BNP - British National Party

LondonCypriot


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Message Posted:
02/06/2009 03:47

What do people think of BNP - British National Party.



http://bnp.org.uk/

LondonCypriot


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Message Posted:
02/06/2009 03:50

http://bnp.org.uk/2009/05/bnp-counterattacks-with-hard-hitting-turkey-%e2%80%98not-in-the-eu%e2%80%99-leaflet/

keithr


Joined: 20/08/2008
Posts: 720

Message Posted:
02/06/2009 07:04

Can't be any worse than the current 3...



UKIP members being done for fraud I hear in the EU...

bondi


Joined: 12/07/2007
Posts: 116

Message Posted:
02/06/2009 07:49

We dont have to go to the EU for fraudsters we have enough homegrown ones - according to the media! It seems they are all at it!



The BNP are picking up disaffected voters - to me they do look like a group of thugs masquerading as wannabee politicans, however, I have heard that as local councillor they do get things done for their ward electorate and when I mean get things done - potholes mended, rubbish collected- all those things that we expect to happen but when the system goes awry infuriates us. I think the 3 main parties will be in for a shock on Thursday - but I think it will be sunday (EU counted on sunday) before it is known.



Many people I know back in UK dont know how to vote so I think it will be an interesting outcome.

Aslan


Joined: 23/06/2008
Posts: 757

Message Posted:
02/06/2009 08:32

Difficult question, I guess that once you take out the facist neo-nazi element of any political party then they have as good a chance of running or ruining a country as any other party, some people live in the TRNC because they would rather be a foriegner in a foriegn country than treated like one in their homeland. The UK has become more multi-cultural and the government(s) have been obliged to accommodate foriegn citizens, especially citizens from countries that our forefathers invaded, raped, pillaged gave an education system, health care and demorcracy to and then buggered of to let them fight against their neighbours!



I am sure the majority of adverts for employment in the official gazzette (Kibris) specify that the vacancy is for vatandash (citizens) only, not sure if that is acceptable under EU employment guidelines or could be seen as a racist attempt at having a Cyprus job for Cypriots policy. No harm in the BNP looking for British Jobs for British citizens one would assume

Rogerdodger


Joined: 24/04/2008
Posts: 271

Message Posted:
02/06/2009 09:47

Nobody should vote for the BNP, they are a bunch of racist holigans, with their own racest agenda for supreme rule, we had one come to our house last week spouting their crap and their idea of a white britan, with no imigrants, (including Gurkha's).

nurseawful



Joined: 06/02/2009
Posts: 5934

Message Posted:
02/06/2009 10:12

Well said rogerdodger I agree 100% with your sentiments.

palacerclass


Joined: 19/11/2008
Posts: 109

Message Posted:
02/06/2009 10:16

BNP is getting more media attention these days WHY because now 54% of the country population were not even born there !! This government and previous governments have not done enough to stop the tide of immigration. They should look at the Australian policy. No money no entry .There are no incentives to stay in UK any more because most of your taxes indirectly pay these immigrants.

woody


Joined: 24/02/2008
Posts: 171

Message Posted:
02/06/2009 14:07

Well said agree 100%

smithy


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Message Posted:
02/06/2009 14:14

palacerclass Couldnt have put it better myself, Bravo agree 200%%%%

sheila

clarets



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Message Posted:
02/06/2009 14:22

The Australian prime minister has a really enlightened opinion about immigration and integration.It is dimetrically opposed to our own in the UK(when I say our own....I mean the PC Stalinist brigade that think they represent all of us). I am certainly not racist as many of my asian/afrocaribbean will testify,but the policies of the extreme left have caused many middle of the roaders to become disenfranchised with such parties,and I guess they feel that the BNP is the only way to vote in the circumstances. Certainly,tail-wagging-dog politics has left a sour taste in the mouths of many.

MarkVPiazza


Joined: 14/08/2008
Posts: 530

Message Posted:
02/06/2009 14:22

The 3 main parties have all failed, and the UKIP Leader MEP is one of the biggest expense claimers in Europe - £2,000,000 (yes two million pounds) over the last 10 years.



Labour has given the BNP its chance by allowing un-controlled immigration over the last decade - even ex-pat Idians I work with complain about the immigration controls being too lax into the UK !!!!



I can see the BNP making big gains in the EU elections, as there is nobody else who seems to have any ideas or ideals, other than lining their own pockets.



Mark

clarets



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Message Posted:
02/06/2009 14:25

Msg 12 eloquently put....could not agree more!

Tiggy


Joined: 25/07/2007
Posts: 1994

Message Posted:
02/06/2009 23:16

Mgg 12 sums it up for me as well.



A big kick up the ar@s may wake them all up.

No1Doyen


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Posts: 16617

Message Posted:
02/06/2009 23:23

I agree too Mark. There's going to be a few noses put out of joint on Thursday.

andy-f


Joined: 03/05/2009
Posts: 1256

Message Posted:
03/06/2009 00:03

new labour with gordon brown and his band of merry thieves will go down in history as the party that invited the bnp and other right wing movements into the political domain, they have only themslves to blame as they are finished. the conservitives will walk into government at the next GE but new labour will be a spragmented oposition sharing the back benches with UKIP and the bnp.

kellybelly


Joined: 08/03/2009
Posts: 263

Message Posted:
03/06/2009 00:40

yes i will be voting for bnp and don't apologize for doing so.

Lemtich



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Posts: 1487

Message Posted:
03/06/2009 01:39

I'll expect the BNP will get the trains to run on time, then they'll invade Poland.



Probably find no one there as they're all over here!



Silly BNP!



Lem

clarets



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Posts: 752

Message Posted:
03/06/2009 01:49

Kellybelly please don't apologise.....we still supposedly live in a democracy,so you can vote for who you want....just dont tell the Stalinist press....they will label you a Nazi or some other bromidic sermon.

The-Wicks


Joined: 27/05/2007
Posts: 2279

Message Posted:
03/06/2009 02:01

As always - well said Lem! Although, on a more serious note, I do think a lot of people will vote BNP. People have very short memories.



I wonder, going off-thread slightly here, could I call everyone's attention to message 11 please:



"dimetrically" - so sorry to be a nit picker here - but aren't you the clever one???



I am but a humble medical sec. but should this not be "diametrically"?



Sorry, Clarets, couldn't resist it



J

Harold2555



Joined: 19/04/2008
Posts: 1139

Message Posted:
03/06/2009 11:14

The BNP is an outrageous blight on the political scene in Britain. They are racist, have few if any workable policies and should be resisted at all turns. The lack of credible politicians to oppose them is a sad endictment of the three main parties and the situation is not helped by the majority of the press which is right wing not stalinist condemning them in a mealy mouth fashion whilst sensationalising stories that only prey on the very prejudices that the BNP are looking to exploit.



There iss not uncontrolled immigration in the Uk, it is controlled but not perhaps as strictly as other countries, where we fail is dealing with it effectively. the non white population of the UK is just under 10%, the vast majority of whom were born in the UK. These are facts not hysteria





Harold2555



Also your taxes don

clarets



Joined: 08/01/2009
Posts: 752

Message Posted:
03/06/2009 11:21

Msg 20,sorry J,missed the "a" in all the excitement. Thanks for the correction. I am certain that lots of people will vote for change this time,as many are really fed up with left-wing,PC dogma being forced down their throats by sinister Stalinist governments,who have virtually destroyed political choice in the UK.

Moover321


Joined: 11/04/2009
Posts: 649

Message Posted:
03/06/2009 11:51

Absolutely correct Harold2555!



It is easy to blame the immigrants for the state of Britain in general and British politics in particular. Quite a few of the posts here have a latent racist tone - but I guess we should expect that from so called 'populists' who will scapegoat anyone or anything to get some vile and disgusting policies on the agenda!



No great country needs a bunch of thugs and racists to get their house in order! The major parties have taken much for granted - and the average Btit be they white, black, brown, yellow or even purple - know and understand that the 'system' has failed them. To blame immigrants is like blaming the trees for a forest fire!



Don't forget on the 65th anniversary of D-Day that millions of 'immigrants' gave their lives for the British Empire - I don't see the BNP mentioning this in their vile propaganda!



If we want change - we can get it without supporting the extremists of any persuation!

Littlenige



Joined: 24/12/2006
Posts: 3594

Message Posted:
03/06/2009 11:56

How come if you vote bnp or empathise with right wing polocies you are labelled nazi etc etc but if you are a left wing socialist no one labels you a red or commi saying communists have imprisoned tort ued and murderess millions

Moover321


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Posts: 649

Message Posted:
03/06/2009 11:58

Brit* not Btit - though that may be appropriate for a BNP supporter

Moover321


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Message Posted:
03/06/2009 11:59

They do Nigel - Just read the 'Stalinist' comments posted above - selective reading I dare say!

clarets



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Message Posted:
03/06/2009 11:59

Mover 321,"millions of immigrants gave their lives" on D-day.You must have been to a different Normandy to me then.....the men that gave their lives on D-day in France were good old Anglo-Saxon Brits and a few Americans and some Anzacs.I have been to the graveyards and seen the graves....with good old Britsh names, some from USA and some from Australia and New Zealand. You really gotta stick to making comments about what you know.......lots of left wing bull..... coming through here!

Moover321


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Posts: 649

Message Posted:
03/06/2009 12:01

By the way - how come Nigel you seem to be always be defending the BNP and the right wing facists?

Moover321


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Message Posted:
03/06/2009 12:05

I didn't say at Normandy Crusader! You need to read what I actually said and then comment! I said millions of immigrants gave their lives for the British Empire - by which I meant WW 1 and WW 2 ) Obviously you not only have a hatred for all things that don't fit your paradigm - but you like to twist people's words! The only thing that shows here is your abundant ignorance of the English language!

clarets



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Posts: 752

Message Posted:
03/06/2009 12:15

M321,I apologise for that error! WW1 and WW2 are favourite subjects of mine! I think you will find that good old Blighty supplied the vast majority of the cannon fodder in both....the Battle of the Somme,for instance. My grandfather was there....didnt mention too many immigrants,and there arent too many on the rolls of honour either......so where were all the immigrants actually helping out,whilst the godd old Blighty boys were taking the lead? You illuminate your ignorance of our mother tongue by selling us cheap to the Stalinist infiltrators. Right wing doesnt mean wrong....its just RIGHT.

