Hollie Steel, Britains got talent

britvic



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Message Posted:
30/05/2009 09:32

Hollie Steel, that poor child broke down at the beginning of her song, the strain for a 10 year old is clearly too much! However what would you do if you were her parents, on the one hand it's her dream, on the other the stress is too much.

She was given a second chance and is now through to the final tonight.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7w3whCXwZTM



P.S If anyone wants to see her second chance let me know.

Vicki

No1Doyen


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Message Posted:
30/05/2009 10:28

Another 'pushy' mum! The kid will have psychological problems when she gets older.

Pixie


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Message Posted:
30/05/2009 10:49

me I want to!

britvic



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Message Posted:
30/05/2009 11:16

Just for you Pixie, here's Hollie's second chance.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KUcGd9QP7rY

Pixie


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Message Posted:
30/05/2009 11:20

thankyou, shes such a gorgeous little girl, really broke my heart when she started crying...

britvic



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Message Posted:
30/05/2009 11:26

It broke my heart too, but my very sceptical other half said "She's very good at that, I wonder if her Mum tought her how to turn the tears on?"



Men!

dizzycows


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Message Posted:
30/05/2009 11:33

Little Holly's breakdown last night made me feel real bad. My own reaction would have been to get my kid off!

Dont know what would have been the right way, just I felt very uncomfortable after her breakdown and feel very uncomfortable regarding her going on, plus is she going to feel so much pressure IF she gets through to preform infront of the Queen and again breaks down, could we all be encouraging child abuse??? dont know, lol x

britvic



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Message Posted:
30/05/2009 12:03

Morning Glady's, That is exactly what I thought, if she breaks down here, what will happen with the pressure of going in front of the Queen, I feel that the judges had no option but to put her through, no one want's a crying child on their hands.

cronos


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Message Posted:
30/05/2009 12:08

Maybe I'm too cynical.....but kids can be very manipulative.....and stage school kids are even better at it.

britvic



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Message Posted:
30/05/2009 12:10

Crono's, after the second chance, the crying started again, only there were no tears! Hmmm?

mmmmmm



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Message Posted:
30/05/2009 12:15

Cringe-worthy



Just turned over and saw her break down in tears and distress - train crash TV - big style.. :(

dizzycows


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Message Posted:
30/05/2009 12:20

Morning britvic, just do not know how a mum or the judges come to that, could encourage her to go on!! perhaps in a couple of years she will be more able to overcome her nerves, but at this present time, I have my grave doupts for her and some of these kids that dont win.

I have always encouraged competition in my own kids, but I am at a loss to know what would be the best way forward for that little girl. lol x

dizzycows


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Message Posted:
30/05/2009 12:41

Just a thought again, the parenting of today seems to encourage kids to want every thing even if its not good in the long run. Once parents would have said, no, I dont think you should carry on, in fact, no you are NOT going to carry on. Its a situation where kids rule again, perhaps this is why schools, etc have a problem, the parents cannot put security into the kids lifes any more, a give-in society. Just my own thoughts,lol x

britvic



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Message Posted:
30/05/2009 12:57

All I know is, if it was my child I would have been on that stage quicker than lightning, BEFORE she got in that state, after all you could see and hear what was happening before she broke down.

TimothyCadman


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Message Posted:
30/05/2009 13:43

This really opens the flood gates to all who make a cock up on the night. You'll get a second chance.

The girl fluffed it and that should have been it.

I myself have appeared at many Music Festivals as an adult and as a child. We got one chance. If it worked it worked. If it didn't we were marked down accordingly.

Simon Cowell gets his way again by giving her a second chance, knowing that she would get the British Public sympathy vote. It really was the decision of the Producer and Director on the night as to what could happen. They said no, but in the end gave in because of Simon Cowell. I just hope that Syco Productions are now fined for allowing their programme to over run by 3 minutes thus making the News At Ten the News At Five Past Ten!

phylray



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Message Posted:
30/05/2009 13:49

Another pushy Mum. Too much for that little girl, it was distressing.

