Mediterranean Nightmares Friday 5th June ITV1 8pm

ozzieTC


Joined: 15/05/2009
Posts: 48

Message Posted:
03/06/2009 16:56

British television program about exchanged property in the TRNC, not for the feint of heart!!



Mediterranean Nightmares: Friday 5th JuneITV. Many Greek Cypriots were forced to flee when the island was partitioned in 1974 and thousands of properties have since been sold by the new Turkish residents, in some cases to Britons wanting holiday homes. A recent landmark ruling by the European Court of Justice decrees one such holiday home owner must return his land to its original resident. Mike Nicholson investigates whether others could lose properties in the same way. Postponed from Friday 22 May SUB

News Magazine/Current Affairs

Friday 5th June on ITV 1 from 8:00pm to 8:30pm Also: at least one other Episode

TourGuide


Joined: 20/05/2009
Posts: 735

Message Posted:
03/06/2009 17:00

If anyone wants to see the above Program The Paradise will be showing it from 10.00 pm TRNC Time.

cronos


Joined: 26/10/2008
Posts: 2093

Message Posted:
03/06/2009 17:02

Tourguide.....will a change of underwear be provided ?

TourGuide


Joined: 20/05/2009
Posts: 735

Message Posted:
03/06/2009 17:12

Cronos.

You never know u might be in it.

cronos


Joined: 26/10/2008
Posts: 2093

Message Posted:
03/06/2009 17:27

I doubt it.....unless it focuses on the TRNC government's reluctance to give PTP and freehold title to foreigners on Pre-74 Turkish Title Deed properties !

fire starter


Joined: 19/06/2008
Posts: 3401

Message Posted:
03/06/2009 17:44

cronos,

yours will happen just be patient!

the new gov said they were going to speed things up, just hope they do!

have you been to the office and checked recently?

cronos


Joined: 26/10/2008
Posts: 2093

Message Posted:
03/06/2009 18:00

You'll never believe it firestarter....but it's "still with the military".



It's only been 30 months....I should be more patient .

TimothyCadman


Joined: 13/12/2007
Posts: 1040

Message Posted:
03/06/2009 21:03

At least htis time there's less chance of it being pulled due to some other big news story, primarily because there isn't one.

greylag


Joined: 08/04/2009
Posts: 1110

Message Posted:
03/06/2009 21:19

Tim,

Plenty more m.p.s to resign that would be bigger news,

G.

Jo Valentine


Joined: 10/02/2008
Posts: 508

Message Posted:
04/06/2009 10:04

Hi

Just seen this on the Cyprus Eastern Forum (Larnaca area).



"I’ve been advised that the ‘Mediterranean Nightmares: Tonight’ programme on ITV1 tomorrow evening (5th June) between 8:00pm and 8:30pm will contain a piece on the situation regarding SNK Venus Homes Developers.

Regards , Nigel Howarth"



Maybe for oce it's not just TRNC property problems to be shown in a bad light!

Jo Valentine

blinky



Joined: 07/12/2008
Posts: 187

Message Posted:
04/06/2009 18:48

is it on???, not on my listing up in Cumbria!!

canyavuz


Joined: 22/02/2009
Posts: 363

Message Posted:
04/06/2009 19:21

This program must have some sort of Greek cypriot producer behind it...........guaranteed!



Let's see what bu** they're going to feed viewers minds.

phylray



Joined: 21/09/2007
Posts: 1727

Message Posted:
05/06/2009 02:38

Oh sh... can't watch it as I will be going out with family for

a meal before watching 7 year old granddaughter's dance show

at the Kilmarnock Palace. 2nd year and can't miss it. Hope there's

a repeat but no doubt you will let me know what happens, won't ya?

rigsby


Joined: 21/09/2007
Posts: 912

Message Posted:
05/06/2009 11:37

Think its repeated on sunday,not sure of the time though.

canyavuz


Joined: 22/02/2009
Posts: 363

Message Posted:
05/06/2009 13:24

no worries phylray...........i'll update you on every detail.....wouldn't miss this for anything

lovelife


Joined: 07/07/2007
Posts: 231

Message Posted:
05/06/2009 15:38

Repeated

Sunday 7th June 03.50 hours ITV 1



Subject to change as Tonight reacts to the news.

