There is no Cyprus problem!

canyavuz


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Message Posted:
25/02/2009 19:28

The problem existed when there were intercommunal clashes in the 60's....and the Greek coup in 1974......now that clashes have come to a halt for over 34 years, and all is fair and close as it ggets to democracy, the problem is over.

The only problem that stands is the property dispute....that is alll

juliet


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Message Posted:
25/02/2009 19:37

and the 120thousand settlers that have been brought over in the last 6yrs....etc

dodger



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Message Posted:
25/02/2009 20:40

Canyavuz,

"the only problem that stands is the property issue" that is so massive a problem its so hard to quantify into degree of difficulties.I must say though i do admire your rampant optimism on this such small issue.Maybe you should have a word with Tal and Chrissy,

Paul.

Woodspeckie


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Message Posted:
25/02/2009 20:57

See http://www.famagust-gazette.com article about properties.

Woodspeckie


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Message Posted:
25/02/2009 20:59

www.Famagusta-gazette.com

frontalman



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Message Posted:
25/02/2009 21:54

Message two, why are they a problem? They only live in the North.

rowlo



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Message Posted:
25/02/2009 21:59

keeping the numbers up msg 2 , makes it harder to ethnicly cleanse??

spider


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Message Posted:
25/02/2009 22:08

i have to say that all problems work themselves out over time,and we all have that..lets all wait till the end of this year,and look on the bright side..pecker up and all that....













spider

canyavuz


Joined: 22/02/2009
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Message Posted:
25/02/2009 23:35

Juliet....

The "settlers" are not a problem to North Cyprus. If it wasn't for these so called "settlers", who would run our hotels? Who would OPEN the hotels? We can't run a country with 100,000 Turkish Cypriots, no where near enough. Factories, airlines......



Those extremely cheap (LEGIT) Northern Cyprus properties were built by nothing but settlers......if it weren't for this large labour force, there would be no TRNC economy.....

rowlo



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Message Posted:
25/02/2009 23:42

theres no problems , only solutions ??

canyavuz


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Message Posted:
25/02/2009 23:43

and yes, the property issue is pretty big.....but can be sorted with compensation.....

...But Greek Cypriots don't just want compensation for their properties, they also want removal of settlers and armed forces. If the property issue is solved, what other excuses will they have to want a solution? None

rowlo



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Message Posted:
25/02/2009 23:52

what about the turkish cypriots then msg 11 ???? turkish army is there to stop the greeks murdering them ???

dodger



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Message Posted:
26/02/2009 00:01

Rowlo,

Take those blinkers off and stop being so insular,

Paul.

rowlo



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Message Posted:
26/02/2009 00:09

ive no blinkers on mate, maybe you ?????????????

Blackpoolfan


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Message Posted:
26/02/2009 00:49

Compensation has to be the best viable option its only fair, yet at times my opinion is swayed when you listen to Private Pike spouting his crap. Or maybe it would be easier if they kick all the foreigners out, take our properties from us that are sat on land that was once used for growing lemons or grazing goats. We will then board the planes in an orderly fashion and not complain and fly off into the sunset back to dear old blighty....... Yeh right!!

Yvonne



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Posts: 273

Message Posted:
26/02/2009 00:58

Clearly there is a problem. Bottom line: TRNC is not recognised internationally. Sportsmen can tell you that from TRNC: they are not allowed to partake in any international games, as they are not recognised.

So yes, there is a problem, even if only from a Sportsman's perspective (and I say only...)

Perhaps the way forward is reunification with the South, or perhaps it is by means of making NC a separate independent state. I honestly don't know.

But to say there isn't a 'problem' is a naive, in my opinion...



And as for property - welll, who can tell. But I do think that it's in the TRNC/NC interest not to 'piss off' too many (international) property owners out there because ultimately, it would cause an economical crisis?

canyavuz


Joined: 22/02/2009
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Message Posted:
26/02/2009 01:29

message 12 (rowlo),

i think you misunderstood my post. The only problem on the island is the property issue. If this is sorted, the EU will lose interest in the so called "cyprus problem", so no body will support them in the withdrawl of the Turkish troops.

