Mediterranean Nightmares

wackyjim



Joined: 04/06/2007
Posts: 760

Message Posted:
18/05/2009 22:33

This Friday on ITV at 8pm....Orams and all us poor suckers under the spotlight , not sure whether I really want to watch it!!!

Dusterbruce


Joined: 03/08/2007
Posts: 1125

Message Posted:
18/05/2009 22:38

I hope a balanced view is put across.

About time the rest of the world knew why the Turkish army intervened.

wackyjim



Joined: 04/06/2007
Posts: 760

Message Posted:
18/05/2009 22:58

Dusterbruce



I doubt very much that they will dwell too deeply on that....the possibilities ( unlikely IMO) of all us brits watching our villas being demolished is a much more juicy storyline for the producers

cronos


Joined: 26/10/2008
Posts: 2093

Message Posted:
18/05/2009 23:13

Jim...is it a programme specifically about property purchase in NC or the Med in general?

westender


Joined: 14/05/2009
Posts: 328

Message Posted:
18/05/2009 23:27

The actual programme advertised for Friday 8pm has been replaced with one called Mediterranean Nightmares and will investigate whether thousands of British could lose their homes in Northern Cyprus following the Orams decision by the ECJ. The blurb has prematurely said that the Orams have been forced to return the land to the original owner so maybe the view will not be very balanced if they cannot get that tiny detail right.

cronos


Joined: 26/10/2008
Posts: 2093

Message Posted:
18/05/2009 23:30

So...the advice would be try to sell your place quickly before Friday ?

nurseawful



Joined: 06/02/2009
Posts: 5934

Message Posted:
18/05/2009 23:31

Wednesday on "This Morning" I believe that Cyprus and title deeds being discussed. Not sure if North or South Cyprus but definately Turkey and the Tapu / Kocan scandal. Check the details out on turkishliving forum

Woodspeckie


Joined: 25/01/2009
Posts: 2263

Message Posted:
18/05/2009 23:34

According to turkishliving forum the programme is on Tuesday, set the recorder anyway for Tues & Wed just in case, I don't usually watch the programme but sounds interesting, a couple on there who have lost a lot of money buying in Turkey, ripped off by the builder, sold their house and contents.

ilovekibris


Joined: 18/05/2009
Posts: 394

Message Posted:
18/05/2009 23:35

cronos msg 66 my thoughts exactly.

ilovecyprus


Joined: 08/05/2007
Posts: 2880

Message Posted:
18/05/2009 23:42

lots of publicity might be good news - increases the pressure for a solution

ilovekibris


Joined: 18/05/2009
Posts: 394

Message Posted:
18/05/2009 23:46

Indeed, ILC.

wackyjim



Joined: 04/06/2007
Posts: 760

Message Posted:
18/05/2009 23:50

ilovecyprus



have to agree with you...we have to stick our heads up from the trenches sometime otherwise we will just keep kidding ourselves that the problem will one day go away...unfortunately I don't think it will, I for one would prefer to know where this is going and once we know that then we can deal with it however bad it may be.

Lilli



Joined: 21/07/2008
Posts: 13081

Message Posted:
19/05/2009 01:34

Oh gorgeous you will win them over. Now seiously can undersand all the pain xxxxxxx

taraspring


Joined: 25/01/2009
Posts: 571

Message Posted:
19/05/2009 01:40

Oh it's not over yet....



I heard (once) that it's not over until the fat lady sings....



I'm sure there will be a fat lady (Judge) at the Court of Appeal, House of Lords, or ECHR.

A long long long long way to go yet.

Nil Desperandum.

The-Wicks


Joined: 27/05/2007
Posts: 2279

Message Posted:
19/05/2009 01:51

All I'm hoping is that none I work with watches any of these programmes. I can't stand the thought of all day being asked:



"Isn't that where you've got a place?"



said with smug grins.



J

taraspring


Joined: 25/01/2009
Posts: 571

Message Posted:
19/05/2009 01:58

J



Take the upper hand.

Well you could always say to them..... At least I have a place in the sun, go for lovely holidays, flash the picci's around, and tell them not to believe everything they read in the press....

ozzieTC


Joined: 15/05/2009
Posts: 48

Message Posted:
19/05/2009 05:54

The gc propaganda machine rolls on. If anyone knows if it can be downloaded somewhere, please post the details, I would be very interested.