Nickdegreek


Joined: 05/06/2009
Posts: 1

Message Posted:
05/06/2009 16:20

Ive always believed that the day the cyprus problem starts to be broadcasted in someway or another on british tv, will be the start to a real solution of the problem.

Its quite simple really , northern cyprus is only recognised by turkey and no other country. Im sure this in itself says alot in terms of the wrongness of the occupation of the north and also includes the rightfull turkish owners land on the south.

Well i truely believe if turkey wants to join EU they must give back the land and make cyprus the way it was before 1974. It makes sense to give back land to the rightfull owners of northern cyprus and the minority of turkish cypriots in the south to be able to benefit 70million turkish people in turkey.

if for some reason the problem is not solved by the time turkey gets into the eu then hope for the cyprus problem will just fade to nothing im afraid.

canyavuz


Joined: 22/02/2009
Posts: 363

Message Posted:
05/06/2009 23:03

Load of crap.

Lies upon lies. The stupid presenter said the Greek cypriot woman has not seen her land since 74, but the woman herself stated that she visited it last year. She knew very well that construction took place.

Her exaggeration was FAKE, unrealistic, and for the purposes of propaganda.

The presenter did NOT know his facts. Nor did he get the TC view other than the manager of the construction firm.



How can you think that the homes of 6,000 may be knocked down? They donot have jurisdiction over the NORTH! People need to get this into their brains. If they have no jurisdiction, they can do nothing, and the TRNC & Republic of Turkey will NOT allow resettlement of Greek Cypriots in the North, nor would they allow the homes to be knocked over.

The only thing they would do is pay compensation, which they have done in the past, and will do so in the future, but NO land with inhabitants or owners will be given back!

sporty


Joined: 06/12/2007
Posts: 685

Message Posted:
05/06/2009 23:07

i understand that,but what if they can get to your uk assets?big difference methinks if they can.

rowlo



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Posts: 4796

Message Posted:
05/06/2009 23:12

msg 18 , spot on //////

TheSaints



Joined: 28/01/2009
Posts: 1369

Message Posted:
05/06/2009 23:17

Not a problem, No UK assets anymore and I don't own the place here my wife does but then she is a Kyrgyz citizen, not in Europe the last time I checked, ahhhhh life is good in the TRNC

TheSaints



Joined: 28/01/2009
Posts: 1369

Message Posted:
05/06/2009 23:25

It get's better I have been out of the UK system for 18 years and I have no state pension entitlements, looks like I have nothing to lose............

AlsancakJack



Joined: 14/08/2008
Posts: 5762

Message Posted:
05/06/2009 23:34

Mike

Us oily's are a canny lot.

I will phone you soon.

AJ

wynyardman



Joined: 15/12/2007
Posts: 4580

Message Posted:
05/06/2009 23:36

Jock1,



What was your point? Oh yes........"Bring back the birch"



wynger

AlsancakJack



Joined: 14/08/2008
Posts: 5762

Message Posted:
05/06/2009 23:37

arbee

'Very lucky then, you’ve only got Interpol to worry about when traveling'

Well done, an absolutely crass reply.

Explain.

I bet you can't

TheSaints



Joined: 28/01/2009
Posts: 1369

Message Posted:
05/06/2009 23:38

OK AJ look forward to it mate.....

TheSaints



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Posts: 1369

Message Posted:
05/06/2009 23:41

Not a problem I am a non UK resident and have been for many years now, would they like to see my liberian passport or my Russian one.......

eager


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Posts: 1272

Message Posted:
05/06/2009 23:43

Wow......., everyones getting so uptight !!