Littlenige



Joined: 24/12/2006
Posts: 3594

Message Posted:
03/06/2009 12:21

Moover321 sorry i do not agree with you please provide evidence on this matter.

Moover321


Joined: 11/04/2009
Posts: 649

Message Posted:
03/06/2009 12:21

You need to read history Crusader - not make it up!



I believe anyone with an ounce of commonsense knows that millions of immigrants gave their lives in India, Burma, North Africa to name a few places! So please if you want to make up history go ahead and please yourself but don't try and fool us! Just imagine a population of less than 50 million then defending the British Empire without the help of the Commonwealth as it is now? Hardly logical is it?



Live with your ignorance if you feel comfortable with it!

DutchCrusader



Joined: 19/05/2008
Posts: 11281

Message Posted:
03/06/2009 12:25

RE msg 29 > I didn't say at Normandy Crusader! You need to read what I actually said and then comment! I said millions of immigrants gave their lives for the British Empire - by which I meant WW 1 and WW 2 ) Obviously you not only have a hatred for all things that don't fit your paradigm - but you like to twist people's words! The only thing that shows here is your abundant ignorance of the English language! <



RE msg 32 > You need to read history Crusader - not make it up! <



=> To whom or to which messages of a "Crusader" are you replying?!

Moover321


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Message Posted:
03/06/2009 12:29

Message 27 / 30!



'Res ipsa locutor' - The thing speaks for itself!

Moover321


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Message Posted:
03/06/2009 12:30

It was meant for Clarets Apologies Crusader

Moover321


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Message Posted:
03/06/2009 12:35

Corrected Comment!



I didn't say at Normandy Clarets! You need to read what I actually said and then comment! I said millions of immigrants gave their lives for the British Empire - by which I meant WW 1 and WW 2 ) Obviously you not only have a hatred for all things that don't fit your paradigm - but you like to twist people's words! The only thing that shows here is your abundant ignorance of the English language!



You need to read history Clarets - not make it up!



I believe anyone with an ounce of commonsense knows that millions of immigrants gave their lives in India, Burma, North Africa to name a few places! So please if you want to make up history go ahead and please yourself but don't try and fool us! Just imagine a population of less than 50 million then defending the British Empire without the help of the Commonwealth as it is now? Hardly logical is it?



Live with your ignorance if you feel comfortable with it!



Apologies again Crusader!

DutchCrusader



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Message Posted:
03/06/2009 12:40

OK, Moover321. Just for the record.

MarkVPiazza


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Posts: 530

Message Posted:
03/06/2009 12:42

Harold, ref message 21



I have a friend who works in the Asylum branch of the civil service who told me this directly



When the government said they were going to reduce the number of asylum seaker by a set date they did, on the exact date they said they would - there were just lots more tourist visas, medical visas and education visas granted from then on - I don't know how this can be described as "controlled", in my mind it's just another bit of New Labour spin to fiddle the figures yet again.



Mark

Moover321


Joined: 11/04/2009
Posts: 649

Message Posted:
03/06/2009 12:49

Mark! Do you honestly believe that if there was not a single asylum seeker in the UK or not one more immigrant that the problems faced by the UK would be solved? Do you believe that asylum which is a moral as well as a legal obligation should be torn up by the UN?



If we go around the world causing conflicts in countries where we have no reason to be there i.e. Iraq, is it surprising that we have more Iraqi refugees?



Sometimes I wonder why people can't just be honest and say what they mean instead of shrouding it in some kind of verbiage which is meaningless!



If you don't want asylum seekers then vote BNP or any other party that you feel comfortable with. Just remeber that we live in a global village and what goes around comes around! Love to see your reaction when 750,000+ Brits living overseas in the EU come back "home"!

clarets



Joined: 08/01/2009
Posts: 752

Message Posted:
03/06/2009 12:49

M321,before illuminating your lack of knowledge further for all to see,please avail yourself of the history of WW1 and WW2.You will find that the vast majority of men who fell in the fields of the Somme(1.5 million casualties) were from Germany and the larger part from Blighty.You assume that because we have a relatively small populus,we didn't have a lot of men in the forces....wrong. UK population then was 45 million and our casualties were 885000,India total populus 315 million...casualties 74000.....need I go on!

clarets



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Posts: 752

Message Posted:
03/06/2009 13:05

Msg 39,you mean you actually think that most people DONT want more asylum seekers,or a country that they can identify with and be proud of ? Get real ! 750,000 ex-pats....tells you something about what they think! Voted with their feet because of bloody idiotic,self-serving left -wing morons in the palaces of Westminster.

Moover321


Joined: 11/04/2009
Posts: 649

Message Posted:
03/06/2009 13:10

Yes Clarets! and when your beloved BNP pulls out of the EU and all these ex-pats have to 'come home' - I hope you and Nick Griffen will look after them



As far as your numbers are concerned you really have a problem with being selective! Try reading history from reputable and object sources.



Just tell me how many foreigners died for the British Empire in WW 1 and WW 2?



You seem to have a problem with people of a different view than your own distorted propaganda!



When you can actually take off your prejuidicial sun glasses may be just may be we can have a proper debate here!

Rogerdodger


Joined: 24/04/2008
Posts: 271

Message Posted:
03/06/2009 13:19

Moover321,



It's called freedom of choice, we all have our own opinions, and it's also a free world,



chill out, and respect others opinions, no matter what yours are, I do not like the BNP either but thats my opinion, and I hope others respect that also.



RD

Moover321


Joined: 11/04/2009
Posts: 649

Message Posted:
03/06/2009 13:29

I am chilled out! tell me who is using intemperate language?



I have said - if Clarets is comfortable with the BNP that is his choice!



I believe that setting a false premise on what the immigrants have done for the UK needs and should be challenged - that doesn't mean that Clarets or anyone else is not free to have and air their opinion! I simply challenge their premise!



Isn't that my right of free speech? Or perhaps that only applies to those who support facist and racist organisations? It is simply a question and NOt a slur!



Enjoy

Moover321


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Message Posted:
03/06/2009 13:31

I believe I am as entitled as anyone to express my opinion...or is that not so Roger?

Moover321


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Message Posted:
03/06/2009 13:33

The only thing needed for 'evil' to succeed is for good people to do nothing! That's how we ended up with the Nazis!

Rogerdodger


Joined: 24/04/2008
Posts: 271

Message Posted:
03/06/2009 14:14

Moover321,



Yes you are entitled to your opinion, and as I said i respect that, as I also respect others opinions





free world

MarkVPiazza


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Posts: 530

Message Posted:
03/06/2009 15:00

Lets not forget, WW1 & 2 wasn't just about saving the UK, foreigners joined allied forces because their countries would be next in line if we didn't stop them at our back door !



Mark

Moover321


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Message Posted:
03/06/2009 15:49

If BNP is the answer then is was a very, very stupid question!



Roger, so why do you just single me out in your message no: 43? Seems that you are a bit selective in asking one person to 'chill' and say nothing about the diatribe coming from other quarters!



Mark! Whoopie - found another angle to show why foreigners could have fought WW 1 and WW 2! The fact remains they fought for the British Empire!



And further you state "...if we didn't stop them at our back door.."



I beg to differ - if it wasn't for the foreigners, the Yanks and the Russians you'd be speaking German today!



So please, let's have some serious balance here!

Moover321


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Message Posted:
03/06/2009 15:50

Finally, Roger - it is a free world - so let's keep it that way without the facist / racist thugs of the BNP

Moover321


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Message Posted:
03/06/2009 16:06

Before anyone says that I want the BNP banned - it is not what I meant! I mean that let's do without the BNP in power!

clarets



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Posts: 752

Message Posted:
03/06/2009 16:13

M321, can you actually read or are you just being obstinate ? Aussie deaths 62k,Canadian deaths 65k,Indian 74k,S.Africa 9k,and the UK itself 885 K.I hope that clarifies the issue and it still indicates that the UK based Anglo-Saxon populus actually lost a hell of a lot more men than all the Empire put together...hows that for prejudicial glasses...cant spell it out any simpler than that. If you are still struggling.....get a job as a judge....most of them are senile!

MarkVPiazza


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Posts: 530

Message Posted:
03/06/2009 19:16

M321



Whatever anyone feels, the BNP are a legal political party, and have not comitted any crime



Many may not like what they stand for, but we live in a democracy where people are free to express their opinions, as long as they are within the law - not allowing the BNP their democratic freedoms and right to speach IS fascism.



I think the main political parties are scarred to death of the beating they are going to get on Thursday, due to their greedy abuses of their priviledged positions, and are spreading propoganda about the BNP (which may be true or not, I have not studied their manifesto)





Mark

zcacmxi


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Posts: 388

Message Posted:
03/06/2009 19:21

There is a half Turkish Cypriot (Lawrence Rustem) who is stands as a candidate in elections representing the BNP. See here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lawrence_Rustem

DutchCrusader



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Posts: 11281

Message Posted:
03/06/2009 22:33

RE msg 48, MarkVPiazza > Lets not forget, WW1 & 2 wasn't just about saving the UK, foreigners joined allied forces because their countries would be next in line if we didn't stop them at our back door ! <



> Hmmm, Mark. "we didn't stop etc."? As far as I've understood my history study: "we" were the Americans. In both wars, I and II. Without the Yanks you Brits would still be fighting at the Somme etc. Or?!

Moover321


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Message Posted:
03/06/2009 23:29

So let's get it right for the BNP!



1. If you are British and you live in another EU country or anywhere in the Commonwealth or for that matter the world you are an ex-pat.



BNP: If by the same token you are a foreigner living in the UK you are an immigrant and shoud be sent back!



2. If you are black or brown and score goals for England or runs for the cricket team you are a fantastic British sportman!



BNP: If your father or mother comes from overseas you have to go back with them even if you are UK born and have made sporting history!



3. If you are white and run a successful business and employ 100's of people you are a tycoon!



if you are black and run a successful business you are simply a ****



4. If you are black or foreign and die for Britain you are a hero.



BNP: You are just one less to worry about!



