Brown's lot smashed in elections..time to go?

clarets



Joined: 08/01/2009
Posts: 752

Message Posted:
05/06/2009 10:01

The wreckers of Blighty are on their way out ! Local election results coming through suggest the end is nigh for Brown and his self-serving hypocrites. Another cabinet minister gone this morning......how long will it be before he falls on his wallet ?

deecyprus4


Joined: 27/07/2008
Posts: 3452

Message Posted:
05/06/2009 10:35

Hopefully today clarets...

Littlenige



Joined: 24/12/2006
Posts: 3594

Message Posted:
05/06/2009 10:40

When if ever was the last time multiple cabinet ministers resigned from a government with a large majority ??



With all the snouts in the trough i doubt he will get any one to join the cabinet as they will be scrutinised by the media.

fredred


Joined: 09/12/2007
Posts: 89

Message Posted:
05/06/2009 11:10

Will the Tories be any better, I don't think so.

tattlad


Joined: 13/12/2008
Posts: 479

Message Posted:
05/06/2009 11:15

Msg 4 the whole country need a good shake up.

clarets



Joined: 08/01/2009
Posts: 752

Message Posted:
05/06/2009 11:41

Msg4,you gotta be kiddin !

Perry


Joined: 27/01/2007
Posts: 413

Message Posted:
05/06/2009 11:52

Message 4 - Oh yes they will - how could they possibly be worse. Labour have completely destroyed our pensions, the private sector, the economy and the country. It will now be a long and painful journey to put it back on track. They are the worst thing that has ever happened to the UK

hattikins


Joined: 17/02/2008
Posts: 2793

Message Posted:
05/06/2009 11:54

I wouldn,t give ten bob for the lot of them, they are all out to feather their own nests.

clarets



Joined: 08/01/2009
Posts: 752

Message Posted:
05/06/2009 11:58

Perry.....how right you are!

Tiggy


Joined: 25/07/2007
Posts: 1994

Message Posted:
05/06/2009 13:45

Nice to see the Tory bandwagon starting up! Look forward to them making Britain great again!



Nothing new there then!



I am not a labour supporter and no longer vote for liars and thiefs.

Coachie



Joined: 29/07/2008
Posts: 2135

Message Posted:
05/06/2009 18:13

msg 6/7..We shall see if your pensions improve or any thing else.They are just as big a bunch of liars as any other political party.If you look around the histories of Parliaments,about every 10 to 12 years we have a change,and this lot coming in will go just the same way.,so do not expect any miracles.I have every belief that they will start whingeing about the mess left behind by the Labour Party but they did exactly the same when Major was booted out.Swings and round a bouts folks...I have not even heard what they propose to do to improve the situation...Another "Carry on "..saga me thinks...

clarets



Joined: 08/01/2009
Posts: 752

Message Posted:
05/06/2009 19:02

Sadly.....this lot have left us in the greatest mess in history....so more will be required of those coming in. Browns cabinet is disintegrating before our very eyes....about time too...."champagne for everyone bubbles"

dizzycows


Joined: 12/05/2009
Posts: 2736

Message Posted:
05/06/2009 19:03

Perry, couldnt agree with you more, you have said it all in a few words.Well said.

Coachie, if we, the private sector all borrowed money willy nilly like this band of greedy robbers, and cooked the books, stole from the tax man, we would all be chucked into court so fast that it would skin your arse. This lot were 'banded' for the 'working class' many yonks ago but now, as you can see, they certainly like dipping their greedy grubby hands into the pot that isnt theirs, in other words they represent a certain class of people now that want what you have worked for. In other words the scroungers of our society. There thats got that off my chest lol x

clarets



Joined: 08/01/2009
Posts: 752

Message Posted:
05/06/2009 19:15

Dizzy....couldnt agree more!

CJtill


Joined: 02/05/2008
Posts: 836

Message Posted:
05/06/2009 20:28

There will be a long time before the next election and as we all know events in politics change pretty quick. It might be worth taking the 12 - 1 on offer with Boylesport on Labour winning with at least a one seat majority in the election.

Michael

Coachie



Joined: 29/07/2008
Posts: 2135

Message Posted:
05/06/2009 23:29

Dizzycows..I hope you have noticed that the were as many MP,s from the other parties who have been DIPPING INTO THE POT as well as Labour.They should all be prosecuted,but please be fair in your remarks.