TheSaints



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Posts: 1369

Message Posted:
05/06/2009 23:46

Not on here eager,



Light hearted banter as usual....

fairy



Joined: 30/11/2008
Posts: 40

Message Posted:
05/06/2009 23:47

Live by the law of the land ...and the lawyers and protectors of this land are turkish...not greek...not english, protect your assets elsewhere, in case those dopes at the EU do sway the British courts (i thinks not), and has been said many times "dont worry, be happy". I dont see many turkish cypriots panicking...!

Jetski


Joined: 21/07/2008
Posts: 584

Message Posted:
05/06/2009 23:48

Especially Arbee! - keep it coming chaps!

alsuguy


Joined: 29/04/2009
Posts: 8

Message Posted:
05/06/2009 23:48

Dear Sir or Madam,



Your programme featuring Northern Cyprus was a complete travesty in that the majority of the reporting, whilst being a repeat of a previous programme in 2005, bore little relation to the facts outside the Oram's case as well as spectacularly failing to put out a complete picture.



Whilst the detail on the Oram's case was quite correct and the discussions with them was relevant this only took up about half the programme. The remainder of the programme while purporting to be about the Land issue was wildly inaccurate for the following two reasons.



1. A large segment of the programme surrounded a huge unfinished building site with commentary from a journalist stating that this was all because of the a disputed land issue with the Greeks. This is utter nonsense as the building site, known as Amaranta Valley has been a failure because of a building scam involving both Turk Cypriots and British developers. They have run off with the money and that is why the dev

rowlo



Joined: 12/10/2008
Posts: 4796

Message Posted:
05/06/2009 23:50

hey greek msg 24 , were ,EU citizens , we can go anywhere ,in the world , weve already been checked by interpol , you got in the back door , wait till you want to travel, when they see you as the murdering bastaxxs you really are , and your motherland disown you because turkey is more important to shipping etc etc and american strategics , ie, middle east , your a cowpat , on your own face , but hey , its great in the good old TRNC XXXXXXX long live KKTC enjoy stavrosXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX

alsuguy


Joined: 29/04/2009
Posts: 8

Message Posted:
05/06/2009 23:52

development ground to a halt over 2 years ago and it has nothing to do with Land Ownership.



2. A further segment featured Marian Stokes who runs the Home Buyers Pressure Group in TRNC. Once again the programme totally distorted the facts regarding Marian and the Oram's. Firstly; the reason Marian is not in her house is all to do with a 'dodgy' Turkish Cypriot builder and developers and nothing to do with Greek Ownership as was suggested. Secondly her pressure group only exassipates the problems of ownership as she had a disagreement with the Turkish Cypriot government who have NOT given permissions to Brit buyers. Marian is in fact campaigning for the right to buy disputed land with no regard to the Greek Vs Turkish land dispute and it has nothing to do with the Orams case who infact DID have 'Permissions to Buy'. This was a red herring and not directly relevant.



My other concern is that the programme failed to mention two significant points that would balance the argument inst

alsuguy


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Posts: 8

Message Posted:
05/06/2009 23:52

1. The programme stressed that thousands of Brits could lose out if the Greeks were able to claw back land following the 1974 invasion however there was NO mention of the 150, 000 Turks and Turkish Cypriot 'illegal' dwellers who could supposedly be made homeless for living on so called 'swap' land. It is total nonsense to imagine that 200,000 people will be made homeless not just a few thousand Brits. This is part of a wider issue over the future of Cyprus and will one day be resolved politically with an agreement which may include compensation but not mass deportation.



2. The programme also failed to acknowledge the reverse side of the argument whereby Greeks and Brits in the South of Cyprus own land that formally belonged to Turkish Cypriots. In fact its is believed that Larnaca airport is build on previously Turkish Cypriot land. Why was there no mention of this to balance the programme.





The programme was not only a dredged up repeat of an old issue regarding the Orams

cypwine


Joined: 09/05/2009
Posts: 177

Message Posted:
05/06/2009 23:52

probaly because there arnt many turkish cypriots left to be panicked fairy..and the ones that are still here have no need to panic as this is there homeland and many are now being protected by the only officially recognised goverment in cyprus..

