WELL DONE BNP, won 2 seats

kellybelly


Joined: 08/03/2009
Posts: 263

Message Posted:
08/06/2009 11:22

We live in a democracy,and clearly enough people have the courage to stand up and face the critics for voting BNP.Make no mistake main stream politics has had a hammering.Problem is many main stream politicians are clearly in politics for their own ends,what with all the recent revelations about expenses etc,etc.They themselves have pretended to be whiter than white often for the purposes of political correctness.fact is UKIP and BNP have the courage and now the growing support to stand up and represent many British people, British culture,and values.Once again I'm not a racist,have no interest in religion,but i feel the UK is being abused.Clearly many people in Germany,France, Italy, and particularly Holland feel the same.

cronos


Joined: 26/10/2008
Posts: 2093

Message Posted:
08/06/2009 11:28

"pretended to be whiter than white "



Deliberate pun ?

kellybelly


Joined: 08/03/2009
Posts: 263

Message Posted:
08/06/2009 11:35

MSG 2, not a deliberate put.Would you prefer it to be ?

kellybelly


Joined: 08/03/2009
Posts: 263

Message Posted:
08/06/2009 11:37

MSG 3,correction meant pun.

cronos


Joined: 26/10/2008
Posts: 2093

Message Posted:
08/06/2009 11:42

Msg 3....bit touchy aren't you ?



Get out there and celebrate your victory.

kellybelly


Joined: 08/03/2009
Posts: 263

Message Posted:
08/06/2009 11:51

MSG 5, touchy subject your probably right,that's how i think many people feel.

mmmmmm



Joined: 19/12/2008
Posts: 8398

Message Posted:
08/06/2009 11:52

I suppose you wanted the Gurkhas to be repatriated, too..



You must be very "proud"....



I'm with Cronos..

kellybelly


Joined: 08/03/2009
Posts: 263

Message Posted:
08/06/2009 12:12

MSG 7, 6ms its you again old big head,yes I'm very proud of the Gurkha's they deserve all the hospitality the UK can offer, so you supposed wrong.If you remember you in previous threads have mocked my family's relationship with the UK forces,i will not be replying to any more of your posts on this subject because your imput to this forum is often viewed by forum admin and other members as disruptive.Get over yourself. PS HOW MANY TIMES HAVE YOU BEEN BANNED FROM THIS AND OTHER FORUMS.

ustwo


Joined: 08/12/2008
Posts: 67

Message Posted:
08/06/2009 12:26

I agree with you kellybelly .It's nothing to do with racism .Foriegners coming to any country to contribute can only enhance it. Unfortunately there are a few who are only there to milk our country at our expense.It is so sad to see my England suffering .There is a saying, Britain is a wonderful country to live ,if you are not British .

Cyprusraider


Joined: 08/04/2009
Posts: 99

Message Posted:
08/06/2009 12:31

????????????????????????????

keithr


Joined: 20/08/2008
Posts: 720

Message Posted:
08/06/2009 12:37

Funny that 2 UKIP MEPS have been questioned for fraud over expenses....

mmmmmm



Joined: 19/12/2008
Posts: 8398

Message Posted:
08/06/2009 12:39

Dear KellyBelly



re msg 8



1/ I'm "mocking" you and your obvious double stds - certainly not serving members of HM Forces.. but you knew that.. do try to stick to facts..



2/ So, how DO you explain your loyalty to the Gurkhas, and "support" for a party that wishes to repatriate non Ethnic Brits.



Just heard the leader of BNP tell us "Poles shouldn't be here" ( 10.36 UK time BBC Breakfast) ... OK, so Brits shouldn't be in Cyprus ?! .... TCs shouldn't serve in the UK army ?! .. where will it end?



I guess you don't want to reply as the questions are "difficult"...



Me thinks he let his guard slip..

Dixie Normus


Joined: 22/02/2008
Posts: 820

Message Posted:
08/06/2009 12:53

Top Post Kellybelly,



If the mainstream politicians, had listen to the people they represented, the immigration problem could have been nipped in the the bud ten years ago. Tony and his cronies looked upon it as a boost to the economy when in fact it has disrupted and caused the break up of communities throughout the country. The damage has now been done the main parties are no longer trusted and the backlash has caused a foothold for the far right not only in the Uk but Europe aswell. Disafection will swell their ranks, and hopfully the voice of the man on the street will be listened too, we've been led up the garden path by mainstream corrupt politicians and the PC brigade for to long, the worm has now turned.



D.N

mmmmmm



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Posts: 8398

Message Posted:
08/06/2009 12:59

Dear D.N.



As I've mentioned before - do TRY to try to bring in a non EU citizen into this country, now - legally.