5. if you are an asylum seeker and prove your status - you are a refugee.



BNP: If you are an asylum seeker you are a scrounger.

Moover321


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Message Posted:
03/06/2009 23:30

Mark! There is a difference between being a legal party and being a moral party. Some day you may understand what that means!

Moover321


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Message Posted:
03/06/2009 23:32

Clarets - yes, I can read - I have a first class British education! I asked for your sources and your non-bias figures! Try being a bit more balanced in your responses and try - as hard as you may find it - to accept that you do not have a monopoly on information!

Moover321


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Message Posted:
03/06/2009 23:34

Mark! No one said the BNP should be banned - please take time to read the postings! I said they and their supporters should be challenged on the racist filth that they peddle! Simple!

Moover321


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Message Posted:
03/06/2009 23:37

Clarets - it seems to be your innate quality that when you are challenged your reaction is to insult people!



Message 54: ".....get a job as a judge....most of them are senile"



I would say perhaps you need to get some good manners and cultivate an ability to debate without resorting to insults! But then I forget you like the BNP - says everything I guess

Moover321


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Message Posted:
03/06/2009 23:43

The BNP will fail for one reason and one reason only - the fundamental decency of the vast majority of Britis people. Even given the circumstances where the major parties have caused great pain to the poor in the UK be they white, black or brown - the fact remains that too many British people have decent values to support such a racist party - legal or not!

TheSaints



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Message Posted:
04/06/2009 00:02

Uncontrolled immigration!!!! not in our case we decided to live in the TRNC as the Brit Govt were in my opinion too strict, to let my wife (married seven years) who has a Kyrgyz passport and a Russian passport live in Our House bought with my earnings they wanted me to give up my job as an international consultant and stay in the uk a min 10 months per year but still pay my way with no recourse to public funds. Go through a 5 year two stage residency period for my wife and then for her to have to take a Citizen exam that the majority of citizens would fail just so I can have the pleasure of paying the new 50% tax levied on higher earners.

I was actually informed by an immigration officer it would be easier if we went to a police station in Kyrgyzstan and got a letter stating we were having problems with local activists and get her in on a political asylum status, did not want to go down that road as it would not be the truth.

Gave up and came here.........

Moover321


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Message Posted:
04/06/2009 00:17

Glad you landed on your feet Mike / Vinera! Seems like your honesty got in the way! Refreshing to know

phylray



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Message Posted:
04/06/2009 01:24

Why does this guy go on about Anglo Saxon deaths in WW1 and WW2?

If you see the lists of dead in the battlefield graveyards you will find a large

number of Scots, Welsh and Irish died there too. Relative to their populations

their losses were enormous. Some of the islands lost most of their menfolk.

My father fought with Cameronian Scottish Rifles and was a snipe

They stayed behind in France to run races for their regiments and their country.

They were proud of their country, but they were not racialist.

CyprusChill


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Message Posted:
04/06/2009 05:40

your born, you die.

apart from a potential significant piece in the middle.

why bother.

CyprusChill


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Message Posted:
04/06/2009 05:47

who are BNP ?



if i don't know now will i ever.



will they make me feel different about the underwear that i choose to wear and exchange every five days.



what can i do with the free points promised under the agenda.



gordon brown has the head the size of a buffallo ... so what ?

Moover321


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Message Posted:
04/06/2009 07:41

BNP = British Nazi Party or British Nasty Party

Moover321


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Message Posted:
04/06/2009 08:08

For those who still believe the BNP is not a racist party this is from their constitution:



SECTION 2: MEMBERSHIP

1) The British National Party represents the collective National, Environmental, Political, Racial, Folkish, Social, Cultural, Religious and Economic interests of the indigenous Anglo-Saxon, Celtic and Norse folk communities of Britain and those we regard as closely related and ethnically assimilated or assimilable aboriginal members of the European race also resident in Britain. Membership of the BNP is strictly defined within the terms of, and our members also self define themselves within, the

legal ambit of a defined ‘racial group’ this being ‘Indigenous Caucasian’ and defined ‘ethnic groups’ emanating from that Race as specified in law in the House of Lords case of Mandla V Dowell Lee (1983) 1 ALL ER 1062, HL.

Moover321


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Message Posted:
04/06/2009 08:09

Cont'd.



2) The indigenous British ethnic groups deriving from the class of ‘Indigenous

Caucasian’ consist of members of: i) The Anglo-Saxon Folk Community; ii) The Celtic

Scottish Folk Community; iii) The Scots-Northern Irish Folk Community; iv) The

Celtic Welsh Folk Community; v) The Celtic Irish Folk Community; vi) The Celtic

Cornish Folk Community; vii) The Anglo-Saxon-Celtic Folk Community; viii) The

Celtic-Norse Folk Community; ix) The Anglo-Saxon-Norse Folk Community; x) The

Anglo-Saxon-Indigenous European Folk Community; xi) Members of these ethnic

groups who reside either within or outside Europe but ethnically derive from them.



3) Membership of the party shall be open only to those who are 16 years of age or over and whose ethnic origin is listed within Sub-section 2.

Moover321


Joined: 11/04/2009
Posts: 649

Message Posted:
04/06/2009 08:14

So people like - Lewis Hamilton, Dame Kelly Holmes, Rio Ferdinand, Amir Khan, Sol Cambell, Ashley Cole, Nigel Benn, Frank Bruno, Joan Armatrading. Melanie Brown. Alesha, Jamelia to name a few to be sent back to their 'home' country just for being black or brown?



A touch ridiculous and what about all those brave black and brown people who have died for Britain in Iraq / Afghanistan?



Perhaps repatriate their bodies too? Take away their medals? How abouth the Gurkhas?



Seems like many who support the BNP don't have a clue what their constitution states and then claim that the BNP is not racist - lol ))

Geejay


Joined: 18/04/2009
Posts: 475

Message Posted:
04/06/2009 09:23

There wouldn't be a BNP if the indigenous English, Scottish, Welsh and Irish weren't being marginalised in their own countries.

For instance. It's apparently not racist to have a Black Police Officers Association. It is however racist to want a White Police Officers Association. Black Pride day is ok but not White Pride Day. Gay Pride is ok but not Heterosexual Pride Day. If you're a Muslim you can say what you like about Christians but if you say any thing against the Muslims you're racist. If you're against illegal immigration you're racist. Why can only Whites be Racist ?

Al this and much more has been caused by this governments attempt at social engineering and deprecation of anything British. I hold no brief for the BNP but I will vote UKIP.

Moover321


Joined: 11/04/2009
Posts: 649

Message Posted:
04/06/2009 10:14

That old chestnut - Black Police Association!



1. It is an association and not a political party.



2. It represents a lobby for the discrimination faced by black and asian police officers - proven by many Independent reports.



3. The vast majority of the police forces in the UK are predominantly white.



4. The BNP is a POLITICAL party seeking to govern the UK! It wants to institutionalise racism against black and ethnically different people.



5. It wants to repatriate people who are of a different colour even if they are born in the UK.



You can vote for the BNP or for UKIP - it is your free choice.



But just for one moment think what the BNP represents - it wants to take away the freedom of BRITISH people based on the colour of their skin or ethnicity.



If you think that voting UKIP will help the UK - well you are entitled to that view - but just ask yourself why are you living in the TRNC - and are you not an immigrant? Perhaps you would want to be called an ex-pat

Moover321


Joined: 11/04/2009
Posts: 649

Message Posted:
04/06/2009 10:21

UKIP is an one issue party. Get the UK out of the EU.



I think many in the EU would not be too sad to see the UK out - then they can get on with the business of building the EU without having a whinging country always wanting things their way!



If you recall in 1974 you had a choice to be in the Common Market or out of it. Remember that it was the Tory government that brought us the Mastricht and Nice Treaties. Remember that 65%+ of UK trade is with the EU. Remember that nearly 4 million jobs in the UK depend on being part of the EU.



If you still believe that UKIP will solve all the UK problems, well Geejay, living in cloud cookoo-land comes to mind!



Get used to the idea that you too are an immigrant and if there was a party in TRNC asking for you to be repatriated because you are white- how would you feel?



Finally, Geejay - why did you choose to live in a predominantly Muslim part of Cyprus? Seems like you and others on this 'ex-pat' forum want your cake and eat it too!

Moover321


Joined: 11/04/2009
Posts: 649

Message Posted:
04/06/2009 10:22

Geejay when you stop parrotting the propaganda from UKIP and BNP - and start to wake up and smell the coffee - you may just understand that we have one planet - and we need to share it! The sun has set on the British Empire - accept the reality!

Littlenige



Joined: 24/12/2006
Posts: 3594

Message Posted:
04/06/2009 10:36

Geejay



You racist homophobic right wing bigot welcome to uk 2009 if you disagree with leftie polocies or have an ounce of moral decency then you are branded some sort of PERIERA

MarkVPiazza


Joined: 14/08/2008
Posts: 530

Message Posted:
04/06/2009 10:57

Good post Geejay



The current government have marginalised and penalised the average British citizen - I'm fed up being descriminated against in my country of birth



Mark

Moover321


Joined: 11/04/2009
Posts: 649

Message Posted:
04/06/2009 11:03

And what is the average British Citizen Mark?

maningi pusa


Joined: 07/09/2008
Posts: 120

Message Posted:
04/06/2009 11:11

The ex-pat community in Cyprus (all of it) are not receiving state benefits from the government as are the majority of immigrants (legal and illegal) in the UK. We have paid our dues and are here by choice.

Blackpoolfan


Joined: 03/12/2008
Posts: 1568

Message Posted:
04/06/2009 11:37

Message 76

You are so right in years to come we will become the minority within our own country. I am fed up with all the PC brigade, the immigration control is a joke we are being overun with illegal immigrants sponging from a state that i have paid my taxes to over the last 25 years. Our country is run by Brussels fronted up by a load of bent mp's. Enough is enough time to act before this once great country sinks to new depths. While i don't agree with all the BNP's policies i can see them being a viable option for those amongst us who are fed up with the way our country is being run...............

kavenkoy


Joined: 10/04/2008
Posts: 1787

Message Posted:
04/06/2009 11:42

moover 321



having read this and other threads you are involved in it would appear you are the one forcing your opinions onto others .



everybody is entitled to view points and defending their identity and nation means a passionate response .



im not a racist thug ,but am a nationalist of my own country that expects to have a identity .



im the one that writes next to the box that says "WHITE EUROPEAN" ENGLISH .

every other race comes to the british isles and has their own id,except us.



quiet life is what i want ,where i expect to pay my taxes to keep kids,police hospitals etc ...not to fund large importation of heroin hidden behind certain communitys .



kav

Geejay


Joined: 18/04/2009
Posts: 475

Message Posted:
04/06/2009 13:05

Well.. that did touch on some sensitivities didn't it ?



