nateral beauty. People like this should feel the full weight of the law and made to clean it up |
Becks

Joined: 17/11/2008 Posts: 130
Message Posted: 22/02/2009 16:39 | Join or Login to Reply | Message 31 of 63 in Discussion |
| insteed of moaning about the rubbish why dont you do something about it . your not disabled are you ? get off your a**es and do something . winging Brits again . |
Chaz4566

Joined: 31/12/2008 Posts: 32
Message Posted: 22/02/2009 16:45 | Join or Login to Reply | Message 32 of 63 in Discussion |
| becks there is probably 5,000 wheel barrows full that i sawdumped by the road. you doing anthing for the next 6 months? and where do you propose we put it more importantly are you going to pay disposal? |
TimothyCadman

Joined: 13/12/2007 Posts: 1040
Message Posted: 22/02/2009 16:51 | Join or Login to Reply | Message 33 of 63 in Discussion |
| Becks, From what I remember it would take more than a man with a wheel barrow to sort that sites mess out, and if Chazz4566 is correct then the site is worse than I remember it. It would take an army of men with heavy earth movers to create peace and tranquility. But also what are the residents meant to do about labourers who live on the site next to them in a per fabricated breeze block building, evict them? It's Eray's responsibility to get them off the site and return the surroundings back to a natural state to make it seem as though the woods grew up around the homes, not that the other way round. |
fatmanpauluk

Joined: 22/02/2009 Posts: 1
Message Posted: 22/02/2009 17:53 | Join or Login to Reply | Message 34 of 63 in Discussion |
| I was one of the people who saw the Golf Course site when it was nearing completion. Eray could not give me straight answers to: 1) When will Electric and Water be on the site. 2) When will there be a tarmac road to link the site to the main road. 3) When will the breeze block buildings and materials be removed and landscaping installed. 3 simple questions. No postive answers. If all three had been answered I would gladly have spent my £200,000 with him and bought from him, but he didn't, so I didn't. I am now glad that I didn't if that beautiful site is still surrounded by so much rubbish. If I was to buy there today I certainly WOULD NOT be paying the prices he was asking 2 years ago. £200,000 then, tops £150,000 today with its outlook. By the way I did buy elsewhere on the island and was asked recently if I wish to sell and was given a price too. It was 50% more than I paid! But I enjoy my home to much to let it go just yet. |
negativenick

Joined: 10/11/2008 Posts: 6023
Message Posted: 22/02/2009 18:26 | Join or Login to Reply | Message 35 of 63 in Discussion |
| just a thought - why not dump all the rubble the builder has dumped outside his own house - like to see the look on his face then.... Nick |
Becks

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Message Posted: 22/02/2009 18:33 | Join or Login to Reply | Message 36 of 63 in Discussion |
| negative when are you gonna start ? do somethin positive for change . |
Lilli


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Message Posted: 22/02/2009 18:39 | Join or Login to Reply | Message 37 of 63 in Discussion |
| yout know i try to be enviornmetal nbut every night i throw water bottles wime beer andcans away. yes the council take them but where. the saddest tip for me is where they throw the dead animals just outside lapta. that would break all of your hearts |
fire starter

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Message Posted: 23/02/2009 06:44 | Join or Login to Reply | Message 38 of 63 in Discussion |
| i'm sorry to say lilli they always send dead animals to the rubbish dump. they haven't got any other means of disposal. |
Quarmby

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Message Posted: 23/02/2009 09:12 | Join or Login to Reply | Message 39 of 63 in Discussion |
| They could bury them. |
deecyprus4

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Message Posted: 23/02/2009 09:20 | Join or Login to Reply | Message 40 of 63 in Discussion |
| Quarmby I agree with you for the first and probably the last time |
PIPIE

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Message Posted: 23/02/2009 10:07 | Join or Login to Reply | Message 41 of 63 in Discussion |
| The most rubbish i have seen in the TRNC is the rubbish some solicitors/advocates /estate agents /developers /maintenance companies have dumped in peoples lives . |
deecyprus4

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Message Posted: 23/02/2009 10:15 | Join or Login to Reply | Message 42 of 63 in Discussion |
| PIPIE I wondered why I had put on a few pounds since coming here |
PIPIE

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Message Posted: 23/02/2009 10:26 | Join or Login to Reply | Message 43 of 63 in Discussion |
| deecyprus4 and a few others no doubt .LOL |
negativenick

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Message Posted: 23/02/2009 10:52 | Join or Login to Reply | Message 44 of 63 in Discussion |
| mess 36 - Becks i thought it was a positive post, exposing the dirty practice of rubbish tipping - you got a problem with this ? Nick |
JimmyG

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Message Posted: 23/02/2009 11:48 | Join or Login to Reply | Message 45 of 63 in Discussion |
| I don't often agree with Hippo but msg 11 is spot on....must be up to 1300+ now and he's still counting!! zzzzzzzzzzzzz |
negativenick

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Message Posted: 23/02/2009 16:58 | Join or Login to Reply | Message 46 of 63 in Discussion |
| Mess 45 - tell you what jimmy, we'll get some rubbish dumped outside your place and see what you say.... Nick |
authentichoccie

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Message Posted: 23/02/2009 17:02 | Join or Login to Reply | Message 47 of 63 in Discussion |
| Moved my 16 year old sons bed yesterday and the rubbish under there was unbeleivable! |
JimmyG

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Message Posted: 23/02/2009 18:47 | Join or Login to Reply | Message 48 of 63 in Discussion |
| NN re Msg 46 - I've had plenty of rubbish at my front door thanks as I've had continual building work going on in front of me at to one side since I purchased in 2003. Thankfully successive builders have had to clear their mess and now it's looking as a residential area should. Never once been on here bleating about it though!!! |
DONTY

