Do you still want to go down South?

flightholiday


Joined: 19/07/2007
Posts: 3217

Message Posted:
01/05/2009 21:36

Do you still want to go down South after someone from there blocked this site and Villa Owners?



1] To buy goods



2] To fly?

daisy dukes


Joined: 06/09/2008
Posts: 3815

Message Posted:
01/05/2009 21:39

Do you know for sure that 'someone from there' actually did block this site?...



DD

DutchCrusader



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Posts: 11281

Message Posted:
01/05/2009 21:39

No and No. For a lot of reasons.

flightholiday


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Posts: 3217

Message Posted:
01/05/2009 21:45

DD Not sure but too many people think that it was the case unhappily it would not surprise me too much. I have met in my time many Cypriots who I like from both sides but (it is a pity) there do seem to be more from the South with a chip on their shoulder than from the North.

flightholiday


Joined: 19/07/2007
Posts: 3217

Message Posted:
02/05/2009 13:19

C44 under attack again!

Littlenige



Joined: 24/12/2006
Posts: 3594

Message Posted:
02/05/2009 13:26

yes no problem, i have not seen any evidence yrt it either site were attacked from the g/cs.



China has been mentioned !!



OF ll the sites below only 44 and v/o I would think a grudge or vendetta is more likely than a g/c attack



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mmmmmm



Joined: 19/12/2008
Posts: 8398

Message Posted:
02/05/2009 13:36

Dear Tom, ( Flightholiday)



So now the actions of some "script kiddys" tar all GCs with the same brush ?!





Sorry, but you wouldn't you "benefit" if folk changed their habits as you "suggest" ... ?!

Littlenige



Joined: 24/12/2006
Posts: 3594

Message Posted:
02/05/2009 16:08

that could be a lot nearer to the source jason.

deecyprus4


Joined: 27/07/2008
Posts: 3452

Message Posted:
02/05/2009 16:19

I always fly from Ercan and I only go south for things I can't get here...if I don't go ...I don't go.

flightholiday


Joined: 19/07/2007
Posts: 3217

Message Posted:
02/05/2009 16:21

Dear mmmmmm



I am not laying blame, I don't know - many others have made assumptions. Jason might be right again I do not know! I can only hazard a guess and if you read what I wrote you will note I was not belligerent.



Your comment about tarring someone because it is what someone else has done certainly is right.



BUT that also applies both ways how many people get slagged off in the North for buying property? No thought from those who do moan, that much of it may be original pre 74 title deeds.



How many people buy property on the other side of the Green Line which is Turkish Cypriot title? Do they get a lot of problems for it? Again I do not know.



I personally would not be too happy down south but that is solely my personal feeling.

TheSaints



Joined: 28/01/2009
Posts: 1369

Message Posted:
02/05/2009 16:30

Hi Pikey,



welcome back did you enjoy your vacation. must admit your msg 8 govt blackout was the first thing that came to my mind too.

hattikins


Joined: 17/02/2008
Posts: 2793

Message Posted:
02/05/2009 17:14

The usual lunatics are back on the board I see, it's probably best if we just ignore them, they will get fed up and crawl back to where they came from.

dozza67


Joined: 11/07/2008
Posts: 607

Message Posted:
02/05/2009 17:50

We would rather pay extra money and fly from Ercan and as for shopping, no, we will not shop there again. Sick and tired of the GC's whinging and whining about their rights etc etc but refuse to acknowledge that they did things wrong in the past. Both sides did a lot of bad things but in our opinion, the TC's have moved on and are trying to just live their lives peaceably.

Cyprusquest


Joined: 09/12/2008
Posts: 428

Message Posted:
04/05/2009 00:54

Nice to be back - I am surprised how few seem to have revised their ideas about going down to the dark side and supporting them after hearing what they say on their forums.



