Talat to stand down if no 2009 solution found

LondonCypriot


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Message Posted:
09/03/2009 03:38

TURKISH Cypriot leader Mehmet Ali Talat will not run for ‘president’ next year if there is no solution to the Cyprus problem by the end of 2009, he said in an interview published in Turkey yesterday.



In the interview with Sabah newspaper, Talat, who was on a visit to Istanbul, said he was unhappy with the pace of the Cyprus negotiations.



"If there's no hope for a resolution by (year-end), I will have completed my mission,” he said signalling that he would be done with his presidential ambitions when elections take place in April 2010.



“We have to solve the Cyprus problem by the end of 2009 to go to the referendum, and hold elections for a unified state before the start of the Turkish Cypriot presidential elections,” Talat said.



His spokesman, Hasan Ercakica told the Sunday Mail yesterday it was not a question of whether or not Turkish Cypriots continued to want a solution but whether or not the current process could be successful.



“If the process breaks down, President T

elko2



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Message Posted:
09/03/2009 09:52

I think he is sending a clear message to the GCs that unless they strike a bragain with him, he will go and the person to replace him is less likely to make a deal with them. So in effect what he is saying is "Now or Never" and he is not far off the point.

ismet

TRNCVaughan


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Message Posted:
09/03/2009 09:59

The GC Sunday Mail commented on this and concluded similarly. However, they felt time-scale pressure like this would not be well received.

erolz


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Message Posted:
09/03/2009 10:12

It seems to me this is not really a matter of 'choice' on the part of Talat. The 'madate' CTP and Talat currently has as president has a time limit on it, if recent polls are to be believed. In 2009 CTP are likely to loose power and not soon after that Talat with them if he does not step down before. Talking of stepping down is not so much an act of trying to place time pressure on the RoC but more a reflection of Talat's own limited time as far I see it. I think he is just trying to get the RoC to relaise that HIS time is limited and reaching agreement with him as president is more viable than likely alternatives.

Reproman


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Message Posted:
09/03/2009 10:14

Time Scale pressure?

Come on...we have to draw a line somewhere

These last round of 'talks' have been going on for the past year, and we are no closer today, than we were back in 2004.



How much longer can we, TRNC, carry on under these unjustified sanctions whilst we wait for the Greeks to get their head round the fact Turkisk Cypriots are equal citizens in Cyprus.



I say give them a deadline...and lets MOVE FORWARD.



Enough is ENOUGH



Repro.

deecyprus4


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Message Posted:
09/03/2009 10:58

I agree Repro, enough is enough, what right do the damned gc's have to continually call all the shots...

deecyprus4


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Message Posted:
09/03/2009 11:10

Ok the word 'may' is used but it sounds like a defo to me..

erolz


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Message Posted:
09/03/2009 11:56

He may or may not stand again but it seems pretty clear to me that if he fails to produce any results re a settlement before relection his chances of relection remain very slim along with those of CTP.

sylvie


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Message Posted:
09/03/2009 12:01

AS long as GC consider the TC as palestiniens they will not be solution !

andre 514


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Message Posted:
09/03/2009 12:10

once again elko is doing his "king's new suit of clothes" thing

but of course he is simply telling it like it is:

rather than waffling on about any "compensation" packages yet to appear



the onus is now entirely on cyprus-nicosia to decide on any concessions,

if they want to do this I am sure the north will more than meet them half way



if they don't, and as a non-cypriot who am I to question their wisdom,

mr talat will most likely do the decent thing and go down with the ship

very sad because he is a very likeable chap



but even as I type this I sense the three musketeers waiting in the wings

to put us all to rights...

fire starter


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Message Posted:
09/03/2009 17:06

i would like mr t to stay as i do think that if someone else takes his place they would not be so willing to move forward.

the trouble is i think the tc's have had enough of him, and feel he is going to sell them out.

why ? i think its all the leaked press reports and idol gossip as nothing has been decide yet so how can they judge?

i recon he needs to get a move on, one way or the other.

erolz


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Message Posted:
09/03/2009 17:33

Fire Starter I do not think that TCs feel Talat will sell them out, though of course I speak for no one but myself. My feeling is that TCs voted him and his party into power primarily on a mandate of reaching a settlement post the mass dispaointment of the Annan Plan. Now 5 years or so after that they see little progress re a settlement and no real difference from preivous regiems re internal policies. It is his 'failure to deliver' that is leaching away his support in my opinion not fear he will sell TC out.

fire starter


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Message Posted:
09/03/2009 17:56

erloz

i live in a tc village and you should here what they call him!

andre 514


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Message Posted:
10/03/2009 16:12

fire starter,



talat cannot sell anyone out even if he wanted to:



with annan dead and buried except for some obscure reason on this forum,

there has never been the faintest whisper of compromise

coming from his negociating partners, the republic of (south) cyprus



that is entirely up to them, their bare minimum for any cyprus settlement

includes a single cyprus under majority control, foreign troops off the island and turkish immigrants expected to leave the homes they occupy forthwith:

