Somebody's interview with euronews this morning!

juliet


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Message Posted:
31/03/2009 08:02

WHAT a BIG hypocrite!!! when asked about joining the EU & the Cyprus problem regarding the settlers he had the audacity to say there are NO settlers from Anatolia on the north of Cyprus... he was also asked about the turkish troops removel.. well at least he admitted there are over 40.0000 of them.



The kurds he said have no problems being in Turkey & are respected.. yeah right...



And the audacity to say Turkey follow the UNs rulings turkey do not beleive in the occupation of any country...yeah right!

deecyprus4


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Message Posted:
31/03/2009 08:19

Morning Jules trust you slept well...

aweverard


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Message Posted:
31/03/2009 08:30

Yes, and it is a joke that the Ministry of Information or the RoC fails to mention the deployment of UN peacekeepers in 1964 - in fact it only talks about the 1974 intervention. So are we believe that pre-'74 it was all brotherly love etc with the TC's being 18% of the population and not having to live on only 3% of the land? that the 1619 missing persons are GCs only? or that there was no Tashkent massacre?



http://www.moi.gov.cy/moi/pio/pio.nsf/a_problem_en/a_problem_en?OpenDocument



Why is it then that I have a copy of the Cyprus Main dated Sept. '69 with a small article about the new RoC ambassador presenting credentials to the USSR FM and a statement by the FM about abiding by UN resolutions regarding the Cyprus Problem?

aweverard


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Message Posted:
31/03/2009 08:39

Why is it then that I have a copy of the Cyprus Mail dated Sept. '69 with a small article about the new RoC ambassador presenting credentials to the USSR FM and a statement by the FM about abiding by UN resolutions regarding the Cyprus Problem?



Should read Cyprus Mail not Main.

Fred8


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Message Posted:
31/03/2009 09:04

of course there are no settlers. All turks from the mailand are legal immigrants like ain any country and some have of course through marriage, long residence, etc obtained settled.

mmmmmm



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Message Posted:
31/03/2009 09:06

Hi there aweverard !



"interesting" that you don't comment on "Juliet's" post - but tell us of a 40 year old "stroke" by the RoC !!



I haven't seen the interview yet.. but if what "Juliet" has posted is true ....



I seem to remember "Liealtopoulos" tried a similar denial technique and rightly got pilloried and was largely totally untrusted by foreign diplomats, thereafter.



REALLY hope this is some sort of misunderstanding../ poor translation.

juliet


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Message Posted:
31/03/2009 09:21

mmmmmm



was the poor translation aimed at me ? really hope you find the interview mmmmm then you can translate it better than me....

mmmmmm



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Message Posted:
31/03/2009 09:40

Dear "Juliet", re msg 7



not unless you translated Mr Erdogan's interview !

juliet


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Message Posted:
31/03/2009 09:47

Hope you manage to find it mark, it really is very hypocritical in every sense..

ianwfs


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Message Posted:
31/03/2009 09:55

Euro news tend to frequently repeat their articles. Perhaps somebody could look out for it with the English translation turned on.



Ian

AlsancakJack



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Message Posted:
31/03/2009 10:09

Juliet

Was it Erdogan or was it Abdulla Gul that gave the interview?

http://www.euronews.net/2009/03/30/abdullah-gul-we-will-fight-pkk-to-the-death/

ianwfs


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Message Posted:
31/03/2009 10:13

Just watched an interview wuth Abdulla Gul (are there 2 interviews, or has Juliet got confused with names?)

The thrust of the interview was about Turkey joining the EU. One of the difficulties mentioned was "the Cyprus question"

He pointed out that the Annan plan had been supported by the UN, the EU and TC, and it was only the "No" vote by the GCs that prevented its operation.

The figure of 40,000 troops was used by the interviewer, but not disputed by Gul. He pointed out that had Annan gone through, virtually all troops would have gone by now.

He did say there was no immigration from Anatolia towards Cyprus. However in the context of the question that had been asked, he was talking in the present tense.

I'll keep Euronews on in the background while I'm at home, jus in case there is an interview with Erdogan



Ian

mmmmmm



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Message Posted:
31/03/2009 10:13

re msg 1 / 9 Juliet



Oh Dear.."Juliet".. The interview I can find is with *Mr Gul* - the ex FM - the PRESIDENT..



http://www.euronews.net/2009/03/30/abdullah-gul-we-will-fight-pkk-to-the-death/



The part re CY is in the last third of the interview.



He CORRECTLY points out that there wouldn't BE 40K troops on the island if the GCs had voted YES to Annan, but he DOES say there isn't immigration from Anatolia to Cyprus.. may be right NOW there isn't...