Perry


Joined: 27/01/2007
Posts: 413

Message Posted:
05/06/2009 23:55

It really was a load of crap and so one sided. Loved the way the presenter was reporting on Cyprus in 74 which they flash back to with him on it - no mention of why the Turks had to step in to prevent genocide - simply that they were invading and forcing the greeks south. The whole program was rubbish - linking snippits to create a prefabrication - the opening scenes were of villas being demolished - in spain !! - but no mention of that fact, to leave the suggestion that was going on in Cyprus. The producers should be ashamed

alsuguy


Joined: 29/04/2009
Posts: 8

Message Posted:
05/06/2009 23:55

The programme was not only a dredged up repeat of an old issue regarding the Orams but it was not a fair representation of all the facts on both sides of the argument. Worst of all parts of the programme were a misrepresentation of the truth specifically in regard to the Amaranta development.



This poor and inaccurate journalism or scaremongering should be looked at by the relevant broadcasting authority.

mmmmmm



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Posts: 8398

Message Posted:
05/06/2009 23:59

re 32 Fairy



>>> live by the law of the land<<



Which is EXACTLY why the Orams' are in the predicament they'r in.... the law - as respected other than by Turkey - is the of the recognised govt... and the "dopes" in Ireland UK, etc. HAVE to respect that...



>>>I don't see many TCs panicking<<<



Why would they - unless they have assets in the EU? TCs had to live somewhere - the mistake - as the prog pointed out - was to allow the sale of "exchange" land for private gain..:(

fairy



Joined: 30/11/2008
Posts: 40

Message Posted:
06/06/2009

Have to say that all over europe a shift of people and cultures is inevitable through immigration, and that is what has happened in north cyprus. Difference being is that immigrants are mainly british and solvent...!!! I thought the programme was simple in the extreme and can not be compared to the problems people have encountered in Spain etc.

RE MESS 38; I am not panicking either.

andre 514


Joined: 31/03/2008
Posts: 1163

Message Posted:
06/06/2009 00:04

nickdegreek message 17:



give it all back and turkey can join the eu: but on which planet though?

france and germany say that turkish membership is"inappropriate" and that is that



and instead of presecuting the oram pensioners,

it would be fairer to end the totally illegal blockade of north cyprus

and nick de greek

AlsancakJack



Joined: 14/08/2008
Posts: 5762

Message Posted:
06/06/2009 00:05

arbee

'Elementary… if you dodge an EU court then a warrant for your arrest will be issued and international policing authorities like Interpol may be utilized to collect you, which they often do at airports when you least expect it…'



You do make me laugh, and what are they going to do to me if I have no EU assets? throw me in jail?

Get real.

mmmmmm



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Posts: 8398

Message Posted:
06/06/2009 00:05

re msg 41 Arbee!



When do you think we'll see GCs with warrants from the UK from the Inland Revenue being extradited from the "rump" RoC.. The RoC courtsweren't allowing it's citizens to be extradited... How on earth can we expect the UK to enforce warrants if the "rump" RoC isn't playing "ball" !!!????



What offence would TheSaints be arrested for... If you believe it might be the recent Criminalisation of dealing / buying / selling GC owned property - I am waiting to see any prominent beneficiary be served and the warrant enforced....

Tiggy


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Posts: 1994

Message Posted:
06/06/2009 00:10

Change the record Pike.

fairy



Joined: 30/11/2008
Posts: 40

Message Posted:
06/06/2009 00:10

RE mmmm, mess 42



Have the Orams lost one lemon off they're trees in north cyprus...No.

Assets in the EU, are the only way MAYBE you could be punished by a very biased greek sided eu law.

The law is the law, mmmm and here that is only applicable to Turkey yes, so if you are protected within the EU, regarding assets, I do not know why the panic...?

