Free speech is under attack

Littlenige



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Message Posted:
08/06/2009 17:41

The Nazis killed people who spoke out against the Third Reich, whereas the EU has implemented an altogether more efficient solution - simply kill their free speech instead.





A Dutch MP was recently refused entry to Britain because his political opinions were deemed offensive under EU laws. Euro MP’s have consistently attempted to ban the “dangerous and unregulated blogosphere” in an attempt to shut down free speech on the Internet. Under the 1999 ruling of the European Court Of Justice (case 274/99), it is illegal to criticize the EU and the EU is on a mission to outlaw any national political parties that do not pander to the European federal superstate agenda.



Top Nazi industrialists were ordered by SS Obergruppenfuhrer Dr Scheid to set up front companies abroad and pose as democrats in order to achieve economic penetration and lay the foundations for the re-emergence of the Nazi party.

Harold2555



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Message Posted:
08/06/2009 18:07

Where does that claptrap come from Nige? The bit about the EU, not the Nazis



Harold2555

Tiggy


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Message Posted:
08/06/2009 18:08

The same place as most of the other stuff comes from.



too mush time on his hands in Cyprus.

AndyR



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Message Posted:
08/06/2009 18:11

Not sure what promted your post, but I agree with the comments about the EU. Free speech, even if we abhor its content, is a fundamental human right and I tryly believe the EU is not capable of living up to that.

2 BNP members have been elected to the European Parliament. My heart sinks at this, but I would never deny them the right of free speech, knowing that ultimately they'll condemn themselves from their own mouths.

hattikins


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Message Posted:
08/06/2009 18:13

Nigel,

Was this the guy who denied the Holocaust, if so it,s old news mate.

mmmmmm



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Message Posted:
08/06/2009 18:17

Dear Nige



Can you find me a link to this case..*I* can't find it...



I CAN find ECHR case 274/99



http://eur-lex.europa.eu/LexUriServ/LexUriServ.do?uri=CELEX:62003J0540:EN:HTML



Are you actually aware of the reason that the UK refused entry? Did you know that an EU citizen can only be refused entry as a risk to national security or if they are a risk to public health ?





Anytime I can help you , Nige ;)

Littlenige



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Message Posted:
08/06/2009 18:19

Hattikins it is not



Any one who denys the holocost its atrocoties and events should be tarred & feathered and stung up by their toes with razor wire .



Just because one is not a communist left wind do gooder it does not make you na right wing bnp fascist blah blah blah TO MANY PEOPLE on here cast aspertions without an ounce of foundation.



We all have the right to an opinion, the right to vote and the right to be right / wrong.



Resorting to name calling and attempting to ridicule a person for their percieved point of view really is PATHETIC.



Yet this is the way of the EU and socialists through out the world.

AndyR



Joined: 23/04/2009
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Message Posted:
08/06/2009 18:19

Re the Dutch MP refused entry .....

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/7885918.stm

hattikins


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Message Posted:
08/06/2009 18:23

Hang on Nigel,

I only asked a question, I,m entitled to do that am I not.

Littlenige



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Message Posted:
08/06/2009 18:26

hattikins



Of course you are I tried to answer it In full

DutchCrusader



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Message Posted:
08/06/2009 18:27

RE msg 1, littlenige > A Dutch MP was recently refused entry to Britain because his political opinions were deemed offensive under EU laws. <



=> Just for the record, here are the facts: you're talking about Geert Wilders, leader of the ultra-right Partij voor de Vrijheid (PVV) and maker of a controversial film that didn't exactly acclaim much support in the Moslim world. The British Government, hearing about his plans in the UK and fearing massive unrest (in UK Moslim circles), denied him entry into the UK. He's now fighting his case in a British court.

Littlenige



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Message Posted:
08/06/2009 18:38

re > msg 11 < freedom of movement freedom of speech only apply < if you conform> to E u thought police imo

AndyR



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Message Posted:
08/06/2009 18:44

Well said Nige, That's the whole point, isn't it. He's elected by citizens and has a right to say what he thinks whether we agree or not

DutchCrusader



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Message Posted:
08/06/2009 18:55

RE msg 13, AndyR > He's elected by citizens and has a right to say what he thinks whether we agree or not <



=> He (Mr. Wilders - DC) is elected by DUTCH citizens and has a right to say IN HOLLAND what he thinks. Whether Brits or others agree or not is not relevant. That's why Mr. Wilders under Dutch law is prosecuted for hate speeches - in Holland. The right of free speech? Yes, always. But always within the limits of the law. There's an amazing similarity between Governments and Bulletin Boards, isn't there..?

AndyR



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Message Posted:
08/06/2009 19:04

My last comment on this is that Holland is a member of the EU, as is the UK, therefore his rights should be upheld in every European country. Surely that should one of the prime resaond for the existence of the EU?



As for your comment re the forum, I've no intentions of rising to the bait. If you don't like it, exercise your democatic right to post elsewhere!

Littlenige



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Message Posted:
08/06/2009 19:08

the EU has implemented an altogether more efficient solution - simply kill their free speech instead.



This is very very true.

wynyardman



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Message Posted:
08/06/2009 20:00

Hi Nige,



Does this apply to Dutch Crusader?





wyn

AlsancakJack



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Message Posted:
08/06/2009 20:05

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