Osrams and ITV Tonight

halffull


Joined: 26/01/2009
Posts: 571

Message Posted:
05/06/2009 22:43

Just watched it, they painted a pretty bleak picture, I also thought it was not an unbiased view.

The-Wicks


Joined: 27/05/2007
Posts: 2279

Message Posted:
05/06/2009 22:49

I didn't think it was unbiased, but I also didn't think it was not as biased as some I have seen in the past. What I did think was unfair was the assumption that Brits had bought "cheap GC land/property" knowing it was illegal, but bought it nevertheless because it was cheap.



I must say, I did feel that was what fair comment, were the remarks that the chap who was presenting the programme made at the end - good advice perhaps for any future buyers - but a little late for some.



J

minertor



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Posts: 1238

Message Posted:
05/06/2009 22:54

Watch channel 5 next week, the cherokees want manhattan back.

clayton


Joined: 30/11/2008
Posts: 1143

Message Posted:
05/06/2009 22:56

do they think the brits are just going to sit back and let these take what they want.i for one will be leaving in a coffin before someone takes what i believe is mine.and there will be a few joining me.i wouldnt even let them take my last rolo without a fight.i dont think the turkish people would let anything happen to the people who have bought in confidance through recognised solicitors

notthereyet


Joined: 26/10/2008
Posts: 113

Message Posted:
05/06/2009 22:58

It was almost GC propaganda poor representation of what is really going on, and painted a very poor picture of the Brits caught up in this. Where was the TC driven down to the south to look over their previous lands. Where was the interview with a TC sympathiser or journalist. It was poorly explained and totally one sided and is probably rejoiced south of the border this will be another huge kick in the escallonies to the Northern investment. 30 love to the South!!

canyavuz


Joined: 22/02/2009
Posts: 363

Message Posted:
05/06/2009 22:58

that was the most boll**ks i've ever seen. That Greek Cypriot woman exaggerated about her land. She knew very well that villas were built on it but exaggerated for the sake of propaganda and lies.

The STUPID presenter said that she has not seen her property since the 74 intervention, but the woman said she visited it last year. So the program was a load of crap.

halffull


Joined: 26/01/2009
Posts: 571

Message Posted:
05/06/2009 22:59

There was no mention of any compensation for the TC's who lost their property in the South, just about the greedy uncomprimising greeks.

wynyardman



Joined: 15/12/2007
Posts: 4580

Message Posted:
05/06/2009 22:59

Clayton.



I like your style! Can I have your last Rolo, please!



wynge

cooper


Joined: 23/10/2007
Posts: 3386

Message Posted:
05/06/2009 23:02

Your along time dead so "dont worry be happy"



Cooper

eager


Joined: 23/02/2007
Posts: 1272

Message Posted:
05/06/2009 23:04

I think the programme was about Brits buying in NC, it was not to do about other issues, which is a another story altogether.

halffull


Joined: 26/01/2009
Posts: 571

Message Posted:
05/06/2009 23:05

Wynge, I'll fight you for that rolo and the greeks for my place in the sun, bought as far as I am concerned, legally and above board.

rowlo



Joined: 12/10/2008
Posts: 4796

Message Posted:
05/06/2009 23:07

msg 4 leave me out of it , but im with you all the way , LMAO xxxxxxxxxxxxx long live MUFC and KKTC

clayton


Joined: 30/11/2008
Posts: 1143

Message Posted:
05/06/2009 23:09

it looks like i will have to buy a new packet.

cronos


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Posts: 2093

Message Posted:
05/06/2009 23:12

I don't think the programme will change the mind of anyone on here about their decision to buy.



What it will do is put off potential new buyers and lead to an even more depressed market.



For people who still want to buy,there are mega bargains to be had.....but I would only buy a resale , and only on a fully completed development.

eager


Joined: 23/02/2007
Posts: 1272

Message Posted:
05/06/2009 23:15

halffull. msg 11.....I think everyone who has bought here would think that they have bought here legally and above board, yes..100%true, so therefore don't you know think that you have been "conned" and sold down the river by the NC goverment for letting this happen?