I also think, as the Orams stated, that it is a political task not a legal task (to sort out the land issue), the latter is an underhand backdoor tactic.

fairy



Joined: 30/11/2008
Posts: 40

Message Posted:
06/06/2009 00:14

RE;arbee mess 47

I stand corrected I meant regarding this programme, but then again this is all the programme set out to deal with, re; british buyers.

AlsancakJack



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Posts: 5762

Message Posted:
06/06/2009 00:16

arbee

Has immigration changed the demographics of the South? I think you will find that the South has (as any other EU member state) got a large influx of EU and non EU nationalities. Tell me that is not true.

kirkdokuz


Joined: 05/06/2009
Posts: 1

Message Posted:
06/06/2009 00:16

everybody talking about greeks moving to the south . But nobody talks about turkish cypriots moving to the north. The greeks occupied all the turkish cypriots properties as well and they are selling these properties.

When greeks moved to the south the turks moved to the north. I believed this was done by some sort of agrement at the time. Anyway the ottomans leased the cyprus island to the british. When the lease ended they should have given back to the turks. At the time when two leaders are talking these shouldnt happen. I dont blame the turks if they stop the negotiation. I think the best will be CYPRUS TURKISH PEOPLE JOIN TO TURKEY, LIKE HATAY AND end all this nonsense. The day europe accepted SOUTH cyprus to be a member

to the EU. that was a disaster for CYPRUS proplem never to be solved. It was referandum and EU accepted the side who said NO.for peace. THE TURKISH CYPRIOT SAID YES and they were left to to join turkey. they should stop talking for solution at once. thank you.

Tiggy


Joined: 25/07/2007
Posts: 1994

Message Posted:
06/06/2009 00:17

Same olde guff. get a life.

mmmmmm



Joined: 19/12/2008
Posts: 8398

Message Posted:
06/06/2009 00:21

Dear Fairy



re msg 49



1/ It is Mr Apostolides land...



2/ He lost the Lemon Trees when "someone" claiming to be a "govt" allowed the Orams' to have a house built an what is STILL his land as far as the ECHR have ruled on numerous occasions.... TR *is* a member of the "club" that has to resppect ECHR ruling.. yes?



3/ So please explain how the ECHR findings are "Greek" biased and how ECJ rulings on EU law are biased to "Greeks"



4/ Underhand - is surely selling on something you know you don't own.... if there was any doubting that before - it is well known, now.



If the GCs were wise they would be respecting ECHR rulings and using the local remedy Turkey had to provide - the IPC... and THAT is why any person who is subject to a similar action HAS to defend themselves in the RoC Courts and suggest that the aggrieved GC should be using the ECHR remedy. GCs can't pick and choose the rulings that suit them...

Tiggy


Joined: 25/07/2007
Posts: 1994

Message Posted:
06/06/2009 00:22

Wow.... what interesting stats. Not the first or the last time you will publish them.

fairy



Joined: 30/11/2008
Posts: 40

Message Posted:
06/06/2009 00:24

RE mess 56;



mmm I wonder why, alienation economicaly by the whole world did'nt help the Tc's, economic migrants forced to leave a homeland they previously had not endured a happy homelife with the nieghbours..!

mmmmmm



Joined: 19/12/2008
Posts: 8398

Message Posted:
06/06/2009 00:26

re 57



Arbee



A couple of years back two RoC citizens were requested by the Court of England and Wales to attend for trial on Tax related offences... the RoC Court refused to allow their extradition claiming their constitution didn't allow it ... France has a similar law, I believe....



It is my understanding that this contrevenes EU law.

mmmmmm



Joined: 19/12/2008
Posts: 8398

Message Posted:
06/06/2009 00:36

Dear Fairy, re msg 60.. I didn't write msg 56..so I'm trying to understand which msg you are responding to ;) !



Many TCs left as the Orthodox Church was lending CGS dosh to buy 'em out at prices above market... Many left as a result of the situation poliically and many left post 74 ...



I maintain declaring "independence" and claiming to be a nation has allowed GCs to legally "box" TCs.. it was NOT a wise move and has ensured "isolation"..



