Dog Registration - Stray dogs will be shot in Lapta

Pogle


Joined: 28/08/2008
Posts: 1536

Message Posted:
16/06/2009 11:57

Please register your dogs and keep them close to home over the next week. We were advised today when registering our dogs that all stray dogs will be shot if they cannot be accounted for.

Park_Lane


Joined: 20/04/2009
Posts: 132

Message Posted:
16/06/2009 13:26

Here we go again with these savages shooting dogs for a hobby ! As if it makes a difference to them with a collar on they will still shoot the poor things.

Thinker


Joined: 11/11/2008
Posts: 169

Message Posted:
16/06/2009 13:32

Oh this is really sad. I understand there is a problem but this solution seems a little harsh.

Sunnycee


Joined: 18/05/2009
Posts: 192

Message Posted:
16/06/2009 13:35

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s a dog lover and owner I find this really distressing! Is there no other option they could use?

Trudy


Joined: 25/05/2009
Posts: 369

Message Posted:
16/06/2009 13:48

i think this is horrible. It makes me sad just thinking about it. I wish i had the money to open up a huge centre for them to keep them off the streets and keep them safe but with all the stray dogs that there are, i would need a hell of a lot of cash!



There is no reason whatsoever to shoot them in my opinion. Getting them neutered is far more important, then not only can they no longer have more pups, they're lives do not have to be ended.



I know of a dog who looks owned, though i cant be sure as she is always hanging about the streets, that has clearly had pups twice a year for god knows how long. Who knows what happens to her pups but no one has ever seen them. If only someone would neuter her. KAR cant as she seems to be owned though obviously not looked after. Its so sad.

stavroscyprus


Joined: 30/05/2009
Posts: 78

Message Posted:
16/06/2009 14:14

this is the most sensible thing i have ever read on this forum and the idea should be extended across the whole island

louthlass


Joined: 09/11/2008
Posts: 271

Message Posted:
16/06/2009 14:18

They do shoot the dogs in the South.

phylray



Joined: 21/09/2007
Posts: 1727

Message Posted:
16/06/2009 14:45

They shot dogs on the University campus when I was there in 2000

They had been left behind by students who had them as puppies & then

left them to be cared for by others. It can be a big problem on an island

stray dogs, and at least it's better than leaving them to be poisoned.

sylvie


Joined: 12/03/2008
Posts: 1081

Message Posted:
16/06/2009 15:07

hi phyl,



i do agree with you - but ...... so many dogs are hanging around houses, garden, we had 6 dogs last summer ouside the house - after one female - couldn't come close to them - and in the public playground lots children do not beware -some of them are very nasty ! it might force the owner to look after their animals so many have collar neck and hang aroung on the srtreet - people have to be responsable - i love animals - the masters should be punish by a fine !

Middle Easter


Joined: 13/06/2007
Posts: 146

Message Posted:
16/06/2009 17:07

stavroscyprus - couldn't agree more



by the way do you look anything like bobby bal i.e. curly black hair & a thick 'tash?

parkview



Joined: 12/03/2009
Posts: 1123

Message Posted:
17/06/2009 15:45

I Live in Alsancak, how do you get a dog license for my dog.

maningi pusa


Joined: 07/09/2008
Posts: 120

Message Posted:
17/06/2009 16:17

Can't they extend it to cats also?

the butler


Joined: 22/06/2007
Posts: 1958

Message Posted:
17/06/2009 16:41

I am an animal lover but as they can't give these poor creatures a lethal injection, then I agree with Stavros and they should be rounded up and shot. They carry disease and cause accidents and until people stop putting these animals out on the streets to fend for themselves. Next to having a good and loving home, it is the next best thing for them.







The butlers wife

cyprusairsoft



Joined: 22/06/2009
Posts: 2066

Message Posted:
22/06/2009 19:27

whos the marksman going to do the shooting and just wait till a member of the public is hit by a stray round it could be you as you are walking around.



give more money to kar and get the dogs of the street or go and adopt one now and save it from a horrible death.



shoot the bloody burglars that would be more useful

nurseawful



Joined: 06/02/2009
Posts: 5934

Message Posted:
22/06/2009 19:42

The butlers wife

You have actually hit the nail on the head give these poor animals a lethal injection!!! For gods sake don't shoot them as you are only prolonging the agony.

Cyprusairsoft

We physically can't adopt any more, we have all done our utmost to help these dogs, and in all fairness most of us can NOT afford to give any more money to KAR or any other charity.