NatAless



Joined: 31/03/2009
Posts: 789

Message Posted:
19/05/2009 08:03

Thanks for that.. Haved asked my family to tape it back home and I go there for a wk on Sunday so if it's not available online I should be able to bring back for people to watch, will let you know

Natx

elko2



Joined: 24/07/2007
Posts: 4400

Message Posted:
19/05/2009 09:53

The media is always after sensation. There is a very long way to go yet with the Orams and so far Greek Cypriots never had any joy from UK courts, so wait and see, nothing will change. Even if Orams lose the case in UK too, it will be impossible for the Greek Cypriots to engage in similar actions on a mass scale. It will be most counterproductive for them. First it costs a lot of money that they cannot afford and secondly, they will realize that the end result is much more worse than what it is now i.e. mainland Turks with some money after a good bargain will rush in and buy up the villas for a pittance. Is this what the Greek Cypriots want? I would say that is the last thing. The Greek Cypriots often do thinks without thinking it through and then they are sorry.



Whare has all that British fighting spirit gone? Oh, just one small note: Judge Phillips of Court of Appeal stated that his parents had a house in north Cyprus but he sold it after they died and asked the sides if this situation would bother them. Both sides said no and he carried on. Would the Greek Cypriot Judge on ECJ do the same decent thing and ask if it bothered anybody the fact that at one time he was the Minister of Interior in south Cyprus? Please no bets on this one.

ismet

ilovecyprus


Joined: 08/05/2007
Posts: 2880

Message Posted:
19/05/2009 10:55

wackyjim



You are right to want to know where this is going



This is not just about the Orams, this is also about the European courts reach in to the fibre and soul of the UK. Many brits (especially labour politicians) will quite happily throw us to the wolves, but an Englishmans home is his castle (and you jocks too ) and if a court in Europe can reach in to the very fabric and heart of our country then a few alarm bells will start ringing.



In any case, as Ismet says there is a long way to go.

ozzieTC


Joined: 15/05/2009
Posts: 48

Message Posted:
19/05/2009 13:10

iovecyprus: to my limited understanding, the UK population is one of the more euroskeptic in the EU. The average person on the street does not want the EU tentacles slowly creeping into their daily lives. However, there are massive vested business interests that benefit from the EU legal framework. They will argue: if the British courts don't respect EU court rulings, then how can we expect EU courts to respect British court rulings, and consequently, how can we protect our massive investments and business dealings elsewhere in the EU?



The case of Iceland illustrates how quickly public opinion can change in a crisis - Iceland was adamantly never going to be an EU member because they were better off outside the EU and the eurozone. When their economy and banking system collapsed, all of a sudden they were more than happy to trade a large part of their sovereignty and give up their currency for the financial assistance and economic stability being tied to the EU provides.

eager


Joined: 23/02/2007
Posts: 1272

Message Posted:
19/05/2009 13:37

This Morning ITV, has just shown an interview with a couple who's apartment has been sold to someone else without them knowing anything about it !! Spent 8k on furniture. Had the apartment for a while and had 3 holidays in it, but Tapu had'nt been issued. Now the builder has sold it again, the new owners have since sold off all of their furniture.

ilovecyprus


Joined: 08/05/2007
Posts: 2880

Message Posted:
19/05/2009 15:14

msge 21 - astute piece Ozzie, you seem well informed

ozzieTC


Joined: 15/05/2009
Posts: 48

Message Posted:
19/05/2009 15:28

ilovecyprus: Thank you kindly. I try to keep informed, although it is quite difficult to know who to believe.



Following on from the Iceland example, from what I read, things are becoming rather grim in the UK, in particular the 'big end of town' (banking, finance, etc). I feel that much of the euroskepticism of the UK population was because they were doing better than the rest of the EU financially. The economic position of the UK with respect to the EU seems to have been reversed of late, and although I'm sure the UK won't quite go the way of Iceland, they may well decide that it's in their best interests to cozy up to the EU more than they have been.



It also seems that a change of government in the UK is imminent - do you have any ideas how the Tories will approach the UK-Turkey-TRNC-EU relationship?

elko2



Joined: 24/07/2007
Posts: 4400

Message Posted:
19/05/2009 15:35

Ozzie,

Historically the Tories have always been more favourable to Turkish Cypriots. The Labour seems to be under constant influence of Greek Cypriot fanatics.

ismet

ilovecyprus


Joined: 08/05/2007
Posts: 2880

Message Posted:
19/05/2009 15:51

Hi Ozzie



Europe as a whole is probably not in good shape financially. It seems that continental Europe is suffering more than the crunch than we are. You know there is an issue if Germany is suffering.