It seems that Moover 321 and Little Nige (being little englanders) don't really like any discussion on this but would rather force their opinions onto others.



I make no excuses for being patriotic. But you guys are so keen to run the UK and it's citizens down with your comments about racism, bigotry and nationalism that you don't realise the damage that you are doing to my country.



When you descend to insults like this, you've lost the argument !! How dare you critiscise my ethical convictions when yours are so suspect.

Geejay


Joined: 18/04/2009
Posts: 475

Message Posted:
04/06/2009 13:09

Little Nige,



On second thoughts, were you serious or just being ironic ? I cant believe you actually meant to insult a fellow contributor in this way. No-one could be that crass !

mmmmmm



Joined: 19/12/2008
Posts: 8398

Message Posted:
04/06/2009 13:21

re msg 76



MarkP



>>The current government have marginalised and penalised the average British citizen - I'm fed up being descriminated against in my country of birth <<



Could you explain HOW this govt or the Tories have "discriminated" against you ?



They are as bad as each other... granting Asylum seekers amnesties and ripping off legal migrants..

Moover321


Joined: 11/04/2009
Posts: 649

Message Posted:
04/06/2009 13:33

GeeJay - get a life - no one in there right moind could interpret anything I have posted as an insult! Talk about the pot calling the kettle black LOL:D



You need to get a reality check. This is 2009 and not 1809

Moover321


Joined: 11/04/2009
Posts: 649

Message Posted:
04/06/2009 13:37

Kav - You seem to be a lost soul!



How can anyone "impose" their opinions on others? We can discuss, we can debate - but people here and in general are usually intelligent enough to make up their own minds! It is not as if I am waterboarding anyone - is it?



I simply express my views as you express yours.



The fact that you are insecure about living in a global village is really not an issue for me - however, you can vote as you please - but so can I That my friend is the beauty of living in a free country and the rule of law!



Like it or hate it - that is how it is! You can crow all you like but you cannot turn the clock back to the Victorian era!



Enjoy

MarkVPiazza


Joined: 14/08/2008
Posts: 530

Message Posted:
04/06/2009 13:38

MM I'll give you one example



I work as a freelance IT'er. New Labour introduced a regulation called IR35 that means I now, on my income I have to pay tax, employers national insurance, and employees national insurance (i.e. about 24% NI as well as normal income tax), but if I have no work I can not get unemployment benefit, or tax free redundancy pay.



At the same time, many thousands of Indians have been allowed to come to the UK under advantageous tax schemes (I think the company pays a flat 10%).

I worked for a well known American "services company" that was once part of GM until quite recently - they were sacking local workers who had been in the company for years, and bringing over Indians to fill their roles. These Indians were all bought in on tourist visas - they got away with this for a long time.



So, I was born here and pay very high levels of NI, but for some reason the government gives tax breaks to Indian firms so English people are undercut and loose their jobs.

MarkVPiazza


Joined: 14/08/2008
Posts: 530

Message Posted:
04/06/2009 13:40

continued



and Indians on "tourist" visas fill them.



Tell me this is right?



Mark

Moover321


Joined: 11/04/2009
Posts: 649

Message Posted:
04/06/2009 13:41

Blackpool! Sorry but the name is a bit ironic given that you are considering voting BNP



But you too need wake up this is 2009 and not 1809! The new world is what it is - people from all walks of life live in many different countries from many different origins! Go get a DNA test and you will find that you have probably nearly the same DNA as an Asian or a North African!



My friend you are free to vote as you please. But when the Nazi BNP come for you - I hope there is someone from the PC brigade to come to your defence

Moover321


Joined: 11/04/2009
Posts: 649

Message Posted:
04/06/2009 13:46

Maning_pusa! Really...you too need a reality check! What happens to you guys when you get in the sun - your brain seizes up or something? You may not be taking welfare from the TRNC but you are benefiting from the system! Try working that out - it is really not that difficult!



And as someone who has paid a lot of tax in the UK and NEVER once taken a penny from the State - I resent your implications of what immigrants do or do not do!



There is fortunately in the UK the rule of law and any freedom we have is defined under the law!



You left the UK by choice - good for you - then stop telling us who are in the UK how we should live and what we should do with OUR taxes



Enjoy

Moover321


Joined: 11/04/2009
Posts: 649

Message Posted:
04/06/2009 13:49

Mark! I am sorry that you have a problem with IT workers from Indai! But they, the Indian workers did not make the rules - our government for which people voted did make the law! Need I say more?



And you think if the BNP was in power they would create jobs? No one would invest in the UK - the BNP does not have a single coherent economic policy save kick out the immigrants!



That is a recipe for disaster!



Enjoy

palacerclass


Joined: 19/11/2008
Posts: 109

Message Posted:
04/06/2009 14:20

hoover321, if there was an election today in TRNC just for British Nationals you will find your party bottom with the least votes, and the responses your getting on this forum re BNP shows you are clearly out there on your own with your thoughts on this matter. Say no more !

Geejay


Joined: 18/04/2009
Posts: 475

Message Posted:
04/06/2009 14:32

"GeeJay - get a life - no one in there right moind could interpret anything I have posted as an insult! Talk about the pot calling the kettle black LOL:D" Apparently you don't know when you are being insulting. Maybe you lack empathy !!



No Moover 321 My "moind" is now made up. I think that your posts reveal your thought processes as probably racist against the indigenous population (whatever colour). It is you that attacks others for having views other that yours. It is you that needs a reality check. The UK is being overrun by ILLEGAL immigrants. No one in their right minds would accept this as normal. Why do you think it's racist that I don't like it ?



Why can you not accept that this governments policies place too great a strain on our tolerance ?

MarkVPiazza


Joined: 14/08/2008
Posts: 530

Message Posted:
04/06/2009 14:50

M321 , ref post 90



I have no problems with Indian IT workers, they are almost all very nice people who are making the best of life - it's the governments policies I have the problem with.



I don't think most British people have any problem with foreigners & immigrants, it's the bias the government has towards them that is the problem.



Say you work for 50 years in the UK paying all your tax & NI for that time, but you move to the TRNC, but after 3 months, you are no longer entitled to free NHS treatment, yet anyone can get off a plane at Heathrow, and start sponging off the NHS for free straight away - is this right?



Mark

girne 29


Joined: 06/12/2007
Posts: 1488

Message Posted:
04/06/2009 16:01

Hoover 321



Unfortunately,insulting people who do not agree with your views on immigration/outsourcing etc ,does the opposite of what you desire.It drives people into the arms of the BNP when in reality all they really wanted was to be heard and their fears for themselves and there children taken account of.,instead of being labelled racists by the politically correct.

mmmmmm



Joined: 19/12/2008
Posts: 8398

Message Posted:
04/06/2009 16:57

Dear Mark



re 86/87



I'm well aware of IR35 - Haven't you registered a RoC CY based company ..... ?!



It is/ was quite wrong to allow non EU nationals to work on Tourist Visas and as you know any employer found doing this is liable to fines of £10k per employee and Directors face imprisonment .



The whole point is that the IR / DWP/ NI , Police and border Control folk should be INTEGRATED .. too many non entitled folk are getting in as "students" / tourists.



I can't see how voting BNP / UKIP is going to change your problem ;)

Blackpoolfan


Joined: 03/12/2008
Posts: 1568

Message Posted:
04/06/2009 19:29

Mover321

Re message 88 thanks for your comments we all have a democratic right to vote for who we please You have no right to criticise someones political preference and opinion with derogatory comments. Perhaps you are one of the PC brigade in which case you should be lined up with the rest of them on a desert island far far away where you can spout crap to your hearts content my friend.............

Moover321


Joined: 11/04/2009
Posts: 649

Message Posted:
04/06/2009 20:39

Blackpoolfan et al - seems like you guys are all worked up about insults when there isn't a shred of insults in any of my posts! If you cannot take a bit of irony that is really your issue and not mine! I have every right to say what I think of the BNP or UKIP or Labour or anyone else! That is after all what we mean by 'free speech' isn't it? Or is free speech only what YOU mean it to mean - nothing more and nothing less?



As for being PC - since when has being polite and moral been an insult? I take it as a compliment!



Mark - I have not said anywhere that you are a racist or that you support the BNP or whoever! You are a free individula obviously with a talent and want to make the most of his life! of course it is upsetting when the rules are changed by OUR government and it then makes it easier for others to exploit! The fact still remains it is OUR government who should shoulder the blame!



Quite how voting for the BNP or UKIP will change anything is beyond me!

Moover321


Joined: 11/04/2009
Posts: 649

Message Posted:
04/06/2009 20:40

Girne 29: Please inform me where exactly have I insulted anyone?

Moover321


Joined: 11/04/2009
Posts: 649

Message Posted:
04/06/2009 20:44

Palacerclass: Well, well, well....lucky for me that there is no election just amonst the British immigrants living in the TRNC - isn't it



Do you honestly believe that a bunch of people with right wing views is representative of the entire forum? By the way whatever it is you are smoking I suggest you stop - it is the first step to a reality check! That is not an insult - just some polite advice as I cannot see for the life of me how your post has any relevance to the issue in hand!



