Obama, Turkey and Sarkozy

TRNCVaughan


Joined: 27/04/2008
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Message Posted:
06/04/2009 10:27

Nice to see Obama say that Turkey needs to be allowed into the EU, even before he gets there.

Also nice to hear Sarkozy put his foot in his mouth by saying that this is an EU matter and nothing to do with USA. What Sarkozy doesn't realise as a "new boy" in NATO, is that Turkey in the EU means Turkey stays in NATO.

Given a choice between Turkey in NATO and cheese eating, surrender monkeys in NATO, I know who I'd want on my side. Sarkozy could also find himself getting a slap for contradicting Obama.

fire starter


Joined: 19/06/2008
Posts: 3401

Message Posted:
06/04/2009 10:34

hi vaughan

i think the french public are none to happy with playboy sarkosy, so i hope they vote him out come election time.

i watched his wife in the photo shoots last week, first of all she was being such a poser, then she looked totally bored which i felt was pretty bad mannered of her.

what is she doing with an old guy like that anyway?

Lilli



Joined: 21/07/2008
Posts: 13081

Message Posted:
06/04/2009 10:40

Hi Vaughan strange o see that he also wanted to scupper the G20 talks if they didnt go his way.

TRNCVaughan


Joined: 27/04/2008
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Message Posted:
06/04/2009 11:01

Turkey threatened to veto the choice of the Dane Anders Fogh Rasmussen if he was chosen as the new head of NATO. They didn't veto him in the end as an assistants post was promised, by Obama, for a Turkish general and that Turkish commanders would be present at the alliance's command.

USA wants Turkey in EU and NATO. NATO wants Turkey in NATO. Starting to look like Turkey is holding most of the cards.

mmmmmm



Joined: 19/12/2008
Posts: 8398

Message Posted:
06/04/2009 11:09

Dear "TRNC"Vaughan, re msg 1/4



Let' face it.. Sarkozy DOES represent a dubious faction ( re Turkey's membership) so Obama needs to be "nice" to him, too.



I'm not sure how a nation needing IMF help can dictate terms.. and if it is threatening to move more closely to "another" camp - the US should call their bluff.





IF you are right about TR "holding all the cards" then the US must be lousy negotiators !!

fire starter


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Message Posted:
06/04/2009 11:36

i know turkey had imf money before but i thought they declined the recent offer.

i do remember the big business people were asking the turkish goverment to reconsider.

Geoff


Joined: 25/06/2008
Posts: 1370

Message Posted:
06/04/2009 12:30

Regards NATO this is a classic case of the Pot Calling the Kettle Black! The French have not been members for years, then suddenly they have joined up.

As new boy Sarcosie should show respect for USA, Turkey, UK, and the other 20+ members.

TRNCVaughan


Joined: 27/04/2008
Posts: 4578

Message Posted:
06/04/2009 12:50

Hi mmmmmmmmmmmm,



Just because Turkeys economy isn't in great shape (whose is, these days?) we shouldn't think it doesen't have a lot of military clout in it's own backyard. Take a look at North Korea - poor as a church mouse but got everybody with their finger "on the button".

I didn't say Turkey held "all the cards", I said it was "holding most of the cards". With Obama backing Turkeys EU bid and Turkey chucking its weight around in NATO, I'd say a lot of people were taking them very seriously. You'd be a braver man than me to call a Turks bluff, BTW. The Turkish PM, President and particularly the Generals are not people you want to f--- with.



Sorry Vaughan, really could not leave that one unedited. AJ

DutchCrusader



Joined: 19/05/2008
Posts: 11281

Message Posted:
06/04/2009 13:15

RE msg 1, TRNCVaughan > cheese eating, surrender monkeys in NATO <



=> The "your quote" are fighting and taking casualties in Afghanistan, side by side with NATO partners, in a UN sanctioned operation. I admit: they are not participating in the infamous Bush/Blair conspiracy, the illegal operation/occupation in Iraq. But: should we blame the soldiers or the government? Just a question for the record.



=> If their NATO partners US, UK and France had sent the promised F-16 planes, the "your quote" probably wouldn't have had to lay down their weapons. The heaviest armaments of "your quote" were .30 automatic weapons - against Serbian tanks and cannons. Also for the record.