They are trying to think tactical, but this isnt a game of Blackjack.

They are very unfair people. They create problems out of nothing.



Turkish troops will always remain to protect the 37% Turkish populated island, rightfully. Their view is to remove them as a whole, but how would this be fair? They want to take us back 34 years, and shove us into enclaves.



There will never be a united cyprus because the two communities do not get along, and Greece will always get in the way, as they did in 1974 with the Turks, and 1960's with the Brits.

mmmmmm



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Message Posted:
26/02/2009 03:13

Dear Canyavuz, re msg 17



"The only problem on the island is the property issue. If this is sorted, the EU will lose interest in the so called "cyprus problem", so no body will support them in the withdrawl of the Turkish troops. "



It's a Human Rights issue .. your ""peace" for 34 yrs" was as a result of a "final soln" ethnic cleansing policy of "run away or else"!!



"They are very unfair people. They create problems out of nothing. "



Who are "they?"



"Turkish troops will always remain to protect the 37% Turkish populated island, rightfully."



Well, TC probably made up 18% of the "mix", and now even less, as they are even out numbered by mainland Turks - which most will quietly tell you they RESENT! .. If you don't think the daft GCs who *thought* they could ignore TR's military might haven't "learnt their lesson".... Weren't TCs happy to allow only 960 to remain ? It is not like it would take long for 'em to fly back..

mmmmmm



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Message Posted:
26/02/2009 03:25

Dear Canyavuz, re msg 17 (cont)



"They want to take us back 34 years, and shove us into enclaves."



NEWSFLASH .. RoC is now a cosmopolitan EU nation with a HUGE proportion of foreigners - the concept of military action by a tiny EU state against an ethnic minority is is LAUGHABLE ..



"Greece will always get in the way"



and how do you explain:

1/ Greece wants TR in the EU

2/ Greece wanted GCs to vote YES to Annan ?



"There will never be a united cyprus because the two communities do not get along"



and how do you explain Pile/ Pyla? I don't see a problem needing a huge police presence... ;)



Sorry..You are stuck in a time warp..

fire starter


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Message Posted:
26/02/2009 07:34

can

do you rearly think thats all turkish mainlanders are good for running and working in your hotels and factories?

you must be a cypriot with a goverment job,lol.

Jovial_John


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Message Posted:
26/02/2009 09:55

Ok mmm



If "- the concept of military action by a tiny EU state against an ethnic minority is is LAUGHABLE .."



.... why has ROC just bought 42 main battle tanks from Russia to add to the 42 they bought in 2005. There is no military strategist in the world who would suggest that a tank is a defensive weapon.



And the head of their military, who was appointed in 2007, stated in his inauguration speech that he dreamed of the day when his tanks would roll across the plains to retake the Turkish sector.

canyavuz


Joined: 22/02/2009
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Message Posted:
26/02/2009 17:14

Message 19 - mmmmmmm

Greece never has said yes to Turkey's E.U accession. The famous Kardak incident proves it all. They demand for an islet 2 nauctial miles off of the coast of Turkey, which isnt even big enough for inhabitants.

Where did you hear about Greece accepting Turkey's E.U accession bid? There is a casus Belli right this moment.....(look it up on google if you don't know the meaning)......Nor has Greece disarmed the islands which Turkey ceeded to them, which is a violation of the treaty of Lausanne.

Looks like somebody hasn't done their homework..............

mmmmmm



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Message Posted:
26/02/2009 17:21

Dear JJ re msg 21





".... why has ROC just bought 42 main battle tanks from Russia to add to the 42 they bought in 2005. There is no military strategist in the world who would suggest that a tank is a defensive weapon. "



1/ Christ knows - as any military strategist will tell you that without strategic air cover tanks are sitting ducks for attack helicopters .. the money should go to better hospitals



"And the head of their military, who was appointed in 2007, stated in his inauguration speech that he dreamed of the day when his tanks would roll across the plains to retake the Turkish sector."