No, she was not "putting it on"

Had a friend once whose mother used to pinch her all the way home

if she didn't win at music festivals. She was very good too, but didn't

become a concert pianist - married and had lots of kids!

britvic



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Message Posted:
30/05/2009 13:50

My favourite 'fluffed' it too, and he knew it, didn't ask for a second chance though.



Greg Pritchard



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EeL-G4oX06Q

dizzycows


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Message Posted:
30/05/2009 13:50

Hi TimothyCadman, yes you are right of course, we watched something that went against all decent morality.

As I said, give in, ah, poor kid, but reap what ye sow later!! lol x

Quarmby


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Message Posted:
30/05/2009 15:11

I have never read such pathetic moronic comments from most of you, the armchair morons are at it again. Well done Hollie you have more spirit than this lot, good luck in the Final, you deserve it.

The-Wicks


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Message Posted:
30/05/2009 15:19

Have just read in the Daily Mail's supplement that Hollie Steel, according to her mother "is a sensitive little child.............. she has to have encouragement before she thinks she's good...................I've decided not to let her watch any of the other performers because, if she does, she'll think she's rubbish...........................Since she's been on the show things have got better at school................she'd been having problems with a couple of girls................being bullied..................etc.etc.



And the icing on the cake? "We want her to get some sort of record deal and release an album"



I rest my case.

J

Lilli



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Message Posted:
30/05/2009 15:28

Well it appears thats Susan Boyle if finding the pressure to much also xxxx

dizzycows


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Message Posted:
30/05/2009 15:30

We may be 'pathetic moronics' in your eyes, but you need to ask yourself if you like to see weeping ten year olds who in most 'grown up' eyes should have been pulled out and not made to humiliate herself or given into. There were much better kids that were not given another chance. One rule for one, just like our M.P.s! It starts a president again to those who want something, and 'I will have'.

Quarmby, I have spoken with a lot of mums/dads this morning and they feel the same as most as the posts on here! lol x

dizzycows


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Message Posted:
30/05/2009 15:51

Hi The-Wicks, yes agree with you, sensitive kids and all that, parents have a responcibility that is sadly lacking in a lot these days. lol x

The-Wicks


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Message Posted:
30/05/2009 16:07

I think it's very irresponsible for these parents to push their children like this. If anyone has stood on the sidelines of a kids football match and heard some of the fathers screeching at their kids, I'm sure lots of parents would find it absolutely cringe-making.



I think the most pathetic thing is that, in my opinion, it's parents trying to live their lives through their children.



J

nico44


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Message Posted:
30/05/2009 16:27

I feel sorry for the mum because she has a sensitive child with a huge talent who wants this dream so does she say no and be resented in years to come or try and help her child to achieve her dreams. We can all sit in judgement but that buisness is a tough one to get into and at least Holly was brave enough to go back a second time and pull it off.

The-Wicks


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Message Posted:
30/05/2009 16:31

nico44 - I think we'll have to agree to disagree. 'Huge' talent? I personally don't think so; I think she's a cute little girl with a decent voice, but I would say I've seen and heard better, and, on this particular show. Still, it would be a funny old world if we all liked the same things



J

No1Doyen


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Message Posted:
30/05/2009 16:40

She's a good little actress and her mum is a manipulator.

The-Wicks


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Message Posted:
30/05/2009 16:46

Bill - totally agree with you on this.



J

nico44


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Message Posted:
30/05/2009 16:47

lol wicks quite honestly " Its only a game show " and as you said every one has an opinion and next week it will be something else . But having my own talented child in sports I have seen it all and he had to cope with it and get on with it and it has made him a lot stronger in character hes learnt to fight for it or loose it but the most important thing is he had to learn how to loose before he could win. I have never pushed him just helped him ( and payed lol) so who knows wicks !!!

nico44


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Message Posted:
30/05/2009 16:53

bring back corpral punishment lol

The-Wicks


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Message Posted:
30/05/2009 17:01

nico44 - I do take your point, but there is a difference between 'encouraging' and 'pushing'. I assume your son/daughter competed on an "even playing field" - no pun intended - against his/her peers? I very much agree with competition. I think it inspires children on. However, I think this instance is completely different. If a grown woman like Susan Boyle is feeling the pressure, albeit, only a game show, how would you say a 'sensitive' child (as her mother says) will take it if/when she loses? Life teaches us some harsh lessons, but this kiddie is only 10 - she hasn't yet had time to realise that "you win some, you lose some" and then you move on.