Germanys economy has been falling rapidly for the last four quarters, resulting in a year on year decline of 6.9%. This compares to a decline in the UK of 4.2%.



Germany's problems are it's reliance on exports (no one is buying it's cars), rental housing market, it's lending to Central Europe and the Balkans (which are about to go bankrupt) and it's monetary inflexibility as it is tied to the Euro.



Looks like Germany is going to have to guarantee the debts of all its partners in Europe or they will all sink together.

Amber


Joined: 26/09/2008
Posts: 561

Message Posted:
19/05/2009 17:01

Hi Eager,



Message 22 - was this couples property in TRNC??



Thanks

NatAless



Joined: 31/03/2009
Posts: 789

Message Posted:
19/05/2009 19:24

http://www.itv.com/Lifestyle/ThisMorning/features/Buyingabroad/default.html

jock1



Joined: 06/01/2008
Posts: 3786

Message Posted:
19/05/2009 19:39

to this wackyjim character, you are such a doom and gloom guy, it's no wonder they call you jimmy no mates, i suppose you follow your local football team and annoy the other 3 supporters about buying a house in north Cyprus, i for one would like to meet up with you, when you come over and participate in a beverage of your choice and discuss the economic situation about a place called Fintry....

sloan



Joined: 24/02/2009
Posts: 808

Message Posted:
19/05/2009 19:46

Have just watched the recorded This morning programme. 'Expert' advised only buying pre-1974 Turkish title.

wackyjim



Joined: 04/06/2007
Posts: 760

Message Posted:
19/05/2009 19:57

Jock behave yourself...how dare you talk about the famous dark blues fans like that,I was hoping to sell my villa on a timeshare to these guys so just you wheeesht the noo. Ahh... Fintry an exclusive gated community area in Bonnie Dundee no far frae Kirkton where all the real worthies bide I can just see us sitting beside the pool under a starry sky a beer in hand with a tear in the eye talking about good old home!!

Lilli



Joined: 21/07/2008
Posts: 13081

Message Posted:
19/05/2009 20:01

Jock leave wacky alone. He does not need football talk with his dashing good looks. I have to protect him after all he is featured in my next novel. How are you sorry i missed you last week. Lord and lady made it in next day xxxxxx

ilovekibris


Joined: 18/05/2009
Posts: 394

Message Posted:
19/05/2009 20:11

msg 30 "Have just watched the recorded This morning programme. 'Expert' advised only buying pre-1974 Turkish title."



This has been standard advice for decades those who ignore it, sad though it is, only have themselves to blame.



This couple are £90K down because they handed over money for a property without even having the kocan. Hundreds of people have been doing this in the TRNC. How mad is that?

wackyjim



Joined: 04/06/2007
Posts: 760

Message Posted:
19/05/2009 20:29

Thanks Lilli...a man needs a good friend in times like these!!!!!

simbas



Joined: 16/07/2007
Posts: 5943

Message Posted:
19/05/2009 20:44

Why do you need a friend when you have got me George ! or have you forgotten me already ? i'm hurting George , really hurting , mentally and emotionally . Next time i see that bloody Donkey tied up outside Guido's , i'm cutting him loose !!!

kibrissibel


Joined: 18/02/2008
Posts: 562

Message Posted:
19/05/2009 20:47

After talking to the Oram's, the ITV crew came to the Pia Bella, but unfortunately they didn't want to hear from anyone about the history of the "Cyprus Problem" or why we are now in this situation due to the GC's hell bent obsession with Enosis and Genocide of the Turkish Cypriots. Munur Doratli, legal advisor to the new government was there to talk about the original Ottoman Turkish Title deeds, which are pertinent to this case, but they did not want to talk to him. Donald Crawford, Ex QC and founder of Eupro was there, but they did not want to talk to him. In short, they wanted to sensationalize the Oram's case and wanted to hear that people were running round like headless chickens. The camera man thought that the Turkish Cypriots had only been on the Island since 1974, and the sound man was Simon Bhaceli, (I believe an Armenian Cypriot) who writes for the Cyprus Mail in the South. Unsurprisingly, he didn't advertise that fact prior to us discovering this. So, yes, it will be bias

kibrissibel


Joined: 18/02/2008
Posts: 562

Message Posted:
19/05/2009 20:52

Ismet said "Would the Greek Cypriot Judge on ECJ do the same decent thing and ask if it bothered anybody the fact that at one time he was the Minister of Interior in south Cyprus? Please no bets on this one."