"Juliet" - I reckon the flow of "settlers" was slowed and many are sent back - so he was technically not fibbing by talking in the PRESENT.. He is a Politician ! ;)



He was being "foxy".. as he was when discussing TR's relations with Hamas - if you read the WHOLE interview you'll hear him complain about Israel not complying with UN resolutions.. NOW -if I'd been the interviewer I'd have come back at him about respecting resolutions during the CY part of the interview..;)

mmmmmm



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Message Posted:
31/03/2009 10:15

Whoops - it seems AJ, and Ian write faster than me ))

ianwfs


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Message Posted:
31/03/2009 10:16

AJ/Mark



That's the interview I've just watched.



Ian

mmmmmm



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Message Posted:
31/03/2009 10:19

BTW "Juliet" you may well get some flak for getting the character wrong - which of course you'll readily "fess up " to - UNLIKE some other "howlers" by other contributors..

juliet


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Message Posted:
31/03/2009 10:21

ooops sorry guys it was Gul.... still a hypocrite though...

TRNCVaughan


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Message Posted:
31/03/2009 10:25

Juliet,



Do you know a politician who isn't?

jay76


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Message Posted:
31/03/2009 11:17

juliet



Egg for breky as well.



Come on time to turn it in.

Rogerdodger


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Message Posted:
31/03/2009 11:20

MMMMMMMM, you can be very demeening at times, people make mistakes, I seems that we cannot all be perfect, as you, give it a rest!



RD

jay76


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Message Posted:
31/03/2009 11:21

juliet



Ah dont tell me i know you gone to check the dinner.

mmmmmm



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Message Posted:
31/03/2009 11:37

Dear RD, re msg 21



"you can be very demeening at times, people make mistakes"



YES, *I* make mistakes, too, and when it is pointed out - I apologise and try to learn from it !



Thanks, for the "heads up" ;)

mmmmmm



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Message Posted:
31/03/2009 11:42

re msg 23



Could you point out who/ how I was "demeaning" to in this thread.. I'm trying to take on board what you said...

Magbs


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Message Posted:
31/03/2009 12:03

Mark, msg 13



Oh yeah "foxy"...the foxy thing is HIS complaint about the killings in Gaza. He may not know the number of militants out of the total death toll but he must know something about Kurdish people casualties. He'll find this comparison...hmmm, inconvinient.

deecyprus4


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Message Posted:
31/03/2009 12:03

Message deleted. AJ!

dozza67


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Message Posted:
31/03/2009 12:14

The insults to people on this board only goes to prove that some of you have been educated to a low standard and cannot take criticism. There are right and wrong and some people DO learn from their mistakes but - I'm afraid some DO NOT and just resort to insults. Grow up.





PATHETIC

Sorry because the offending message was deleted I have had to delete your cut and paste of the same.

AJ

jay76


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Message Posted:
31/03/2009 12:22

dozza67



It works both ways, sometimes it does not hurt to give a bit of banter back, thought you should know that being a united fan.

deecyprus4


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Message Posted:
31/03/2009 12:25

Dozza when I need your input I will let you know, if you don't like what I have the said, the solution is simple...don't read it !!!!

dozza67


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Message Posted:
31/03/2009 13:38

OK Deecyprus4, whenever I see anything you have written on the board, I will not read further. Thanks for the advice.

aweverard


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Message Posted:
31/03/2009 15:37

MM



My point being that what is sauce for goose... The RoC PIO glosses over (fails to mention) the trauma suffered by the TCs 63-74 and only focuses on the trauma suffered by the GCs in 74. It would be like the UK govt not talking about Cromwell and Ireland or the Highland clearances as a part of UK history.



DT



The 3% is a number I have seen on many of the Cyprus forums when talking about 63-74, I am sure that someone on the Cyprus Forum would have the info to hand.

juliet


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Message Posted:
31/03/2009 20:55

This interview is causing ruptions here, didnt go down to well with international people in high places ie, the EU......

Tiggy


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Message Posted:
31/03/2009 21:19

Interesting post.



Have we agreed on the name on who was interviewed then.

AlsancakJack



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Message Posted:
31/03/2009 21:19

juliet



'This interview is causing ruptions here, didnt go down to well with international people in high places ie, the EU......'



Have you got your information right this time?

If so then:

Excellent!

AJ

juliet


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Message Posted:
31/03/2009 21:23

yes AJ am more awake now...

rowlo



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Message Posted:
31/03/2009 21:32

shes wiped the yoke from her eyes ////////////////

juliet


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Message Posted:
31/03/2009 21:34

/////// you should be a comedian...

AlsancakJack



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Message Posted:
31/03/2009 21:41

juliet

Due to your misunderstanding's of all things Cyprus, I would like to clarify my last post. My use of the word 'excellent' was referring to your statement:

'This interview is causing ruptions here, didnt go down to well with international people in high places ie, the EU......'

And not to the assumption that you had gotten your facts right this time.

I hope you understand.

Take care

AJ

juliet


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Message Posted:
31/03/2009 21:49

but of cause i understand you AJ, i havnt assumed anything....

rowlo



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Message Posted:
31/03/2009 22:02

you assumed you spelled course??? lol

juliet


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Message Posted:
31/03/2009 22:11

oooops rowlo///////

rowlo



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Message Posted:
31/03/2009 22:19

we all make mistakes jules .