The immigration problem concerns Asylum seekers and how to deal with them while they await the decision.



The man in the street has been led up the garden path ....;)

Checkmate


Joined: 31/08/2008
Posts: 140

Message Posted:
08/06/2009 13:00

mmmmmm..Your name explains you very well, Is there any subject that you are not an expert in???



The British Isles has become a haven for non Brits, to use as a means of income. ie our National Health System, Benifit Support etc etc. Our fore fathers payed the ultimate sacrifice to ensure people like me had such things.



I have recently left the forces after serving for 24 years, it makes me sick to the bone to hear do gooders like you spout of. Go and catch some real criminals who are watching TV illegally..................that could end the world!!!!!

ilovekibris


Joined: 18/05/2009
Posts: 394

Message Posted:
08/06/2009 13:06

So how many BNP-supporting fascists do we have on the forum?

mmmmmm



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Posts: 8398

Message Posted:
08/06/2009 13:14

Dear Checkmate



re msg 15



I am an "Expert" at living in a foreign Country at being an immigrant.. I am an "expert" in dealing with UK Immigration laws..



By "British Isles I assume you mean the UK - which excludes Eire?



Our NHS is manned by a heck of a lot of people "we" would send "home" if folk like you had their way..



Our forefathers fought alongside many nations and we allowed some of them to live in the UK - where do we draw the line and send their relatives back?



If you are representitive of the type of folk who serve to protect the UK and it's "interests" I'm glad you are no longer a serving member.



I hope to God you never made Officer rank.

chick


Joined: 02/07/2008
Posts: 323

Message Posted:
08/06/2009 13:23

Msg 16.



Its not for you to ask "how many BNP facists on the forum". Everyone is entitled to their own views.

cruggs


Joined: 06/04/2008
Posts: 498

Message Posted:
08/06/2009 13:26

well said kellybelly,if people had no problems with immigration,they would not have voted for the bnp.

i have no problems with legal immigrants, entering the uk, but that is just my opinion.what i can,t stand is the

illegal, economic migrants that come over here to spunge off the state.a reporter asked the mayor of calais

the other week why so many illegal immigrants wanted to come to the uk,her reply was for the generous welfare benefits,they could get in the uk. as to the gurkhas, if anybody has the wright to live in the uk it is them as they have and still are serving in britains armed forces.as to forced repatriation it will never happen if

you are legally here in the first place.

mmmmmm



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Posts: 8398

Message Posted:
08/06/2009 13:37

Dear Cruggs



Welcome to the debate...



So, should the Poles be sent home? (They are here legally) .. The BNP think so..



If "we" go down the BNP route, should we be surprised if other nations go down the same route and prevent UK Citizens retiring or working abroad ?

bogeyman


Joined: 04/06/2009
Posts: 175

Message Posted:
08/06/2009 14:04

6ms 2220 posts in 6 months must be an expert. i agree with some of the bnps manifesto and also that of the other parties that does not make anyone facists or racists. what i disagree with is people from other countries going to another country and trying to change it to there own ways. when going to another country who has accepted you intergrate not dictate as i do here in the trnc. the thing i agree with the bnp is british jobs for british workers. i feel for our forces when they have been fighting for our country come home and get spat at they must think why do i bother or seeing a gay copper get 500,000 grand compo for victimisation when he or she may only get a pittance and be maimed for life

Harold2555



Joined: 19/04/2008
Posts: 1139

Message Posted:
08/06/2009 14:05

Dear all



In my opinion the fact that the BNP have the right to stand in elections in the UK is healthy. The fact that anyone votes for them is sad.



In my opinion the BNP is a racist party. They pretend not to be but you don't have to scratch very deeply to see their true colours. There are some racists in Britain who will vote for them, but I believe that there are a far larger number of people who did vote for them who don't subscribe to their policies at all and have had a knee jerk reaction. My faith in human nature forces me to hope this anyway.



All MM is doing is pointing out some of the true implications of supporting this party. His modus operandi is to pick on emotive issues such as the Ghurkas issue and use this to drive a coach and horses through the BNP position. He compares the BNP position to the position of ex pats. A good analogy and a relevant one to a forum used by ex pats amongst others.



Harold2555

Dixie Normus


Joined: 22/02/2008
Posts: 820

Message Posted:
08/06/2009 15:16

MMMS ref msg 14,

The system has certainly been tightened for genuine applicants but remains flexible for proffessional/qualified type people that will be a credit and put somthing into the system. Why should economic immigrants that have entered the country by the back door be given legal aid from Tax payers funds to fight a case, and even when the case is lost, still not get ejected. This is an example of why a backlash has taken place. Nothing should be given to people who have not put into the system. The Uk is now a carcass that has had its bones picked dry, it will take generations to rectify the wrongs and a goverment that does not back, or listen to the voices of its own is not what i want to see steering the ship.