Post the Annan YES in 2004 "we" ( EU/ US etc) should have rewarded the TCs as they were prepared to trust the EU and GCs in a bi-zonal solution.. but how to do this ... as the GCs point out the "TRNC" is legally invalid..



The TCs and TR could and should have been smarter and the economic hardship/ isolation is largely the folly of their earlier leaders.. who have always said "recognise "TRNC" and we'll talk"....

TimothyCadman


Joined: 13/12/2007
Posts: 1040

Message Posted:
06/06/2009 00:38

In the end if the Greek Cypriots want the land back they'll have to goto war over it. They lost the land in a fight and so to get it back must do the same.

If the greek Cypriots want the law to help them then the TRNC must be recognised as a country. The TRNC must be in Europe if the European Laws are going to have any effect. The TRNC must have a place at the United Nations table. The TRNC must be given the opportunity to be part of NATO.

As anyone of the above is most unlikely to happen then Greek Cypriots only have the tactics of Bullying and intimidation to do their bidding. 25 years, give or take a day or so, the TRNC has stood and so it will continue for millenia yet. Not until the day the rest of the world say, "we understnad why Turkey invaded and believe it was just that", will the TRNC be able to equal in the world.

The other scenario is that Turkey as a State is ruled by someone other than the Turks themselves then the TRNC fall into somone elses hands and an answer found

fairy



Joined: 30/11/2008
Posts: 40

Message Posted:
06/06/2009 00:39

RE mess 58;



Dear Mmm, we both know that Turkey has completed 10 of its proposed 35 points of interest to join the Eu, and is doing its utmost to bring itself into line with the human rights directive.

This is all beside the point.

I ask you; Do you believe the Orams should lose 1 penny in all of this and, should the political complexities of this island rest on theyr'e shoulders.

I say no.

Do you not think they bought in good faith ?

Mr Apostolides lost his land in the political upheavals of 74.

AlsancakJack



Joined: 14/08/2008
Posts: 5762

Message Posted:
06/06/2009 00:39

arbee

Message 55

' you cannot escape debt collection in the 21st century.'



You can and it is a profitable business.

You need to do a bit more research I think.

fairy



Joined: 30/11/2008
Posts: 40

Message Posted:
06/06/2009 00:43

Dear Mmmm re mess 56; re mess 62; Sorry just put an Mmmm in by mistake was not in reference to you..(vino).

AlsancakJack



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Posts: 5762

Message Posted:
06/06/2009 00:51

arbee



Ref message 56



'yes the RoC has had immigration and if you want to be literal then yes the demographics will have changed but the RoC still has over 90% RoC Citizens (GCs) whereas the influx of settlers in the north outnumber the TCs , in fact whereas the TCs were 18% of the Islands population in 1974 they now number only 11% of the Islands population today'



I would like to challenge the figures that you have presented and will do once I have 'phoned a friend' but answer the following:



So what are you going to do when the TRNC and Turkey end up being members of the EU? Greece and Cyprus being over-run by Turks and Turkish Cypriots. Get real. Is that what the Greeks and Greek Cypriots want?

Unfortunately GC's cannot see further than the end of their noses.

andre 514


Joined: 31/03/2008
Posts: 1163

Message Posted:
06/06/2009 00:56

arbee:



I have to question your motives because in an earlier posting what you're actually claiming is:



you are on this forum to "save people money"



if you want your laws to help you remove the demon occupying half your brain



you must first agree a genuine compromise deal then you may perhaps get some of what you want

AlsancakJack



Joined: 14/08/2008
Posts: 5762

Message Posted:
06/06/2009 01:09

arbee

I think you are missing something here, reunification will mean the TRNC's EU membership suspension being resolved and with the Cyprus problem sorted then Turkey will gain entry to the EU also. What planet are you on?

andre 514


Joined: 31/03/2008
Posts: 1163

Message Posted:
06/06/2009 01:09

arbee "save people money" ricardos:



and er... who are we dealing with here arbee I or arbee II? blue watch arbee or red watch arbee?



