would you pay compensation to a GC?

sporty


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Message Posted:
10/06/2009 00:47

a lot of posters on this board seem to overwhelmingly seem to be anti GC,i guess it's a north cyprus forum after all! i personally think that maybe a few expats would feel pretty pissed off if they lost land in uk because of civil war and they couldnt get it back,years later someones built on it and living in it,i know its happened on both sides north and south,i've stayed both north and south,i chose the north because of its charm and beauty over the more commercialised south. Yes i'm looking at how far the pound goes when it comes to purchasing also,but with the inherent risk associated a person should expect some "discount",however that being said,if they ever do get it all sorted out,i for one would be happy to pay compensation to a GC,provided it was a fair price and did not discriminate against my nationality over others,eg,turkish. Just a thought!I'm happy to own a place at "true"market value simply because i love the place,i wondered if others felt the same? No soap boxes pleas

kavenkoy


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Posts: 1787

Message Posted:
10/06/2009 07:43

what price do you think is fair ?,and how can you pay for something as compensation that you have not deprived anybody of ?



just typical thoughts i would have ....ir you live here for 2 years and you are asked to pay for 40years ....a bit unfair as well ?



kav

andre 514


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Posts: 1163

Message Posted:
10/06/2009 08:52

I agree with dave: the new buyer has not deprived anybody of anything



as regards being anti-gc where is the evidence?

yes people object to some of the actions of the gc government

as well as individuals but the trnc administration comes in for a lot of stick too



the true market value of anything is of course what it actually sells for,

property in north cyprus is heavily discounted because of for example

the lack of direct flights and the other isolations

which is a question for our neighbour to the south:

I think the north is already "sorted" while there are "risks" everywhere



I'd accept there is an argument in favour

of compensating anyone who had to leave home between 1963 and 1974

and this is why the feature was part of the rejected 2004 annan plan



but I do not think it appropropriate for expats and foreigners on this forum

to offer to stump up anything in a total vacuum as it were

turkeys never vote for xmas, if you will excuse the terrible pun

sporty


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Message Posted:
10/06/2009 09:28

kav, couldnt agree more with it being unfair 40yrs comp. for 2 yrs use.if done it would need to be pro-rata with the amount of time one has owned the place/land. Also it would need to be as a percentage of value of the property/land.



andre- agree trnc has a lot of stick also,because of isolations it is cheaper than perhaps it should be,problem is we brits love a bargain,risks or no risks.This in my view will backfire on GCs as comp wouldve been more because property in NC would have been more valuable.

I've not read the annan plan as regards comp for gc's between 63-74,this is hypothetical imo,as annan plan failed,but if they come to table with new deal after these negotiations it would then be addressed hopefully paying them for loss of their land and future access to it.I thought part of the reason GCs voted no was the fact that they would hold out for a better paid comp.package?They thought they could get more?

mmmmmm



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Posts: 8398

Message Posted:
10/06/2009 10:00

Re msg 1-3



So, guys what if you hadn't bought? There would be no market and the Cypriot- on who's land you house was built - would still - one day - be able to decide what to do with HIS/HER land..



>> the new buyer has not deprived anybody of anything

<<



Yeah, right...( heavy irony intended)



the new buyer - esp , now - knows VERY well ( as do the Orams' ) that it might not be his/her land they've had their house built on....You'll know if it is disputed.. So you simply can't say - not my problem / fault.. ( well you *can*- but you know it has a hollow ring !)



If you take this attitude, and your house *is* on GC land.. please see what happens *if* you are served with a RoC writ and defend it in a "rump" RoC Court..



OK, this is the worst case scenario...and probably HIGHLY unlikely - and anyone - so served - can and should defend themselves by pointing out that the ECHR have prescribed a route ( Turkey's IPC) ..but don't "kid" yourselves..

julie.andrews


Joined: 09/07/2008
Posts: 27

Message Posted:
10/06/2009 10:06

Good morning my dears,

In so far as Gerald and I understand certain matters of so called compensation, the administration in the Republic of Cyprus has, after making what they see as compulsory purchases, placed the relevant sums of moneys into an account in leu of any future settlement. The amounts are deposited as of the day of the compulsory purchase, and one would suspect the sums are not inflated.

It would seem consistent if the same were applied, i.e. a person should only be liable for any compensation from date of enactment, and of course the values could be argued to have been already set by the RoC themselves?