Fred8


Joined: 15/01/2009
Posts: 253

Message Posted:
05/06/2009 23:15

The Wicks- can you please elaborate on the comments made by the presenter of the program at the end (msg 2)

Thanks

Hector


Joined: 26/08/2008
Posts: 2352

Message Posted:
05/06/2009 23:19

So where are the NC politicians standing up for those who bought exchange land after being reassured that all was well? What is the NC government saying they are going to do to protect or help people (other than TC's)?

clayton


Joined: 30/11/2008
Posts: 1143

Message Posted:
05/06/2009 23:21

the north cyprus goverment own the land.and if you think they dont can you tell me who is going to take it of them.dont think the greeks will,had there arse smacked once.dont think the brits will or the americans,wont want to start a war ,especially with a muslim country who has fought along side them.

eager


Joined: 23/02/2007
Posts: 1272

Message Posted:
05/06/2009 23:28

Not to pre-empt the Wicks..but.....What he said was if you want to buy property that was owned by Turks pre 74 then go ahead,........if you want to buy property that was owned by foriegners [ other than greeks ] then go ahead. However if you you buy property on "exchange" land be aware...be very aware !!

Tiggy


Joined: 25/07/2007
Posts: 1994

Message Posted:
05/06/2009 23:29

I thought the Orams were lovely people and Marion Stokes came across very well..



The greek C lady making out she could not understand where her land was between the two rivers.....then suddenly she remembererd the garage and all them buildings were not here 12 months ago....Must be the fastest builders on the Island!



Not one person from the TC side to be taken South to have alook at what they once owned or their story told.



Lets see if the British courts have the guts to make the right decision and back the Orams.

cypwine


Joined: 09/05/2009
Posts: 177

Message Posted:
05/06/2009 23:30

arbee msg 15



looks like people on here havnt read through your link!!

andre 514


Joined: 31/03/2008
Posts: 1163

Message Posted:
05/06/2009 23:30

in the opening sequence the property being knocked down

was actually in spain, having fallen foul of arbitary "planning" laws

(legally owned property in eu state)

and the foundation pictures were ian beamont's scam in south cyprus

(and 100,000 were tricked out of their deeds in that eu state)



but a "nightmare in the med" or another dollop of "huff and puff"?



well, this whole orams thing was devised to foster an air of uncertainty

as the programme was successful in portraying

even though the outcome of the one case and related ethical aspects

are anything but clear-cut



but then there is no television mileage in explaining the whole history

and the unswerving resolve of north cyprus, its turkish ally and most of the brits



if any misguided soul stll thinks there may be anything useful to discuss

with the other lot, they have my very deepest sympathy

millzer


Joined: 12/04/2007
Posts: 978

Message Posted:
05/06/2009 23:33

Message 15. Extract from 'editors note' in letters section of Cyprus mail which mentions compo to TC's who had land in the south but where that land has been built upon by GC's or the GC government.





Editor’s note: Turkish Cypriot properties are protected



As the law stands, Turkish Cypriots who have lived in the south for more than six months can reclaim the properties they abandoned after the war.



They might also be entitled to compensation, submitted into an account, if the land has been built on by Greek Cypriots or the government.

barnaclebill


Joined: 12/12/2008
Posts: 303

Message Posted:
05/06/2009 23:36

I would like to no where the houses that were being bulldozed at the begining of the programme were .Was it my imagination or was that Spanish houses that were coming down.It gave the view that the bulldozing had already started in the trnc.??

cronos


Joined: 26/10/2008
Posts: 2093

Message Posted:
05/06/2009 23:37

Until the RoC abolish this ridiculous 6 month rule for TC's reclaiming property in the South ,the TRNC should reciprocate by mirroring that law in the north.

barnaclebill


Joined: 12/12/2008
Posts: 303

Message Posted:
05/06/2009 23:38

Sorry Andre you already answered that one Thanks

sweep


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Posts: 241

Message Posted:
05/06/2009 23:39

clatyton



right there with you , can i share your last rolo just a little bit , please ?

MUSIN M


Joined: 26/06/2008
Posts: 1352

Message Posted:
05/06/2009 23:42

cypwine



why are you conversing with yourself.



pikey ,you stupid boy ,you and arbee must be very close.



tiggy



the british courts have not got any reason to get involved,and they won,t.



musin



long live the kktc

alsuguy


Joined: 29/04/2009
Posts: 8

Message Posted:
05/06/2009 23:42

THIS HAS BEEEN EMAILED TO ITV



Dear Sir or Madam,



Your programme featuring Northern Cyprus was a complete travesty in that the majority of the reporting, whilst being a repeat of a previous programme in 2005, bore little relation to the facts outside the Oram's case as well as spectacularly failing to put out a complete picture.