of course turkey will never get the right to be an eu member



as divided kosovo also never will



the blockade will eventually run out of steam and the trnc will earn de facto recognition



while interlopers from south cyprus will never "convert" the northerners and their friends



since turkey's do not vote for xmas (sorry about the pun)

fairy



Joined: 30/11/2008
Posts: 40

Message Posted:
06/06/2009 01:22

Well Arbee we are he *1 you dont want to talk to,(RE mess 75) so why oh why do you keep posting.....yaaaaaaawnnnn...???

taraspring


Joined: 25/01/2009
Posts: 571

Message Posted:
06/06/2009 01:28

Enough people.



Stop and think.

Was there a level playimg field in 1963, 1974 or now?

If, like me, in 1974, a sense of relief came over you when you saw those Turkish soldiers parachutimg into NC to rescue those women and children caught up in the killing, I would say you are absolutely normal. If not for urgent help go to Tara's Problem Page or Confessional Box!

fairy



Joined: 30/11/2008
Posts: 40

Message Posted:
06/06/2009 01:30

You are a card honey, and I am not that furry...! more of a fairy...mm

fairy



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Posts: 40

Message Posted:
06/06/2009 01:32

Sorry re mess 81 Arbee....

Need Tara talk now..!

WAZ-24-7



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Posts: 695

Message Posted:
06/06/2009 01:47

It is clear that many ROC citizens are agreived with the influx of mainland Turks to the TRNC. This xenophobic attitude is surely one that could soon be seen to backfire.

The ROC as a fully pledged EU state now has little control over European Union populus movments . Such population migrations are very evident in the UK and accross other affluent European states.

Turkish migrants to the TRNC have been in part necessary in providing labour for the developing economy.



It is most unlikely as time passes that the ROC will be able to revert the de-facto situation. Enosis and other campaigns of decades ago will not return the Northern part of the Island to GC dominance. Turkish influence and support is far too secure to be easily destroyed. The ROC has neither the military or financial clout to force any change in the TRNC. Political and legal cards are the only ones in the ROC hand. How they play that hand is quickly emerging.

AlsancakJack



Joined: 14/08/2008
Posts: 5762

Message Posted:
06/06/2009 01:54

arbee

Message 78

'I think there’s as much chance of Turkey joining the EU as there is for Cyprus to join the OIC!'



Part of Cyprus is already a member of the OIC and a founder member at that.

The-Wicks


Joined: 27/05/2007
Posts: 2279

Message Posted:
06/06/2009 02:02

Thank you WAZ-24-7 for putting this into "Layman's Terms".



I, for one, very much appreciate it.



With thanks.



J

CyprusChill


Joined: 08/05/2009
Posts: 666

Message Posted:
06/06/2009 04:29

Documentary - Nicosia Hospital - 1974 and the pre years ?

JamesB


Joined: 07/02/2007
Posts: 450

Message Posted:
06/06/2009 10:18

Same old Same old.

Haven't been on for a while got bored with all the bickering.

Not what it as like on here inthe old days!!

Funny how Greek Cypriot history books only go back to 1974.

With being away for a while is pike now arbee?

Jamesb

Stubs


Joined: 01/07/2008
Posts: 641

Message Posted:
06/06/2009 10:58

Many ex-pats do have a rather biased opinion of a solution which is very little to do with sympathy towards Turkish Cypriots but more to do with buying Esdeger deeds. Most ex-pats use this as a smokescreen as a form of "self preservation".



Furthermore there are also some who obviously have not done research on Cyprus or have been ignorant of the facts. Esdeger deeds are cheaper than TC or foreign title deeds for a reason that reason being that there is more risk attached to them. Having said that it is more than likely that some sort of compensation will be made in the majority of cases for the land.

Littlenige



Joined: 24/12/2006
Posts: 3594

Message Posted:
06/06/2009 10:59

I can say pike is most defiantly not arbee pike is a well respected and knowledgeable journalist.