It's just a difference of opinion.



J

dizzycows


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Message Posted:
30/05/2009 17:04

Ok, we all have talent, and Id like a bit more please, how doooo you get those smiley faces, as this dumbo dont know, lol x

nico44


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Message Posted:
30/05/2009 17:18

wicks i agree with you with most of what you say and it is just a difference of opinions. my lad was 10 when he started his sport and no it wasnt an even playing field, he also was bullied the point i was trying to make is that Holly has more grit than appears behind the tears and i think her mum knows this she seems a very determined child and proved this by doing it perfectly the second time . and Susan Boyle has a disorder bless her i think anyone would be pressured under those curcumstrances so wicks we do as you suggested agree to disagree on some of the points nic

The-Wicks


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Message Posted:
30/05/2009 17:21

Nic - fair enough



Jean

The-Wicks


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Message Posted:
30/05/2009 17:23

dizzycows - you need to press the colon key - next to the letter 'L' and then press the bracket key - this one ).



So, put on your shift lock and then depress : followed by ). It won't show up until your message is posted.



J

annie


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Message Posted:
30/05/2009 17:53

If the little girl was really as distressed as she appeared she should not be put through it again no matter what she says, at only ten she will have plenty more opportunities to display her talent which is not as good yet as it may be anyway when she is a little older and she will with a loving cuddle get over her disappointment I’m sure.



If her distress was brought on by the fact that she felt she messed up and wanted to have another try then we really should not encourage that either.



If it was planned just to start this sort of sympathy vote equally that is wrong.



Therefore I cannot see why she went through knocking out a young man that does have an unusual talent even though through inexperience did mess up a bit on the night. He would have been justified in stamping his feet and crying being knocked out as he was by a distressed child but we would not have accepted that as okay!!

halffull


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Message Posted:
30/05/2009 17:55

Why did she get a second chance? No one else did!

Tears? real or effect?(They Worked!)

Pressure? can't take it!(Get out of the kitchen comes to mind)

Pushy Mum? definitely, she is also an actress, daughter recognised her from some soap! (Good job Mummy stopped the tamtrum developing or she would have lost the sympathy vote!!)

Should she be in the final? NO!NO! NO!

But she certainly knew how to get the sympathy vote and Simon is a sucker for kids!! (Should get some of his own!)

Sunnycee


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Message Posted:
30/05/2009 18:41

;) just testing

The-Wicks


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Message Posted:
30/05/2009 18:45

Sunnycee - congratulations!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



Jean

britvic



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Message Posted:
30/05/2009 18:45

Ha, ha, Sunnycee, you do have a talent.

britvic



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Message Posted:
30/05/2009 18:52

So come on then, who will win tonight? Hmmm, Susan Boyle? I hope not, I would like to see Aiden Davis, like Simon said he has 'it'.



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6HJAnrwCRyU

dizzycows


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Message Posted:
30/05/2009 18:53

just testing

britvic



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Message Posted:
30/05/2009 18:59

Well done Glady's! But who's going to win tonight?

Arthur


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Message Posted:
30/05/2009 19:00

Err......................who cares?

dizzycows


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Message Posted:
30/05/2009 19:08

Oh thanks so much, Iv got talent now, always thought you all so clever doing those smiley faces, so easy peasy, lol x

No1Doyen


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Message Posted:
30/05/2009 20:24

I want the clarinet bloke to win, he's got real talent. You didn't see him cry, or his mum run up on the stage.

