Turkey holds the key?

deecyprus4


Joined: 27/07/2008
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Message Posted:
23/02/2009 08:54

Does Turkey really hold the strings...this tiny part of cyprus could be recognised in a heartbeat by the USA and UK......

juliet


Joined: 11/01/2009
Posts: 612

Message Posted:
23/02/2009 09:29

only when the mainland turks & it`s troops are out will anyone recognise the island as whole...

deecyprus4


Joined: 27/07/2008
Posts: 3452

Message Posted:
23/02/2009 09:32

Usual rubbish from you juliet, do you think the USA is bothered by the TR soldiers..get real.

mmmmmm



Joined: 19/12/2008
Posts: 8398

Message Posted:
23/02/2009 09:51

Dear Dee, re msg 1



1/ Yes, Turkey ultimately pulls the strings



2/ but only in Cyprus - Militarily - Why HAVEN'T the UK / US recognised "TRNC".. ?!



Perhaps you could explain what point you are trying to make. You seem to be stating what we all really know, then..........

deecyprus4


Joined: 27/07/2008
Posts: 3452

Message Posted:
23/02/2009 10:04

I was playing devil's advocate, just to see what other's thought...pretty obvious really giving the way I think...not too bright this morning eh mmmmmm, maybe too many others things for you to think about

deecyprus4


Joined: 27/07/2008
Posts: 3452

Message Posted:
23/02/2009 10:04

Too many balls to juggle eh

mmmmmm



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Message Posted:
23/02/2009 10:41

Dear Dee re msg 5/6



Ok "Devil's Advocate"... I know you were probably researching your reasoned response to :



"you find me one Mosque in the RoC and I'll apologise" ..



But you seem to have overlooked the question re the UK / US recognition of "TRNC"..



You started the the thread. let's "run with it"... and we'll see who is "bright" and "distracted"

deecyprus4


Joined: 27/07/2008
Posts: 3452

Message Posted:
23/02/2009 10:52

mmmm I am busy at the moment but will get back to you later

pinkchilli


Joined: 30/11/2008
Posts: 689

Message Posted:
23/02/2009 11:48

How about a link to ALL those UN resolutions on Cyprus?



What happens if a country decides to break one of the UN resolutions?



What punishments are the offered?



If Turkey allows, for example, (or actually, in reality) air travel to/from the TRNC, they are in breach of a UN resolution.



It's not the punishment a country gets from breaching a UN resolution that stops them from recognising the TRNC, but the wrath of the GC lobbyists.



If the TRNC did a university course on lobbying, perhaps more, or at least another one country would recongnise us.



http://www.un.int/cyprus/resolut.htm



Interesting reading if you can't sleep.

elko2



Joined: 24/07/2007
Posts: 4400

Message Posted:
23/02/2009 12:44

Re. msg. 4

Mm asked:

"2/ but only in Cyprus - Militarily - Why HAVEN'T the UK / US recognised "TRNC".. ?! "



Mark,

This is my serious answer and it is not meant to be flippant

1. Turkey does not want the recognition of TRNC because it will mean that she will have no say in the south i.e. missiles etc.



2. If UK/US recognize TRNC effectively it will be the end of the Cyprus Problem. This is very dangerous for them. Greek Cypriots will have nothing more to lose and they will agitate to get the "Sovereign" Bases back and the position of UK will be untenable. So UK/US do not really want Cyprus problem to be solved. The Annan Plan which they supported was not workable and could not last for more than a few years. So The Greek Cypriots would be in need of political support and hence the Bases would continue to be safe.



ismet

deecyprus4


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Message Posted:
24/02/2009 07:28

Elko would the TRNC allow the the british bases here.....the reason I posed this question is because I was chatting to a tc friend and he said it was nothing to do with TR as the USA?UK could just recognise TRNC immediately and to be honest it just got me thinking.

fire starter


Joined: 19/06/2008
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Message Posted:
24/02/2009 09:29

my thoughts are that the trnc is being punished for turkeys actions.

deecyprus4


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Posts: 3452

Message Posted:
24/02/2009 09:36

Well I kind of agree fire starter, but if the UK had acted way back there would have been no need for the intervention of Turkey and now the USA and UK need Turkey, plus the truth has outed as to what really happened here in the 60's....all I know is the tc's have been punished for 34 years too long and it is time the UK stood up to be counted..

elko2



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Message Posted:
24/02/2009 11:57

msg. 12

Firestarter,

Can you explain please what you mean?

ismet

mmmmmm



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Message Posted:
24/02/2009 13:15

re msg 10, Elko2





Thanks, again, Elko.. I wonder why when YOU say TR calls the shots you don't get abused and called a GC stooge ;)))))))

mmmmmm



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Message Posted:
24/02/2009 13:21

Dear Dee, re msg 13



If you remember 2002/ 3 TCs were marching in the streets saying - "this country is ours"..



Certain TC contributors here will tell you ( quietly) that the declaration of "independence" was the very thing that condemned them to "isolation"...



The UK didn't intervene in 74 as it wasn't part of the "plan" .. the USA and TR had already agreed on how Cyprus would be carved up..

canyavuz


Joined: 22/02/2009
Posts: 363

Message Posted:
24/02/2009 19:38

Elko...Turkey has nothing against the TRNC's recognition! As long as the Turkish armed forces are stationed there to stop any future Hellenic occupations (Greece).

Turkey will never pull troops out, not even for E.U. They know they will never get into the E.U, but attend talks in order to get foreign investments.....

Turkey gave away too much land to Greece during the Ataturk era.....and they will not make this mistake again. Giving to Greek cypriots is giving to Greece! They all support enosis....ALL OF THEM.



Lets not forget that the Turkish armed force are in NATO, so North Cyprus air bases would be very useful to the U.S one day, which is why they dont really care about the situation or the TRNC's recognition.



MMMMMMMM is correct about Turkey and U.S's agreement on how Cyprus would be carved up......after all, U.S arms were used in the war.....

Macha


Joined: 18/01/2009
Posts: 650

Message Posted:
24/02/2009 19:48

mmmmm: "Thanks, again, Elko.. I wonder why when YOU say TR calls the shots you don't get abused and called a GC stooge ;)))))))"



Good point.