=> The government of "your quote" is certainly to blame (which I have fully admitted elsewhere before) - but don't insult the soldiers who, far too weakly armed, just carried out orders from their government.

TRNCVaughan


Joined: 27/04/2008
Posts: 4578

Message Posted:
06/04/2009 14:11

Hi DC,



Don't get me wrong for a minute about whether I'm talking about the french gov or their soldiers. I have total respect for any man who signs up and is prepared to get shot at for a living. It's the military desicions of the french gov since the 1st world war that leave a lot to be desired.

maybemike


Joined: 12/01/2009
Posts: 188

Message Posted:
06/04/2009 14:38

Firestarter you are talking rubbish re the imf..I should say as usual, click in any intelligent financial links to do with turkey and it will show you all about the imf..

DutchCrusader



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Posts: 11281

Message Posted:
06/04/2009 14:44

RE msg 10, TRNCVaughan: I really thought you were talking about Dutch soldiers! (Srebenica). I was obviously fooled by your use of "cheese eating etc". At least, that's what I hope.

TRNCVaughan


Joined: 27/04/2008
Posts: 4578

Message Posted:
06/04/2009 15:02

Hi DC,



The Cloggies are my favourite foreigners and their soldiers are as good as you would expect for blokes that wear hairnets under their berets. It's the Frogs that are cheese eating surrender monkeys. Ask the Germans.

mmmmmm



Joined: 19/12/2008
Posts: 8398

Message Posted:
06/04/2009 15:23

Dear "TRNC"Vaughan re msg 8



You seem to think I don't know that TR is (militarily) the BIG boy around the Eastern Med..



Please don't confuse this with the right to "steamroller" Human Rights.



The RoC is already an EU member and if you think the USA is going to make a difference - when President O, is going out of his way to NOT behave like President Bush....



Your vision of how things get done is very much last century ;)



You also forget that I deal with Mainland Turks on a daily basis and probably visit more often than you ! ;)

AlsancakJack



Joined: 14/08/2008
Posts: 5762

Message Posted:
06/04/2009 15:43

An interesting link.

http://www.cnsnews.com/public/content/article.aspx?RsrcID=46164



AJ

mmmmmm



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Posts: 8398

Message Posted:
06/04/2009 18:49

Hi AJ, I've read it...



I se nought changed in the scheme of things



1/ the EU STILL decide who joins - not the USA - please remember I WANT TR in..and I think you don't !



2/ Rasmussen is STILL going to get the post.



3/ If Cyprus HAD behaved like this TR wouldn't even be talking about EU accession, now. Thank Goodness, they don't try and negotiate TR style ! ;)

newscoop


Joined: 23/12/2007
Posts: 2197

Message Posted:
07/04/2009 12:32

DC;

you`re obviously not a Simpsons fan, "cheese eating surrender monkeys" is a term of endearment used in the good ol` US of A purely to describe the French. As for Srebrenica, it happened, it was the fault of your government and the UN and buggered up the reputation of your countries armed forces. None of the Dutch soldiers were harmed as they stood by and allowed the Serbs free reign. Get over it.

DutchCrusader



Joined: 19/05/2008
Posts: 11281

Message Posted:
07/04/2009 12:36

RE msg 17, newscoop: > you`re obviously not a Simpsons fan <



=> You're right, newscoop. Thanks for the explanation!

gardenmaker


Joined: 01/09/2008
Posts: 170

Message Posted:
07/04/2009 13:13

trnc vaughn i go with everything you say would be interested to know your views on the zerochlor thread

TRNCVaughan


Joined: 27/04/2008
Posts: 4578

Message Posted:
07/04/2009 13:42

Hi Gardenmaker,



I may well join the zerochlor thread when I have an opportunity to see and maybe try the product. Until then it would be pure speculation for me to comment either for or against. However, I welcome any new product which is environment friendly, safe, efficacious and cost effective.

TRNCVaughan


Joined: 27/04/2008
Posts: 4578

Message Posted:
07/04/2009 16:21

Hi mmmmmmmm,



"Your vision of how things get done is very much last century ;)"

So is mainland Turkey.