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Message Posted: 25/02/2009 19:40 | Join or Login to Reply | Message 49 of 63 in Discussion |
| Bumped into Eray from High View Homes today and asked him about the rubble being dumped. Turns out that the access road to the site is next to a large dip and to avoid the road slipping away in the rainy season he is placing in-fill (which is made out of rubble, earth etc) in the dip to strengthen the road sides. He also informs me that it has now been done and earth filled over the top to leave it looking better. So he was only trying to protect the site after all. I have to say that my knowledge of Eray's work is that it is to a high standard though I haven't been to this particular site. |
BillyB

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Message Posted: 25/02/2009 20:21 | Join or Login to Reply | Message 50 of 63 in Discussion |
| Donty When will he demolish the shanty town that he has created for his workers meters away from this lovely development that is set in a idyllic setting. Friends of ours looked at High View they were impressed with the quality but let down by the lack of finish to the site so assumed the new site would be left in the same state. Can i ask if anyone has got any title deeds yet? |
cocos

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Message Posted: 25/02/2009 21:03 | Join or Login to Reply | Message 51 of 63 in Discussion |
| Dont think anyones got title deeds from Eray yet |
DONTY

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Message Posted: 26/02/2009 00:23 | Join or Login to Reply | Message 52 of 63 in Discussion |
| Only asked about the rubbish as that's all I remembered from this post. If I bump into him ill ask about the workers hut thing and let you know. Are the workers still on site or has it been vacated? |
pilgrim


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Message Posted: 26/02/2009 00:27 | Join or Login to Reply | Message 53 of 63 in Discussion |
| Lions gate, famagusta |
vikingqueen


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Message Posted: 26/02/2009 10:03 | Join or Login to Reply | Message 54 of 63 in Discussion |
| Karakum Beach road! |
Hippo

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Message Posted: 26/02/2009 10:11 | Join or Login to Reply | Message 55 of 63 in Discussion |
| Kavanlar apartments followed by Orange Park followed by Bademli village all in Alsancak |
Aga Buyers A G

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Message Posted: 26/02/2009 12:04 | Join or Login to Reply | Message 56 of 63 in Discussion |
| Outside the Property Information Office.........lol |
craig2536

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Message Posted: 26/02/2009 12:37 | Join or Login to Reply | Message 57 of 63 in Discussion |
| In trying to comply with the trnc eventually joining the EU, the trnc Council of Ministers have just this week past a resolution to establish its first gypsie or romany camp , as per EU guidelines. The owner of Highview homes has graceously offered his camp instead of the government using tax payers hard earned money. The new site is in fact being advertised on http://www.romanyworldtraveller.com. The travellers will love the beachfront location and how close it is to the golf course. Great for coursing and rabbiting. Finding someone to do your roof or lay tarmac drives will be a thing of the past. |
Amber

Joined: 26/09/2008 Posts: 561
Message Posted: 26/02/2009 13:14 | Join or Login to Reply | Message 58 of 63 in Discussion |
| I agree with rtddci - message 8 The picnic site off main road from Girne to Lefkosa. It is terrible. Rubbish all left on the ground and most of the rubbish bins are empty. |
properperson

Joined: 15/03/2007 Posts: 35
Message Posted: 28/02/2009 13:40 | Join or Login to Reply | Message 59 of 63 in Discussion |
| reference message no50 donty, the rubble at the high view homes site entrance opp the golf course has been dumped for the sole reason of disposing of builder's waste. Eray is talking nonesense, nothing to do with any road strenghtening. anyone with half a brain can see that. Eray has saved himself thousands rather than disposing of the rubbish properly. Cannot believe that any purchaser on that site would reccomend high view. how short sighted he is. |
DONTY

Joined: 07/06/2007 Posts: 534
Message Posted: 28/02/2009 16:44 | Join or Login to Reply | Message 60 of 63 in Discussion |
| properperson I havent been to this site so i havent seen it so keep your snide comments to yourself, male chicken. Im not supporting Eray, I have no connection to him or High View Homes. I just saw him around and asked him directly to see what he had to say and posted it here for interested parties to see his response. How do you know for sure this is what he has done? Why would anybody dump crap on their own approach road? Think about it, I know it hurts but try! why not dump it on your competitions road? If he proves that he did it to protect the road will you offer HVH a full apology? Not that i give a toss either way. |
DONTY

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Message Posted: 28/02/2009 17:02 | Join or Login to Reply | Message 61 of 63 in Discussion |
| Why is that when you try to help and give info to people some rude git comes along and slags you off. I dont know why I bother. This site has so many armchair critics its like a British pub.. full of negativity. Sometimes I have to agree with Aussies that we are a nation of whingeing poms who see only darkness... how sad. |
high-view

Joined: 24/02/2009 Posts: 6
Message Posted: 28/02/2009 16:59 | Join or Login to Reply | Message 62 of 63 in Discussion |
| Looking to contact people who have purchased from High View Homes to share experiences, good or bad. This is an owners group and has no connection to either Eray or High View Homes Ltd. E mail in the strictest confidence to: highview-owners@mail2web.com |
high-view

Joined: 24/02/2009 Posts: 6
Message Posted: 09/03/2009 09:20 | Join or Login to Reply | Message 63 of 63 in Discussion |
| still looking for more High View Homes purchasers to e mail us and share their experiences. Particularly interested in owners on Alagadi site to discuss builder illegally dumping rubbish and refusal to knock workers camp down. e mail in the strictest confidence to highview-owners@mail2web.com i would re-itterate that the owners group is nothing to do with Eray or High View Homes. |
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