D.N

mmmmmm



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Posts: 8398

Message Posted:
08/06/2009 15:27

Dear D.N. re msg 14



So we agree that something has to be done about Asylum seekers - many of whom are economic migrants..



But can ANYONE who understand why someone voted BNP or who voted BNP explain why Poles "shouldn't be here" ?

britvic



Joined: 05/09/2008
Posts: 3039

Message Posted:
08/06/2009 15:37

I understand why some people would vote for the BNP, we are inundated with immigrants illegal or other wise, thinking our streets are paved with gold, our country is a 'soft touch' to anyone who wants to come in, why on earth we cannot adopt the procedures of other Country's I will never understand, wherever else in the world you want to reside, you also have to prove an income, or the means to live in that Country, you cannot do any job that the native of that Country can do etc..........However, I do feel the BNP may go too far, in that they will become extremists.



Why can't they just get it right?

cruggs


Joined: 06/04/2008
Posts: 498

Message Posted:
08/06/2009 15:39

dear m,s. if you read my post again you will see that i have no qualm,s with people working here legally.

i have worked on building site,s with polish, latvian, and russians,and found them to be hard working and they have come over here to work,not to spunge off of the state. when the site had been finished they looked for other work or returned to their own countries. one of the latvian,s returned to latvia too get married and build a home,from the proceed,s of his employment in the uk. lets get a grip on the situation two bnp people have been elected too the e.u this doe,s not mean that the uk has become fascist overnight, rather that they have become despondent with the open door policy of the new labour misgoverment, and so cast a protest vote,to show their displeasure of the goverments policy on immigration.

mmmmmm



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Posts: 8398

Message Posted:
08/06/2009 15:47

Dear Britivic



Believe me, if you marry a non EU Citizen and TRY to bring her to the UK legally we have to prove that :



1/ the marriage is genuine



2/ there are no resources to public funds for the partner or her offspring - UK Citizens pay approx £1600 over three years per family member and another £700 for citizenship - and they must pass "the life in Britain test " - which most Brits WOULD fail or prove competence in English.



Getting IN to the UK, as family member, is NO "soft touch"... our immigration laws are now some of the toughest in the world. I am under no illusion as to WHY...

mmmmmm



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Posts: 8398

Message Posted:
08/06/2009 15:56

Dear Cruggs



re msg 26



>> if you read my post again you will see that i have no qualm,s with people working here legally. <<



I understood THAT ! Poles live leave legally .. so I was asking WHY the leader of the BNP asked "what are Poles doing here, anyway? " I am concerned that BNP and UKIP both want the UK out of the EU - without THINKING of the downsides...



I am not a Labour voter - I guess I'd align myself with Ken Clarke - so I want to ask you on what basis you think we have an "open door" policy to immigration - WE DON'T ...



If one of your Latvian workers is born of Russian parentage in Latvia and he or his parents have refused to take the Latvian language test - even if BORN there - we, in Britain don't regard them as EU Citizens and they don''t have the right to work in the UK and need visas to enter !



Most Eastern European nations didn't choose to be part of the Soviet bloc and I am at a loss to see how we can differentiate between Poles and the Irish..

britvic



Joined: 05/09/2008
Posts: 3039

Message Posted:
08/06/2009 16:03

Hi 6 M's There are however still too many 'illegals' in this country, there is even a special squad going around rounding them up on a daily basis, I watched a programme the other day and this squad pulled a man up at a bus station only to find his Visa had ran out 6 years prior! What has he been doing to support himself for the past six years? He had gotten himself a false passport from a child that had died and who would have been the same age as him, when they raided his house there where 10 people living their who were also 'illegal' and also had passports from dead children, they had acquired credit cards and various other forms of I.D too.

It can't be that difficult then, all you need is a foot in the door say your staying for six months as a student, even gain a place in a University......................Then disappear, that's what they did.

mmmmmm



Joined: 19/12/2008
Posts: 8398

Message Posted:
08/06/2009 16:04

re msg 28



I said



..Poles live leave legally<<



of course I meant "Poles live here, legally" - so I ask AGAIN.. Can anyone with BNP or even UKIP sympathies explain to me where will will draw the line.. if Poles "shouldn't be here"...

DONTY


Joined: 07/06/2007
Posts: 534

Message Posted:
08/06/2009 16:15

I'm a bit worried about the BNP's Military Policy. It looks like they want to bring back the Spitfire???!!!!

http://bnp.org.uk/policies/defence/

mmmmmm



Joined: 19/12/2008
Posts: 8398

Message Posted:
08/06/2009 16:18

Dear Brtivic



re msg 30



your examples are a hangover from successive govts not enforcing border controls..