Incidentally, and acording to Gerald, there are laws in most countries regarding double compensation, so any individual who has already been compensated by its administration, maybe with alternative land, would be unable to claim a second time.

Do have a good day.

Mrs Andrew.

Troodo


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Message Posted:
10/06/2009 10:15

Courts are suposed to be impartial, you wouldn't stand a cat in hells chance in a "rump" RoC Court. The verdict would be given before you even arrived.



Troodo.

mmmmmm



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Message Posted:
10/06/2009 10:37

Dear Troodo



re msg 7



>>you wouldn't stand a cat in hells chance in a "rump" RoC Court. The verdict would be given before you even arrived. <<



possibly so.. but they ( RoC) are a member of the Council of Europe ( ECHR ) and EU ( ECJ) and I'm pretty sure that they don't WANT someone to defend another action like Mr Apostolides v Orams'...in case the new "Orams'" have a savvy brief who will point out the currently prescribed route for redress - Turkey's IPC.. ( which the "rump" RoC have foolishly discouraged folk from using - The RoCs Guardian of TC property is said to be the only authority that can handle such claims and "swaps" , etc.

Dusterbruce


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Message Posted:
10/06/2009 11:09

I would have thought that the person who should pay any compensation should be the person who was originally awarded the land after 1974 and profited from the sale of the land.

ataturk


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Message Posted:
10/06/2009 11:16

I would definitely pay compensation, yeh right. Our land has been taken on the south by the greeks, no compensation was paid or were they intending to pay. A few year ago a greek minister was rumbled changing turkish title deed land to greek title deeds. Our land was part of this cover up and we have no chance in hell of getting it back.

vincehugo


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Posts: 208

Message Posted:
10/06/2009 11:18

mmmm Re Msg 8



Interested in your suggestion that a savvy brief would point to the IPC. But wasn't this principle dismissed by the AG in preparing her opinion for the ECJ. I don't think it was part of the question she was asked, and I don't believe her view on the IPC was incorporated into the ECJ ruling, but I would be interested in your view on what she had to say about the IPC.



VH

mmmmmm



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Message Posted:
10/06/2009 11:25

re msg 10



Ataturk





>>few year ago a greek minister was rumbled changing turkish title deed land to greek title deeds. Our land was part of this cover up and we have no chance in hell of getting it back.<<



I wish some TCs would get together and ask the ECHR to rule on the fairness of the residency requirement in the "rump" RoC - I'm sure you could prove title in a fair fight...

mmmmmm



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Message Posted:
10/06/2009 11:33

Dear VH



re msg 11



The AG at the ECJ had to rule on the interpretation of the law - as it stands - reference Protocol 10 - the "green line Regulations" - and how they effected the ability of a RoC court to rule re an area beyond their effective control and whether a third party EU court could / should enforce said Judgement.



As Mr Apostolides won his case in the RoC Courts - through default - no Defence offered in the allowed period - AND the ECHR ruling wasn't in force, then...



Waz and I have discussed this often - The Apostolides v Orams' case - or more likely a newer version - could lead to a point whereby the ECHR comes into "conflict" with the ECJ...

awellwisher


Joined: 12/04/2009
Posts: 28

Message Posted:
10/06/2009 12:08

Would it not be easier to return all land to the original owners but give the present occupiers permanent right of leasehold.



Anyone who purchased should be give an amount of money back equating to the value of the land portion of their purchase and would pay ground rent to the original owner.



In the case of people who purchased Esdeger, then they will have owner rights to the land in the South rather than the original TC who dold the land on.



AWW

hds.trnc


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Message Posted:
10/06/2009 12:15

yes i would...as long as its a balanced approach

vincehugo


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Message Posted:
10/06/2009 12:24

Mark Re Msg 13



I appreciate the general context, but was referring specifically to the elements of the AG's Opinion where she considers the IPC as an alternative remedy and (I think) concludes that the existence of the IPC does not affect an individuals entitlement to pursue a civil claim against an individual. The relevant sections of the opinion are points 55 to 73. So whilst the IPC may provide a better practical solution it cannot be used as a "defence" should someone wish to pursue another Orams-like claim.