..and dream is all he ever would do...















And the head of their military, who was appointed in 2007, stated in his inauguration speech that he dreamed of the day when his tanks would roll across the plains to retake the Turkish sector.

mmmmmm



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Message Posted:
26/02/2009 17:31

oops re msg 23 - Sorry about the last paragraph at the bottom



re msg 22



Message 19 - mmmmmmm





Looks like somebody hasn't done their homework.............. "



) we are totally in agreement re your last sentence..



Now let's deal with who it actually applies to, eh?



Cyprus:



1/ I note you didn't / couldn't answer my Q re Pile / Pyla.. seems you must agree GCs / TCs CAN live side by side...



2/ Your %ages re population of the Island - "37% populated" ...may be you meant 37% by lass mass, but can't admit it... ?!



OK to Greece:



1/ is it not a fact that the Greek PM and TR PM has formed a close personal relationship? Invites to offspring's weddings, etc?



2/ is it not a fact that TR has 20, 30, 40 K troops on Cyprus despite MANY UN resolutions to the contrary.. of course this applies to Greece, too.



3/ Is it not a fact that GR has promoted TR's accession to the EU.. merely asking it to adopt the Ankara Protocol



4/ Is it not a fact that until last yea

mmmmmm



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Message Posted:
26/02/2009 17:39

(Cont)trade between GR and TR was increasing in doubled digits - %age wise, sometimes doubling?



Hardly the scenario of two nations ready to war with each other..



5/ Tourism. Greeks now make up a SIZEABLE %age of visitors to Istanbul.. take a trip to Ayios Sophia and listen to the languages..



Like I said before.. one of us in in a time warp and REALLY needs to come into the 21st C..



Do you remember the incident when the two war planes got involved in a dog fight.. do you remember how quickly and quietly it was "settled"..



RELATIONSHIPS.. they are more advanced and better than you seem to appreciate..

canyavuz


Joined: 22/02/2009
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Message Posted:
26/02/2009 21:24

message 19 (mmmmmmmm)

Turks have 37% of the island in area, and ccomprise of 33% of the entire population.......what is there not to admit?

Pile is one tiny village out of hundreds of others. Guzelyurt has a large number of Tc'S that migrated from the south. They went through the war, so are COMPLETELEY AGAINST a united Cyprus and living with GC's.

You are talking about those who have not seen the heavy battles that took place in the 60's and 1974.

Ifc Turkish Cypriots and Greek Cypriots can't live together and be friends in the UK, how will they be friends in Cyprus? Living together? IMPOSSIBLE!



Turkey and Greece are like India and Pakistan. You're being waaaay to optimistic.

There are disputed territories, disputed waters, disputed air space, the so called "Cyprus Problem", etc.

Greece cuts off a villages mobile communications just so the Turks of that village dont vote for Turkey in the Eurovision song contest (by phone).

RE: THE MOCK DOG FIGHT WITH THE JETS

canyavuz


Joined: 22/02/2009
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Message Posted:
26/02/2009 21:38

This was not quickly settled. The Turkish media was on about it for 2 WEEKS! And this is what prompted Greece's air space complaint. Made things worse actually....



And RE: TALAT AND THE GREEK CYPRIOT PRESIDENT.

They're presidents. You dont seriously expect them to be at each other's throats. They're trying to show the people of Cyprus that the two communities can get along.......but they're not being realistic.

Just because the presidents get along, it doesnt mean the people can.



Greece is a financial supporter of the terrorist organization, PKK. The leader of the PKK was found carrying a Greek Cypriot passport, which lead to Greek MPs (in Greece), to resign. How can Turkey get along with a nation trying to split them, and weaken their armed forces? Turkey is aware of Greece and the PKK involement. This man isnt allowed to enter the ROC, let alone become a citizen!

