Is the UK part of

DutchCrusader



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Message Posted:
03/06/2009 22:41

Is the UK part of Europe or not? Interested to read replies.

Lilli



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Message Posted:
03/06/2009 22:43

Hans I think the way they have conducted themselves who would want them. Its a disgrace. What would Happen in Holland if they mps did the same x. How long can it now last.x

No1Doyen


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Message Posted:
03/06/2009 22:44

The political system in the uk is corrupt to the core.

phylray



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Message Posted:
03/06/2009 22:49

You don't know what corrupt is if you compare with other countries.

At least we now know what they have been doing.

DutchCrusader



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Message Posted:
03/06/2009 22:52

RE msg 4, phylray > At least we now know what they have been doing. <



=> Yes. And now what?!

Lilli



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Message Posted:
03/06/2009 22:55

Hiya Phyl you are right but we do expect a degree of honesty from our politicans. Not Robin Hood in reverse. It is a disgrace. What must we look like in front of Europe and the western world . How are you xx

No1Doyen


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Message Posted:
03/06/2009 22:57

Phyl. Do we really know what they have been doing, or is this the tip of the iceberg?

Tiggy


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Message Posted:
03/06/2009 22:59

It should be..... but most of the blue rinse brigade are against it.

DutchCrusader



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Message Posted:
03/06/2009 23:18

RE msg 6, Lilli > but we do expect a degree of honesty from our politicans. <



=> Nice one, Lilli! Do you also think it will rain tomorrow..?! :-

teatime


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Message Posted:
03/06/2009 23:43

The original question was "Is the UK part of Europe or not?"

Don't think the question has been answered.

Do you mean part of Europe, or part of the EU?

However much I abor it, I don't believe that MP's screwing the taxpayer with their expense claims has anything to do with whether the UK is part of Europe.

DutchCrusader



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Message Posted:
03/06/2009 23:48

RE msg 10, teatime > Do you mean part of Europe, or part of the EU? <



=> An even better question.



=> Or: do politicians in Eastern Europe behave any worse than in the UK?



=> Or: where in Western Europe did politicians behave like in the UK?



Oh, so many questions when you are an interested UK watcher!

andy-f


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Message Posted:
04/06/2009 00:03

re the netherlands . .ive been over there a few times on fishing hollidays , i had a good chat with a couple who worked behind the bar in the hotel where we stayed , they slaged off the dutch government on every thing , said they wished they lived in england! said the low paid pay as much income tax as the high earners in the uk? two sides to every story as they say

teatime


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Message Posted:
04/06/2009 00:32

Msg 11:

Q. do politicians in Eastern Europe behave any worse than in the UK?

A. Probably not, unfortunately far too many politicians, of all nationalities, are now in it for what they can get.

Q. where in Western Europe did politicians behave like in the UK?

A. Most countries have their 'Bad Eggs', but just lately the UK politicians have certainly made them the laughing stock of the western world.



As for part of Europe/EU, Europe yes, and there are a lot of Europians left in Europe still grateful for the sacrifices UK citizens made in two world wars. Unfortunately some seem to forget this.

EU, ask the UK taxpayer and you'll find out that most wish we weren't, it's just a 'money cow' that does nothing for the UK, who would be far better off out of the EU. (And, Euro MP's are actually milking the system even more than British MP's).

Lemtich



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Message Posted:
04/06/2009 00:41

Here's Billy the Fizz and Paxo



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mT9Sa-XXvYw



Lem

phylray



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Message Posted:
04/06/2009 00:56

Britain was part of Europe until a few hundred thousand years ago

when it was severed by natural causes. We are, and we aren't!

All islands (viz Cyprus) feel their own identity which is peculiar to

their own island. You feel this when you visit them, however small

or large, they have their own characteristics, customs. The most

civilized parts of the U.K. culturally, I believe, are seen in the small

islands in the Hebrides, where crime is almost none existant, and

people value and support each other. Cities are the death of this.

phylray



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Message Posted:
04/06/2009 01:03

Lilli I am fine thanks. Just booked flight to arrive on 11th July

for 2 weeks so look forward to seeing you, and anyone else who's

around at the time. Will surely make it up to Guido's now I know

where it is, and have passed it many times. Hope you are well.

TimothyCadman


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Message Posted:
04/06/2009 02:35

I must agree with Teatime. The habits of our EU Representitives, (that today 4th June) we (in the UK and other European Countries) are voting to return to represent us, are getting away with murder when it comes to expenses.



To get paid for a days work all they need to do is sign in they register to say they were there. There's nowhere for them to sign out and log any times! They don't physically have to do anything to get paid!! Also there travel expenses to and from Brussels are ALWAYS First Class, regardless of if its Eurostar or Flights.

CyprusChill


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Message Posted:
04/06/2009 05:24

Europe ... not bad at going to war and equal share.

Great bread, selections of cold meat and cheese.

Not just amsterdam peculiar voyance attraction and perversion.

Coffee, shops closure ...



Laderhosen, the norm in certain circles, in europe.

and who would suggest ..



Cheap.. comment, with very little coinage or advantage.

Geejay


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Message Posted:
04/06/2009 08:36

It's a mistake to think of Europe (or the EU) as a homogeneous whole. Each country has a distinct and different way of looking at things. To try and incorporate these countries into one huge administrative region with an unelected commission will eventually prove to be impossible.



As far as the UK is concerned it never has been part of Europe politically, socially or intellectually. Where Julius Caesar and Napoleon Bonaparte failed, how can the nonentities in the EU succeed ? The British public will not forget that they were conned into accepting a Common Market which has turned into a monolithic nightmare of unwanted laws and regulations.

