The Orams are not ready to give up the fight goes on (link)

TheSaints



Joined: 28/01/2009
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Message Posted:
28/04/2009 16:43

The last paragraph, a statement from the Plaintifs lawyer is very interesting.





http://www.famagusta-gazette.com/default.asp?sourceid=&smenu=69&twindow=Default&mad=No&sdetail=8526&wpage=1&skeyword=&sidate=&ccat=&ccatm=&restate=&restatus=&reoption=&retype=&repmin=&repmax=&rebed=&rebath=&subname=&pform=&sc=2350&hn=famagusta-gazette&he=.com

rtddci


Joined: 29/12/2007
Posts: 842

Message Posted:
28/04/2009 16:48

How can Mr A's lawyer doubt that it will lead the way for thousands of similar claims? What was the political point of the case then?

TheSaints



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Message Posted:
28/04/2009 16:56

The cost and the time,

how many GC's have a few hundred grand for legal costs up front remember legal costs are awarded retrospectively.

Also he knows the work he has had to do and the costs, he is probably the most qualified person to make that comment.

The point is a GC has won a minor battle over land in the TRNC it is all about face. Greek Cypriot Pride.

and that pride may have just divided the island for good.

jay76


Joined: 17/07/2008
Posts: 532

Message Posted:
28/04/2009 18:39

Maybe lawyers are going to go down the no win no fee road.

TheSaints



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Posts: 1369

Message Posted:
28/04/2009 18:45

what spend years of time worth hundreds of grand for a few grand if they get it? your havin a laugh.

It still is not over yet, there is still a long legal battle ahead on the Orams case.

No1Doyen


Joined: 04/07/2008
Posts: 16617

Message Posted:
28/04/2009 18:49

Mike. I'm with you on that one.

jay76


Joined: 17/07/2008
Posts: 532

Message Posted:
28/04/2009 18:53

They can have my place for two hundred grand cash saves the lawyers fee's and stress that comes with it.

Anyway im sure we will hear an anouncment from the TRNC gov soon.

greylag


Joined: 08/04/2009
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Message Posted:
28/04/2009 18:59

Still Guaranteed no1,

G.

TheSaints



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Message Posted:
28/04/2009 19:06

Bill,



we are still taking occupancy in a few weeks mate, we bought in the TRNC not in Europe!!!

mikemans


Joined: 12/04/2009
Posts: 103

Message Posted:
28/04/2009 19:13

I have just read the article on judgement, if the plaintiff has succeeded based on the fact that Cyprus is one and all part of the EU and everyone is subject to those rules, does it not folow that the same application applies to say land lost at Larnaca such as the airport and electric company sites etc.

catalkoykid


Joined: 15/02/2009
Posts: 1190

Message Posted:
28/04/2009 19:18

its was no more than a show of force, roc dont have enough money to back everyone financially,no 1 wins from the courts only the legal teams

jay76


Joined: 17/07/2008
Posts: 532

Message Posted:
28/04/2009 19:19

mikemans



This is one of reasons why it will never be sorted out a load more twists and turns still to come belive you me.

vincehugo


Joined: 28/01/2009
Posts: 208

Message Posted:
28/04/2009 19:28

So, if the TRNC Government were prepared to assist, all those owners of Es Deger land who are resident in the EU could be provided with the deeds to their "exchange" land in the South. They could then take their claim to the RoC government for back rent and return of the land/property. And as we are all one big happy EU family resumably the ECJ would force the RoC government to comply.



Interestingly enough it is a far tougher challenge the other way round because information on who "owns" what in the TRNC is held by the TRNC government. Also and more fundamentally, restitution of the land property is a real possibility in the South under EU law whereas, whereas return of land in the TRNC is outside EU jurisdiction.

vincehugo


Joined: 28/01/2009
Posts: 208

Message Posted:
28/04/2009 19:58

Hang on. I've had an even better idea. Rather than demand the land back in South Cyprus they could offer to sell it to the present owner. Then they could take the money from the sale, find the GC owner of their Es Deger plot in the north and offer to buy it off him/her. Might even make a bit of profit!



But I guess it could get a bit complicated if the land in South Cyprus had been built on by the current user, or if the land was used by several GC's (or of couse if someone didn't want to buy or sell ..). What they could really do with is a formula/plan to work through all these sorts of issues, especially if it starts happening on a widespread basis. Something that addressed the rights of current users and dispossessed owners in a fair and reasonable way, managing all the complexities without favouring one side or the other.



But wait, didn't some people spend a bit of time thinking about this a few years ago. I seem to remember that Kofi Annan had some involvement . . .

ataturk


Joined: 09/09/2008
Posts: 712

Message Posted:
01/05/2009 23:23

I love the brits, so much fighting spirit. There is a much publicised court case going on and they are still buying in the TRNC. Thats why they get on with the TCs cos we have been fighting all our lives. We have been living unrecognised for over 35 years with no financial help from anyone but Turkey and we have managed very well. We have roads, hotels, some tourists lots of banks a government and loads of restaurants. I dont think we have done too bad compared to the greeks.



If anyone thinks that the Orams case is going to make a difference think again, the Loizidou case was won and has changed nothing.

jay76


Joined: 17/07/2008
Posts: 532

Message Posted:
02/05/2009 18:54

pikey



Can you tell me when and how property is going to be given back open your eye's and really think about it, do you really think a greek judge in luxemberg is going make any diff to the trnc also land.



what an idiot