Whilst the detail on the Oram's case was quite correct and the discussions with them was relevant this only took up about half the programme. The remainder of the programme while purporting to be about the Land issue was wildly inaccurate for the following two reasons.



1. A large segment of the programme surrounded a huge unfinished building site with commentary from a journalist stating that this was all because of the a disputed land issue with the Greeks. This is utter nonsense as the building site, known as Amaranta Valley has been a failure because of a building scam involving both Turk Cypriots and British developers. They have run off with the

Tiggy


Joined: 25/07/2007
Posts: 1994

Message Posted:
05/06/2009 23:49

Nice one Musin.



Up the TRNC

millzer


Joined: 12/04/2007
Posts: 978

Message Posted:
05/06/2009 23:52

Message 28. But by posting the link you try to give the impression that the 'guardian of TC properties' in the south means that ALL TC's will get their land back. You did this in response to halffull, who said; "There was no mention of any compensation for the TC's who lost their property in the South, just about the greedy uncomprimising greeks."



You said; "That's because no such thing exists" and posted your link 'implying' that no compensation scheme exists, but unless the Cyprus mail editor has it wrong he says that TC's who have had their land built upon by GC's will get compensation. So how is it that TC's just have to accept compo if a GC occupies their land, yet a GC who's land is occupied in the north has the right to order the property be demolished and the occupier PAY HIM compo AND hand it back.

andre 514


Joined: 31/03/2008
Posts: 1163

Message Posted:
05/06/2009 23:55

arbee is correct:



tc's can in theory at least recover lost lands in the south

it's just that most of the ones I spoke to say they are far too scared to go back



and the mirror image of this is that original occupancy according to one interpretation

doesn't at all coincide with the real and actual ownership and posession,

however many times this may be repeated both here and elsewhere



but this we all know whether we like it or not

andre 514


Joined: 31/03/2008
Posts: 1163

Message Posted:
06/06/2009 00:11

message 35 lostgeezer:



you list your name as ""harold crud"



surely the quality of your argument is of a higher quality than your assumed monniker

barnaclebill


Joined: 12/12/2008
Posts: 303

Message Posted:
06/06/2009 00:14

Nearly 6 yrs ago we came here to buy a property primarly because i fell in love with the place when i was stationed here in the forces in the 70,s. I never questioned when i was told by solicitors,estate agents that the property i was buying was on exchange land which was land that was given to a TC in exchange for land he gave up in the South. Yet I with a lot of other ex-pats are branded as robbers,thieves etc,why in gods name would i question the authenticity of what i was been told.Having seen the way the TC was treat in the South first hand i had no doubt in my mind that they were glad to get out of the situation of always being the underdog and it seemed logical to me that this exchange had taken place.Maybe i was the lucky one received our Kochans,sold the villa and moved on.It does really annoy me though when genuine people who have bought properties are branded as robbers and thieves when all they were doing was looking for a place to live out the rest of their lives.

millzer


Joined: 12/04/2007
Posts: 978

Message Posted:
06/06/2009 00:16

Still waiting for an answer to mess 33 Arbee (or dryboak, or eric seans, or rifleman fisher, or whoever you will be next)

Tiggy


Joined: 25/07/2007
Posts: 1994

Message Posted:
06/06/2009 00:20

millzer, he is a sad little man. I even feel sorry for him. he needs medical help.

WAZ-24-7



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Posts: 695

Message Posted:
06/06/2009 01:12

I think that it is time that some brave soul visited the ROC land registry in Nicosia and complied a definitive catalogue of Turkish Cypriot registered land and property that is in the recognised ROC. This alleged holy grail of ownership should clearly be the basis for reciprocal civil litigations aganst so called tresspassers upon TC lands.



However, I firmly believe that civil litigation is most certainly not the route to attain a Cyprus solution. The whole matter is clearly political and the solution lies with politicians both upon the Island as well as international Politicians. It is very sad to see the possibility emerging of a slide into false dilusions of settlement, victory and peace.

fairy



Joined: 30/11/2008
Posts: 40

Message Posted:
06/06/2009 01:15

Re mess 40;



I agree, well put.