Arbeee I will let you form your own opinion.

Tiggy


Joined: 25/07/2007
Posts: 1994

Message Posted:
06/06/2009 12:20

arbee/pike has to be a machine. As he is on this thing 24/7 spouting the same old crap, under several different names and is a liar. Pity he can not contribute (even though banned) to other links on the forum other than his paranoia of Turks and 1974.



Wonder if he thinks the Irish should get the pockets of land back back that the British Empire stole from the families that owned and occupied it ?? Or was that just the spoils of war.

andre 514


Joined: 31/03/2008
Posts: 1163

Message Posted:
06/06/2009 12:21

stubs,



agree 100% about esdeger

and you are absolutely spoilt for choice at the moment



but everybody has one reason or another for the "views" they hold

it's not a smokescreen, it's called "vested interest"



agree !00% that compensation could play some role

in a reunification of the two cyprus states,

in the increasingly unlikely event it should ever happen



not too sure about ptp for turkish title nowadays tho'

jay76


Joined: 17/07/2008
Posts: 532

Message Posted:
06/06/2009 12:56

I bet, the orams house will still be standing in 10 years time along with all the other homes,



But unless the trnc government put some sort of confidence publicly back in to the hearts of everyone then its just going to be a downward spiral for the norths economy as it is already halfway there.

andre 514


Joined: 31/03/2008
Posts: 1163

Message Posted:
06/06/2009 16:23

jay,



my hunch is that the ballyhoo about our two unfortunate pensioners

has no real connection at all with "getting back" north cyprus,

neither is it about a payoff, that's totally uneconomic with huge legal costs,

nor is it to acheive some token political point in the broadest sense

because

granted the dark side will forever achieve zilch unless they learn to compromise

but it does score in a narrow, parochial political context:

one of their local politicians said recently that the first priority was

"to restore properties to their owners" (sic)



when a politician makes such an earnest statement I don't believe it

but ten brownie points to him for "proving" to greek cypriot voters

he is "really" very concerned indeed about their problem...



cue more huge dollops of "huff and puff" from our darkside membership

(what have I done?)

ilovekibris


Joined: 18/05/2009
Posts: 394

Message Posted:
06/06/2009 17:02

the bsaints wrote: "would they like to see my liberian passport or my Russian one......."

Which one's the dodgier?

TheSaints



Joined: 28/01/2009
Posts: 1369

Message Posted:
06/06/2009 17:11

Sorry but you will have to try another line of attack, both passports are completely legit so is my Kyrgyz passport in fact all four of my passports are 100% legit.. are you legitimate?????

ilovekibris


Joined: 18/05/2009
Posts: 394

Message Posted:
06/06/2009 17:20

@ The Saints,



Why would someone need FOUR passports if there wasn't something dodgy (or rather strange) about them?

James Bond you ain't. He would not be seen dead buying in a place like TRNC.

Hector


Joined: 26/08/2008
Posts: 2352

Message Posted:
06/06/2009 23:02

I keep asking but don't get a response. What are the NC politicians doing about this issue? Have any of them stood up and said that they intend to support or look after the interests of people of whatever nationality, who bought exchange land (as the Orams did) in good faith, promised & reassured that it was perfectly legal and secure by estate agents, lawyers and impliedly by silence to the contrary by the TRNC government?

TheSaints



Joined: 28/01/2009
Posts: 1369

Message Posted:
06/06/2009 23:16

ILK...



It is very easy to explain, nothing dodgy or strange at all, work sometimes dictates that I go into sensitive areas even the Brit Govt allowed me two passports because of this, the liberian passport I obtained when I got Liberian merchant marine papers, Kyrgyz passport I got when my wife who is a Kyrgyz citizen and I lived in Kygyzstan and I obtained my Russian passport when we relocated to Russia and my wife got Russian citizenship...

Correct James Bond I ain't and of course he would not be seen dead buying in the TRNC he is a fictional character....