Clarets..What about the TWO financial Meltdowns under the other lot or does that not count.They created both of those,Brown is not responsible for this one.This is a WORLD crisis not a UK one only...Like I have said before, if you think you will be better off under the Tories,dream on..In 10 yrs or so the public will get fed up with them for their non existing policies and throw them out.Happens all the time in this country of ours,I think they call it democracy..

wynyardman



Joined: 15/12/2007
Posts: 4580

Message Posted:
05/06/2009 23:33

Woe is me!



Bring back...Screaming Lord Sutch! ........................Failing that Guy Fawkes!



Pass the Efes!!



wynge

Woodspeckie


Joined: 25/01/2009
Posts: 2263

Message Posted:
06/06/2009 00:12

6 gone in the last 4 days. Caroline Flint the minister for Europe gone today, Glenys Kinnock is a suprise choice for her replacement.

Perry


Joined: 27/01/2007
Posts: 413

Message Posted:
06/06/2009 10:18

Coachie. Before these idiots came into power, the UK had one of the best pension systems in the developed world. One of the first things Brown did as chancellor was to remove the tax credit system on the investments within the fund. This means that every dividend, every penny of interest from bonds was no longer tax exempt. This has cost the penion funds billions - and the result is the funds becoming unsustainable and most of the defined benefit funds have been forced to close. Therefore anyone in the private sector (which is the bit that actually drives the economy and the country) are now dependant on defined contributions and on much lower pension returns. This affects us ALL greatly.

And for what ???? wrecked education system (tuition fees), rising crime, health care still under strain. Brown was so arrogant that he thought HE had ended 'boom and bust' - now it is the worlds fault - pathetic. It is a complete shambles and we need an election now.

Perry


Joined: 27/01/2007
Posts: 413

Message Posted:
06/06/2009 10:21

cont... And yes it will be painful, as the conservatives are going to have to introduce some tough fiscal measures to start to repay the huge unsustainable debt these idiots have left us in. I guess the country has finally seen the light with them being wiped out across the country at the council elections. Time to repeat the exercise in partliament without delay.........

Woodspeckie


Joined: 25/01/2009
Posts: 2263

Message Posted:
06/06/2009 11:55

Coachie has said he can live comfortable on the pension Mr Brown has provided so he isn't bothered about anyone else!!

Littlenige



Joined: 24/12/2006
Posts: 3594

Message Posted:
06/06/2009 11:58

ooops http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1191130/BNP-wins-county-council-seat.html

dizzycows


Joined: 12/05/2009
Posts: 2736

Message Posted:
06/06/2009 12:17

Perry absolutely right, these morons that have taken from the hard workers, given it to the below average class who still cannot do any thing for themselves! Labour want to bring every one to the same standard in all things but unfortunatly in life you cannot help those that are 'slightly brain dead', lazy, live off benifits, free housing, tax credits, etc etc, oh I could go on and on. When we get back to a system of work for it and you receive we may once again become great. lol

Tiggy


Joined: 25/07/2007
Posts: 1994

Message Posted:
06/06/2009 12:26

Nice to see the true Tory ethic Glady's.



Will you be having a blue rinse this morning.

Tiggy


Joined: 25/07/2007
Posts: 1994

Message Posted:
06/06/2009 12:38

Part II



Glad's will Mr Cameron be endorsing your party political speech on his next broadcast ? Nice to be reminded of the real thoughts of the rich!

Perry


Joined: 27/01/2007
Posts: 413

Message Posted:
06/06/2009 13:10

Tiggy it is nothing to do with being 'rich' !! That is a typical response of this pathetic government. In reality the real 'rich' have prospered under them - it is us ordinary working people in the private sector paying the price. How do you think the current economic policy is sustainable ??? The country is practically bankrupt and to increase spending (on hair brained schemes) is suicide - everybody will suffer even more - this is BASIC economics !

Also with your thinking, most of the country is now 'rich'. Look at this weeks election results - people have finally woken up and they are going to be booted out of office by the public - 'rich' or not. Just bring it on and get rid of them before they cause more damage.