Mindy



Joined: 27/10/2008
Posts: 1210

Message Posted:
22/06/2009 19:55

Lapta Beledeye should impose fines on owners that let their dogs loose to roam. Also how about training on how to care for animals. I would like to see some individuals tethered and left in baking sun without water for a few hours and see if they think it pleasant because that is what happens too often here. Some are only interested in the dogs when they are puppies and all cute but it soon wears off. A lot of people here think it is wrong to spey and neuter animals so we will never stop this cycle.

westender


Joined: 14/05/2009
Posts: 328

Message Posted:
22/06/2009 19:58

I wish the authorities in TRNC would realise that a lethal injection is by far the best way to deal with these dogs. So many have died a horrible and lingering death in the past by being shot by inept marksmen and there have been cases of family pets actually being shot in their own gardens.

parkview



Joined: 12/03/2009
Posts: 1123

Message Posted:
22/06/2009 22:08

In answer to message 16, we had a stray dog come to us a year ago, I did not want a dog as I had a very small child but like most people on here relented when she would not leave after 2 weeks. We have had her injected and speyed but unfortunately we also have low walls around our villa, this means she jumps over the wall and runs after cars, we have tried everything to stop this but unless we pay approx 2,000GBP to have a higher wall put up we cannot stop her running out of the garden. We tie her up on a long lead at night but it would not be fair to do this all day. I don't know what the answer is, she has a street dog mentality, we feed her and love her but cannot stop her running around outside our house. Now would it have been better to have not taken her in and let her starve. I think so many brits take in dogs when they really didn't plan to and as we all know it does cost money that not everyone has. Our pockets are not endless pits unfortunately.

Mindy



Joined: 27/10/2008
Posts: 1210

Message Posted:
22/06/2009 22:26

we had 2 dogs in UK and had higher fencing put up just in case they jumped over. My friend has had wooden slats put up on top of her stone wall at a very cheap price. I understand the problem you have if the dog keeps escaping but it could be only a matter of time before an acccident occurs through dog chasing cars.

Coachie



Joined: 29/07/2008
Posts: 2135

Message Posted:
22/06/2009 22:43

It is rather sad that a dog has to be shot because some irresponsible human cannot be bothered to look after tham correctly. If these strays could be traced back to owned them and then send the owners to jail for a few months maybe that would help.If the owner does not change his ways,shoot him/her instead of the dog...

Lilli



Joined: 21/07/2008
Posts: 13081

Message Posted:
22/06/2009 23:07

HIYA Coachie if only it was that simple. I agree with parkview. The 4 I have adopted as much as I love the I have become paranoid. They jump the walls and have been threated to be shot. I lock us all in now when Im home. The love has turned into a nightmare. I never ever had any probs in Edermit only Lapta. Who will take any of them from me. Nobody cos you can pick them up of the street.Its stopped me now from looking after anymore as I dont want thier deaths on my hands. It breaks my heart so much xxx Sorry I missed you xx

stellasstar1



Joined: 02/07/2008
Posts: 1519

Message Posted:
23/06/2009 08:53

It is so upsetting seeing all these strays and we try to help, but sometimes we just end up giving ourselves more heartache, as Lilli says. One of my Cypriot next door neighbours had a dog tied up 24 hours a day as he was away all day. She was a lovely boxer so I said could I have her down in my garden during the day. I am in an old Cypriot house, with huge garden, with a side path next to a ravine, and which leads into a couple of other people's gardens, with access to another couple of gardens. There is no way it could all be fenced in. Luckily we have a very long drive, so at first she was content to stay with me in the garden or wander down to the other gardens/ Then of course she went the wrong way and started going on the road. I had to make a decision about putting her being tied up all day or loose to occassionally go out on the road. We are up on the mountainside so was quieter. I let her stay loose,and then I worried !. Her owner moved and found her a new home.

Tinkie


Joined: 16/03/2009
Posts: 1256

Message Posted:
23/06/2009 09:22

Parkview we have the same problem, we took in a stray 3 years ago and although she was only about a year old when we took her in she is a stray through and through. She comes in to the house at night, because the alternative is that she sits in the road and barks all night long. People were complaining about her so for a while we tried several things to keep her in the back garden, but she always managed to get out, almost hanging heself on her long chain one time. She is small enough to get to get through our gates and has managed to climb over chicken wire which was put up by our neighbours to stop her getting through their gate. At the beginning of last year someone put a tin of poisoned luncheon meat right outside our house and early the next morning she squeezed through the gate and ate some of it, fortunately I saw her do it and we rushed her straight to Firdez, who managed to save her. What are we to do?, Will she be shot when she is out on one of her solo trips?

DutchCrusader



Joined: 19/05/2008
Posts: 11281

Message Posted:
23/06/2009 10:04

The regular TRNC solution of "the old problem of the stray dogs": threaten to shoot a couple of stray dogs.



Followed by the usual expat solution of the problem: discussion on a bulletin board - like xx times before - that shooting stray dogs is cruel, savage, inhumane etc etc. Problem solved until the next discussion.



