Gerrard - charges re assulat dropped

mmmmmm



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Message Posted:
20/03/2009 13:07

- but still faces lessor one of affray



Just heard it on BBC News at 10.00 GMT 20/0309

ROBnJO


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Message Posted:
20/03/2009 13:17

m&m's what have you been on?



The Guinness or Vodka?



'assulat' & 'lessor',... ??







and you're in IT??





Rob

teatime


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Message Posted:
20/03/2009 14:00

MMMMM

Not necessarily lesser!

Assault carries max 5 years

Affray carries max 7 years

mmmmmm



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Message Posted:
20/03/2009 14:05

))



Dear RobnJo re msg 2



I may be "in IT" but I am FORCING myself to touch type.. :(



The sooner there's an edit post feature ... !

mmmmmm



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Message Posted:
20/03/2009 14:18

Dear Teatime re msg 3



Can you show me your source for the "sentencing tarrif" you suggest, pleaee



My info is that ABH - could mean UP TO five years if the case went to Crown Court - i.e Jury Trial ( 7 if racial motivation) ..



Can't see Affray being listed as more "serious" re length of sentence...but *could* be the same tariff, but more often less.



Seems that I was wrong to call the charge lessor !

teatime


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Message Posted:
20/03/2009 17:55

mmmmmmm

OK, we were both partly right on this one, it's 7 years for 'Ringleader' in affray.

But, apparently, talking to someone used to these things, affray is far easier to prove in court. Perhaps that's why the judiciary have gone for that offence.

http://www.sentencing-guidelines.gov.uk/docs/compendium_g.pdf

Cheers

Teatime

kavenkoy


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Message Posted:
20/03/2009 18:00

been paid off anyway ,was never going to get charged and convicted



kav

mmmmmm



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Message Posted:
20/03/2009 19:58

Hi Teatime, re msg 6



Having been on the receiving end of an ABH and Common Assault charge 5 years ago, I put myself in situation where I had to defend myself amongst "hostile" witnesses .. I ( sadly ) know how the CPS ( Crown Prosecution Services) work... they play a percentage game... I can WELL imagine they would take the "easiest" route to get a Conviction - it is AMAZING how you really FEEL guilty until one proves one is innocent ....



I was stood in the dock when the CPS Prosecutor told his assistant - 1m from me, that it was an "open and shut " case ...





24 hours later - having dispensed with my USELESS defence Barrister - he [Prosecutor] didn't seem to want to look in my direction when I was found Not guilty ( unanimously) on BOTH charges and awarded costs, etc.,



I remember being offered to Kop a plea - accept the Common Assault charge and the CPS would "drop" the ABH...



I used to have a great deal of faith in the UK Judiciary, but the CPS seem to pay pean

mmmmmm



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Message Posted:
20/03/2009 20:00

cont



but the CPS seem to pay peanuts.. I can see why an innocent man, might end up in clink and a RICH guilty one , walk free :(

clayton


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Message Posted:
21/03/2009 11:48

dont want him to be put down liverpool would have more excuses.if it was you or me mate we,d be doing bird now make no mistake about it. cash is king

teatime


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Message Posted:
21/03/2009 22:52

mmmmm

Sorry to hear of your experience, but glad the right decision prevailed in the end.

As for Gerrard, I personally find it hard to believe that he would have done anything malicious. I do worry that the people who shout that he should be put down etc. are Man U supporters. As a neutral, I just hope that the correct verdict is reached, as in your case.