Was a question ducked ?

mmmmmm



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Message Posted:
27/04/2009 15:48

In this thread



http://www.cyprus44.com/forums/14242.asp



VinceHugo accuses a banned member - with no right of reply - and myself as follows:



"My frustration with people like Juliet and mmmmmm is that they love to repeat the same old stuff but run a mile when anyone tries to enter into a rational discussion on their favourite topic of property return. "



1/ I NEVER run a mile form a good debate



2/ You asked me a question re Annan and the inequality of of certain folk and I answered it - you then asked the same question requiring a simple "YES or NO" - but I had given a in-depth answer and examples.



So, when you asked again and again in several threads I simply referred you back to my first answer. I told you that I wasn't going to repeat myself, and I was busy "ducking" questions .... NOT .. elsewhere.



Always happy to chew the fact with you - but not to have my time wasted.

deecyprus4


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Message Posted:
27/04/2009 16:03

Border how happy I am that you are still posting...

mmmmmm



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Message Posted:
27/04/2009 16:20

re msg 2 Dee,



and how happy *I'll* be when you fess up to seeing a Mosque in the "rump" RoC ;)

deecyprus4


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Message Posted:
27/04/2009 16:24

Fess up lol, street slang..do you not think you are a little long in the tooth for such talk HA HA HA

mmmmmm



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Message Posted:
27/04/2009 16:32

re msg 4, Dee



I hear the language used a lot at home.... I guess you are as young as the woman you feel .... ;) ..if you know what I mean.



BTW.. I DO have teenage kids/ step kids ....

fire starter


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Message Posted:
27/04/2009 19:35

hi m

why let them get to you?

they are just sweating about living on gc land with the orams thing so close.

i'm looking forward to meeting up with juliet for a celebration.

i'm sure she is reading all this and finds it funny!

mmmmmm



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Message Posted:
27/04/2009 21:37

Hi F/S



I'm getting worried, now - the only thing I WANT to be able to do is to post a response or offer my opinion on here - if I cared what some folk thought of me - I'd be "dead" ;)



Thanks for the concern, anyway.



I respect Elko and HE say that if the ECJ say it's OK for the EU courts to allow RoC judgments to be enforced in third party EU states it will destroy the talks ... I feel it would ultimately do the latter as the ECHR route - re local remedies - would be on a collision path with the right of GCs to start issuing writs - getting judgements and enforcing them outside CY.



IF the ECJ rules along the Advocate Generals advice - all sides will have a very different viewpoint of how to "settle" the property issue .



That can't be a good thing - but I feel it will add some urgency for a political settlement - hence I expect a "fudge" re the ability of the plaintiff to enforce.



I guess by this time tomorrow it will be clearer.

mmmmmm



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Message Posted:
27/04/2009 21:40

I meant do the opposite - not latter - paragraph 3 "I feel it would ultimately do the _____ OPPOSITE as the ECHR route - re local remedies - would be on a collision path" ..



DUH

vincehugo


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Message Posted:
28/04/2009 00:28

This is so tedious.



In this thread http://www.cyprus44.com/forums/13307.asp I restated a question I had asked Mark in this earlier thread http://www.cyprus44.com/forums/11190.asp .



The question was "Do you agree that Annan treated all owners of Es Deger land equally, whether TC or "foreign" and irrespective of when the land was purchased/developed?"



Mark tells me he had answered the question previously but I can't find the answer and he won't point me to it.



I have seen answers from Mark to questions I didn't ask, answers from Mark that seem to suggest a "Yes" but which he presents as a "No". And I have seen answers that tell me to re-read the thread, that it is OBVIOUS etc. But I haven't seen an answer from Mark to the question I asked. Which I class as ducking the question.



However if you would be so kind as to "refer me back to your first answer" by thread/post number I will study it in detail and consider whether it does indeed answer the question I asked.

mmmmmm



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Message Posted:
28/04/2009 00:33

and you'll get the same response...

vincehugo


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Message Posted:
28/04/2009 00:33

Sounds awfully like ducking to me!

vincehugo


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Message Posted:
28/04/2009 00:37

By the way, I think you'll find that the expression is "chewing the fat". Facts are a bit harder to swallow from you!

TheSaints



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Message Posted:
28/04/2009 00:44

Duck!!!



watchout for the low flying question



Msg 9

However if you would be so kind as to "refer me back to your first answer" by thread/post number I will study it in detail and consider whether it does indeed answer the question I asked.



and what if it doesn't ??

vincehugo


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Message Posted:
28/04/2009 00:46

Then I guess we will have an answer to the question "was a question ducked".



But actually what I would really like is to know what Mark's answer it to my original question because I think he has been mis-representing the Annan Plan to his GC pals.

TheSaints



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Message Posted:
28/04/2009 00:53

Then I guess we will have an answer to the question "was a question ducked".



Who gives a toss??



But actually what I would really like is to know what Mark's answer it to my original question because I think he has been mis-representing the Annan Plan to his GC pals.



What is he part of the political process appealing to the masses in the South??

vincehugo


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Message Posted:
28/04/2009 00:58

Re Msg 15



"Who gives a toss??"



Apparently Mark does as he posted a whole new thread on the subject, when I was well and truly fed up of pursuing the point.



"What is he part of the political process appealing to the masses in the South??"



Maybe, but if he's feeding them the wrong information then he might be more of a hindrance than a help to the GC cause.

proger1



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Message Posted:
28/04/2009 01:04

I believe Mark has already given up on this point that you are truly fed up of pursuing but still pursuing. Wether it was ducked, lost, scratched or never existed it looks like it is dead and buried now

mmmmmm



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Message Posted:
28/04/2009 01:22

Dear Mike,



I have JUST read through the thread http://www.cyprus44.com/forums/11190.asp



one more time.. You'll not that on several occasions I don't respond for 24 hours and VinceHugo was proclaiming I was "silent" because I was "wrong"..



