Who say's the EU does not need Turkey

TheSaints



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Message Posted:
09/05/2009 01:21

The EU has signed an energy agreement with several countries aimed at developing a "southern corridor" for gas supplies bypassing Russia.



The agreement was signed by the leaders of Azerbaijan, Georgia, Turkey and Egypt at a summit in Prague.

newlad



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Message Posted:
09/05/2009 01:34

Saints,

Of course the e.u. want Turkey on board but so do the middle east who knows which way the pendulum will swing.Exciting times ahead,

Paul.

tommy13


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Message Posted:
09/05/2009 01:43

Turkey will not be joinig EU , i know that for a fact , its just a political european game to get as much concessions from turkey as possible and vice versa , turkey and europe both know this , but playing the game , anyhow my friend who came with his family to cyprus on holiday and stayed with me , is cheif political advisor in the AER (Assembly of european regions) the largest body of the EU , and he told me so , and furthermore read the following recently published my a famous american think tank proffessor , :

tommy13


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Message Posted:
09/05/2009 01:43

[11] US strategist Friedman forecasts that Turkey will rule over the former territories of the Ottoman Empire by 2040

Turkish daily Sabah newspaper (04.03.09) under its front-page title, The new Ottoman is coming", reports that the American strategist George Friedman said that Turkey will come to rule over the former territories of the Ottoman Empire by 2040. The paper writes that Mr Friedman, the chairman and Chief Intelligence Officer of STRATFOR (Strategic Forecasting Inc.), one of the most famous strategic centers in the USA, and known for his closeness with the Pentagon, expressed an interesting forecast. After a period of silence, Turkey has climbed back to the scene of the history and it has begun dominating the region. By its nature, Turkey will become a super power again to enjoy a different kind of rule over its former Ottoman territories, Friedman said.

tommy13


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Message Posted:
09/05/2009 01:44

The book of Mr Friedman with the title The Next 100 Years, which receives coverage in the Turkish press, is covered in Turkish daily Milliyet newspaper (04.03.09) under the title, The founder of a think tank close to the CIA, Friedman: Turkey will not lose its secular character. Speaking to the newspaper, after praising the secular character of the Ottoman Empire, Mr G. Friedman said: The year 2009 will be difficult for everyone, but Turkey will later continue to grow from the point it was left. While European countries will be making steps back from the economic point of view, Turkey, in 2029, and especially in Eastern Europe, Balkans and the Middle East, will become a great economic power.

tommy13


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Message Posted:
09/05/2009 01:46

Speaking to the newspaper, Mr Friedman, who is in Istanbul to attend a conference, stated that by 2020 Turkey will be the tenth most powerful economy worldwide. Referring to the current crisis in relation to the EU and Turkeys accession, Mr Friedman said: Soon you will not feel the need of the European Union. Besides, with the current crisis they have entered into a process of collapse. For this reason Turkey will abandon the integration process with the EU. Because you will not feel the need of this. However, the interest of the Europeans towards Turkey will increase a lot more.

Krawpy


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Message Posted:
09/05/2009 01:47

Turkey makes decisions that suit the interests of Turkey. How amazing!!

I you have travelled mainland Turkey, you will understand the economic considerations which made their agreement pretty much compulsory for their own benefit.

The issue of TRNC is extremely small beer by comparison so maybe you can elucidate about the relevance.

tommy13


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Message Posted:
09/05/2009 01:51

TRNC is in the interets of turkey , has been for the past 800 yrs ... thats why they intervened in 74 and thats why they maintain 40000 troops here . am i missing sumin krawpy?

TheSaints



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Message Posted:
09/05/2009 01:56

Another little snippet from the same report



Key to this meeting was a commitment by Turkey's President Abdullah Gul to sign up to an agreement on the construction of the Nabucco gas pipeline by next month.



In a symbolic gesture, the agreement is to be signed in Turkey, after years of haggling over transit rules.



But Mr Gul also made clear he expected some progress on Turkey's stalled EU membership talks.

newlad



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Message Posted:
09/05/2009 02:15

Saints,

The talks are stalled because Turkey want them to be stalled.They (Turkey) dont give a flying **** about the e.u. as they have bigger fish to fry i.m.o.

Krawpy


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Message Posted:
09/05/2009 02:47

Ther's none so blind as those who wont see is there Saint?? Newlad - well I'll not comment. Your mutual state of denial leads me to believe that you may well have alcohol problems. Enjoy!!

keithr


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Message Posted:
09/05/2009 06:29

Turkey wil neer cede the TRNC. It's their main entry/exit point to the med and the southern areas.Too important to give up strategically.

Troodo


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Message Posted:
09/05/2009 09:31

Oh, so it’s the old you must have a drinking problem gambit, is it? Go home to your GC mummy Krapy and tell her the big boys won’t listen to you.



Troodo.

TheSaints



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Message Posted:
09/05/2009 20:23

Newlad,



Correct Turkey are getting to be bigger players in the energy sector now, what with signing up on the South corridoor deal, Gas pipelines to Europe to bypass Russia, Middle East oil pipelines from Iraq etc, they will call thier own tune when they are ready.



Krawpy, never had a drink for over 3 years oh maybe that's my problem, Denial of what??

you really are of your trolley, keep banging your propoganda drum, your posts are getting more desperate.

newlad



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Message Posted:
09/05/2009 20:31

Saints,

Thats why the yanks are courting Turkey along with other countries they are also placed stratigically well.Thy no that the e.u. want them in so they tease.I see it as touch and go as to which way they(Turkey) jump only time will tell.Dont rise to the bait re-Krawpy he or she is just a wind up merchant who has received a one day ban,

Paul.