Coachie



Joined: 29/07/2008
Posts: 2135

Message Posted:
06/06/2009 13:30

Dizzy cows and Perry..Yes I live reasonably well off my pension after Mr Brown taxed them.They were taxed because under the 1986 Finance bill they were only allowed to have +5% over their Required Minimum Funding (Tory Bill) They were well over that amount and were given options to get rid of the excess.They chose to stop Employers Contributions (payment holidays) and did so for far to long,consequently after Brown taxed them on their excess,they still continued to not pay their share into the pot,and some have shut their final salary schemes down because they cannot afford to fill the black hole they created.My Company was one of them,fortuneately for me the organisation that bought us payed off the black hole and I got exactly out of my pension what had been projected for me after 25years contributions. There were laws brought into effect after the Maxwell business to stop any one from using the pension funds for any other reasons than pensions.Brown is not exempt from those laws...

dizzycows


Joined: 12/05/2009
Posts: 2736

Message Posted:
06/06/2009 13:43

Tiggy, you are not worth answering really, no its not the rich talking you silly person, its some one who has worked like many others, very hard, but can see that this labour government have encouraged, lazy, 'I want what you have' without the effort! No I do not need a blue rinse as you put it, still blonde and still have more go in me than perhaps you ever had, sorry to be rude, but then again my tongue can be rather cutting, lol x



havnt had to be cutting yet, but I am sure it can be resurrected!!

Perry


Joined: 27/01/2007
Posts: 413

Message Posted:
06/06/2009 14:21

Coachie I am genuinely pleased for you that you have retired on your projected pension. I am still very much working and will be for many years to come. My point is that Brown, in 1998 changed the law to tax the income on the pension funds. He did this to fund his short term spending schemes. The impact of this is huge, and for working people in the private sector (who are now mostly on defined contributions), this is simply catestrophic due to the culmitave affect it has on the reinvestment process within the fund over 10, 20 or 30 years. You cannot get away from the fact that anybody working in the private sector will be on a much much lower pension due to the actions of this man. Unless of course, if you are in the ever growing public sector, and on final salary - being funded by guess who..

This is just one example of the massive errors this government has made over the past decade. The results of their inept, short term policies are now being seen by all and we need an election.

Coachie



Joined: 29/07/2008
Posts: 2135

Message Posted:
06/06/2009 14:51

Perry..I searched on the internet for info on Brown changing the law to tax pension schemes,but found he not have to.The pension funds were tax free up to 5% over their required needs to fulfil there obligations,anthing over that that could be taxed and he duly did so.Now I retired after the tax con,as you call it,so how come I got my projected pension and other did not.I was in the private sector,and mine was a final salary scheme.If what you say is correct how come they have been elected for three terms and not just one.Surely the public would have thrown them out after their first term.I can assure you if you do get an election whatever you get now will not go up,more likely to go down,but if he stays, it will improve,and it is beginning to show now, slowly.It takes time for things to improve,dont believe in miracles,but if he sticks to his guns and things get better,you just watch how the great British pulic will change.Remember Major,he thought he had lost and sneaked in....

Perry


Joined: 27/01/2007
Posts: 413

Message Posted:
06/06/2009 15:05

No Coachie - you misunderstand what I am saying here. He sneaked this in as a stealth tax in his first or second budget. Essentially all of our pensions are derived from funds invested in a blend of equities and bonds and managed by various asset management companies. Up until the change, pensions were exempt from tax on the income being derived on the various securities held. So when an equity declared a dividend, you received it tax free, when a bond earned / paid interest, it was tax free. He removed this exemption which then taxed the income being earned within the portfolio. This caused a drop in the appreciation of the funds themselves (being a result of net fund income and capital gains) - thus a smaller pension fund available. This is a factor in why most companies have closed their final salary schemes - the funds can no longer sustain paying on a final salary basis. Defined contribution means the employee will get only what their pot has earned, which of course, being taxed

Perry


Joined: 27/01/2007
Posts: 413

Message Posted:
06/06/2009 15:12

cont... will be smaller, and the cumulative result over many years is extremely significant.

How did he get away with it ? The markets were booming at the time, and he is so niaive he thought he had changed the world, put an end to boom and bust etc, that it would go on for ever. It was in the news, but at the time the press and the BBC etc were very pro Blair and it really wasnt given that much air time, so people really didnt understand the time bomb he had put in place. They do now as the last final salary schemes have closed and people begin to understand. So we are all left with a much reduced income for our retirement - and for what ? 50 pages of on jobs every day in the Guardian. Time for an election and let democracy do justice on them.