When a UK Visa holder LEAVES the UK we didn't know until they tried to come back ! ..



When my wife leaves the UK - there's no border control - no-one checks her visa / passport and records her LEAVING.



There's loads of WELL dodgy "school" / colleges that will - for a fee - say you are a student and then confirm it when the visa holder is questioned .. if you watched such a TV prog - you'll know such "schools / colleges" days are numbered..



You'd also know that the fine for employing non legal folk is 10k GBP per employee for the employer.



Thing HAVE tightened up ( including passport application criteria) and not before time.

Tiggy


Joined: 25/07/2007
Posts: 1994

Message Posted:
08/06/2009 16:30

Kellybelly and DC,



Respect your comments. Why did the British government put a limit on Rumanians seeking work in this country and a open house invatation to the Polish community......Tony Blair said when the eastern block countries were given EC entry......We expect from 20,000 up to 50,000 workers to come to britain to seek work...........We have been hit by a locust storm. Not including all the other pretenders seeking asylum etc.



No government has ever had the curtosy of asking its people what they think and feel about this.

Open your mouth and be honest and you are classed as a racist/no PC and all that BO@@OCKS. Mr Powell had the balls to forewarn.



I hope the Politicians now wake up and see how people really feel.



Now Mr Griffin has his foot in the door we will see what his iagenda really is.



P.

mmmmmm



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Posts: 8398

Message Posted:
08/06/2009 16:36

Dear Tiggy



re msg 33



>>Why did the British government put a limit on Rumanians seeking work in this country and a open house invatation to the Polish community<<



Patrick, the Poles, were subject to the same four year "you need a work permit - and no recourse to public funds" rule, too, when they joined in May 2004 - it expired in Apr 30 2008



It now only applies to Romanians and Bulgarians until 2011 - the fine is GBP1000 - even though they are allowed to COME to the UK.



Do you think Enoch Powell had only non white folk in mind...? If not why should the UK not treat Irish Citizens in the same way as other EU nationals ...



Do YOU think the Poles should not be in the UK, too ?.....

Tiggy


Joined: 25/07/2007
Posts: 1994

Message Posted:
08/06/2009 16:56

Mark, Thanks for clearing that up for me.



Mr Powell ended up in N.I. as a politician. The Irish matter is a different case as I believe it was a way of repaying for what has happened in Ireland in the past.



The Poles like all others here are entitled to travel and work in Europe......the amount of them has cleary put a strain on our services of schools hospitals/doctors etc. I have above and below me Polish workers living in two bed flats......at least 6 to 8 + in each of them.(none related) both have started families since being here. We get on quiet well other than at times they drink and smoke like billyo! They have indicarted they are only here for the money and it is paying for houses etc in Poland. The EC has given millions £ to Poland for infastructure works, to which this will be a fall back when this cow is out of milk here.



What does get me is some people spout off about these things when they do not live in the same environment and do not understand.

Littlenige



Joined: 24/12/2006
Posts: 3594

Message Posted:
08/06/2009 17:07

BNP to get £4million cash boost as party celebrates first ever Euro election successes



The far-Right British National Party will receive a £4million boost to its income after its European election breakthrough.



The neo-fascist party sent shockwaves through Westminster by winning two seats as voters turned their back on the political establishment.



BNP leader Nick Griffin won in the North-West and Andrew Brons snatched a seat from Labour in Yorkshire and the Humber after their vote collapsed.



Now thanks to a lucrative system of pay and allowances, the two MEPs will bring a much-needed bonanza to the previously cash-strapped party.



Each qualifies for an annual package of £395,000, and over the five years until the next election, the two together will be able to claim almost £4million.



http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1191424/EUROPEAN-ELECTIONS-BNP-wins-seat-EU-Parliament-Labour-crash.html

Tiggy


Joined: 25/07/2007
Posts: 1994

Message Posted:
08/06/2009 17:09

Does Nick Griffin have a Duck House !

DutchCrusader



Joined: 19/05/2008
Posts: 11281

Message Posted:
08/06/2009 17:16

RE msg 36, littlenige > as party celebrates first ever Euro election successes < (BNP)



=> Yes. And now what? Shouting a ritual "Nay!" in the EP. So what? There are 736 (if I remember well) MEP's! BNP's uncivilised shouting will not even be heard as a whisper. And that's good - for all of us.

mmmmmm



Joined: 19/12/2008
Posts: 8398

Message Posted:
08/06/2009 17:32

Tiggy re 35



but do you think - like the BNP leader that the Poles should be sent home ? Please don't forget that many of them WORK(ED) in the NHS, too.