"You also forget that I deal with Mainland Turks on a daily basis and probably visit more often than you ! ;)"

You might have forgotten that we have a fairly high concentration of them here, and many of them carry guns

joseph


Joined: 17/04/2008
Posts: 709

Message Posted:
07/04/2009 17:11

Latest news...



Announced on TV today that the Turkish President has agreed to allow US forces a base in Turkey as an exit route to the north (Afghanistan?)...

on the basis that all weapons are made secure.



Also Obama has today landed in Baghdad for a previously an unannounced visit.



Joseph

juliet


Joined: 11/01/2009
Posts: 612

Message Posted:
07/04/2009 17:34

msg22



The USA already have plenty of bases in Turkey as well as the trnc...

Tiggy


Joined: 25/07/2007
Posts: 1994

Message Posted:
07/04/2009 18:06

One more won't hurt then! Guaranteed.

juliet


Joined: 11/01/2009
Posts: 612

Message Posted:
07/04/2009 18:21

getting a bit greedy are you not... & you who lives in the UK & not this lovely island called CYPRUS......

Tiggy


Joined: 25/07/2007
Posts: 1994

Message Posted:
07/04/2009 18:34

How hurtful. Sorry j. you have no clue where I am at the mo.......you could be surprised.

juliet


Joined: 11/01/2009
Posts: 612

Message Posted:
07/04/2009 18:40

well try to relax & not be so agressive... have a zivania while you are trying to find the international link that says about the guarantee for you all....

Tiggy


Joined: 25/07/2007
Posts: 1994

Message Posted:
07/04/2009 18:42

I will try,



cheers, you are a real tonic and friend.

AlsancakJack



Joined: 14/08/2008
Posts: 5762

Message Posted:
07/04/2009 21:14

Mark

Re message 16, remember I told you to be worried?

http://islammonitor.org/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=2258&Itemid=96

sylvie


Joined: 12/03/2008
Posts: 1081

Message Posted:
07/04/2009 21:44

french who vote for him, i wouldn't have, never and ever ! and i know some do regret it so much ! it is the worst president we ever had ! not a diplomate at all - arrogant person !

AlsancakJack



Joined: 14/08/2008
Posts: 5762

Message Posted:
07/04/2009 22:48

Mark

Have you looked at the link yet?

AlsancakJack



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Posts: 5762

Message Posted:
07/04/2009 23:04

John

So are you telling me that the quotes by Erdogan are not true?

Oh and by the way please don't patronize me.

Brinsley


Joined: 04/04/2009
Posts: 6858

Message Posted:
07/04/2009 23:12

Turkish air traffic control must have been on drugs as they sent Obama to Iraq instead of back to Washington! Well, that's what the BBC said, he was going home state side!



Richard

Magbs


Joined: 26/02/2009
Posts: 278

Message Posted:
07/04/2009 23:27

Re 29



Seems Erdogan is honest enough to say what are his long term goals, i.e moving further and further away from Kemalism. :(

AlsancakJack



Joined: 14/08/2008
Posts: 5762

Message Posted:
07/04/2009 23:45

Magsbs

This is the main reason why I think that Turkey should not join the EU. It will be one hot potato for the EU to sort out after the event.

AJ

AlsancakJack



Joined: 14/08/2008
Posts: 5762

Message Posted:
08/04/2009 00:07

John

'I'm just advising people not to rely to heavily on websites as they are frequently full of paranoid, biased rubbish.'



Much the same as some peoples postings on this site then.

Do you still wear that safari jacket?

Hope you have had it cleaned since I saw you in it last.



Oh yep I will ask you once more but doubt if I will get a reply.



'So are you telling me that the quotes by Erdogan are not true?'

Magbs


Joined: 26/02/2009
Posts: 278

Message Posted:
08/04/2009 00:55

AJ, msg 36



I suppose Mark thinks the things would get even worse if EU rejects Turkey. Indeed, Erdogan had already in the past mentioned “alternatives” that his country would have if it failed to get along with the Europeans. Kinda blackmail, and what do you have to lose?

Magbs


Joined: 26/02/2009
Posts: 278

Message Posted:
08/04/2009 01:01

Dryboak. C'mon, those are pretty true quotes.