Lilli



Joined: 21/07/2008
Posts: 13081

Message Posted:
06/06/2009 01:18

Hi Waz well put but I think its already been decided. no reunification just a two state situation with us coming under turkey. probably not the two sides but bigger forces xxx

dodger



Joined: 29/07/2007
Posts: 1895

Message Posted:
06/06/2009 01:19

Just got back from Huddersfield after watching my team get a good hiding.Didnt know about the programme is there a repeat,

Paul.

millzer


Joined: 12/04/2007
Posts: 978

Message Posted:
06/06/2009 01:25

I think its repeated sunday dodger, although I really wouldn't bother watching it, same shit different day.



Still waiting arbee!

CyprusChill


Joined: 08/05/2009
Posts: 666

Message Posted:
06/06/2009 03:45

The Day The Press Will Have An Angle South Bound, Who Knows ?

Fairness and consideration for two sides of the tale.

Understanding, even.

Thin Lizzy, Live and Dangerous, 3: Southbound.



War or Genocide ?



6: MASSACRE



7: Still In Love With You



2: EMERARLD



TRNC / Love you.

CyprusChill


Joined: 08/05/2009
Posts: 666

Message Posted:
06/06/2009 04:15

1974, Nickosia, Nurses and Doctors Know the tale.

Prior 74 also.

Ask Them.

deecyprus4


Joined: 27/07/2008
Posts: 3452

Message Posted:
06/06/2009 07:48

I watched with amusement ....total gc propoganda..why didnt Marion Stokes mention Gary Robb..the truth was buried deeply once again..when are the tc's gonna stand up and be counted..

skybluesam


Joined: 24/12/2008
Posts: 447

Message Posted:
06/06/2009 08:18

Guy, where is the rest of the message?

Nick

Isabella


Joined: 02/10/2008
Posts: 199

Message Posted:
06/06/2009 09:01

Why was there no mention during the programme of the property commission's work . So far quite a few people have either had their property returned or been compensated. The Orams case should have taken this route.

Trudy


Joined: 25/05/2009
Posts: 369

Message Posted:
06/06/2009 09:30

So, at the end of the programme, what is the general consensus? Was it fair? And what is likely to come of it?

millzer


Joined: 12/04/2007
Posts: 978

Message Posted:
06/06/2009 10:58

Arbee, message 45. NO, they weren't talking about "IN the EVENT" (of a settlement)



Go here; http://www.cyprus-mail.com/news/ and click on the letters section, scroll down to article entitled;



"Editor’s note: Turkish Cypriot properties are protected"



Have a good day

rigsby


Joined: 21/09/2007
Posts: 912

Message Posted:
06/06/2009 11:04

I recorded the tonight programme in 2005 about the Orams case.I think that last nights episode had about 8 minutes of different content.The villa being knocked down was in Spain.We watched that on tv some time ago.Itv should be ashamed.

millzer


Joined: 12/04/2007
Posts: 978

Message Posted:
06/06/2009 11:12

Well I guess the editor has it wrong and i'll just have to take your word for it then!

ilovekibris


Joined: 18/05/2009
Posts: 394

Message Posted:
06/06/2009 23:02

Clayton wrote: "i dont think the turkish people would let anything happen to the people who have bought in confidance through recognised solicitors"

Do you honestly think they give a stuff about you? It was them who sold you a pup in the first place!

andre 514


Joined: 31/03/2008
Posts: 1163

Message Posted:
06/06/2009 23:05

lostgeezer you have lost me:

with a name listed as "henry crudd" you really are a serious punter?



I don't think your tc ever sold "greek land",

but it may have been land formerly occupied by greek cypriots however



and yes, he would be frightened to go south if that were known

but shouldn't be if there was ever the "peace deal" we hear so much about



so it could even be I am basically agreeing with you

although we started out from rather different "points of view" as it were

ilovekibris


Joined: 18/05/2009
Posts: 394

Message Posted:
06/06/2009 23:10

barnaclebill wrote: " I never questioned when i was told by solicitors,estate agents that the property i was buying was on exchange land which was land that was given to a TC in exchange for land he gave up in the South. Yet I with a lot of other ex-pats are branded as robbers,thieves etc,why in gods name would i question the authenticity of what i was been told"

Because any reasonable person buying property in a territory where its original inhabitants were removed by force should have heard alarm bells ringing when told the properties had been "exchanged".

TheSaints



Joined: 28/01/2009
Posts: 1369

Message Posted:
06/06/2009 23:21

"Because any reasonable person buying property in a territory where its original inhabitants were removed by force should have heard alarm bells ringing when told the properties had been "exchanged".



Not, you seem to think that the whole world knows about the Cyprus problem, there are more that don't than do.