Tiggy


Joined: 25/07/2007
Posts: 1994

Message Posted:
06/06/2009 18:30

hello Glads,



Glads it was not worth answering! .....but you did all the same. I did not find you rude at all. Don't worry about the "cutting tonge"....a woman has not been born yet that will cut me down to size!



I have also worked all my life and I will not have to be depend on anyone when I retire.



"below average class"....not nice to read.....yeah their are many ponces and parasites in our society....they have been taking benefits for decades and not just under this government. A lot of wealthier people have also hidden taxes and dues and I consider them to be the same.



I must admit I prefer a blonde to a blue rinse!



Have a nice weekend.



T.



Ps. Perry I understand your points.

phylray



Joined: 21/09/2007
Posts: 1727

Message Posted:
06/06/2009 19:00

BNP already got in Lancs. and Leics. Can't see anyone who can do the job better at present

than Brown. Obama is reported to have said of Cameron "What a lightweight!"

Do the Tory's really want to take on the running of the country at this time of global economic

recession? I guess we'll have to have what England votes for anyway (until independence)

Coachie



Joined: 29/07/2008
Posts: 2135

Message Posted:
06/06/2009 21:15

Perry I understand perfectly what you were saying,but Norman Lamont started to reduce the tax that investments and funds were allowed.Brown stopped it all to gether.The reason being they were well in excess of their Minimum Fund Requirements to meet their obligations under the schemes rules.Agreed his actions reduced the size of the pot but only down to size required to give you your projected pension when you retired.The excess in the pot was getting tax exemptions from the Inland Revenue when they should have been paying tax, and Brown jumped on to this.Like I said I took my pension after the so called Raid and got the pension that had been Projected after 25 yrs of contributions.Yes ,companiesare closing final salary schemes because they do not want to pay because they are not getting any tax relief on their payments.Some even used the pension schemes as a tax fiddle rather than pay Corporation Tax.It used to be that if schemes had in excess of £500million in the pot they could have

ilovekibris


Joined: 18/05/2009
Posts: 394

Message Posted:
06/06/2009 21:23

tiggy wrote: "..yeah their are many ponces and parasites in our society"



Don't tell me - one of the above describes TRNC estate agents and the other describes customers?

Coachie



Joined: 29/07/2008
Posts: 2135

Message Posted:
06/06/2009 21:24

Cont..pension holidays to bring down the excess,but some carried it to far and went below the level required to meet their obligations.Hence companies were starting to wind up final salary schemes rather than pay the money to bring it back to the correct level.The only people who really lost out were the senior bosses who were going to get big pension payouts but had to make do with the ordinary pay out...He may be guilty of a lot of things but I feel sure he would not do as you suggest.WE shall see what develops over the next 12 months because he has no intention of going before then..

phylray



Joined: 21/09/2007
Posts: 1727

Message Posted:
06/06/2009 21:54

And I wish him luck. He'll need it.

Tiggy


Joined: 25/07/2007
Posts: 1994

Message Posted:
06/06/2009 21:57

Malcy, don't be jumpin on my bandwagon, you are completely off thread.



(Plenty of ponces and parasites in the south of the Island.)

Moover321


Joined: 11/04/2009
Posts: 649

Message Posted:
06/06/2009 22:39

Tories get in?



I never thought they had left! Tony Blair was just a Tory in New Labour clothing wasn't he?



As for David I am so smart Cameron - he is not so much lightweight as featherweight!



He changes his policies on the wind!



Remember the saving the world trip to the North Pole? Cycling to work with his limo in toe?



Not much to choose between New Labour and the Tories!

Moover321


Joined: 11/04/2009
Posts: 649

Message Posted:
06/06/2009 22:40

Whoops - *'in tow'

phylray



Joined: 21/09/2007
Posts: 1727

Message Posted:
06/06/2009 23:35

If things are so dire as they tell us maybe we should have a coalition

as in wartime. Do you think they could get it together?

littlejohn


Joined: 09/03/2009
Posts: 316

Message Posted:
07/06/2009 00:54

Coalition? Revolution would make more sense! Trouble is power corrupts!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

halffull


Joined: 26/01/2009
Posts: 571

Message Posted:
07/06/2009 01:31

I'm with you Perry,

Message 40 yes Tony Blair (who's claims for expenses have disappeared?) and his lets mirror Tory policy but call it new labour!! was very groomed and full of bull****.