I have yet to be convinced by anyone that the leopard will change its spots



in all fairness to the gc's,

and their two or three sympathizers on this board should take note please,

it is for them not anyone else to decide what "if anything" they would concede



otherwise this week's episode of the long-running cyprus saga,

seems to me artificially enwrapped in a phoney air of mystery and imagination

that it hardly warrants, when you look at the power-play and posturing involved

fire starter


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Message Posted:
10/03/2009 16:36

andre

i totally agree but when i speak to my tc friends thats what they say.

even when and if a deal is done it will still have to go to a vote, so both sides need to be reasonably happy with the deal and possible outcome.

the trouble is i don't think they know what to do for the best.

they want the turkish gone but still rely on the turkish for money and protection.

maybe its just a fear of the unknow?

niether side is going to be able to get the 100% of what they want but do need to find a compromise, so it is going to be down to how much of one they are prepared to take.

my feelings are that mr t is the best man for the job.

erolz


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Message Posted:
10/03/2009 16:50

Interesting related acticle here



http://www.cyprus-mail.com/news/main.php?id=44496&cat_id=1



"Under the circumstances, it is difficult to view Talat’s remark as ‘blackmail’. A more realistic interpretation is that the Cyprus problem would have reached the end of the road by the end of the year. Talat is more than likely to lose next year’s ‘presidential’ elections if he stands and his successor will most likely be from the ‘two-state’ camp."

mmmmmm



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Message Posted:
10/03/2009 19:07

re msg 2 Ismet !



Judging from one of your last posts - it doesn't matter WHO is elected "President" .. Turkey will "instruct" the "leader" what the policy re a Cyprus Settlement will be - even if they outwardly "appear" to be from a "no solution/ status quo " party...



;)



I agree the message is CLEAR - but the GCs may well STILL feel that they have international law on their side.. unless the ECHR rule that IPCs are THE only recourse the property resolution.

juliet


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Message Posted:
10/03/2009 20:43

maybe only the refugees from both sides should be the only ones allowed to vote including there offspring. Some gcs & tcs here, uk germany etc have to much to lose if there is reunification. i bet the outcome would suprise a lot of people on here as the real refugees from both sides do want to reunifi.

andre 514


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Message Posted:
10/03/2009 23:12

the gc's have the lion's share of international law on their side*

and will never accept turkey had valid reasons to invade their island:

I am sure juliet and her in-laws don't, why should they?



gc's are entitled to hold fast to this point of view

and who would presume to label this attitude either "right" or "wrong" whatever that really means, when two tribes have gone to war?



only problem is their very courage and steely determination

makes it "rather unlikely" to say the very least that any of the myriad

"agreed settlement scenarios" (compromise agreements protecting both communities) endlessly chewed over by the many interested and caring members of "44"... will ever really happen



I'd even go much of the way with m&ms that turkey is to some significant extent "calling the shots" in cyprus since it is both guarantor and occupier



*not sure if the isolations and blockade of the trnc are themselves

in accord with international law and human rights, anyone know?

mmmmmm



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Message Posted:
11/03/2009 09:06

Dear Andre_514



"not sure if the isolations and blockade of the trnc are themselves



in accord with international law and human rights, anyone know?"



You could always ask the UN to repeal their Security Council Resolution..I'm sure you realise the Resolution was ABOUT Human Rights and lawful States ;)

andre 514


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Message Posted:
11/03/2009 09:44

msg 21 m&ms,



you are kicking against an open door



the least-informed outlander knows the creation of the trnc

was ruled invalid by the un security council in the 1980's

and north cyprus is thoroughly in the doghouse

as far as international pronouncements are concerned



eveyone is also aware of the talks continuing between

the roc and the unrecognised trnc



we know there were many deeds carried out by one side or other

that would benefit from an investigation even at this late hour



perhaps you already agree that the fair and effective way to do this

would be in the context of a peacefully united cyprus:

one that protects the community rights of all citizens meanwhile



the fact that mr talat is prepared to throw in the towel suggests the talks

werern't going anywhere despite all the speculation on this forum



now talat, the fate of the talks and turkey's continued support are decided,

are we not entitled to ask where gc sympathizers like m&m's are headed?

mmmmmm



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Message Posted:
11/03/2009 13:33

Dear Andre_514



re msg 22



First "we" need to ask why the Andre_514's of this world persist - despite many examples - in labelling "M&M's" as a GC sympathiser ;)



It is hard to talk of rights until the thorny issue of disenfranchised property rights is redressed.

andre 514


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Message Posted:
12/03/2009 15:32

what are the andre 514's of this world?