When dealing with professional people and they tell you that Exchange took place it is a feasable exercise and also a feasable process why doubt it...any reasonable person would have no reason to doubt it...

ilovekibris


Joined: 18/05/2009
Posts: 394

Message Posted:
06/06/2009 23:28

msg 56,



hmm...

but then again...

andre 514


Joined: 31/03/2008
Posts: 1163

Message Posted:
06/06/2009 23:29

no i.l.k.this is not the only issue:



there is the conundrum of whether the changes of '63-'74 can be reversed



ie will the tc and gc refugees ever really return to their previous homes?

...in my humble opinion, this is vanishingly unlikely



or will the expat pensioner couple occupying a modest place on former scrubland

have to vacate it or stump up any compo? again, extremely unlikely for the vast majority



and yet gazing at itv on friday at 8pm,

why would I "question the authenticity of what I was being told"?

halffull


Joined: 26/01/2009
Posts: 571

Message Posted:
07/06/2009 00:18

I think cooper is right, your a long time dead don't worry be happy.

Most of us bought out here to retire and relax in our twilight years and get away from the stress. Who's buying the next efes?

Troodo


Joined: 12/06/2008
Posts: 1002

Message Posted:
07/06/2009 10:08

We will probably find out that the head of ITV has a Greek in the family.



Lostgeezer.

Pity you don't stay lost back on the GC fourm.



Troodo.

the butler


Joined: 22/06/2007
Posts: 1958

Message Posted:
07/06/2009 11:36

lostgeezer,



I find your personal comments on the Orams offensive and their appearance has nothing to do with their sad predicament. I like them could do with losing a few pounds but I am certainly not stupid. We like them bought our property on exchange land. When we bought there were no forums like this to get all the information that there is now. We trusted our developer and the independant lawer who both said the land was safe as it had been exchanged with land in the south. We were not being greedy by buying exchange land but it was the area and high finish of the development that decided where we bought. If it had been on pre74 Turkish title for £20.000 more we would have still bought. When we found out the real meaning of exchange land, we were sorry but we have put money aside and hope that when someone comes knocking on the door, they will accept the compensation.



The butlers wife

girne 29


Joined: 06/12/2007
Posts: 1488

Message Posted:
07/06/2009 13:49

lostgeezer

"they look like two fat idiots to me, they must be stupid. "



So you are brainy and have the body of an athlete. I think you should post a pic so us fatties can see what we should aspire to.



Got to go ,my full english breakfast for 10ytl beckons.

Aussie


Joined: 17/06/2007
Posts: 657

Message Posted:
07/06/2009 14:08

Millzer



Re ROC Guardian Law



There have been cases of TC's who did not exchange their land in the south for GC property in the North but have still been denied access to it by the ROC, such as the case Arif Mustafa. He had to appeal to the UCHR and finally won a case in the ROC Supreme court 2006. The ROC eventually stopped fighting this decision after initially appealing.



Other owners have been refused right of return due to joint ownership where one owner lives in the TRNC.



Also refer to



http://www.cyprus44.com/forums/4965.asp





What sort of protection is it when you don't receive a cent of rent let alone full market rental and the Guardian Board is not transparent in its finances or what it does with the concessional rents it receives.



The 6 month rule is also a joke and it makes a mockery of GC complaints about use of their properties in the North.



In cases of compulsory acquisition of TC land why haven't the ROC paid full market compensation yet ?





Au

Tiggy


Joined: 25/07/2007
Posts: 1994

Message Posted:
07/06/2009 14:34

Arold Crudd.....sounds about the right name for a Civil Servant......Put a picture on here of yourself so we can see if you are a big fat idiot as well..... or maybe a skinny one



Do you lot still wear bowler hats and have an umbrella to use to steady yourself's up with ?

TheSaints



Joined: 28/01/2009
Posts: 1369

Message Posted:
07/06/2009 15:55

msg 63



I bought in Bugaria 2 years ago, English Lawyers are of no use to you at all in a property purchase out there you need a Bugarian registered Lawyer.

If you think buying a property in Bulgaria is a better option than buying in the TRNC take it from one who has it isn't...