Turtle


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Message Posted:
31/03/2009 22:35

Perhaps Juliet should as a moderator to change the title of this thread to "Gul" and not "Erdogan" but this would probably rub salt in the egg!!

juliet


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Message Posted:
31/03/2009 22:55

havnt you noticed turtle it has been changed....

AlsancakJack



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Message Posted:
31/03/2009 23:00

Sorry juliet

I wanted to save you from any further embarrassment.

AJ

Turtle


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Message Posted:
31/03/2009 23:10

See Juliet.....got you off the hook sweatheart

MUSIN M


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Message Posted:
31/03/2009 23:25

suzanne



i am not so forgiving ,i believe it shows your ignorance to all things turkish,



kali nihta.





musin



long live the kktc

juliet


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Message Posted:
31/03/2009 23:25

why would i be embarressed AJ, a genuine mistake which i apologised for.

thanks for changing the title.

Tiggy


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Message Posted:
31/03/2009 23:40

A.J,



you are a Knight in shining armour.

jay76


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Message Posted:
31/03/2009 23:57

why would i be embarressed AJ, a genuine mistake which i apologised for.



thanks for changing the title.





prob better off keeping it zipped, crack on with your knitting.

AlsancakJack



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Message Posted:
31/03/2009 23:58

Tiggy

'you are a Knight in shining armour.'



You dont know where I can buy brillo pads do you? because my reputation has become a bit tarnished just lately.

AJ

Lilli



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Message Posted:
01/04/2009 00:09

aj never you are what you are dont change you bring life and discussion to the forum . we need all aspects xxxxxxxxxxxxxx

aweverard


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Message Posted:
01/04/2009 02:36

Hi Juliet msg 32



you say the interview did not go down well in the RoC understood, but also in the EU! Do you have any references for this as would be interested in finding out what "international people in high places" have said bout it as cant find anything from a basic googling?

mmmmmm



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Message Posted:
01/04/2009 07:45

re msg 31



"My point being that what is sauce for goose..."



STILL no comment on the fact Mr Gul was "trying it on" re Cyprus "settlers" and Hamas?...the TR local elections are over.. I thought he might be a little more plausible to an international audience.

aweverard


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Message Posted:
01/04/2009 12:50

Hi MM,



Not sure what you mean about re Cyprus settler and Hamas? did not see the interview as don't have Euronews in Beijing!



My point about sauce for the goose, if it is OK for the RoC PIO to fail to mention anything that happened from 63 to 74 then it i OK for Gul to say there are no settlers from TR. Juliets outrage at Guls hypocrisy is not matched when it come to the lie of omission of the RoC PIO.



If the GCs want the TCs to trust them then they will have to stop glossing over the history 63-74 - see the debate about changing the history books in the south.

juliet


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Message Posted:
01/04/2009 14:43

msg 55



How do you expect the tcs to trust the gcs with hypociscy from Turkey, they tell them blatent lies, the tcs are slowly coming back to the south of the island & hopfully will wean themselves away from the the dictatorship they now have...

TRNCVaughan


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Message Posted:
01/04/2009 15:59

Juliet,



I assume you mean ructions...



One entry found.

Main Entry: ruc·tion

Pronunciation: \ˈrək-shən\

Function: noun

Etymology: perhaps by shortening & alteration from insurrection

Date: circa 1825

1 : a noisy fight

2 : disturbance , uproar



You said "didnt(sic) go down to(sic) well with international people in high places ie(sic), the EU......'



Would these people in the EU be the same ones that promised the TC's that they would be rewarded for voting YES in 2004?

mmmmmm



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Message Posted:
01/04/2009 16:43

Hi Awe, re msg 55



Hope you are well.. As you are in Beijing and others might not have seen THAT's why I posted the url link. !!



But if you missed it ..





http://www.euronews.net/2009/03/30/abdullah-gul-we-will-fight-pkk-to-the-death/







I don't know if Euronews is "blocked" from where you are.. but perhaps you'll be able to read it soon



These "oversights" re historical ommissions do seem to be a problem re the Cyprus problem....

aweverard


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Message Posted:
01/04/2009 17:34

Juliet, msg 56,



I expect the GCs can wean the TCs away from Turkey but don't believe that if they deny the trauma suffer by TCs in 63-74 that they will be successful, 12,000 or so cross for work and 2,000 or live in the RoC - I assume that these speak English as do many in the TRNC so the question should be why have so few taken advantage of the benefits offered in the RoC?



Perhaps they see the hypocrisy of the RoC and so don't trust the GCs?



MM, msg 58,



No Euronews is not blocked in China and I did look at the link - but not read it in full (had to watch some grass grow or something ) and you are right the omissions are a big part of the problem, but if it were a few hot heads not the official history it could be excused.