I never heard too many folk complaining about the workmanship - especially UKIP MEPs employing them ;)

Littlenige



Joined: 24/12/2006
Posts: 3594

Message Posted:
08/06/2009 17:36

I would never vote bnp they are far to left wing for me !!

Littlenige



Joined: 24/12/2006
Posts: 3594

Message Posted:
08/06/2009 17:37

BNP to get £4million cash boost as party celebrates first ever Euro election successes



The far-Right British National Party will receive a £4million boost to its income after its European election breakthrough.



The neo-fascist party sent shockwaves through Westminster by winning two seats as voters turned their back on the political establishment.



BNP leader Nick Griffin won in the North-West and Andrew Brons snatched a seat from Labour in Yorkshire and the Humber after their vote collapsed.



Now thanks to a lucrative system of pay and allowances, the two MEPs will bring a much-needed bonanza to the previously cash-strapped party.



Each qualifies for an annual package of £395,000, and over the five years until the next election, the two together will be able to claim almost £4million.



http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1191424/EUROPEAN-ELECTIONS-BNP-wins-seat-EU-Parliament-Labour-crash.html

kavenkoy


Joined: 10/04/2008
Posts: 1787

Message Posted:
08/06/2009 17:51

bnp

will get stronger if rest of parties dont pull fingers out and start to kerb all the spongers that are draining uk tax payers .



bnp only done well in some areas as town are being changed forever and people want identitiy back .



especially all the former lancashire mill towns .



kav

kellybelly


Joined: 08/03/2009
Posts: 263

Message Posted:
08/06/2009 17:57

MSG 42 KAV,you are well informed.

Tiggy


Joined: 25/07/2007
Posts: 1994

Message Posted:
08/06/2009 18:07

Mark, I ran out of charachters in msg 35. (I was not indicating it was you.)



I deal with builders working outside permitted hours in my job and the vast majority are Polish making noise and money to be sent home. I have nothing against them and as I said they are entitled to stay. I do not feel they have to be sent home.



I am a qualified carpenter and Joiner with credit awarded City and Guild certificates and did 23 years in the building game. A lot of the work I have seen I do not consider to be of a qualified persons standard.



They have undercut builders and provided the mainly rich with services that they themselves do not pass down to others. Greed fuelled....a lot of complaints are being registered to Trading Standards at local councils and it makes me laugh.



Wish at times we could have the spoken word.



Patrick

mmmmmm



Joined: 19/12/2008
Posts: 8398

Message Posted:
08/06/2009 18:09

Re msg 42 Kav



thanks for trying to explain why folk might THINK they are supporting spongers ..



Most Asylum seekers are NOT from the ethnic groupings that might up the folk living in say Burnley (Lancs - NW ) / Bradford ( Yorks / Humberside) .. perhaps *you* can explain - no-one else has.. why the leader of BNP said this morning "why are Poles here?"...



Are the Poles going to be the new Irish ?

roey65


Joined: 07/01/2009
Posts: 9

Message Posted:
08/06/2009 18:11

I believe some have voted for the BNP as a protest and they feel let down and frustrated by the main parties , but i honestly feel that the majority have learn't the lessons from 65 years ago ,if people really thought that the BNP HAD A CAT IN HELLS chance of getting into power i think they would go with there consience and not vote for them . Maybe i'm nieve but i have got faith in human kind that they will always do the right thing eventually

Tiggy


Joined: 25/07/2007
Posts: 1994

Message Posted:
08/06/2009 18:12

I doubt it Mark,



They are not well liked in Ireland either.

Harold2555



Joined: 19/04/2008
Posts: 1139

Message Posted:
08/06/2009 18:16

MM



"Are the Poles going to be the new Irish?"



In America in terms of the jokes they already are and have been for some time.



They will be so until the next round of expansion country workers are allowed to work here.



Contrary to staement above, Poles do not need a work permit to work in the UK, they need to register under the Workers Registration Scheme. This is a formality and is not a permit to work.



Romanians on the other hand are as it is said in need of a work permit to be employed in the UK, but not I believe to be self employed.





Harold2555

mmmmmm



Joined: 19/12/2008
Posts: 8398

Message Posted:
08/06/2009 18:27

Hi Harold,



re msg 48



I think this place will help "clear up" the UK regulations re EU / EA members



http://www.direct.gov.uk/en/Employment/Understandingyourworkstatus/Migrantworkers/DG_10026524



YES the Poles, etc are "supposed to register if working for a company in the UK for more than one month, but NOT if they have been in continuous employment for more than a year - but NOT if S.Employed or if there partner can work in the UK as a EU citizen





I SERIOUSLY doubt- that under 2004/EC 38 Directive - that this requirement is legal and the UK has been one of the WORST member states for non / poor implimentation of this directive - which allows freedom of movement - within the EU for citizens and their dependent family members.