Even though the falling down of this site and the other may or may not be atributed to them down there or their cohorts. I have not been over often but no more unless there is a dire emergency.

millzer


Joined: 12/04/2007
Posts: 978

Message Posted:
04/05/2009 01:49

We have flown into Larnaca quite a bit more than Ercan in the past. On occasion go shopping in the south, although never really enjoyed it as often you see the same miserable surly faces in the shops that you see in the UK.



The final nail in the coffin for us is the ECJ judgement, not neccessarily for what the judgement is in itself, as we expected it, but yet again only the 'injustices' as happened to Greek Cypriots seem to be recognized by the EU and rest of the world in general, whilst the injustices to Turkish Cypriots over the years as always are brushed under the carpet because they live in a state that does not exist.



And......Just as a reminder to the rest of the world, the leader of the state in Cyprus that gained its independence from Great britain and now administered in the south started all the trouble in the first place with his/their desire for Enosis. What was it he said? Oh yes;

millzer


Joined: 12/04/2007
Posts: 978

Message Posted:
04/05/2009 01:51

Cont'd



President Makarios said; "Until this small Turkish community that forms part of the Turkish race which has been the terrible enemy of Hellenism is expelled, the duty to the heroes of EOKA cannot be considered as terminated."



So no, we will not be going south again, even if they were bloody well giving flights away.

millzer


Joined: 12/04/2007
Posts: 978

Message Posted:
04/05/2009 02:02

In 1962, Polykarpos Yorkadjis, Minister of Interior, declared that:



"There is no place in Cyprus for anyone who is not Greek, who does not think Greek and who does not constantly feel Greek."



Oh dear we forgot about that one too didn't we!!!!

millzer


Joined: 12/04/2007
Posts: 978

Message Posted:
04/05/2009 02:03

In an interview with the Italian journalist Oriana Fallaci, Makarios said how Ioannides (a Greek officer in the Greek contingent on Cyprus) and Nikos Sampson, a bloody EOKA terrorist leader responsible from the "execution squads" of EOKA, came to him one day in 1964 and told:



"Your Beatitude, here is my project. To attack the Turkish Cypriots on the island, and eliminate them to the last one [5]."



Hmmmm, that one too!

millzer


Joined: 12/04/2007
Posts: 978

Message Posted:
04/05/2009 02:04

on 5 January 1962. On 15 August 1962, in Kykko monastery, Makarios reiterated that Enosis was his aim and said:



"Greek Cypriots must continue to march forward to complete the work began by the EOKA heroes."



Hmmmm, nice people!!

hal9000


Joined: 01/12/2008
Posts: 154

Message Posted:
04/05/2009 17:34

Have a look at http://www.cyprus-forum.com

You won't like what you read, but you will find instructions on how to mount a Denial of Service (DoS) attack on this forum.

But please don't do what DutchCrusader has done and join in their North/South slanging match. It only makes them feel justified in wanting to wipe out everyone north of the Green Line.

millzer


Joined: 12/04/2007
Posts: 978

Message Posted:
04/05/2009 21:59

Strange none of the GC sympathisers appear to want to contribute to this thread!!!!!!!!!!!!



I wonder why, does it have anything to do with messages 15 thru 20

mmmmmm



Joined: 19/12/2008
Posts: 8398

Message Posted:
05/05/2009 00:34

Dear Millzer



re msg 15-20



1/ I thought this was a thread about using Ercan( Tymbou) as opposed to Larnaca or Paphos... not a list of sound bytes from various extremes of previous GC leaders...



2/ Who is a "GC sympathiser" who is left on the board ? - It seems that some members get "upset" at hearing alternative opinions from the majority of folk living on the island !!



3/ I could quote you extreme positions in speeches from the two sides in N. Ireland and from more recent times and point out some controversial statements by Mr Denktash - would this "prove" anything? .. Other than you seek some excuse to keep things as they are... i.e. surreal..

Brinsley


Joined: 04/04/2009
Posts: 6858

Message Posted:
05/05/2009 00:48

Possibility of the boarder crossings closing? Talks off? Thoughts please.



