greek property search

robwils


Joined: 31/05/2009
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Message Posted:
31/05/2009 19:56

Is it practical to do a search in the south to see if a property in the north has GC deeds and, if so, who holds them?

cronos


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Message Posted:
31/05/2009 20:01

Rob....are you wanting to check which GC actually owns some esdeger property,or are you curious as to whether property listed as Pre-74 Turkish Title IS actually that ?

Lilli



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Message Posted:
31/05/2009 20:04

cronos my friend be careful i think they are out in force tonight xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx

cronos


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Message Posted:
31/05/2009 20:06

hahaha....don't worry Lilli,I'm just baiting my hook and playing the game !

robwils


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Message Posted:
02/06/2009 06:18

Thanks Arbee & Cronos .

Yes, I'd like to check some property which I have been told is esdeger to see if a GC holds deeds for it.



If I have a site plan is it practical for me to wander in to the Tapu Dairesiat Saray Önü and find that out?



This is a genuine question, I'm not trying to make any points or annoy anyone.



If I could find that out, would it be practical to approach the GC and ask if he would sell his rights.



Does anyone undertake that sort of search?



It seems that if you held both GC and TC deeds for a property it would be uncontroversially yours.

Carrot


Joined: 06/05/2009
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Message Posted:
02/06/2009 09:18

Robwils,

Interesting thoughts. Would like to hear how this develops.

robwils


Joined: 31/05/2009
Posts: 5

Message Posted:
02/06/2009 10:17

Thanks Carrot, me to.

Please do not hijack this thread with moral issues. It is a straightforward property search question.

If its been answered before can someone direct me to the thread?

Trudy


Joined: 25/05/2009
Posts: 369

Message Posted:
02/06/2009 10:59

what about the pre 1974 foreign ownership title deeds? Correct me if im wrong but i dont believe they were owned by "greek speaking cypriots" ??

tommy13


Joined: 29/04/2009
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Message Posted:
02/06/2009 11:00

so was all of turkey ... they should give turkey back aswell ...

Trudy


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Message Posted:
02/06/2009 11:05

Sorry Tommy didnt understand your answer?! You werent having a dig at me were you??!!!

tommy13


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Message Posted:
02/06/2009 11:16

no trudy , message was for Sotos , re.mess. 10

Trudy


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Message Posted:
02/06/2009 11:21

Ah ok!! Im a bit slow this morning!

tommy13


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Message Posted:
02/06/2009 11:27

Your message 11. is correct trudy , but depends how far you want to go back ,, all pre 1700 american title deeds were athabaskan speaking apaches, all pre 1453 istnabul deeds are greek speaking byzantuims , pre 100 ad title deads in london were latin speaking romans , i guess ownership must happen after a certain amount of time passes by , i dont know ,, its all greek to me . all i know is i want to find a great peice of land to build my dream villa on and i will buy it in the turkish republic of northern cyprus from a turkish cypriot who has ownership and the title deeds of it issued by the ruling government fo TRNC . I recognise no other

tommy13


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Message Posted:
02/06/2009 11:30

the point im making is buying in Istanbul or almost any other place in the world could carry the same argument as sotos mentioned ...

tommy13


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Message Posted:
02/06/2009 11:30

sorry robwills , didnt mean to go of your thread

Trudy


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Message Posted:
02/06/2009 11:37

Yes i suppose thats true Tommy i wouldnt have thought about it like that. Its all a little confusing to me and i dont know too much about history however if i were ever to buy, i would have the same attitude as you and only buy from a turkish cypriot who has ownership and deeds, that much i do know!



Anyway yes Robwills, apologies!! Thread may continue... !

fire starter


Joined: 19/06/2008
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Message Posted:
02/06/2009 15:01

the title reference for the village books in the south is the same on the kochan here as it is there, its an ordenance survey reference.

you will also need to have the name of the village as it was before 74, the greek name for it.

then you maybe able to find out.

p.s the village title books pre 74 are held in an office just down a bit from the main land registry office in nicosia.

Moover321


Joined: 11/04/2009
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Message Posted:
02/06/2009 20:43

Tommy - if you find more than that piece of land owned by a TC per your message 16:



" all i know is i want to find a great peice of land to build my dream villa on and i will buy it in the turkish republic of northern cyprus from a turkish cypriot who has ownership and the title deeds of it issued by the ruling government fo TRNC . I recognise no other..."



Let me know - I'd be looking for the same! Who knows we could be neighbours lol ))

Moover321


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Message Posted:
02/06/2009 20:53

It might be worth a try Rob - but apart from the bureaucratic nightmare - you will still have to deal with two 'legal systems' and of course you will probably have to deal with the emotional aspect of the response of the GC to the current situation.



It might be a novel approach but I am not sure if it is as practical as it sounds! Noneteless, good luck with it!



It may be far easier to find a pre-1974 Turkish or foreign owned land in the north. You may pay a premium for it - but it is in all probalility going to work out a lot less than paying twice for the same land!



You will also have the issue of how to 'value' the land with respect to the GC owner! Can't say it will be easy!



Let us know how you progress - would be interested to know the outcome of your hard leg work!

robwils


Joined: 31/05/2009
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Message Posted:
03/06/2009 20:51

Can it really be that no-one has ever tried this?



It seems possible that a GC faced with some nice cash might well accept it - certainly it seems worth a try.



Is it definitely the case that such a seach can be done by anyone by simply going to the GC government department with a map?

robwils


Joined: 31/05/2009
Posts: 5

Message Posted:
04/06/2009 12:07

Can anyone give more detailed directions to get to the Tapu Dairesiat Saray Önü (Land Registry Office) in Nicosia which is aparently "situated close to the US Embassy not far from Nicosia racecourse" for the information you require.



Can anyone confirm it is possible to simply wander in with a map and find out the name of the GC name on deeds (if Esdeger).



No political points or answers please, only practical ones.

Thanks

fire starter


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Message Posted:
04/06/2009 13:54

robwils.

just approach them as you are looking to buy and that you want to check if the land ownership pre 1974.

as you wouldn't want to by disputed gc land and you don't trust the tc estate agent.

as long as the kochan isn't in your name i think you should be ok?

(we did this but have pre 74 turkish title)

stick a search into google and you should find details of the land office in nicosia, then search for a map of nicosia, then hopefully you will find your way.

sorry i am rubbish with directions.

mmmmmm



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Message Posted:
04/06/2009 17:07

Dear Sotos



re msg 10



Well done... for nearly a year I TRY and put both sides of the argument and you come out with:



>>all land in the north was owned by Greek speaking Cypriots did you not know this by now ?<<



We both know that your comment marks you out as either :



1/ Deliberately misleading - attempting to wind folk up



2/ None too smart..



Approx: 70% - 80% of land in "TRNC" is still registered to GCs - where you hoping to "influence" things on here or "prove" to the "northies" that all GCs are "greedy".... ?

kavenkoy


Joined: 10/04/2008
Posts: 1787

Message Posted:
05/06/2009 08:03

robwils



im not sure this is the same answer ......i know a TC family that 12 years ago bought a very large plot "legally" from a old GC friend and previous owner .

Cash was exchanged as normal and "original" deed given .

think this practice has gone on and on trust and a handshake as opposed to correct legal land registrys .



they know the deal done will never be challenged and the man "down south" happy .....



kav