The-Wicks


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Message Posted:
30/05/2009 20:31

Bill - I've changed my mind. I did want one of the dance troupes to win but now I really hope 'the clarinet bloke' wins - especially if he plays the saxophone!



Jean

No1Doyen


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Message Posted:
30/05/2009 20:33

Jean are you sure it's a sax? Looked like a clarinet to me! Then again my eyes are not all that lately

The-Wicks


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Message Posted:
30/05/2009 20:38

Bill - I'm not sure now. You've planted the seeds of doubt! Don't get me started on 'eyesight (or lack of it) in middle-aged people"



Jean

Hector


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Message Posted:
30/05/2009 20:43

In my best Yorkshire accent 'At 10 I was sent down mine....



Now why does everyone (not just 10 year olds) who takes part in these 'talent' (I use the word loosely) shows cry all the time? 'It's my greatest ambition' boo hoo; It's all I ever dreamed of ...boo hoo

The-Wicks


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Message Posted:
30/05/2009 20:46

Hector - I agree - wish they'd get over themselves...boo hoo



J

taraspring


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Message Posted:
30/05/2009 20:54

They have just announced "one chance only". Good. But I think it's shutting the stable door etc.......



Why are Ant, Dec, and Piers wearing black ties?

The-Wicks


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Message Posted:
30/05/2009 21:34

Breaking News - Hollie made it through without breaking down. Simon, in best grovelling mode, has just told her she's fantastic.



J

The-Wicks


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Message Posted:
30/05/2009 21:39

Stavros Flatley - absolutely brilliant. And the Dad is a right comical sod!



They were on with some Irish Dancers. The Dad is so out of breath he can hardly speak.



Soooooooooooooooooooo funny!



Jean

No1Doyen


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Message Posted:
30/05/2009 21:45

And fatley said he thinks Simon has a bit of Greek in him! He certainly will if fatley wins. ))

The-Wicks


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Message Posted:
30/05/2009 21:47

Actually Bill, many years ago.............................no, I'm not going there!!



Jean

No1Doyen


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Message Posted:
30/05/2009 22:03

Calm down Jean......... )

Sunnycee


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Message Posted:
30/05/2009 22:15

Jean

is a SAXAPHONE !! (only know cos he just said so -the bloke that plays it that is)

sc

No1Doyen


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Message Posted:
30/05/2009 22:20

I thought saxophones had a curve at the end. I bow to Jeans superior knowledge of instruments )

The-Wicks


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Message Posted:
30/05/2009 22:31

Bill - I really don't know to what you are referring here My knowledge of instruments is very limited



Jean

No1Doyen


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Message Posted:
30/05/2009 22:38

Jean, well you can certainly tell the difference between a saxophone and a clarinet. )

phylray



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Message Posted:
30/05/2009 23:02

We sang the two songs Susan sang last two weeks, in a choir I

was in (until it had to fold) and they are not easy to sing, I can tell you.

But they are beautiful, and she knows what suits her, and how to sing them.

I do agree about Holly's 2nd chance depriving that young talented singer (even

if Simon couldn't make him out) but it seems Simon calls the shots!

the butler


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Message Posted:
30/05/2009 23:03

Hi all,



Just to let you all in to the secret, it is an electric saxaphone hence the shape and yes I think he should win.







The butlers wife

RedSnapper


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Message Posted:
30/05/2009 23:22

Bizarre as ever, this forum gets more comment and interest on a 10 y.o talent contestant than many current Cypriot issues!!!

No1Doyen


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Message Posted:
30/05/2009 23:26

Thanks the Butlers Wife. I agree he's fantastic - I'll definately download his album when he makes one.

halffull


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Message Posted:
30/05/2009 23:32

Wont be long before we know the result nly minutes to go

No1Doyen


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Message Posted:
30/05/2009 23:35

And the winner is Simon Cowell for pocketing another £5 million.

britvic



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Message Posted:
31/05/2009 00:03

..............................Diversity........................Win!!! Yeah!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MPcGy77Gru8