Enjoy

Moover321


Joined: 11/04/2009
Posts: 649

Message Posted:
04/06/2009 20:46

Mmmmm Mark - Thank God for some sanity



Good advice for the other Mark!

kavenkoy


Joined: 10/04/2008
Posts: 1787

Message Posted:
04/06/2009 20:53

moover 85



there you go again in reply to a debate and point of view of mine (this time) you turn it around and try and ram your point of view home .

victorian times have gone ,as you will be very glad to here .



but a office bully still remains in you ....small man behind the desk attitude you have who has a big car and his own parking space with his name ...erm power hey



im glad im as patriotic and psssionate as im to decent law abiding citizens of the uk ....without trying to belittle everybody .



long live queen victoria



kav

Moover321


Joined: 11/04/2009
Posts: 649

Message Posted:
04/06/2009 21:00

Kav - Please for your sake stop the intoxicants -



If you cannot debate then really there is no point is there?



Go ahead and support the BNP - will that change my life? Not one iota! Will the BNP win and govern the UK probably not in the next 1000 years - but then we will never know!



If by any chance the BNP or their ilk get in to power - most of the decent British people will leave and go and live somewhere more democratic! Then the BNP can have the island all to itself....place barbwire around the entire coast and keep all the animals and thugs inside



Now, doesn't that sound just fab!



Before you say it is an insult - just stop and ask yourself how am I offending you by talking about the BNP? And am I not allowed to air my opinion? I know if the BNP were in power that may be the case - but lucky for me they are not



Enjoy!

Moover321


Joined: 11/04/2009
Posts: 649

Message Posted:
04/06/2009 21:17

Geejay Message 92: What are you talking about? Racist against indigenous people - how do you conclude that?



Like I said, I am not sure what you are on but it seems to be the same thing as Gordon Brown



No one said objecting to illegal immigration is a crime - just try hard to actually read what I have said!



The point is that the PROBLEM is the government policy and NOT the immigrant population!



If you believe that voting for the BNP will change this - please go ahead! I can criticise the BNP if I wish! That is the meaning of free speech under the rule of law!



Perhaps it would be also important to see yourself living in the TRNC as a legal immigrant as opposed to an expat! You might, just might have some empathy with people who travel half way around the world in a container to find a better life after being persecuted for their beliefs or political activities!



Life is not just about yourself and those of the same colour as you! Life is much more than that!

kavenkoy


Joined: 10/04/2008
Posts: 1787

Message Posted:
04/06/2009 21:52

think you lost the plot mate .



you dont offend me in the slightest talking about BNP,LABOUR ,CONSERVATIVE OR B AND Q ,FBI MUFC OR ANYTHING ELSE.



you dont like something or somebody has a different opinion then you try ramming it down somebodys throat .



as i said i bet you the one with a big flash car ,large desk and your own private plate on your car parking space.



you keep thinking your debating it ,and we all will form our own opinions ,on you or anything else .



kav

littlejohn


Joined: 09/03/2009
Posts: 316

Message Posted:
04/06/2009 23:13

Moover321,I don't know why you bother!

I have had many evenings spoilt by the racist,sexist outpourings of the types on this forum who blame everyone but themselves for the problems being experienced not only in England but throughout Europe and the rest of the world.

It was the same in the forces . My attempts to mix with local Cypriots in the late 60s were frowned upon by many of my colleagues .One moron attacked a local who had been invited to a "British" barbecue and put him in hospital much to the sniggering amusement of some of the "British" guests.

This is one of the reasons why I now avoid places frequented by ex pats as much as possible.

And if you dare to speak out you're a left wing ,pc, do gooder. (Even when you are nothing of the sort)

Never mind politics! What about morality and common decency and respect for your fellow man???

Moover321


Joined: 11/04/2009
Posts: 649

Message Posted:
05/06/2009 00:39

Hello LittleJohn!



Lovely to hear some positive feedback!



I totally agree with your sentiments. I guess I bother because I believe if I didn't then others reading the racist diatribe will start to believe the garbage they regurgitate will regarded as the norm! I come from the old school of thought that when you see a wrong you should challenge it! Nonetheless, you are correct in that the 'British ex-pats' (immigrants) do have a tendency to 'stick together' the same thing they accuse the immigrants (expats) of other countries in the UK. As for the notion of mixing with locals I think it is the right way to go! You only feel at 'home' if you appreciate your neighbour and those who live in the community as a whole!



Perhaps they believe that this forum is for right wing facists or 'so called patriots'. They simply forget that they are living in the TRNC and it is not the UK!



I hope you have had good experiences living in meeting the locals and all the best to you!

Moover321


Joined: 11/04/2009
Posts: 649

Message Posted:
05/06/2009 00:46

Kav! Do you know what the plot was? I guess you could not have 'lost the plot' as you never understood it in the first place!



Keep on 'forming' your own opinions based on the racist propaganda of the likes of the BNP! Good luck to you! I guess no matter what, it looks like you will need it!



Nobody is 'ramming' anything down anyone's throat - but I guess you feel offended by the fact that someone challenges your racist ideology! You are probably used to everyone just having your opinion and when someone challenges you with facts, ideas and concepts you resort to 'an us and them' attitude. Your assumption that I drive a big flash car with private number plates etc., is indicative of how insecure you feel! It hard for you to grasp that you can have a moral, balanced point of view without being rich! I work for my living - I do not drive a big flash car and I thought private number plates were the preserve of the Essex men



Enjoy

Lemtich



Joined: 15/02/2007
Posts: 1487

Message Posted:
05/06/2009 01:17

I fear, we are between the wars.



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QPSFCaRC9XA&feature=related



Lem

clarets



Joined: 08/01/2009
Posts: 752

Message Posted:
05/06/2009 13:53

Msg 71 geejay,you speak for a huge silent majority with such comments.......they are sadly,very true!

Moover321


Joined: 11/04/2009
Posts: 649

Message Posted:
05/06/2009 17:35

A very vocal silent majority, apparently LOL:D

Moover321


Joined: 11/04/2009
Posts: 649

Message Posted:
05/06/2009 17:39

Jesting aside - I doubt that there is any 'majority' for the diatribe of the BNP Silent, vocal or otherwise!



The vast majority of British people are decent - which is not exactly what the BNP stands for

clarets



Joined: 08/01/2009
Posts: 752

Message Posted:
05/06/2009 18:59

M321.....you would be surprised actually ! Many patients of mine,who you would think are left of middle have expressed deep dissatisfaction with a series of left of centre governments and have openly said they would be voting BNP.......I have been very surprised !

minertor



Joined: 14/02/2009
Posts: 1238

Message Posted:
05/06/2009 21:51

Moover, you mentioned D-day and millions of immigrants giving their lives for the empire in the same sentence. Study English language yourself before mocking others.

minertor



Joined: 14/02/2009
Posts: 1238

Message Posted:
05/06/2009 22:01

I make no apologies for voting BNP. I know they will never form a government. I wouldn't want them to. My reasoning is that if they get enough votes, then the clowns in power might just look at some of their less outrageous policies, and they have some, and maybe act more the way we want. Even Adolf Hitler had some good ideas to begin with, absolute power sorta made him go to the extreme.

Moover321


Joined: 11/04/2009
Posts: 649

Message Posted:
05/06/2009 22:01

Minertor - I guess when what you have actually said made any sense I would glady study the English language! However, as it stands your actual perceptions of what I have said are somewhat incongruent with the facts!



Did I really say millions of immigrants gave their lives on D-Day?



I suggest you re-read what I actually said after you have had a good detox of your English comprehension!



If I said, what you claim, I would happily vote for the BNP as a result of my studpidity! However, if I didn't say what you claim, then perhaps the least you could do is to apologies!



I will not be holding my breadth for your apology as I would almost be certain it will not be forthcoming from someone who will be too red faced to acknowledge he had in fact been wrong!



Enjoy

Moover321


Joined: 11/04/2009
Posts: 649

Message Posted:
05/06/2009 22:05

Minertor! Adolf Hitler had some good ideas did he? Give me one idea that he had that was good by any reasonable standard?



You my old chap, are free to vote for whosoever you feel comfortable voting for and you do not have to justify your vote!



Equally, I can air my views on the BNP or any other party - as the last time I looked this was still a free country under the rule of law!



Sometimes the logic we apply to our votes gets us in to trouble! never forget Hitler was 'elected'



Enjoy

Moover321


Joined: 11/04/2009
Posts: 649

Message Posted:
05/06/2009 22:14

Clarets - nothing people say or do can surprise us. As a doctor, you better than most should know that human behaviour is at best an enigma!



MP's stealing from the tax payer for example is something most people would think should never happen - yet the same people will happily fail to pay VAT on a building project by paying cash! Granted not many of us have moats or duck islands - but the idea of 'house flipping' has been a common practice amongst many from all walks of life - simply because the Capital Gains Tax law allows this as an exception!



The point I am making is that people may very well do as they have told you - but then again they may not!



The bottom line, if there is one is whether the BNP get elected as a national government! To my mind that is unlikely to happen as in the bigger picture most people know what the BNP really stands for - racism, bigotry and thug like behaviour!



That's why I believe the vast majority of British people are too decent to vote BNP!

Moover321


Joined: 11/04/2009
Posts: 649

Message Posted:
05/06/2009 22:31

Of course we judge MP's to a different standard and that is correct - there are a few MP's who have not made a mint from being in parliament - but they are few and far between! As hard as it is to imagine - parliament is actually a lot cleaner than it used to be! I guess all these things are relative!



A lot of Tory MP's see the MP's job as part-time as most work for several companies as non-executive directors; Ditto with some Labour MP's in the Blair era - and of course some had connections with the Unions!



All in all, politics has never been clean and in all probability will never be fully clean and transparent - as many of the things that go on are as we say on a 'nod and a wink' basis!



The best we can hope for is to constantly challenge those representing us!

minertor



Joined: 14/02/2009
Posts: 1238

Message Posted:
05/06/2009 22:48

In an English country garden. All gardeners know what weeds are, something growing where it shouldn;t.

When God created the world it was a perfect garden, everyone belonged in his place. You put your flowers in front, away from your veggies, they go out back. Your lettuces might be perfect, but if one grows among your tulips you pull it out before it seeds. If it comes in your roses again the following year, put it on the compost heap. Same goes for your flowers. If they come up among your veggies, replant them where they belong. If they do it again, throw them on the compost heap. Don't let them seed or you'll never get rid of them, the seedlings might even attack your established plants. BNP are good gardeners, mebbe God spent too much time fishing and not enough time looking after His garden. Of course in the bricked over England of today, there aren't enough gardeners. Remember the call to gardeners in 1940, Dig for Victory.

ps I can't believe I wrote this,

Moover321


Joined: 11/04/2009
Posts: 649

Message Posted:
05/06/2009 23:28

Minertor - Nor can I believe you wrote all that - you should go and see your doctor those tablets are giving you a 'high' you simply cannot cope with!