Mark

mmmmmm



Joined: 19/12/2008
Posts: 8398

Message Posted:
08/06/2009 18:30

re msg 49



before DC picks me up ..



YES it's THEIR partner



and



EA should read EEA ( European Economic Area - e.g Norway / Switzerland )



:(

amazona


Joined: 17/05/2009
Posts: 6

Message Posted:
08/06/2009 20:46

Hmmm, Nick Griffin, denies the holocaust ever happened..why is that then.....I hear he has saved on expenses already and recycled Oswald Moseley,s black shirts... hey but at least he is saving the tax payer money

ilovekibris


Joined: 18/05/2009
Posts: 394

Message Posted:
08/06/2009 21:02

chick wrote: "Its not for you to ask "how many BNP facists on the forum". Everyone is entitled to their own views."

Yes, and my view is that a vocal supporter of fascists is also a fascist and should be monitored by the security services.

My father's generation fought shoulder to shoulder with their Empire comrades to rid the world of fascists. You know what they did to them when they caught them.

clarets



Joined: 08/01/2009
Posts: 752

Message Posted:
08/06/2009 21:03

Kellybelly.......I TOTALLY agree with you.....its actually called democracy.....only whisper it because the lefties on like left-wing dogma....and wont allow any other opinions!

ilovekibris


Joined: 18/05/2009
Posts: 394

Message Posted:
08/06/2009 21:10

Tiggy wrote: "We have been hit by a locust storm."



Funnily enough that's what a lot of people say happened in the TRNC when cheap knock-off property became available to the expat C1s and C2s.

cronos


Joined: 26/10/2008
Posts: 2093

Message Posted:
08/06/2009 21:14

Clarets....you seem to have a lot of faith in the power of democracy,but I would suggest that the brand of democracy you would get under a BNP government may leave a lot to be desired !



Zimbabwe is a democracy isn't it?

mmmmmm



Joined: 19/12/2008
Posts: 8398

Message Posted:
08/06/2009 21:15

Dear Clarets



re msg 53



"democratic parties" that have rules forbidding folk from certain ethnic groupings from membership don't KNOW what democracy is..

minertor



Joined: 14/02/2009
Posts: 1238

Message Posted:
08/06/2009 21:21

mmmmmmm, UK is Great Britain and NORTHERN Ireland. Eire separate country entirely.

How come the SNP don't get bad press, or Plaid Cymru. Is it only the English part of Britain that we're not supposed to support.

Before you knock and mock BNP supporters, log on to U-tube and bring on Shahid Malik, you know the Assistant Justice Minister that Brown blew out for operating a fiddle with his countrymen. BNP might or might not want to send the Maliks of this world home. Log on to U-tube and you'll be left in no doubt what Malik has in mind for us. But you won't, will you, too easy to follow the crowd, and look where that's got us.

As for being an immigrant yourself, in TRNC, get real. Most immigrants here benefit the TRNC by living here, instead of living here on benefits.

sweep


Joined: 11/10/2007
Posts: 241

Message Posted:
08/06/2009 21:21

what are the bnp polices ,quite interested in what they stand for as they get nothing but bad press in gb.



are they really that bad ?

AlsancakJack



Joined: 14/08/2008
Posts: 5762

Message Posted:
08/06/2009 21:30

Democracy, that old chestnut. A Prime minister that was not elected by the voting public nor his own party, now that is true democracy. When was the last time Labour presented a referendum to the voting public?

And the EU being demoocratic? don't make me laugh. Turkey and the TRNC are well out of it.

DutchCrusader



Joined: 19/05/2008
Posts: 11281

Message Posted:
08/06/2009 21:31

RE msg 1, kellybelly > WELL DONE BNP, won 2 seats <



=> After (all) the support for the BNP on this board I wanted to know more and so I read today a lot about this remarkable phenomenon. Should I really believe that some here are happy with Mr. Nick Griffin? After you've read THIS: http://tinyurl.com/nzjsco ?

clarets



Joined: 08/01/2009
Posts: 752

Message Posted:
08/06/2009 21:34

Cronos....Zimbabwe....isn't that the place where they eat each other ?

cronos


Joined: 26/10/2008
Posts: 2093

Message Posted:
08/06/2009 21:39

Be careful where you leave that petard !

mmmmmm



Joined: 19/12/2008
Posts: 8398

Message Posted:
08/06/2009 21:42

Dear DC,

re msg 60



WHY did you post this link.. ?