Richard

Cyprusquest


Joined: 09/12/2008
Posts: 428

Message Posted:
05/05/2009 00:54

Brinsley,



Nice thought but the loss of income for Turkish Cypriots who cross daily to work in the South might have a bad effect on an economy that is already in a bad state would it not?

Brinsley


Joined: 04/04/2009
Posts: 6858

Message Posted:
05/05/2009 01:05

Cyprusquest



Selling ones soul? Those workers that do cross & work pay income tax to the 'Bubble & Squeaks'!, VAT on any purchases filters back to Brussels, what great loss for the TRNC?



Richard

Cyprusquest


Joined: 09/12/2008
Posts: 428

Message Posted:
05/05/2009 01:13

I hear that there are also quite a number who supply work on the dark side but on the black labour market with no cover/ national insurance etc. for the Kimilik card holders.



None the less how much is that money helping to keep some families in the North away from poverty?

Brinsley


Joined: 04/04/2009
Posts: 6858

Message Posted:
05/05/2009 02:00

msg 26



Do not understand, is the South as illegal in it's practices as the the North? Looking at the quality and number of up market cars cruising the roads (?) in the TRNC per head of population I think there is relatively little poverty here.



Richard

flightholiday


Joined: 19/07/2007
Posts: 3217

Message Posted:
05/05/2009 12:40

Hi Richard,



Turkish Cypriots - There are some who are rich many who are comfortable and quite a number who are very poor too.



I was first introduced to this with SOS if you would like to find out more contact flowerfairy or teresa who are on the forum both who have been very involved in the project and the villagers. (Search SOS on this bb.) http://www.soscocukkoyu.net/SOS_Children_Village_Association_TRNC_BoardOfDirectors.html



I have no idea how long you have been on the island and if you have had much involvement with the locals so forgive me if I assume most of your time has been amongst "newer" expats. I was “lucky” on my first visit many years ago to see how some locals were living; a family in one room and lucky if they had electricity the families transport was two feet or a donkey none the less clean happy and willing to help a foreigner who was lost. It is very understandable if like many you have missed the needy and seen the rich.



1/2 cont...

flightholiday


Joined: 19/07/2007
Posts: 3217

Message Posted:
05/05/2009 12:52

Hi Richard,



The nice expensive cars are very visible but many locals travel by Dolmus and often still on foot. It is very easy to only see or hear the vocal minorities whether local or expat and not notice the rest, we all do it.



There is poverty in every country and most of us are relatively well off so it is very easy for many expat's and visitors not to see these things as apart from anything else we have our own lives to get on with.



There is another web site that I know of http://www.trncfundraising.com but at this moment it seems to divert elsewhere.





Tom

2/2

chick


Joined: 02/07/2008
Posts: 323

Message Posted:
05/05/2009 17:47

Hi Tom Msgs 28,29



Well said.

The-Wicks


Joined: 27/05/2007
Posts: 2279

Message Posted:
05/05/2009 17:56

Chick - I'll second that. Well said, Tom.



J

mmmmmm



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Posts: 8398

Message Posted:
05/05/2009 18:11

Dear Richard re 23



"Possibility of the boarder crossings closing? Talks off? Thoughts please. "



What is a Boarder?...



1/ I guess you meant "border"... and there aren't any of those in Cyrus - other than the Med ....



2/ The crossing points HAD to open in Apr 2003 - because a TC took Turkey to the ECHR as he didn't recognise the "TRNC" and wished to move freely within Cyprus.. TURKEY would have to pay BIG fines if they closed the crossings ..



3 / ..and then the labour force earning dosh in the "south" might not be too happy, either

DutchCrusader



Joined: 19/05/2008
Posts: 11281

Message Posted:
05/05/2009 18:28

Msg 32, 6xm > "border"... and there aren't any of those in Cyrus <



=> He/she who doesn't recognize the existence of a border in Cyprus does not recognize the existence and legality of the Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus (TRNC). That is a violation of Rule 5 of this Cyprus44 board. The penalty is made utterly clear by board manager Izzet: banning of his/her account.