But if you would like any info on the purchasing process, refurb costs etc always happy to help.

rayz1


Joined: 22/03/2008
Posts: 65

Message Posted:
07/06/2009 15:56

Stating people who get conned buying property abroad are mugs and should have asked the right

questions is a wrong assumption because if it can happen to Geoff Hurst it can happen to anyone

the butler


Joined: 22/06/2007
Posts: 1958

Message Posted:
07/06/2009 17:53

Hi Lostgeezer,



Message 63, I don't like greek forums because they are racist but you can call people fat and stupid. I don't believe you were ever a civil servant. If you were god help us.







The butlers wife

RedSnapper


Joined: 12/08/2008
Posts: 540

Message Posted:
07/06/2009 18:06

As usual financial issues are taking priority over peoples welfare and happiness.

MotoMoto


Joined: 15/02/2009
Posts: 152

Message Posted:
07/06/2009 18:49

Harold Crudd - cival servant - the name and so called profession sum you up you offensive little creep - remove yourself from the forum on your way to becoming miserable in Bulgaria!

lesleyd



Joined: 05/06/2007
Posts: 265

Message Posted:
07/06/2009 19:59

My husband and I watched it and we thought it was a bit one sided Larnaca air port some of it is also on Turkish land what will they do about that? try and claim that back?.

dav88



Joined: 01/08/2008
Posts: 605

Message Posted:
10/06/2009 13:14

Lostgeezer



Why dont you go and get a life? who do you think you are assuming someone must be stupid because they are `fat` and coming on here and calling people `creeps` WTH!!????



Looking at your posts I can say that no fat/slim person could sound as stupid as yourself even if they tried, have a read before you send your posts as you sound like a 6 year old kid!!!!



Have a bit of decency and do not send anything else - you are simply not welcome



BUH-BYE!!

clarets



Joined: 08/01/2009
Posts: 752

Message Posted:
10/06/2009 13:38

Lostgeezer's injection is obviously wearing off! Will be over in a min........with my bag of tricks!

dizzycows


Joined: 12/05/2009
Posts: 2736

Message Posted:
10/06/2009 13:54

Re mr nasty person Lostgeezer. ----My bag of tricks wont wear off Clarets!



Very nasty to call the Orams fat etc etc, having met with them, they both are a couple, that since all of this saga have perhaps indulged more at their own admission. So have a little more thought before trying to put your brain in gear Lostgeezer. I say 'trying', as it is sometimes difficult when you have never had to think for yourself.

Got a BIGGER SYRINGE than you clarets if you need one

clarets



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Posts: 752

Message Posted:
10/06/2009 14:21

Lostgeezer,you appear to have built up a lynch mob already on the forum ie people who want to lynch you! You would be well advised to go back to your cave and look for "my precious" alone!

clarets



Joined: 08/01/2009
Posts: 752

Message Posted:
10/06/2009 14:30

"my precious" is a term Gollum uses.......Have you read Lord of the Rings/The Hobbit by J.R.Tolkein? I have this picture of you in my mind. Yes,unfortunately,I am a real doctor......all 6 foot 5 inches of me!

dizzycows


Joined: 12/05/2009
Posts: 2736

Message Posted:
10/06/2009 14:36

Lostgeezer to answer your question on whether Im nasty or that the Orams are nasty. How do you know if you have never met them, talked to them or tried to see their point of view without condeming them via insults!

Lostgeezer, it just so happens in this strange old world as it is, I actually knew of these people indirectly over 20yrs ago and they both are a very unassuming couple without a hint of malice in them!

Met with them, not long ago, and realised who they were, so there you have it, they were never fat, never nasty and still are the same very kind couple caught up into something that should never have happened.

simbas



Joined: 16/07/2007
Posts: 5943

Message Posted:
10/06/2009 14:44

Lostgeezer , you have an unfortunate manner and it does'nt seem to improve , you are now banned for a period of time .

Simbas

clarets



Joined: 08/01/2009
Posts: 752

Message Posted:
10/06/2009 14:50

Simbas.......maybe he(Lostgeezer) will scuttle off back to middle earth now!

dizzycows


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Posts: 2736

Message Posted:
10/06/2009 14:53

Oh Simbas, we can hold our own with 'little boys'. x

dav88



Joined: 01/08/2008
Posts: 605

Message Posted:
10/06/2009 14:55

This man has issues and doesnt know what hes saying....



Whats health got to do with being stupid???!!!

Notsoboredhw


Joined: 15/03/2007
Posts: 1254

Message Posted:
10/06/2009 16:36

This thread is now closed.



Reason: Not specified.



I have closed this thread as clearly it was becoming a slanging match and diverted from the subject. Please be polite to each other.