Whats your magic answer to this

Do you know of how many Turkish spys there are in Greece, and Greek spys in T

canyavuz


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Message Posted:
26/02/2009 21:55

and Greek spys in Turkey

spider


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Message Posted:
26/02/2009 22:05

Another war of words....................................................

















Thats what ita always about....a few people with words..then war.giveover.

mmmmmm



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Message Posted:
28/03/2009 19:27

Spider, re msg 29



"give over".. Thank you for that weighty contribution.. Sadly, your wish can't and won't be granted while the like of Canyavuz would have us believe their is "no problem" in CY.



Canyavuz



1/ The PKK aren't supported by modern Greece - any more than Ireland supports the "real" IRA or the RoC promotes Enosis.. THAT is just stirring the pot. SAD



2/ "Pile is one tiny village out of hundreds of others." - as you know there are other places in CY were the communities live in peace - and not even in UN areas - so WHAT was that about not living together?! ;) .. No-one is seriously suggesting a forced mass population re-distribution ... The idea being a TR and CY in the EU would ultimately co-exist.. a bit like Germany and France ?



3/ "Just because the presidents get along, it doesnt mean the people can. "



Oh Dear, you are going to have to step down re this "line of argument", too, as the Greek and Turkish businessmen forge stronger links..



Time warp

Blackpoolfan


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Message Posted:
28/03/2009 21:26

Cylad,

Not sure what you have based your opinion on, But just to put you in the picture i live in Blackpool in a big house near the sea haven't bought on exchange land and i am not swayed by pikeys comments at all as we are all entitled to opinions. I also note you are a Nedia consultant so i suggest you go away and learn how to spell before posting any more stupid remarks that have no fact or substance Pond Life...........

Hector


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Message Posted:
28/03/2009 21:39

That's the spirit! This discussion will solve the issue without a doubt. Keep up with the goodwill to all men. Religion next anyone?

Blackpoolfan


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Message Posted:
28/03/2009 23:20

Cylad

My sides are splitting with you humour NOT!!! Grow up or you will never make corporal at this rate..............

canyavuz


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Message Posted:
29/03/2009 02:35

cylad,

it's up to you to decide on whether to believe it or not, but this is a fact.

If you don't believe a proven fact, then what do you believe?

canyavuz


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Message Posted:
29/03/2009 18:58

Parliomentoxo,

sorry to ruin your moment, but your message is a load of rubbish.



1.Insulting Turkishness does not carry the death sentence...so you were wrong there



2. Kurds ARE allowed to speak Kurdish in public (just not in public insitutions such as the parliment)......again, you were wrong!



3. Kurds in Turkey have the right to vote, education, healthcare, Kurdish tv channel and many more.....the current leading party has made major improvements...........so you were wrong there aswell



4. Turks dont need to push for islam to be bought in schools in Germany, because it already is taught. It's part of the R.E cirriculum of Germany already, as is Christianity, buddism, sikhism, hinduism etc..............



5. What has banning youtube got to do with Kurdish rights?





and, sorry to burst your bubble, but things aren't as simple as you think.

The last time cyprus was one island, and one state........a war broke out.........so it's not that simple......

canyavuz


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Message Posted:
29/03/2009 19:00

cyprus has 3 guarantors, and these guarantors will always be involved with Cyprus.

It's not just about Cypriots on their own.....



are you a greek cypriot? because you sure sound like one!

juliet


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Posts: 612

Message Posted:
29/03/2009 19:05

msg 43



how old are you 24? you have a lot to learn about cyprus... if it`s the turkish life style you want why are you in cyprus & not turkey, you do no favours for the tcs in the north.

canyavuz


Joined: 22/02/2009
Posts: 363

Message Posted:
29/03/2009 20:00

juliet,



I am a tc.......what do you mean by i do no favours for the tc? I am half tc, half turkish (mainland), but born in uk.

I have done my military service, and contribute to the TRNC just like everybody else.

