Crime statistics....who's to blame ?

cronos


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Message Posted:
03/06/2009 18:21

As part of the package of lies fed to me by estate agents 3 years ago when we were searching for property,was the premise that the TRNC was virtually crime free.



In recent months there seems to have been a plethora of postings about burglaries in all areas of NC.



Some of these have been shown to be perpetrated by scumbag Brits taking advantage of their own.



Who is doing the others?



Is it TC's?....or is it Turkish mainlanders who maybe now out of work due to the sharp decline in the construction industry?



OR...is there just better reporting of crime these days,and the situation is no worse than it ever really was ?

AlsancakJack



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Posts: 5762

Message Posted:
03/06/2009 18:30

c(h)ronos

I think you have answered your own questions. Talk to your TC neighbours and you will understand what is going on.

Take care

AJ

Pipie


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Message Posted:
03/06/2009 18:45

Alsancakjack .

From your post do i take it that you are in the know re the burglaries ? could you share with us all , your thoughts on this ?

Lilli



Joined: 21/07/2008
Posts: 13081

Message Posted:
03/06/2009 23:22

Hiya Cronos. i think that when you first came here there was zero tolerance. The influx of mainland and british sadly have now changed the demographics. We dont really know who is doing the robberies and it seems to be both sectors. The police are very quick at catching the culprits. As AJ states the older generation keep thier eyes and ears all around. Its he same everywhere now cronos sadly we did not expect it here. I guess the credit crunch will affect everybody and crime rate will rise the world over. Hope you are well xx

Moover321


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Message Posted:
04/06/2009 00:21

They should bring in "Sharia Law" (tongue in cheek) - chop off their hands and then let's see if they want to continue to rob people! ;)

tommy13


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Message Posted:
04/06/2009 00:26

i read the following in a book the other day ,

An observer said , about his time in a muslim country that punished theives with cutting of their hands said

' I have been in this country for seven years and i have never heard of any amoutation of the hand for stealing , this is because the crime is extremely rare , so all that remians of that punishment is its harshness , which made it possible for all to live in security and tranquilty and for those who are tempted to steal to keep their hands whole ''

cronos


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Message Posted:
04/06/2009 00:32

Hi Tommy.....I read an article regarding the exodus of Brits and other foreigners from Dubai now that the bubble has burst.

Apparantly Sharia Law does not look too kindly on debt and bankruptcy and people are leaving quickly to avoid harsh prison sentences after defaulting on payments.



Any truth in this?

AlsancakJack



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Message Posted:
04/06/2009 00:37

Moover

Although your posting about 'Sharia Law' was 'tongue in cheek' whatever laws of retribution are enacted you will never stop crime. And that is what punishment is about, retribution. The death sentence in America did not stop people from committing murder, Sharia law in the Middle East does not stop people from committing crimes, it is all done to allow those that have suffered to have some form of retribution.

tommy13


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Message Posted:
04/06/2009 00:50

hey cronos , firstly , true shariah law does not exist in totality in any country , in many places where they have some parts of it its miced with local laws which have nothing to do with shariah rulings. Regards dubai , your absolutley right , debt is not the problem as such , its the criminal offence of writing cheques that you cannot honour. I know many people who have just left with the clothes on their back. almost daily they colllect scores of supercars with the keys in them from dubai airport left by people who have simply left the country. A typical example is my friend , lets call him MR X from uk , Mr X had 10 million GBP. He agreed on a plot of land of a local at the cost of 20 million dirhams ( around 2.7mill gbp at that time ) . He gave the local 18 cheques of 152000GBP each, the local gave him rights to develop , pending he didnt default. Mr X then paid 500000 GBP on the project and building permits etc , then another 500000 GBP on a sales office , 3d models , marketing

tommy13


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Message Posted:
04/06/2009 00:59

& advertising, his project had a retail value of 60 million GBP. He knew he would sell around 70% off plan and recieve 10 - 20 % deposit from customers.hed take that to the bank and raise construction finance, Then before he started construction he would go to another local and buy another peice of land at 2.5-3mill GBP. and do the same . so with 10 Mill or as less as 3 mill gbp he could raise well over a 100 million GBO worth of real estate projects. Suddenly the bubble burst , the banks cancelled construction finance and MR X was F**cked. He suddenly had cheques to honour coming up , car payments , construction payments , lease/office payments etc etc , all paid for by post dated cheques! so Mr X new if he bounced a cheque it was prison for 4 yrs then hed come out still owing millions, So Mr X decided it was better to leave with nothing and owe nothing than to go prison and come out still in millions of debt !! that happened to 1000's of mr X's

Moover321


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Message Posted:
04/06/2009 01:06

Absolutely! There is no one body of law called 'Shariah' as is often implied by the press and the media! That's whay it was in part 'tongue in cheek'



Each 'Muslim' country (note quote marks) - has its own notion of what Shariah is - and often it is a mix of local customs and some aspects from the Qur'aan. That is why the Shariah law in Saudi is quite different from that in Pakistan (SWAT Valley) or Nigeria! The context of Shariah is that it has some Islamic aspects but hwo they are applied often leaves much to be desired and is as far removed from Islam as chalk is to cheese!



AJ - 'chopping off of hands' is both a retribution and a deterrent. It is done in public with all the attendent medical requirements for a safe amputation! In many parts of the Muslim world where such is the law - you have crime rates that Western countries would die for! But you are correct in that even Islamically speaking - amputation is the last resort - and there is a process to be followed!

AlsancakJack



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Message Posted:
04/06/2009 01:18

Moover

Yep I understand fully having worked in the Middle East for some time but there are still public floggings/stonings etc which indicates to me that the punishments are not a deterrent unless of course the people being punished have been falsely convicted and that opens up a whole new debate.

If punishments were a deterrent then crimes would not happen in the first place.

AJ

tommy13


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Message Posted:
04/06/2009 01:36

Noramally the shariah injuctions are deemd to be the best and most effective way to minimise crime to the lowest levels , The concept is that the severity of the punishment is all thats left and the crime becomes rare in the scale of things. Offcourse the whole system has to be implemented and governement has duties to the society , for example theft born out of poverty , like if your caught for stealing bread , does not qualify for the punishment as the government should not have a society with such poverty , thats why theres zakat ( obligatory charity ) . So its only under all these sociological conditions are met by goverments thst shariah law becomes alive and functional .. eg u cant just say cut off the hands of theives alone and that will stop crime , many other conditions have to be on place. and offcourse crime cant fully be eliminated thats utopian

phylray



Joined: 21/09/2007
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Message Posted:
04/06/2009 02:27

Having lived and worked in several Muslim countries in the Middle East

I find it rather irritating that so many Brits. seem to think that all of these

lands exercise Sharia law. In U.A.E,, Bahrain and others there were no

amputations, and very few executions.

CyprusChill


Joined: 08/05/2009
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Message Posted:
04/06/2009 04:07

i never chose a religion for my three children ... this bag of shite world has let me , us down.

Burry or Burn .. definate.

CyprusChill


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Message Posted:
04/06/2009 04:17

A return to our family home, one week later, when all precious were safe and a fair Irish, Welsh, Scottish, English batter could be judged.