The thread started as a poster claimed that the EU would never allow any settlement to treat EU citizens differently. I pointed out that Annan did - Erolz dismissed them as "temporary"



The EU permitted the UK to stop Romanians and Bulgarians coming to the UK without work permits for four years.. The EU permitted the RoC to stop non Cypriots from owning more than one property for five years..



THAT is what started this lunacy.

vincehugo


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Message Posted:
28/04/2009 01:22

Proger,



I'm puzzled by your post. It was Mark that posted a new thread on this subject suggesting he has not given up on it. I would have liked the answer to my question, but, in the absence of that, am not prepared for Mark to "get away" with his accusations.



I appreciate that this is deadly dull to most people, but you don't have to read it, or indeed comment on it, if you don't want. There are plenty other posts on this board to read.

TheSaints



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Message Posted:
28/04/2009 01:27

Mark,



I have followed this for some time and am amazed that he is still going on about this, it must be his little obsession, it has got quite tedious and boring some time back, definate proof that care in the community was doomed to fail.

vincehugo


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Message Posted:
28/04/2009 01:27

Re Msg 18



If that's an answer then this is a question.

mmmmmm



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Message Posted:
28/04/2009 01:28

VinceHugo, I started this thread, at your suggestion - as usual you manage to twist everything about..



YOU made quite a few accusations:



1/ I was "running away" - if I didn't respond - even if I wasn't near a pc for 48 hours or my daughter was ill and I found it more important than indulging you ..



2/ I hadn't answered you question - but I had and did . Hence I won't repeat myself.



etc.

proger1



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Message Posted:
28/04/2009 01:29

Just trying to drop a subtle hint there Jerry, you are quite correct, I don't have to read the thread but then I don't have to be polite when I write messages. Thank you for turning your attention my way for a second though it did bring back some life to thread if only for me. I believe Mark has now given some reply but I will let you get back to that

vincehugo


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Message Posted:
28/04/2009 01:29

Mike Re Msg 20



a) Who started this thread?



b) What's the answer to my question?



Just looking for rational debate - is that too much to ask for?

TheSaints



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Message Posted:
28/04/2009 01:37

I appreciate that this is deadly dull to most people, but you don't have to read it, or indeed comment on it, if you don't want. There are plenty other posts on this board to read.



Dead right there, I am out of here.



Rational Debate, you have been hounding the guy on this for ages look back through the threads I think you are totally irational.



If I ever get like that I hope the wife will have the good sense to do me a favour and pull the trigger for me.

proger1



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Message Posted:
28/04/2009 01:41

Well said Mike.

I have nothing to do on Night shift and thought I might get some interesting info or at least some entertainment but if this is the standard I may as well find some work to do.

Have fun all, I am heading home to the family tomorrow !!

vincehugo


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Message Posted:
28/04/2009 01:43

Mark Re Msg 22



a) I categorically did not suggest that you start I new thread. I just asked that you stick to rational debate on the subject of the thread.



b) Again, the "running away" referred to you avoiding the rational debate, not delays in response. You are twisting the facts.



c) You haven't answered my question - because, in my opinion, you don't (or at least didn't) understand how Annan Five was interpreted with respect to Es Deger land and "foreigners"



I'm not sure if it amuses you to play these silly games but a straight answer about 500 posts ago would have been a lot more striaghtforward.

vincehugo


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Message Posted:
28/04/2009 01:47

Mike/Paul,



Goodnight

Aussie


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Message Posted:
28/04/2009 02:00

mmmmmm



On incomplete discussions you may have missed my last post on this one





http://www.cyprus44.com/forums/14183.asp



Regards



Aussie

vincehugo


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Message Posted:
28/04/2009 02:22

I've been reflecting on my "obsession" with the unanswered question and my apparent irrational behaviour in pursuing it.



Over 5 years ago, when the Annan plan was being debated on this and many other message boards ahead of the vote, a certain MarkyMark roamed the boards declaring that the Annan plan meant the end of the road for any expats who had purchased Es Deger land after 2003. That they would lose any rights to their property if Annan was accepted.



This was just not true (even if he would have liked to believe it). But no amount of rational debate or reference to fact would alter his view.



I accept the fact that Mark is very knowledgeable on many matters relating to Cyprus (which is why people have time for him). I also appreciate that internet forums like these are not the only source of information. But I believe his misinformation had a material impact on the TRNC economy and the property market in particular. And that makes me very angry.

mmmmmm



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Message Posted:
28/04/2009 08:38

Dear VinceHugo, re msg 30



"a certain MarkyMark roamed the boards declaring that the Annan plan meant the end of the road for any expats who had purchased Es Deger land after 2003. That they would lose any rights to their property if Annan was accepted. "



Your next line says this was simply not true.. I'd agree ..!

vincehugo


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Message Posted:
28/04/2009 11:10

Well thank you for clearing that one up!

mmmmmm



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Message Posted:
28/04/2009 11:17

No - you don't understand - and not for the first time.. twist the story to suit yourself.. What YOU say is untrue..

vincehugo


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Message Posted:
28/04/2009 11:30

Sure Mark. And luckily for you the MSN boards have closed down.

mmmmmm



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Message Posted:
28/04/2009 17:38

Dear VinceHugo, re msg 34



"And luckily for you the MSN boards have closed down." - surely this is "lucky" for you - you are accusing me of fibbing and YOU must prove it....



If you can remember which board and what you called yourself back then ( I've always been Markymark - haven't I ?) I will see if I can find it ... You'll be able to tell if I've altered any posts.. which I wouldn't..