BNP good gardeners - I don't think so! They are a bunch of racist thugs who only know how to attact defenceless people whose only "crime" is to be of a different colour or ethnic origin irrespective in which garden they were born!



I am sorry, but you are simply delusional about what the BNP represents!



Good luck at the doctors!

THOMAS


Joined: 27/01/2008
Posts: 28

Message Posted:
06/06/2009 17:33

Lets hope they dont start 'gardening' here and relocate you.

ilovekibris


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Posts: 394

Message Posted:
06/06/2009 21:37

Reading this thread you can understand how people like Adolf Hitler rose to power. To feeble-minded, insecure and poorly educated people he must have sounded like he was talking sense.

The-Wicks


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Posts: 2279

Message Posted:
06/06/2009 22:00

ilovekibris-surely this is exactly the group of people AH appealed to? Of course to them he was talking sense.



My late mother was very, very prejudiced, particularly against black people. Many years ago (1970's) she told me that the BNP "had the right idea". I tried and tried (as did my Father) to explain what the BNP stood for - she would have none of it. When I tried to point out to her that she, as an older person, would stand no chance, she called me a liar. She was a poorly educated woman, born in 1916, and, to her, the BNP policies made perfect sense, e.g. country in poor state, due to immigrants, get rid of them. Strangely enough, she was extremely pro-Jewish and thought that AH was the devil incarnate (which he was). She simply could not or would not see that the BNP were nazi's. Oh well................... By the way, she was also a big fan of Enoch Powell (the original, if you see what I mean).



J

Moover321


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Posts: 649

Message Posted:
06/06/2009 22:10

The only thing for 'evil' to succeed is for good people to do nothing!



If today's D-Day Commemoration tells us anything it is that even 65 years later - the thing that brought people together from all over the world was the notion that what the Nazis stood for was inherently immoral and evil. That people from all faiths and no faiths fought to be rid of such tyranny is an exemplar for future generations that there is more that unites us as Humankind than divides us!



To hate someone because they are of a different colour or a different culture or a different religion is the first step on a very, very slippery slope!



I hope and pray that we do not forget the reason why so many gave their lives for the very freedoms we enjoy today - and that if there is an inkling of similar hatred being nutured then we take their example and stand up for what is moral and right.

dy1259


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Posts: 357

Message Posted:
07/06/2009 02:59

Moover321. Well said - all of it.



It wouldn't take long for the BNP to turn onto its 'own kind' to keep the economy going. Just look at what Hitler/Nazis did to their own people-every facet of their lives affected down to who they could marry, women having to breed their blond, blue-eyed offspring, not allowed to work and later being forced to work from economic necessity, murdering their disabled etc etc; freedom was very much restricted for every Aryan. It's unworkable. The BNP in power would be a nightmare for everyone. You lot would be begging for immigrants and life as it was. LOL.



A question for you BNP sympathisers. If the BNP came to power and kicked out Turkish Cypriots from the UK (amongst others) would you agree with such a policy?

zerochlor


Joined: 03/04/2009
Posts: 4024

Message Posted:
07/06/2009 03:18

Heres a story of a B N P canditate works in Greater Manchester.



B N P . watever they stand for or mean in there own little lifes,maybe wats in there pocket comes first!



1 prominent B N P hierarchy who i know personally, is a Taxi Driver, i seem to find it very strange that when he replaces his tyres on what he calls a taxi or a exaust system he always uses 1 of the local pakistani tyre & exaust companies in the Greater Manchester Area!

Am i being ignorant or missing something?



is he really a B N P member or is he just looking after his pocket?



i thought of asking the Question to nick Griffin, when i passed his house in oswestry, or farm should i Say.



Biggot

CyprusChill


Joined: 08/05/2009
Posts: 666

Message Posted:
07/06/2009 04:16

Albeit being born to Irish parents.

I was fortunate enough to have a father who served in the forces for thirty eight years.

This first and formost afforded me and on many occasion, to protect myself.

On occasion the violence afforded me as an outsider, still concerns me.

The art of self defence, became part of my childhood upbringing.

Never start a fight .. but god only knows, we could finish one.



Throughout my life and career, i tend to protect.

Bullies, Hard Men, anti-social critters, dealers and wheelers share the same disease.



I have been very fortunate to have worked all over the world. My family have on occasions shared my experience.

Colour, race, creed, political persuasion, sexuality, religion and the many more facets that make up the human race ; deserve respect.



Imagine being the warden select on a beach, having to remove the pebbles and stones that dont' fit.

The wardens manager who want only a desert.

ilovekibris


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Posts: 394

Message Posted:
07/06/2009 17:04

Good post CC

minertor



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Message Posted:
08/06/2009 00:10

i l k. insecure, feeble minded. poorly educated, why? because the view differs to yours. Have you ever had an original thought or do you always follow the pack, like all good nimbys.

Don't knock Adolf, he came to power because he had some good ideas to help his people. He just had some bad advisers. History has always been recorded by the winners of wars. One of my best friends is a German, not a Hitler fan. 95% of his employees are foreign, mostly East European, two coloured. Don't know where they're from, never thought to ask. I only mention him because on one of the few occasions that we discussed the war, he was adamant that had Germany ever succeeded in invading England, Churchill would have been the first one hung, quickly followed by "bomber" Harris. And I thought (still think) that they were heroes. The greatest war crime was the concentration camps. They were a British invention, not much advertised by brits, obviously. Read a foreign history book, if you can ILK, U2 Moover

ilovekibris


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Posts: 394

Message Posted:
08/06/2009 00:55

minertor wrote: "Don't knock Adolf, he came to power because he had some good ideas to help his people."

That's as good a signing off message as any. You should be on a government list - and suspect that as of now you are.

CyprusChill


Joined: 08/05/2009
Posts: 666

Message Posted:
08/06/2009 05:42

BNP through to the likes of Adolf Hitler and Churchill.



Now that BNP are being recognised, who will the next relate embassadors be ?

Littlenige



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Posts: 3594

Message Posted:
08/06/2009 08:51

2 bnp euro mps elected !!



http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1191424/March-extremists-BNP-wins-seat-European-Parliament-Labour-crash.html

clarets



Joined: 08/01/2009
Posts: 752

Message Posted:
08/06/2009 11:12

DY1259...please dont post from the point of ignorance.Feel free to have a look at the REAL policies of the BNP....not the ones you think they have or the left wing press state.They have a web-site and ,if you can read,they will put you right. Left wing biggots everywhere these days!

Littlenige



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Posts: 3594

Message Posted:
08/06/2009 11:17

Left wing loonies love democrocy exept when the results do not go their way.



I heard an interesting rumour that inview of the low turnout e.u officals want to make voting compulsery in e.u elections failure to vote or spoiling your ballot paper will cary a term of imprisonment of up to 5 years !!

cronos


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Posts: 2093

Message Posted:
08/06/2009 11:26

Clarets....once again you accuse people of ignorance if their views differ from your own.



Just as a matter of interest....how would the BNP policies affect your beloved NHS if all the overseas nurses and medical staff were "sent back"?

Don't tell me that those jobs would be filled by homegrown talent,because as you know successive recruitment drives have failed....and necessitated the need for massive recruitment drives abroad to keep the NHS running.

mmmmmm



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Posts: 8398

Message Posted:
08/06/2009 11:49

Good morning Clarets, Nige



re 133/4



I'm pretty sure I'm not left of centre in my political viewpoint and can read( and question ) Political Parties pre election "bumpf" literature.



I simply don't understand how someone with a home in Cyprus could vote ( or even understand someone voting ) for a party that if replicated in CY would want you to leave - even -if you had been invited and even fought for your adopted nation.



IF any of you were really involved in the process of attempting to bring in non EU family members to the UK you'd realise that we already have strong immigration laws..





The problem is dealing with folk who arrive without papers who claim political asylum and then disappear or get amnesties.



re 17 KellyBelly,



"I'll be voting BNP"..



Why am I not surprised...? I'll leave you to work out how to explain how it is OK for us to have a half TC lad die in N.I.serving his country - yet vote for party this would have liked to "re-patriate him and one o

mmmmmm



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Message Posted:
08/06/2009 11:50

( cont from msg 136)





of his parents ....

clarets



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Message Posted:
08/06/2009 12:02

Cronos that wasnt my opinion....it was a statement of fact.People talk from many points of ignorance about right wing parties without collecting the facts about what they REALLY stand for

clarets



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Posts: 752

Message Posted:
08/06/2009 12:30

Mark...please feel free to look at the BNP website....it has intersting ideas about lots of things...but forced repatriation definitely is NOT one of them!

mmmmmm



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Posts: 8398

Message Posted:
08/06/2009 12:44

Dear Clarets... re msg 139



Hitler didn't start off be telling everyone that the Jews had to be exterminated.. but this has been a policy of BNP, and if it is not, now, why don't they change their name? They'd get more votes, and be rid of the "racist label"?



Iain, I just heard the leader of the party state "the Poles shouldn't be here"... So which Poles should we send back... ?

mmmmmm



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Message Posted:
08/06/2009 12:45

re msg 139 "this" being repatriation NOT extermination of Jews !

clarets



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Message Posted:
08/06/2009 12:58

Mark....I wasn't aware that Adolf was back in town!

mmmmmm



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Message Posted:
08/06/2009 13:01

Hi Iain, I was hoping someone would address my points - not deflect ! ;)

clarets



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Message Posted:
08/06/2009 13:23

Mark....that is precisely the point. Adolf was a Nazi in WW2 Germany. The BNP are part of modern UK politics...or are until the Stalinists make it illegal to mention them or vote for them.

clarets



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Posts: 752

Message Posted:
08/06/2009 13:28

There are lots more than Nick Griffin saying the very same about Poles,Pakistanis, and just about every other minority you can think of. At least the Poles helped us during the War. There are plenty more who live in the UK and want to change our way of life because it doesnt fit in with their religious ideologies....they can happily go forth to where they came from.I use rather Australian PM type views of such people.If you dont like Anglo-Saxon islands off the Western coast of Europe...clear off!

clarets



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Posts: 752

Message Posted:
08/06/2009 13:31

Mover 321...I refer you to the numbers who died from Blighty itself,the Empire and other countries,"on our behalf" in WW1,in my earlier posting....please feel free to read it. Blighty itself,lost more than the rest of the allies put together !

mmmmmm



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Posts: 8398

Message Posted:
08/06/2009 14:31

Dear Iain



re msg 144/5



>>At least the Poles helped us during the War.<<



Actually, we were supposed to be helping the Poles - THAT's why the UK entered WW2..Did you forget ?!