The-Wicks


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Message Posted:
04/06/2009 08:50

Today is the day we are supposed to vote for our European representatives. My question is, do they want us to vote for them? We have had nobody knock at the door, we have had only one leaflet, for the Green party. If the polling station was not almost next door to our local public house would I even bother? It is a sad state of affairs when I do not think EMP's care if we vote or not. So the question "Is the UK part of"? The answer will be reflected in the general apathy of the turnout. I don't think we care enough to be concerned.



Paul



ps DC if you had asked "Are the UK's football teams part of Europe" this thread would now be up to around 100 mark.

elko2



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Message Posted:
04/06/2009 09:17

Geographically of course UK is part of Europe but mentally they are not. They always talk about the Copntinent-meaning the rest of Europe.



Economically they are part of EU but very reluctantly so and the fact that they have not adopted the Euro is evidence of this. Why should they? Is it a crime or a shame not to be part of that lot? It is not, in fact it is a feeling of superiority over the other lot.



All this talk about the misuse of expenses is an enigma to the British Public. What has happened is relly peanuts compared to what is going on in EU with all those funds. EU is fast becoming an unmanagable monolithic and with a common currency but unlike US without a common destiny, it is running towards a big failure in a colossal manner. UK has done well to keep out of Euro. I hope soon UK will be able to free herself from the EU shackles and all that nonsense. Orams decision of ECJ with a Greek Cypriot judge (who was the former Interior Minister) sitting on the bench comes to mind. What democracy, what fair mindedness? Just not British, is it?

ismet

mmmmmm



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Message Posted:
04/06/2009 09:58

Dear Lilli



re msg 2



The rest of Europe - and that includes Ireland - need to look at their own navels.... As you must know there's been plenty of Shenanigans and money made out of being in govt in IRL..



Are you aware that MEPs get fixed allowances - and don't have show receipts? Until recently they could claim the price of a first class plane ticket from their part of the world to the EU destination - irrespective of the "Ryanair price" they paid - and pocketed the difference..



In reality it would ave us a fortune if other nations and the EU tightened up their acts. too



Ismet.. re msg 21



For all the "failings" of the EU - I'd rather have the EU Directives that enforce the right of freedom of movement - the right to live and work where we please, etc. Is that what you "fear" when the day comes the "acquis " applies to all of Cyprus ;) ?



As for the Euro - when the GBP was spiralling downwards - there were plenty of calls to join the single currency ;)

fire starter


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Message Posted:
04/06/2009 14:12

hi elko,

so a greek cypriot sat in judgement, what other nationalities were also sitting there in judgement??



also i remember prior to the judgement was some advice regarding it, which had a clause in it regarding the cyprus talks. was that clause also included in the final judgement. i have tried looking on line but couldn't find it??



as for is the uk part of the eu, yes it is.

elko2



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Message Posted:
04/06/2009 14:31

Firestarter,

Yes a Greek Cypriot judge who formerly held a political position in Cyprus sat in judgement and the President of this particular court was Greek. How nice and convenient for some. Furthermore, Greece and Poland as member countries requested and had an opportunity to address the court whereas Turkey and Turkish Cypriots who were "interested" parties to the cause were not given such an opportunity. Would you say a members club each busy scratching each others backs?



What about the clause about the talks? You tell me.

ismet

girne 29


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Message Posted:
04/06/2009 14:42

mmmm

Good post



you forgot to add that on top of their pension ,they can pay into an additional pension that for every pound they put in, the taxpayer adds another two pounds. To add insult to injury they can also get the pound they pay reimbursed by the UK taxpayer.



Another cute one is when they can fly to Brussels, first class,sign in ,return home within the hour and claim £262 attendance allowance.



For those that think eastern european politicians are better,try standing against them.



Who was it said"the fact that you want to be an MP should disqualify you from being one"



Firestarter, message 23

does it have to be every thread????.Can you not leave it alone for one minute???.

fire starter


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Message Posted:
04/06/2009 15:03

girne,

i didn't mention anything elko brought it up and i had a question to ask him.



elko,

when the first ruling was advised on i am sure there was a clause something to the effects of' it wouldn't be used to de-rail the peace talks' or something to that affect. written by the person from the eu giving the advice.

it came right at the bottom of the advice and i wondered once they made the rule did they include it?

i have been looking but didn't find it.

where i was coming from is that while both sides are still in talks the judgement would not be passed as if it were it would cause problems with the talks. i think the uk goverment would definatley use this way out if it is still within the judgement. they wouldn't ignore the eu but would work around it.

Geejay


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Message Posted:
04/06/2009 15:36

"For all the "failings" of the EU - I'd rather have the EU Directives that enforce the right of freedom of movement - the right to live and work where we please, etc. Is that what you "fear" when the day comes the "acquis " applies to all of Cyprus ;) ?"



mmmmm, Cherry picking as usual. One size does NOT fit all, especially in economic matters. Adoption of EU laws have exacerbated the social strains that now disrupt the fabric of life in the UK.

Just how can you believe in an organisation that uproots itself every 6 months to move to Strasbourg or Brussels (at taxpayers cost of course).

Just how can you trust an organisation that won't accept no in a referendum and bullies voters to think again.

What other organisation has it's accounts refused to be signed off by the auditors for years and ignores it. Democracy ? not my kind. I want out.

Rogerdodger


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Message Posted:
04/06/2009 15:53

People say that the UK MP's are bad, so what about the EU MP's from all countries in the EU, does anybody in real world belive that MP's from the EU are not doing the same, sticking their noses in the EU expences trough, the only differerce is that they have not been caught, nor will they because they are never audited, billions of £'s are being wasted, but nobody there cares,



Lilli,



If you do not belive that this is happening in all countries world wide, then you are sadly mistaken, because it is