Here's Rule 5: Freedom of Speech. We respect every member's right to post his/her opinions, on all issues except ones questioning the legality of TRNC. If you do not accept this rule, do not join to the board. Any violations of this rule will result in immediate banning of your account.



Member 6xm has repeatedly qualified for banning (Rule nr. 5). I call on Izzet to take his own rules seriously.

mmmmmm



Joined: 19/12/2008
Posts: 8398

Message Posted:
05/05/2009 19:13

Dear DC,



I refer you to two threads ( "should I be banned") and "beginning of the end, end of the beginning")



I also refer you to your own Govts website( Dutch) and that of the UK / Ireland ,etc



You'll note I raised the matter that I was concerned that by pointing out the "de jure" situation of TRNC" I *AM* breaking this boards rules... :(



I guess you have to decide if the info I post is relevant and / or anti-TC.. I maintain it isn't and I can find you TCs who feel just the same.



Lastly Hans, you might note that in both those threads MOST members - expressing a preference - would rather hear my viewpoints...



What's the matter Hans? Am I making too much "sense"



Tot Ziens

flightholiday


Joined: 19/07/2007
Posts: 3217

Message Posted:
05/05/2009 19:18

32,33,34 PLEASE return to subject or maybe msg's 28/29

DutchCrusader



Joined: 19/05/2008
Posts: 11281

Message Posted:
05/05/2009 19:32

Re msg 34, 6xm: You deny the existence of a border on Cyprus. You write "TRNC" and so doing side with the Greek speaking Cypriots, where this is common practice. You keep machinegunning threads where your point of view - for the umptieth time - is not needed and doing so you are a destructive factor. You influence the mood of the fainthearted on this board, who take your semi-intellectual slogans about future doom and gloom seriously.



All in all you violate Rule 5 of this board. Again: the penalty is clear.



And last but not least: you once started your own board where people could "debate" the (i.e. *your*) Cyprob - you could repeat your slogans there as often as you liked. Revive that board.



PS. Or do you accept the legality of the Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus (KKTC/TRNC)..?

mmmmmm



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Posts: 8398

Message Posted:
05/05/2009 19:47

Dear Hans



re msg 36



just to repeat .. I conform to my respective govts current policy on Cyprus - it is yours, too .



If you want to say that that sides with GCs then I guess the EU / UN / Council of Europe and all UN members - save for TR must be "biased"..



If you think that is being "anti" TC or anti Turkish then that is you being "naughty" .. I simply believe - as do MANY TCs - that the "declaration of independence" has allowed GCs to ( legally ) "bash" TCs and keep them oppressed.



Your know VERY well that if I want to cross the Green Line I have to show ID - ( not my passport) so I "recognise" the "TRNC" in the same way as the ECHR.



I seem to remember you tried a campaign to have me banned from entering the "TRNC"..





PS NO - but I've never denied it...I RAISED my dilemma.



I'm looking for any post of yours that helps members understand the ECJ ruling and a possible defence - or may be suggesting GCs use the IPC, criticising their govt ...

Lilli



Joined: 21/07/2008
Posts: 13081

Message Posted:
05/05/2009 20:27

Hi Tom whilst I understand your principle its not always easy if you are in buisness. We have to go for neccasity as do many other restaurant owners here. Both expats and T/cs alike we see them there all the time. You only have to go to Ikea and the shopping mall to see the number of T/cs shopping there. Th G/cs are happy to take thier money as are the T/cs who love to take the euros when the G/cs come to gamble or shop

Cyprusquest


Joined: 09/12/2008
Posts: 428

Message Posted:
06/05/2009 00:32

Business and principles should meet. If you value your principles enough you will try to make your business work round them. If you do not you will do the reverse.



Lili - I nderstand your feeling. I suspect many of the goods you buy down south could be imported from the UK or Turkey but would your clients be principled enough to be willing to pay a little more for their luxury food & drink.



May be they should accept a little more of the local food as their standard daily fare and only have the specialities for high days and holidays?