What did "we" ( UK) do? We let Stalin keep ALL of Poland and part of Poland annexed into the Ukraine in the dastardly Molotov-Ribbentrop pact ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Molotov–Ribbentrop_Pact_negotiations) was and never has been returned ... I think we lost WW2 as "our" aims were not achieved ..



"We" also sent back Ukrainians and Cossacks to certain death ...NOT our finest hour..



re Australians.. we currently refuse visas or entry for Aussies who come here for tourist reasons if we we think they came here to work .... so much for our "anglo-saxon" relations - when the recession bites in Oz expect the same protectionism.



So, back to the Poles.. do you agree with Nick Griffin ? Should THEY be sent home.. ?

If so then we must send back Germans, and of course the Irish... LUNACY

DutchCrusader



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Posts: 11281

Message Posted:
08/06/2009 14:48

RE msg 147, 6xm > "We" also sent back Ukrainians and Cossacks to certain death ...NOT our finest hour.. <



=> To complete your statement and just for the record: More than 1.000.000 men, women and children. Shot or starved after arriving at Odessa or later in Mongolia. Interesting books are available about this "little deal" between Stalin and the UK.



OK. Back to this interesting discussion about "your" BNP. The equivalent unfortunately exists in Holland: Geert Wilders' "Partij Voor de Vrijheid" (Party for Freedom) or PVV. This party was the big winner in the EU Parliamentary elections - obviously there's something very rotten in Denmark, but not only there...

DutchCrusader



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Posts: 11281

Message Posted:
08/06/2009 14:50

RE msg 148: Sorry, Mark, Mongolia = Siberia. *You* know why I got confused.

mmmmmm



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Message Posted:
08/06/2009 15:23

Hey DC, re msg 148/9



I forgot about the Dutch.. if we send back EU citizens then the Dutch are in the "same boat"....;)







How many generations back will you go? What will the Premiership football league be like when we have thrown out all the non EU players..



So come on BNP voters... did you think this through ? If we are going to leave the EU and send back Poles, what about other EU members ? Do you expect them to accept our "non Brits out" policy and not respond in kind... ?

clarets



Joined: 08/01/2009
Posts: 752

Message Posted:
08/06/2009 21:09

I thought it through Mark.....mainstream has got us in the biggest pile of sh** ever imagined.All of them have their snouts in the trough......time for a bit of anarchy,dont you think?

mmmmmm



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Posts: 8398

Message Posted:
08/06/2009 21:18

Hi Iain



re msg 151



I GET it... how many players from Burnley would have to leave if BNP came to power ;)



Would Owen Coyle have to be repatriated ! ?

ilovekibris


Joined: 18/05/2009
Posts: 394

Message Posted:
08/06/2009 21:21

clarets wrote: "time for a bit of anarchy, dont you think?"

In that case I'm going to bag me some fascists.

cronos


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Posts: 2093

Message Posted:
08/06/2009 21:25

It never ceases to amaze me how many Brit racists (closet or otherwise),can't see the irony of spouting their "send 'em back" vitriol,whilst buying and settling abroad themselves.

The Spanish Costas are full of them..... but it's the TRNC that really surprises me....why choose to live in a predominantly Muslim country?



Answers on a scratchcard please.

clarets



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Posts: 752

Message Posted:
08/06/2009 21:35

Msg 152....be very careful what you wish for!

clarets



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Message Posted:
08/06/2009 21:37

Cronos....please feel free to enter the 21 st Century and awaken Rip Van Winkle.....you spouting BNP stuff which is 10 years out of date.

mmmmmm



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Posts: 8398

Message Posted:
08/06/2009 21:45

Dear Iain ( Clarets )



re msg 156



I can assure you Cronos is bang up to date...



Mr Griffin doesn't seem to be to be too consistent.. but Muslims are his current "bete noir" ..



http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/eu/5478224/European-elections-2009-BNP-leader-Nick-Griffin-BNP-profile.html



Thanks to DC

Magbs


Joined: 26/02/2009
Posts: 278

Message Posted:
08/06/2009 21:54

I think you all should read this:



http://www.vdare.com/misc/browne_britain.htm



This article, by Anthony Browne (nobody can call him a racist), gives a good explanation on BNP's rise to power. It was written in 2003, but it seems nothing has changed.

cronos


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Posts: 2093

Message Posted:
08/06/2009 22:05

Msg 156.....*mutters something about leopards and spots *

ilovekibris


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Posts: 394

Message Posted:
08/06/2009 22:30

For all the good people of the forum:

http://www.searchlightmagazine.com/

mmmmmm



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Posts: 8398

Message Posted:
08/06/2009 22:38

Dear ILK,



re msg 160



"Searchlight" is a litle off re Moldovia.. it was a young journalist banned from Russia for daring to raise the issue of corruption in Russian politics who organised a flash mob to protest the results - Moscow wants to ensure a pro Moscow regime..

ilovekibris


Joined: 18/05/2009
Posts: 394

Message Posted:
08/06/2009 22:42

Thanks for the steer, MM. Why not submit a "From Our Correspondent in...." column for Private Eye? Seriously,. I think you could carry it off. ;)

littlejohn


Joined: 09/03/2009
Posts: 316

Message Posted:
08/06/2009 23:09

Many Ms - for a Donaghadee man you often talk a lot of sense but I think you are sowing on very stoney ground !

clarets



Joined: 08/01/2009
Posts: 752

Message Posted:
08/06/2009 23:32

Cronos 152. You again,assume that anyone who may argue in open debate, the opposite of your view is racist ! Does that make you a biggot?

cronos


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Posts: 2093

Message Posted:
08/06/2009 23:35

Clarets.....msg 164....*mutters something about pots,kettles,stones and glasshouses*



Did you answer my query about what the BNP would propose for the thousands of overseas nurses and staff working in the NHS?

mmmmmm



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Posts: 8398

Message Posted:
08/06/2009 23:38

Dear Littlejohn



re msg 163



Since when did I ever amke life easy for myself.. ?



BTW I'm a Holywood man.. ;)

mmmmmm



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Message Posted:
08/06/2009 23:43

Dear ILK, re msg 162



One of my Russian mates told me that the EU was meddling in Moldavia... I simply did a little research and found that Moscow was also just as culpable...



My Dad had a pile of historical books by the side of his bed and used to correct me when I said something "silly" - I hope I'll met him in another life and I'll be able to argue the toss with him ;)

littlejohn


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Posts: 316

Message Posted:
09/06/2009 00:33

Many Ms a place I know well!! Have you had a pint in the Dirty Duck?? Food good to .

mmmmmm



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Message Posted:
09/06/2009 00:38

Hi LJ, re msg 168





I left N.I. in 72 aged 13, and lived back in the north and south of Ireland for a couple of years in the late 90's - I'm afraid I don't know the "Dirty Duck" :( .. I remember Togs ice-cream.. I actually know the bars in Donaghadee, better ;)

minertor



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Posts: 1238

Message Posted:
09/06/2009 00:57

Hi Moover, incongruent??? did you make that up? I've heard of incongruous , incongruity and incongruence, to name but a few. Guess I'll add incongruent to the list, surely you can't be wrong, again, can you?

Lemtich



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Posts: 1487

Message Posted:
09/06/2009 01:39

I know it that many criticise the Poles who know work in our country, but they should watch this.



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yXf1bhEEXd0&feature=related



U-tube has disabled the audio, but the images tell it all,



Lem

ozzieTC


Joined: 15/05/2009
Posts: 48

Message Posted:
09/06/2009 04:56

As I have posted in another thread, the BNP is bad news for the TRNC, and potentially even for expats living in the TRNC. The BNP is opposed to: immigration, Muslims, Turkey, internationalism. Their rhetoric, especially if taken up by the British public, will have a negative impact on UK-Turkey relations, which will strengthen the hand of the griks against the TRNC. The support of the UK is especially important in EU settings where the UK advocates also on behalf of the United States.



Although the BNP on their own are not a concern, in order to capitalise on their support, the Tories will adopt some of their softer policies. And you ought to know three things: (1) the Tories will lead the next government in the UK, (2) The griks and GCs in London have been rallying big time to get Tories elected, in both local councils and the EU parliament, and (3) One of the new conservative Euro MPs elected in the UK is a grik! (Marina Yannakoudakis)

clarets



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Posts: 752

Message Posted:
09/06/2009 13:04

Ozzie....are you an outsider looking in,or an insider looking out ? If the former,please enlighten yourself on UP-TO-DATE policies....not just the stuff you think the BNP represents ! Biggots everywhere !

ozzieTC


Joined: 15/05/2009
Posts: 48

Message Posted:
09/06/2009 13:49

"Enlighten myself" - if only! Let's leave attaining nirvana for another day and aim for a more humble goal - how about you let us all know in which way I am misinformed about the BNP. Their policies per se are not important, what is important are their guiding principles, namely xenophobia. Or am I misinformed about that too?

mmmmmm



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Posts: 8398

Message Posted:
09/06/2009 14:24

Hi Lemtich



re msg 171



The audio worked fine for me, and what's even better, I could actually understand a different branch of a Slavic language to one I'm more familiar with ;)



"Nazis, Nazis, to the right" ..





"I see, I see...."



Thanks for reminding us ;)

minertor



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Posts: 1238

Message Posted:
09/06/2009 21:30

Hi ozzieTC, if the BNP policies per se aren't important, how can their guiding policies be said to be so. The policies per se form an intrinsic principle in said guidelines.