VH

Blackie


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Message Posted:
10/06/2009 14:38

There is a perfectly good medium for assesing compensation for Greek owned land in the North it is the Immovable Properties Commission which has sorted out a quite a few claims, they have three options compensation, exchange or restitution of the land to the original owner. The commission is recognised by the EU and the compensation is paid and quaranteed by Turkey. There is a problem in that the GCs actively discourage their citizens from using the commission. The GCs want everything make no mistake that even the best scheme will not be good enough. Sadly throughout history people have been disposesed and lost their land yugoslavia being one of the most recent, the Americans are not going to give New York back to the Indians. I for one would be happy to pay compensation but the sad fact is that the GCs will not accent anything other than full restitution they want us out.

Troodo


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Message Posted:
10/06/2009 15:01

Right on, Blackie.



Troodo.

Troodo


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Message Posted:
10/06/2009 15:05

With any justice the GC’s will end up rueing their pound of flesh.



Troodo.

coolkid


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Message Posted:
10/06/2009 15:57

no once you give an inch they take a bloody mile

clarets



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Message Posted:
10/06/2009 16:48

You are perceptively accurate in that judgement Blackie

ebbern5


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Message Posted:
10/06/2009 17:09

I was in the south some 15 years ago on holiday, everything we purchased had 3% TAX ADDED which was to help the cips who had lost propery in the north.



Surely there must be millions in this kitty or paid out so it seems to me they have or are holding their compensation money.



Also surely any action taken by the south to property owners in the north should be to the people who sold us the property or land and have made a profit from us.



lou

andre 514


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Message Posted:
10/06/2009 17:25

sporty/mark,



you have put a lot of thought into the theory of compensation

but as fair as real deals are concerned 'fraid it is only that at present



of course should a deal ever be agreed

there are some very thorny issues to be considered

like to what extent tc's displaced in '74 and "welcome" to live in south cyprus

may claim, just like their gc counterparts



I may be wrong but I thought the type of figure to go to

already-wealthy greek cyprus was about 5k sterling per property

and it seems to me it would be very difficult even to squeeze this from brits

in view of the increasing separation of the two cypruses since 2004

regarding the 100,000 turkish settlers they would likely refuse all requests



interesting stuff, however far from any forseeable prospect of happening



you state you are a builder from cornwall:

willing to give away money on such a dubious premise,

I wish we had similar builders in the area where I live

Troodo


Joined: 12/06/2008
Posts: 1002

Message Posted:
10/06/2009 17:33

Do I not remember some couple of years ago they found the kitty was bare? There was quite a to-do about it at the time, and then it all went quiet.



Troodo.

Hector


Joined: 26/08/2008
Posts: 2352

Message Posted:
10/06/2009 18:41

Surely, any compensation would only be paid a) at the time that a settlement was actually accomplished and the GC owner could take possession of their land (but for being built on) and b) for future loss of use of the land, not the previous years since 1974. Wouldn't a settlement have to contain a system for assessing & paying reasonable compensation?

andre 514


Joined: 31/03/2008
Posts: 1163

Message Posted:
11/06/2009 00:05

yes hector your comments are correct

but there are three glaring problems you unfortunately do not consider:



firstly who exactly is entitled ie should it not include tc's to be fair?



secondly why is it that the greek cypriot side, quite understandably,

talks about restitution never compensation, even taking over the whole island

yet there is a virtual cottage industry on cyprus 44 portraying the greek cypriots

asking for cash which they never really have?



thirdly why all this fantasy settlement talk or did I miss a sensational news report?

Hector


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Message Posted:
11/06/2009 00:21

andre 514

I was purely thinking out loud so to speak, to add my six penneth worth of thoughts, not writing 'war & peace' on the Cyprus issue.

sporty


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Posts: 685

Message Posted:
11/06/2009 01:44

interesting comments folks,what i find intriguing is there are so many different avenues that either side could take and so many arguments one way or other,makes me wonder why the hell i want to get involved with cyprus at all! Its a right mess,i'd like to think eventually they'll find some compromise,but to be honest i'm struggling to see how it ever will be settled amicably.

wynyardman



Joined: 15/12/2007
Posts: 4580

Message Posted:
11/06/2009 08:19

Would you pay compensation to a GC?



I thought I did, when I paid a full price to my developer for my villa. He reckons that he paid a full commercial price for the land

to the owner who was given full title to the land by The TRNC Government, who reckon that through The IPC offerred a fair exchange to The GC who was disposessed when he left the land after fleeing South.