Do you contribute to tc's? are you a tc politician? do you really know what the tc's want? because with me being one, and having a very big tc family on the island, i think i would know a little bit more than you about what tc's want...



I think realistically, so therefore no, i dont need to learn more about cyprus.

Juliet, there is more than what meets the eye. The cyprus problem is a VERY diverse one. Its not as simple as "greek undertook a coup and Turkey intervened".

We need to start thinking "why the coup was undertaken", and what happened during the coup.

What actually lead to the collapse of the government.

canyavuz


Joined: 22/02/2009
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Message Posted:
29/03/2009 20:10

parliomentoxo



the war that the Turkish started? are you saying that greeks were innocent?

There are always two different sides to evey story.......

Saying that it was simply a "turkish started war" makes you sound incredibly biased and silly. do your research, then we can continue the topic.



There are two different cypriots. Turkish and greek. This is my opinion of course, and i respect your views if you believe that there is only "one cypriot".

And yes

I disagree with your opinion that greece, turkey and the uk need to remove their guarantor status.

5,000 turkish cypriot soldiers is incredibly small compared to 60,000 greek cypriot troops, so if the guarantors were to be stripped of their status on the island, there will be a big unbalance of troops, which can eventually promote gc movement to regain control of the north (my opinion).



The UK's guarantor power is a little pointless to me.......they should be removed along with their bases.

spider


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Message Posted:
29/03/2009 23:21

war is war,whats lost had gone.time has gone..yesterday has gone.....

we donot have tomorow yet...and we sure as hell have no idea what may happen tomorow...

all we can so is change...change ouselves...become better.more loving of other and life itself..









Spider,x

ataturk


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Message Posted:
29/03/2009 23:49

Yvonne just to let you know that the TRNC Taekwondo association have just won 6 gold medals three silver medals and three bronze medals representing The Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus. They were in a competition in Moldova.

mmmmmm



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Message Posted:
30/03/2009 00:27

Dear Ataturk re msg 46



were the medals won in a part of Moldovia known by very few ( Well Russia, really ) as an "independent country".. ring any bells ;)

canyavuz


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Posts: 363

Message Posted:
30/03/2009 00:34

cylad,

I was born in the UK, i have more than just rights to live there.



Are you saying that you cant speak your mind in n.cyprus? Freedom of religion is there, and as long as you don't insult anybody, your fine.

Turkey is not a communist state......neither is the TRNC.



Turkish occupied cyprus? you sound like a greek cypriot? it has been 35 years for crying out loud....get over yourself.

This occupied place has a government, economy, nationality.....hardly something to be called an occupation!

spider


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Message Posted:
30/03/2009 00:47

hi MMMMMMMMMMMMMM...and did not Russia,have Lithuania.has independance no tooo,bit to late for my Farther who had a wife and daughter wo gould not get OUT.....still.....thats war...and whats lost after war is LOST..

lost i belive is......to have no more...gone because of yesterdays long long passed..



and yey on the forum its constant talk of the south devide....tiss lost...and is now what it is devided...excepance...of it all,should be the subject on this forum instead of thalks amongst yourseves about what has been..and what you want to happen..we cant make anything happen..or can YOU.!! Spider,xx.

ataturk


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Message Posted:
02/05/2009 00:32

Just an update they are now going to Poland for a competition at the end of next month. Poland is an EU country I am sure you dont have a problem with that.



I dont think that these people should be discriminated against because their country is not recognised.

dodger



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Message Posted:
02/05/2009 00:55

ataturk,

Please expand.

mmmmmm



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Message Posted:
02/05/2009 01:18

Spider, re msg 44



It is good you mention Lithuania .. The Soviets "conquered" it and "planted " Russians to alter the population balance...





Sound familiar ?

ataturk


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Message Posted:
02/05/2009 16:46

The TRNC Taekwondo association on regular basis go around the world and enter into competitions. If you go on you tube you will see many videos of them from around the world. They have also been to the UK for competitions as well.