As for Nirvana, leave it to those that know what they want out of death.

Stick to Christianity, I have it on good authority that Jesus lives, but apparently he's working on a much less ambitious project.

That BNP leader had eggs thrown at him outside Westminster today. He was there to answer media questions re. BNP policies. The leader of the attackers, a big black guy with a t-shirt emblazoned with some legend against racism, spoke with a Jim Davidson accent about freedom of speech. Great advert for BNP, must have added a fair (no pun intended) few to their ranks

Magbs


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Message Posted:
09/06/2009 22:59

Re 176,



Marek! (this is your name in that pretty different branch of Slavic;) Where did you hear Nazis?



In fact they said (0:34)

- "Germans, Germans, underneath!"

- " Don't see, where?"

- " Underneath, to the right!"

- " I see them, I see!"



Sorry for off-topic, couldn't stop myself from posting on this lovely language

Magbs


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Message Posted:
09/06/2009 23:01

oops



It should be "re msg 175"

Lemtich



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Message Posted:
10/06/2009 00:01

Mark



Message 175. I posted the 2nd choice. This is the one I was referring to.



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=di0pkn4Rgo4&mode=related&search



Lem

minertor



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Message Posted:
10/06/2009 00:50

cronos, msg 154, why bring the "muslims" into it, most of my neighbours are muslims, look after my garden whilst I'm away, smashing set of people.

clarets, there's only one g in bigot. Agree with most everything else though.

cronos


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Posts: 2093

Message Posted:
10/06/2009 00:55

Minertor.....don't understand your question?



I mentioned muslims in the context that TRNC IS a muslim country....so I find it strange that any BNP supporters with racist tendencies would choose to buy and settle here.



Is this any clearer?

ilovecyprus


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Posts: 2880

Message Posted:
10/06/2009 01:00

In the stock market, if a stock is overvalued it will eventually get corrected. This is the function of selling short. If there is too much yang in the system it will need to shift to ying, to create balance, so as disease does not set in.

Increased votes for the BNP is simply a correction in the system. It's a correction to Labour party which has lost touch with it's own internal compass and the electorate.



What the rich liberal elite do not understand is that humans operate within a pecking order. If you introduce new chickens in to an already established pen there will be an almighty fight for status. This is a tough fight, but it does not involve those at the top of the pecking order only those at the bottom. This is the same for humans, the rich elite don't have to compete, the poorer vulnerable workers have to compete with the economic migrants, it is tough and it creates fear

ilovecyprus


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Message Posted:
10/06/2009 01:01

cont msge 182



Protectionism has three drivers - labour wars, decreased rent and insufficient capital. The labour market is being squeezed and there is a real fear to losing out to economic migrants. People feel unprotected by the Labour party, they feel labour protects the minority, so they seek solidarity in a group that they think will protect them.They know that the BNP doesn’t offer much, but it is taking up the fight. People will fight even if it means their own demise. Why not, there is nothing to lose. Being at the bottom of the pecking guarantees a meaningless and painful existence.



Under labour (supposedly the party of the people) the gap between rich and poor has never been wider in Britain. The lowly British workers are being thrown on the scrap heap. It’s predictable that they will join the BNP and quite frankly I don’t blame them.

mmmmmm



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Message Posted:
10/06/2009 01:19

re msg 177



Magbs



)) Thanks for the correction !



re the "Nazis bit" - I have a very Dear elderly Polish lady friend , who fought both the Nazis and got shelled by the "liberating" Soviets !



She and her husband ended up in Paris and were invited to the UK - they arrived in just about the clothes they wore and both became proud British citizens ;)







She always refers to Germans of that era as Nazis.... I note many Russians call them fascists..

DutchCrusader



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Message Posted:
10/06/2009 09:20

RE msg 1, LondonCypriot > What do people think of BNP - British National Party. <



=> If you really want to know where the BNP leader Griffin found his disgusting and unhealthy ideas - it's here:



http://www.hitler.org/writings/Mein_Kampf/ (in English).



The analogy in both men's careers are striking. Whatever Mr. N. Griffin says *now* - he said terrible things *before*. A leopard cannot change its spots. Don't let Griffin fool you - men like him are not the solution to anything.



Unfortunately you find men like him in every European country. They don't deserve the slightest chance to gain any power - so history teaches us.

mmmmmm



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Message Posted:
10/06/2009 10:18

Dear ILC



re 182



>>It’s predictable that they will join the BNP and quite frankly I don’t blame them.<<



I *do* there are some highly intelligent and articulate people preying on folks "fears" and talking up blaming foreigners...



We are going through a world- wide recession - and most countries have seen a rise in parties that offer a racist / protectionist solution..



The policies don't offer a workable solution...e.g. "voluntary repatriation".. Put yourself in the shoes of a second or third generation Pakistani.... would YOU want to go live there - if you could stay in the UK.. esp if your family was here?

ilovecyprus


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Message Posted:
10/06/2009 10:39

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I don't endorse the BNP nor believe that they have any credible policies. I am interested in knowing why the BNP has increased it's share of the electorate, it's increased, so there is a reason for it.

I know a large number of second generation Indian, Pakistani and Sri Lankans. They tell me they are not happy with the UK's immigration polcy.

clarets



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Message Posted:
10/06/2009 12:11

Minertor....the attack was by a group which is actively sponsored by the main parties to kill off democratic choice in the UK. Such attacks will only lend power to the elbow of the BNP. The main parties are very scared of giving them any platform......in case "normal people" actually prefer them!

DutchCrusader



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Message Posted:
10/06/2009 12:25

RE msg 188, clarets: "Normal" people voted for the NSDAP from 1919 (for many of the same reasons now quoted by followers/sympathisers of the BNP) - until there was no choice during elections anymore. And remember how Hitler c.s. created "a Jewish problem" - like Griffin creates "a Moslim problem" now (after he created and "forgot" some other "problems"). Imo integration and dialogue is the only viable answer.

clarets



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Message Posted:
10/06/2009 14:36

DC....you appear to have Adolf mixed up with Nick Griffin....two very different characters. You are one of the "outsiders staring in". Please feel free to have a look at the web-site of the BNP,before the make the same mistake as many,of damning before cognizance !

Magbs


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Message Posted:
10/06/2009 17:47

re msg 184



Mark,

I also know some great elderly Polish people. Among them those of Jewish ethnicity experienced even more "adventurous" life. They fought the Nazis, during or after the war got sent to Kazakhstan and various Gulag camps. Those that choose to return home from the USSR were severely attacked by the "true" Poles. Pogroms, blood libel accusations, actions provoked by both Stalinist regime and anti-communist underground…Thus the Nazis task was completed and now the survivors are proud American, Israeli, Argentinean and even British citizens.



"She always refers to Germans of that era as Nazis....I note many Russians call them fascists."

You are right, that what they were taught since the early days of the Comintern. Today the term is one of the most misused and overused, it is just a political epithet as it became a synonym for almost everything people do not like.

ilovekibris


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Message Posted:
10/06/2009 18:16

Those who support the BNP are either ignorant, xenophobic or racist. By definition.

mmmmmm



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Message Posted:
10/06/2009 18:23

Mark, ILC, re 187



>> don't endorse the BNP nor believe that they have any credible policies<< OK, I'm sorry ! .. I just can't see how ANYONE can understand why someone WOULD vote for 'em ;)



>>I know a large number of second generation Indian, Pakistani and Sri Lankans. They tell me they are not happy with the UK's immigration policy.<<



That's probably because current UK immigration Policy makes it nearly IMPOSSIBLE for them to invite relatives.. not to stay - just to visit...



A Muslim man can only bring in one wife !



As I said.. the UK's immigration laws are quite strict for LEGAL applicants

ilovecyprus


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Message Posted:
10/06/2009 22:05

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2nd generation Blacks and Asians were a minority in most schools except some inner London schools. These kids learnt English and British customs. They see themselves as British and act in very British ways (obvioulsy many respect their own cultures). Yes there were occasional scuffles and tension between asians and white brits, but I very rarely experienced any conflict between blacks and whites. So the story was looking reasonably good.



I have been reading some articles by George Monbiot the liberal writer. I like some of his stuff, but he said 'that there should be know such thing as patriotism. If there is no patriotism a country cannot call people to arms. No one will fight because there is no central identity.' Now this assertion got me thinking. Can humans circumvent their tribal instincts and live without the certainty of a shared identity? I really don't know, and I do get a little worried when these highly intellectual liberals start

ilovecyprus


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Message Posted:
10/06/2009 22:06

pushing the boundaries of what humans may be capable of. I am reminded of John Gray (the director of Human thought) that our fanciful thinking could be a very dangerous outgrowth of Christianity, which makes it our divine right to walk on water, to achieve the impossible dream. It is true that perhaps our neural circuitry will upgrade to allow us to incorporate the whole tribe of humanity as our family, but the software is a bit limited at the moment. Humans are tribal and used to banding in small tribes. Other tribes are potentially dangerous if we can’t relate to them.



So, we now have pluralism and relatavism, all views, religions are of equal merit. Okay that’s fine I understand it’s merits, it’s a gentle and kind ideology, in intent that is. It believes that there is no such thing as a hierachy, all things are the same, but this is it’s massive blind spot. It can’t see that it has created it’s own hierachy. It believes it’s views are right and others are wrong, so it lives at

ilovecyprus


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Message Posted:
10/06/2009 22:06

the top of the hierachy. It also gets deeply upset if someone doesn’t toe it’s line i.e throwing eggs at the Nick Griffen. It’s intent is liberal, perhaps benign in nature, but is it any different from fascism. ‘It’s my way or the highway. If you don’t agree with me then you are racist and therefore scum.’ It doesn’t allow debate or dialogue, unless you are in it’s group.



So, we have our poorly educated white male worker. He has been told about social mobility, but this liberal dream hasn’t worked for him. He is still at the bottom of the ladder. His friends are in the same social class and they will probably vote for labour. They have always done so, their identity is wrapped up in labour (these are the people that need to change – it’s a fundamentalist attitude to choose the same party regardless – that’s a little dig from me)

ilovecyprus


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Message Posted:
10/06/2009 22:07