The EU agree that The IPC is the proper route for The GC to ensure full and proper compensation!



wyn

mmmmmm



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Message Posted:
11/06/2009 10:22

Dear Wyn



re 29



1/ the ECHR ( Council of Europe) - have given turkey a trial period to offer a local remedy - that's NOT the EU



2/ If you thought you paid compo when you paid "full commercial price", etc. what do you REALLY think, now ? ;)



Andre_514



>>why all this fantasy settlement talk or did I miss a sensational news report?<<



May be you have selective receptors.. but the talks continue. ;)

wynyardman



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Message Posted:
11/06/2009 10:49

mmmmm,



I really think............



I paid a full price for a property in The TRNC Guaranteed by the Government of the TRNC. Recommended by my TRNC approved Advocate based on assurrances of an approved TRNC Estate Agent.



I further think that Turtle has a very valid point in that the reason that some 100,000 people are awaiting their property deeds in The ROC, may well be the fact, they have been built on stolen land, owned by former TCs. Why mmmmm in YOUR opinion are

deeds from property purchasers in The ROC being witheld despite enormous pressure from fellow EC members (predominatley

British?)



wyn.

andre 514


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Posts: 1163

Message Posted:
11/06/2009 13:53

it is spurious to keep going on about settlements and compensation:

assuming the two sides which have opposing agendas (turkish guarantee versus restitution)

can actually cook up some kind of formula, there are other pitfalls:



assume a 30% chance of a propsed re-unification deal in december 2009,

followed by a 30% chance of a "yes" vote by both sides

and then a 30% chance of it all holding together, noting that 1960 and 2004 failed,

multiplying 30%x30%x30% leaves you with less than a 3% chance of it ever happening



generally about north cyprus, I would class myself as both a supporter and an optimist

micro state? bring it on!

wynyardman



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Posts: 4580

Message Posted:
11/06/2009 14:10

Andre,



Assuming your Msg 32 was in response to mine 39. I was responding to mmmmm.



What I see that is new is the momentum and pressure being applied on the leaders, by the International community, also



alternatives to reunification, being voiced by Internationally respected experts.



If for no other reason this must be exerting enormous pressure on the leaders to find an amicable settlement.



It also goes some way to negating the constant negative flows from The GCs propoganda machine.



wyn

andre 514


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Message Posted:
11/06/2009 15:47

no wyn it wasn't particularly, but I agree with your comments about pressure for a deal



much of this is coming from the eu for a variety of reasons, not all of them honourable

as far as america is concerned, despite their highly vociferous greek/armenian lobby,

because neither cyprus nor greece are important in any real strategic sense

but turkey ticks all the boxes geo-politically, they must tread carefully on the issue

the un has islamic members and can therefore claim to be fairer than the all-christian eu



bitter experience with this and many other middle eastern disputes has shown

how difficult it is really is to knock heads together and produce an ageement that works

unless each side already want the same thing (eg camp david accords, northern ireland)



an alternative to the re-unification chimera is the partition of cyprus become permanent

perhaps the solution of first choice as far as north cyprus is concerned:

as the poet said "if it ain't broke don't fix it"

girne 29


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Posts: 1488

Message Posted:
11/06/2009 17:08

Dont understand the question.



Do you mean would you give up your property or pay compensation to a GC? Just not paying wont be an option.



Here is a point to ponder.



You live in an apartment block in Nicosia.Might also apply to one area of land with 8 villas.

2 owners are Turkish, 2 are TC,4 are EU citizens.

2 of the EU people want to pay compensation..2 EU's give the keys to relatives of the Turks and go back to EU.The 2 turks refuse to pay as do the 2 TC's.Also in the meantime the relatives have moved into the vacated apartments



What happens?if you are the only two out of eight to pay.

ilovecyprus


Joined: 08/05/2007
Posts: 2880

Message Posted:
11/06/2009 17:44

msge 34 and 35



two very good posts, which highlight how difficult it is going to be to make a deal workeable and long lasting. Remember proceedural justice as well as outcome justice. The means of arriving at a settlement, in other words the fair process (both sides considerations were fully considered) is just as important as the actual outcome itself.

david161


Joined: 25/09/2008
Posts: 34

Message Posted:
11/06/2009 19:39

Ive had many discussions in the past with gc friends who have told me they were compensated by the Greek government for their losses after 1974, which enabled them to start again. A point that seems to be forgotten in the discussion these days

TheSaints



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Message Posted:
11/06/2009 19:43

So if already compensated by thier own government for thier losses they are due nothing further......

wynyardman



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Message Posted:
11/06/2009 19:58

The Saints,



Guess I was right in the first place then!





wyn

TheSaints



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Message Posted:
11/06/2009 20:00

By gad sir you were let's celebrate the obvious with a glass or two of the Amber nectar at the earliest opportunity.