Brinsley


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Message Posted:
09/05/2009 20:40

You whingeing Poms, no wonder you are forced to pay £10 for a three month visa visit to Turkey, I am exempt on my NZ passport, must be a favoured race!



Richard

tommy13


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Message Posted:
09/05/2009 20:47

hey nelad , so whats krawpys story , thought he was a bit fishy ?

TheSaints



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Message Posted:
09/05/2009 20:52

Paul,

looks as though we have similar views re Turkey oh and Krawpy.



Richard,

it is only that they do not want to go through the hassle of having to pay a welder double time to burn the lock of your wallet to get the £10. ;-)

newlad



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Message Posted:
09/05/2009 20:59

Saints,

Think you could be right there,shaking a bit havent had any alcohol today but dont tell Krawpy.



Tom,

Not sure mate re- Krawpy he will be back though only received a one day ban.I am all for freedom of speech but when it gets a bit personal it has to be stopped,

Paul.

newlad



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Message Posted:
09/05/2009 21:09

Brinsley,

You Kiwis are as tight as a ducks arse,lol

Brinsley


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Message Posted:
09/05/2009 22:21

msg 20



I like 'A la orange'! See you in the next Rugby final! P***k



Richard

newlad



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Message Posted:
09/05/2009 23:02

Brinsley,

Look forward to it.Chill out matey mess twenty was tongue in cheek,

Paul.

Brinsley


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Message Posted:
09/05/2009 23:10

msg 22



Thanks, but if it is a tongue and cheek 'wind up' please preempt as then the thread can continue in a humorous manner as I personally wish for. No harm intended.



Richard

Turtle


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Message Posted:
09/05/2009 23:14

Tongues and cheeks sounds like a regular meeting with my chairman ?

Brinsley


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Message Posted:
09/05/2009 23:26

I prefer chairwomen!



Richard

newlad



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Message Posted:
09/05/2009 23:55

Richard,This is a tongue in cheek comment,lol give us a kiss,

Paul.

Brinsley


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Message Posted:
10/05/2009 00:44

Sorry Paul cannot do that, I'm not gay but my boyfriend is!



Richard

newlad



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Message Posted:
10/05/2009 01:39

Brinsley,

It was the stroke post that got my back up,

Paul.

Brinsley


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Message Posted:
10/05/2009 02:31

I had a stroke but my partner couldn't reach!



Richard

Stewart


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Message Posted:
10/05/2009 08:56

Dear Saints

Quite agree....The yanks have always courted Turkey...it seems that some EU members ie France do not want Turkey to join the EU due to it's up and coming dominance in the world.



The EU needs Turkey as a "buffer zone" ..



With pipelines from Russia, through Turkey, Cyprus and on to the middle east..the island ( TRNC )is becoming more important than ever.



Water for the whole island will also be piped the from mainland Turkey.



I am sure that i read that a Solar plant is planned for NC to supply electric for the whole island..using EU money.



With ALL future Utilities for the island being controled by Turkey, it is not suprising that GC or the Greek goverment? is clinging on to the property issue...I am not sure what else they can bring to the negotiating table?

Bradus


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Message Posted:
10/05/2009 12:38

The problem with EU money is it only ever gets as far as the ROC.



Turkish money only ever gets as far as the TRNC Government. Ask yourself why there are so many unfinished roads and poor infrastructure.



World over, politicians with noses in troughs.

Moover321


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Message Posted:
10/05/2009 14:09

Well, let's see - the French, Italians, Dutch, Danish, Germans and most of the new Eastern bloc members of the EU.



Each of these countries fear a 'big Muslim' country being in the EU. They are also playing to their local tribes and to their fears and prejuices! If I am not mistaken negotiations for Turkish memebership of the EU started long before all of the new Eastern European EU members. The fact remains everytime Turkey looks like it will meet the EU demands for joining the EU manages to move the goal posts! Now they (the anti-Turkish lobby in the EU) are proposing a special status for Turkey.



It should not surprise anyone that the Turks are now beginning to look at other options and may not consider being part of he EU as benefitial as previously belived! Just as the TRNC Turks agreed to the Annan plan the goal psts were moved and the GC refused! Is it any wonder the Cypriot Turks like their Turkish compatriots believe there is a hidden agenda?

Moover321


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Message Posted:
10/05/2009 14:14

They (the EU) may need Turkey but they don't want it to be a part of the EU! They need Turkey as a bulwark against rising discontent in the midle east! They need it for the oil and gas suppy from the Caspian Sea and the Caucases. They need it as a bridge to the Muslim world with respect to Israel. They need it as the second largest member of NATO after the USA. What they don't want is to allow the Turkish people to be their equal within the EU!

tommy13


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Message Posted:
10/05/2009 17:34

A freind of mine whos a high ranking eu offical said to me , actually turkey in the EU in reality is an impossiblity due the following fact that due to its size and population it would have almost the most seats in parliament making it a senior and one of the most powerful voices i n european affairs , that concept is impossible to swallow for europe that a muslim nation could be in such position , current eu talks are used to gain concessions from each other in terms of foriegn policy and economy etc and not a means to end end , eventually talks will collapse and turkey will go its own way .. thats what he said and he is cheif political advisor to the president of AER ( assembly of european regions )

newlad



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Message Posted:
10/05/2009 17:56

Tommy,

Dont you think that the talks where doomed before they even started.The gcs wont give on anything at all and Talat is stuck between a rock and a hard place and has little or no support from his own people,

Paul.

tommy13


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Message Posted:
10/05/2009 18:10

hey newlad , i think any deal is doomed to failiure with gc;s , for whatever you talk them about for they will never retract from believing that they are the only legitamate rightful soveriegns of the 'greek' island of cyprus , they will never give that up or compromise , they want only gain more