Those who voted for BNP will now claim "we have to be careful of "jealous" Right of centre party followers ... ;)

Checkmate


Joined: 31/08/2008
Posts: 140

Message Posted:
08/06/2009 23:59

mmmmm



Thankyou for your update of all your expertise, can I ask, why you hope I will never be an Officer? Can I alsoo ask, during your years of practicing expertice...........what have you ever done for your country??? .......... I don't doubt that you can tune a TV in!!!!!!!!



I would never vote BNP personnely, however I can understand some people's concerns.



P.S During my short humble career, of which I never intended to be an Officer, I have also lived and served in approx, well not approx......exactly 27 countries!!!

Tiggy


Joined: 25/07/2007
Posts: 1994

Message Posted:
09/06/2009 00:16

Car 54....where are you. or is that msg 54.



We shall here more on whatthe BNP are all about. Until then I have no real beef with them.

Fred8


Joined: 15/01/2009
Posts: 253

Message Posted:
09/06/2009 00:16

I can understand those who speak from afar on this forum and the way they speak but it is strange that those living in Kibris, as immigrants, to vioce support of scumbugs like the BNP. I am sure there is a contradiction somehwere.

mmmmmm



Joined: 19/12/2008
Posts: 8398

Message Posted:
09/06/2009 00:34

Dear Checkmate



re msg 64



>>>what have you ever done for your country?<<<



I had the choice to go to be an Officer in the Navy - but at the ( very ) last minute chose to earn my crust in comms (which I'm sure you used.. ) in "civvy street" ..



I said



>>>If you are representitive of the type of folk who serve to protect the UK and it's "interests" I'm glad you are no longer a serving member. I hope to God you never made Officer rank.<<< If you had to ask why - you just demonstrated why I made the statement...



When serving in 27 countries - in how many of 'em were you allowed to integrate with locals? .. not many I'll wager...

halffull


Joined: 26/01/2009
Posts: 571

Message Posted:
09/06/2009 01:06

mmmmmm,

Very common to hear of people who " be an officer in the Navy - but at the (very) last minute " but never actually served their country, just slag off those that do.

Mind you I believe your not even from the UK anyway just have a lot of opions about it.

Lemtich



Joined: 15/02/2007
Posts: 1487

Message Posted:
09/06/2009 01:29

This is starting to turn into a slanging match. Tread carefully.



Lem (Forum Admin mode)

Checkmate


Joined: 31/08/2008
Posts: 140

Message Posted:
09/06/2009 02:38

mmmmmm



Sorry I got into this



Ok you win........you would have made an excellent officer!!!

My last post on the matter.

ozzieTC


Joined: 15/05/2009
Posts: 48

Message Posted:
09/06/2009 04:45

Brits living in the TRNC should not be happy about the BNP gaining representation in the European parliament. Think of the agenda the BNP has, and think of the negative impact their anti-immigrant, anti-Muslim agenda will have on relations between the United Kingdom and Turkey. And then consider how important the political support of the UK for Turkey is for a whole range of things, the Cyprus dispute being one of them. Of the EU members, the only one to take a balanced stance on Cyprus is the United Kingdom; they are also one of two NATO members who take a balanced stance.



The BNP are NOT GOOD for the TRNC, and for expats living in the TRNC. Please consider this!!

wynyardman



Joined: 15/12/2007
Posts: 4580

Message Posted:
09/06/2009 07:58

kellybelly,



Be careful what you wish for! You may just get it!



wyn

mmmmmm



Joined: 19/12/2008
Posts: 8398

Message Posted:
09/06/2009 08:41

Dear Halfful



re msg 68



>>>Very common to hear of people who " be an officer in the Navy - but at the (very) last minute " but never actually served their country, just slag off those that do. <<<



No, my response was factual and truthful - and I never regretted the change of mind.. The RN kept sending me copies of "Fleet News" for a couple of years .. Methinks, checkmate and possibly you, thought my NOT serving was something detrimental, character-wise..?!





>>>Mind you I believe your not even from the UK anyway just have a lot of opions about it.<<<



Sorry, you "believe" wrong..

clarets



Joined: 08/01/2009
Posts: 752

Message Posted:
09/06/2009 12:53

DC msg 60.......cant think of any other politicians who have changed their tack either.....can you!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! More Stalinist controlled press espousing the usual anti-democratic diatribe!

PeppaPig


Joined: 04/01/2009
Posts: 89

Message Posted:
09/06/2009 15:25

I'm gobsmacked that there are so many people that are so blind to what BNP actually are. Does no one remember what they were like before they started playing the game and masking their beliefs with some political gloss?

I am living in TRNC now, so I'm admittedly not there in the UK now, but I was born and bred in the UK, and am British, obviously. I was luckily enough to work near a pub that was also a meeting point of BNP members. Members who with no hesitation at all, told me where I should be sent, as I'm not white. (mixed parentage).