Saint

wynyardman



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Message Posted:
11/06/2009 20:05

The Saints,



You are on Sir, Its your round!



wynper

TheSaints



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Message Posted:
11/06/2009 20:07

Spoken like a true Wynyardman...

Will call you when we get back and will be happy to spring for the beverage..



Saint

wynyardman



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Message Posted:
11/06/2009 20:09

Oh when the Saints come marching in!



I, Sir, am at your disposal!



wynd.

harryroberts


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Message Posted:
11/06/2009 20:35

Ive had many discussions in the past with gc friends who have told me they were compensated by the Greek government for their losses after 1974, which enabled them to start again. A point that seems to be forgotten in the discussion these days



This is incorrect



if a greek owns land in the north he can apply for a loan against his land/property to the roc it is not compensation its a loan.



assistance is given with housing etc for familys of refugees this is not compensation.



think about why would we have this property issue if the greeks have been compensated

wynyardman



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Message Posted:
11/06/2009 21:10

harryroberts,



Had your hypothetical friends availed themselves of the services of The IPC, there would have been no loans or interest.



Exchange and therefore, full recompense!



Sounds fair to me. My views that is all.



wynge.

TheSaints



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Message Posted:
11/06/2009 21:14

"if a greek owns land in the north he can apply for a loan against his land/property to the roc it is not compensation its a loan"



He then builds on the land, sells the property knowing that the buyer will not get the title deeds and then gets a loan from the bank with the house he no longer owns and leaves the buyer in the lurch as the ROC government will do nothing about it..........

wynyardman



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Message Posted:
11/06/2009 21:19

Point of order Saints!



wynded.

harryroberts


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Message Posted:
12/06/2009 00:35

He then builds on the land, sells the property knowing that the buyer will not get the title deeds and then gets a loan from the bank with the house he no longer owns and leaves the buyer in the lurch as the ROC government will do nothing about it..........









your not making sense can you explain what bank

andre 514


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Message Posted:
12/06/2009 16:31

harry,



all interesting stuff about compensation but in the absence of any reunification deal

I can only imagine all this kind of talk is supposed to underline the claims of former occupiers

and also push expats in the direction of buying totally unsafe turkish title land no ptp likely

ilovekibris


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Posts: 394

Message Posted:
12/06/2009 17:04

andre wrote: "... totally unsafe turkish title land no ptp likely..."

A pretty unconvincing attempt at talking up worthless esdeger property. Which estate agent are you again?

andre 514


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Message Posted:
14/06/2009 21:59

Ilovemyfantasyversionofkibris, message 50





I was tempted to post the "very perceptive"



instead I will return to a theme of my own I have adopted recently:



you guys have a good and arguable case, but seem somehow desperate



hoping to change the border oops! sgreen line by pumelling '44 members



cannot succeed...



if you would care to engage in a constructive dialogue, fair enough,



but that is not what it is really all about is it?

mmmmmm



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Message Posted:
14/06/2009 22:19

Wyn re 31



I've covered the RoC dead farce in another thread- and pointed out that this has more to do with the STUPID way the handing out of deeds work in CY with new developments... it is purely wishful thinking that it has anything to do with the "north" .. it's nothing so "deep" ..



When new developments are completed - if there is one outstanding bill / mortgage / loan or some planning dot / t isn't crossed .. NO-ONE gets deeds.. I know of one development where an occupant built an outside - which goes up to the boundary of next door - the planning office want is knocked down .. the owner refused - so NO-ONE got deeds..