How true! Why wasn't this fact raised by the Oram's legal team?

wackyjim



Joined: 04/06/2007
Posts: 760

Message Posted:
19/05/2009 21:21

Pat



How could I do that to you....a woman scorned is a scary thing...I promise to behave myself when I go back to NC next week!!



G.x

canyavuz


Joined: 22/02/2009
Posts: 363

Message Posted:
20/05/2009 00:02

Please, all TRNC home owners, STOP CRYING!

Nothing is going to happen to your damn properties. The Turkish forces are not stupid to allow GC settlement into the North, which is why your land will not be given back to the so called previous owner.

If anything, they may demand compensation from you, which will be paid by the government to the previous owner.

If their is somebody living on the land, if their is a home on the land or if the land is being used in any way (crops etc), the land will not be given back.



Please, just STOP CRYING!

cronos


Joined: 26/10/2008
Posts: 2093

Message Posted:
20/05/2009 00:18

canyavuz......can you guarantee this ?



And...how does a TRNC guarantee differ from a real guarantee ?

simbas



Joined: 16/07/2007
Posts: 5943

Message Posted:
20/05/2009 09:47

Just bear that in mind George !

Pat x

eastender


Joined: 05/06/2009
Posts: 1

Message Posted:
06/06/2009 00:17

personally, my parents lost their land in the north following the 1974 invasion and it hurts real bad not being able to go back to where your roots are from. my grandparents lost their land and we cannot even go back to our village to claim it. its the people like us who suffer mentally over this sad situation. what is important is to think about those who have suffered loss of their land, their heritage and roots NOT politics. as for foreigners buying 'greek cypriot own land', they should have checked this out legally before parting with their money. obviously, the land does not belong to the turkish cypriots for them to have the right to sell it in the first place. would we brits buy land in the south if it was owned by turkish cypriots and there were no correct title deeds? i do not think so. its up to the british and american government to help sort this mess out. 35 years of pain is just too much.

Lilli



Joined: 21/07/2008
Posts: 13081

Message Posted:
06/06/2009 00:45

you are so right eastender 35 years is so very long. It must be hard not to be able to reclaim your past. we alll hope for a solution.it was bad enough in ireland but nowhere like this. at least they can travel and live freely. some may have deep rooted pain but most are moving on for the sake of the new generations x

wynyardman



Joined: 15/12/2007
Posts: 4580

Message Posted:
06/06/2009 01:02

canyavus,



I care not about Mediterranean nightmares. This wackyjim and Jock characters are truly frightening dudes.



Would you meet for a pint when I am next in the TRNC. There must be someone with a balanced outlook on life,



that likes a pint, out there. Anyway if the are scotsmen you would probably have to buy their drink! That Lilli and Pat sound too



lustful to me!



wynge

jock1



Joined: 06/01/2008
Posts: 3786

Message Posted:
06/06/2009 13:07

Aahh wyn, what more could a man ask, a bevy of beauties ad of course also a bevy.......

cronos


Joined: 26/10/2008
Posts: 2093

Message Posted:
06/06/2009 13:22

Eastender....it is a tragic state of affairs for both sides,both GC and TC who have fled land/property and suffered pain for 35 years.



You referred to losing land rather than property.....it would be much more tragic I'm sure if a family home was lost.



Have your parents/grandparents been happy for the last 35 years with the property they were given in the south?

andre 514


Joined: 31/03/2008
Posts: 1163

Message Posted:
06/06/2009 21:56

cronos,



you agree with me there will not be a "deal" at all without compromise?

and the north/turkey will just not compromise on security, never ever ever...

meanwhile the south continue in denial, as it is called, for reasons of their own

and must accept either cash in liue; or get nothing at all (my preferred option)



while in their world-view the gc's are "reluctant" to acknowledge any debt to tc's



please cease your hand-wringing I will throw up in a minute:

we already had a rollicking for pretending we care more about the tc's than our own interests

and downer said recently the united nations has no "compensation" money to give to the gc's

since the un had many far more urgent concerns eg where people are bombed and starving



the one-sided codswallop on itv friday? "I'll huff and I'll puff and..."

wynyardman



Joined: 15/12/2007
Posts: 4580

Message Posted:
06/06/2009 22:01

Jock,



You filthy beast!!!



I have challenged AJ to a duel on "the Lapta strip" Can I rely on you and wackyjim to act as my seconds?



Nah! I thought not.! It matters not! I can take all comers!



wyn