I'm sorry, but the fact that the UK has a immigration problem etc, is almost by the by. A policital party that is ultimately based on White British Supremecy is surely not the way to go?

I'm not policital, so maybe i'm just way off the mark, but the idea of people like that even having a chance to rule any country worries me.

breezyboy


Joined: 14/05/2007
Posts: 1179

Message Posted:
09/06/2009 17:56

mmmmmmmm message 14

Try to bring a non eec citizen into this country.



Which country is that then mmmark?



Bloody difficult to bring one into ROC all sorts of stupidity in consulates and embassies , almost as many as UK embassies! And you have to go through it each and every time.



BUT TRNC it is dead easy, bought 2 in recently no visas and no rubbish from some jumped up old bat in ROC's Manchester consulate who is a mad jobsworth.The worst possible ad for ROC. All it is a travel agent owned by GCs who have a big problem considering nobody even mentioned TRNC as we were visiting friends in Pathos.

Anyway my missus has been a UK citizen for 18 months so I have no probs now crossing whatever you want to call the green border ceasefire demarcation UN peacekeeping line, but her friends do although they are welcomed into TRNC by nice friendly people and enjoyed their stay.

ilovekibris


Joined: 18/05/2009
Posts: 394

Message Posted:
09/06/2009 20:25

PeppaPig,

Good on you!

mmmmmm



Joined: 19/12/2008
Posts: 8398

Message Posted:
09/06/2009 21:54

Hi Breezyboy! re msg 76



I meant the UK.. the "rump" RoC are now wise to the directive 2004/EC/38 - I'm QUITE sure that some of that was down to my taking 'em to the EU Commission



The UK is supposed to grant the Non EU dependent's of EU citizens Residency stamps within six months... HAH!



The Mrs will have to get Visa to come back - if she leaves - even though she applied EIGHT months ago.. The BHC in Nicosia - we can get a visa to come back n 24 hours - for Free.. but what a farce..



The Mrs can cross over to the north and return - no problem - as she has CY ID.. but wo betide those on Non EU passports who try to enter via the north... unless you are from NZ, Oz, etc when they seem to turn a blind eye.





Funny thing happened to me in Dalaman in 2005 - I landed from Tymbou / Ercan and the TR passport/ Visa man stopped dealing with a queue of 200+ Russians to serve me - the only EU citizen.. Seems like EU citizens got priority..

HAPPY FEET


Joined: 18/07/2008
Posts: 416

Message Posted:
09/06/2009 22:25

I don't agree with the BNP but they are entitled to free speech like any other parties, the BNP party leaders got pelted today with eggs outside the house's of parliment, so why was that guy with the hook (cant think of his name) allowed to stand up and insite hatred to people , did we see anyone pelting eggs at him ?

briggus


Joined: 25/07/2007
Posts: 161

Message Posted:
09/06/2009 22:28

MSG 57 I think you will find he has been cleared - was he born abroad - if not he is as British as most on the MB.



Anyone would think the typical Brit is from a pedigree race - like it or not most of our decendants are originally from outside what we call Britain. Throughout history Britain has been settled by Angles,

Saxons, Romans, Normans , Irish settlers,West Indians and Asians from the Indian sub continent. The incoming of Polish and people from other areas of the world is just the next phase and they will work and pay taxes etc. Like in every part of society it will attract some undesirables / unsavoury individuals but we have some already.

If we wish to operate in our own little bubble and not partake in what is fast becoming a global economy we will soon be left behind and peoples standards of living within "Britain" will fall.

It just seems to be human nature along with the newspapers to focus on minorites and viilfy them - we need to be above that and move on.

halffull


Joined: 26/01/2009
Posts: 571

Message Posted:
09/06/2009 23:06

Sorry folks appartently my earlier post (68) made it sound like I supported the BNP. That was not the case I made the mistake of letting 6ms get under my skin and responded to one of his remarks it had nothing to do with the BNP. Sorry.

annie


Joined: 30/05/2007
Posts: 208

Message Posted:
09/06/2009 23:32

I'm with you Peppapig, ilovekibris, and all those posting on this thread voicing their concerns that the bnp (Could not bring my self to use capitol letters) has managed to convince too many that voting for wolves in sheep’s clothing is the way to go.



I particularly liked what harold225 had to say it was in my opinion spot on and he managed to say what a lot of us would like to say in a straight forward but eloquent way.



Fred8 extremely good point.



I really do hope that these first seats will be their last.



Clarets I did not want to single out those for the bnp as right or wrong.

We are all entitled to our opinions and our ancestors have fought bitter battles for the privilege but I read your post earlier this week on your new move to TRNC and the fact that you have seven children when I read that post I thought how lovely.



I have to admit now that you will as is your right be sharing your views with your children I feel sad.