Of more interest are the Cypriots who built homes on TC land that are called refugees - and they can't raise capital against their homes as they are on TC land.. they can only transfer title to another refugee family it CAN'T be sold for a profit..

andre 514


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Message Posted:
14/06/2009 22:49

message 52 interesting background...



but whatever's happened to sporty the "builder from cornwall"

the bloke who sparked off this thread and said

"I...would be happy to pay compensation..." in a most unbuilderly display of generosity

or am I being uneccessarly cynical?



sporty oh sporty, where art thou?

sporty


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Message Posted:
14/06/2009 23:31

oh i'm still here andre,sister got married this weekend and i've been really busy.After reading all the posts,i still think i'm getting a bargain and as unbuilderly-like as it may seem i would still be happy to pay some sort of compensation at a later date if i needed to. I'm not sitting on the fence,i would be happy to pay something.Dont tar all builders with the same brush my friend.

wynyardman



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Message Posted:
14/06/2009 23:34

mmmmmm,



Thank you for your further iinformation in respect of The ROC deeds scandal. Fascinating! Estimated £4 Billion 30% Brits



Does it not strike you that The British Government are being very vociferous with The Government of The ROC demanding that the matter be addressed. There are also calls from Members of The House of Lords ,that Cypriot property sale exhibitions and shops be closed down. They are calling on The EC to intervene. They are furious at the proposals for a remedy proposed by The ROC.



now all this comes at the exact same time as Mr Christophias and Mr Talat are desperatley trying to find some sort of agreement

to The Cyprus Problem. Namely the property issues, wherin some 7000 British homes (largely bought in good faith) are

allegedly at risk.........from these self same money grabbing GCs.



Do you not feel that we are moving to some sort of trade off on Cyprus Property issues. I think I can smell a deal in the air!!



Just my thoughts, thats

mmmmmm



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Message Posted:
14/06/2009 23:46

Dear Wyn



re msg 55



I have ALWAYS been careful to point out that UK FO warnings apply to CYPRUS - not just the north - and when I was involved in the purchase of a place... I was involved in buying USED - not new and paid CASH to the Land Reg and got the deeds in 12 weeks.



I find there is a lot of commonality either side of the green line .. Some Cypriots amaze me with their trust.. and others their unwillingness to pay up and swindle.



Personally, I think the RoC will do the usual thing and blame the previous govt. This has dragged on for all the time I lived there - 4.5 of which were within the remit of the EU..



Now there's a recession..that will just make matters WORSE.. YES it's disgusting, and I can't BELIEVE the gullibility of some Foreign buyers - who used the same solicitors as the vendors..

andre 514


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Message Posted:
15/06/2009 02:09

sporty hi,



I must be the only person on '44 who suggested that compensation may be helpful all round

assuming there is ever an agreement along these lines...

to gain international recognition of your title as a result and see the value of the property

at least double is surely worth the five or six grand involved



but in message 28 above you doubt anything can ever be settled "amicably"

so may I assume nobody will ever pay compensation according to your own assessment?



in message 4 you thought the gc's voted no last time in hope of a better comp. package

but it looks as if the surrender of trnc territory is no longer on offer

at least as far as guzelyurt region is is concerned,

there are reports that tc's are pretty much united against giving away land this time around

while the longer the two parts of cyprus will have gone their separate ways,

the harder it will be for an objective observer to believe they will merge to be one country

andre 514


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Posts: 1163

Message Posted:
15/06/2009 15:11

nobody seems interested in doubling their capital

the butler


Joined: 22/06/2007
Posts: 1958

Message Posted:
15/06/2009 17:51

Hi andre514,



If our developer ever gives us our title deeds, we would be happy to pay a sensible amount of compensation to the original owners of the land. It is too rocky where we live for it ever to have been prime agricultural land but was probably used for goats. If we do not get our title deeds then we think it is up to the developer to pay or the government, whoever is prepared to do it. Our thoughts are that as this is exchange land, there must be some land in the south, it was exchanged with. As this is worth more, we would try and exchange this with the original owners for the land our property stands on. If you were a greek cypriot which would you choose?





The butlers wife

andre 514


Joined: 31/03/2008
Posts: 1163

Message Posted:
15/06/2009 20:25

tbw, take care



all sorts will pop out of the woodwork and remind you that even if it "corresponds" to somewhere south,



neither the original occupier nor the republic of "cyprus" were agreeable parties to the exchange process



it's unrecognised internationally and will not add to the value of an investment now built on goat-pasture



so if you are willing to pay compensation (very cheap at the price in my view, please see message 57)



you'd better wait until the much-heralded "compromise reunification deal" is agreed: it'll be a long wait!

cyprusairsoft



Joined: 22/06/2009
Posts: 2066

Message Posted:
22/06/2009 19:35

nonononononoononononono