P.S. Usual part of the expat solution: don't forget to blame KAR for not taking in the rest of the stray dogs.



I have two dogs (one imported from Holland and one taken in as a stray puppy) and still I vote for the only working, realistic solution: kill (shoot, injection) all stray dogs.



You may disagree, of course, but what then is your WORKING, REALISTIC solution? I haven't read them in the postings in this thread yet.



* I'm prepared for the usual abuse and name calling.

Tinkie


Joined: 16/03/2009
Posts: 1256

Message Posted:
23/06/2009 10:15

Dutch Crusader,



Im not going to name call, you are right in that we need an effective solution to the stray problem, but personally I dont think that shooting a dog in the street is the way to go...my parents witnessed a dog shooting last year and believe me it wasnt the nice instant death that people would like to believe it to be.



A huge part of the stray problem is caused by hunting dogs dumped at the end of the season, in my view I think that anyone who uses dogs for hunting should be made to produce the dog that they have a licence for at several intervals during the year, surely there could be tighter regulations controlling the licences that are issued for those dogs, so that a hunter cant have a new dog every hunting season...I dont know its just a thought, Im sure it will be poo poo'd on here but why are the hunters not made more accountable for there dogs at the end of the season. My husband hunts every year and he uses the same 2 dogs who are both coming up for 5...

Trudy


Joined: 25/05/2009
Posts: 369

Message Posted:
23/06/2009 10:18

Hi Dutch



I believe that it IS cruel to shoot a dog. The dogs haven't really done anything wrong and in some cases i believe the owners should be shot for not looking after their dogs properly, letting them breed like rabbits and then wanting nothing to do with the puppies. I have seen it happen and know it does happen.



With regards to the lethal injection, and it hurts me to say this, but i suppose in some cases it should be done. There is no chance that the dog is going to die in pain or bleed to death should the shooter catch him on his leg.



I just wish people would be more responsible with their animals. If you dont want your dog to have puppies, get her neutered and likewise for male dogs. That being, i dont think ALL stray dogs should be shot. I know many who live near offices, restaurants or shops, are fed daily, have had their jags and well loved. There would be no reason in killing them.



Street dogs are alwyas so happy little things, its such a shame.

Tinkie


Joined: 16/03/2009
Posts: 1256

Message Posted:
23/06/2009 10:20

cont...



years old and they are well looked after all year round, ready for the next hunting season. He would certainly never dream of dumping them in the middle of no where at the end of the season so that he doesnt have the bother of feeding and lookig after them until the next season begins.



Just a thought...I am not going to bash KAR, they do what they can and whats the point of suggesting government funding for kennels etc....we all know thats not going to happen any time soon.

DutchCrusader



Joined: 19/05/2008
Posts: 11281

Message Posted:
23/06/2009 10:30

RE msg 25, Tinkie: You're right (second part of your posting), but I'm afraid political parties in TRNC are not impressed even when all the expats would ask for a law or tighter regulations (and probably more important: the implementation...). The request or a campaign should come from TC's. And we all know the strength of the hunting lobby in TRNC - and we all know that many TC's have a very different view on the problem than most of the expats. So I'm not optimistic.



The first part of your post: I agree, I also hate to see dogs shot. In Western Europe they often use special rifles to immobilise stray dogs (and other animals) and then "put them to sleep". Why don't we all ask the local government to use such rifles? If they are to expensive for a Belediye we all could pay some money to buy a couple.



Does anyone have better ideas for a WORKING, REALISTIC solution of "the stray dog problem"?

DutchCrusader



Joined: 19/05/2008
Posts: 11281

Message Posted:
23/06/2009 10:42

RE msg 26, Trudy > That being, i dont think ALL stray dogs should be shot. I know many who live near offices, restaurants or shops, are fed daily, have had their jags and well loved. There would be no reason in killing them. <



=> Trudy, dogs were domesticated in the past x-thousand years. Domesticated animals should not be allowed to roam the streets of towns and cities, around houses and villas etc. In packs or solitary. They should not be dependent on some (usually very wrong) food given now and then by some nice people. They should be cared for in the right way: a home, the food they need and medical care. So, in my opinion, the start of solving the problem: be realistic, ALL stray dogs off the streets, wherever. And the sooner the better.

Trudy


Joined: 25/05/2009
Posts: 369

Message Posted:
23/06/2009 10:45

Dutch, there aren't really many working realistic solutions are there. I mean, unless someone comes over with a few million quid, opens up a massive kennel type place, a place where stray dogs can be taken, looked after and fed then the only way is to have them put to sleep. If there wasn't the problem of the poor dogs getting run over by cars or starving to death then leave them be i say. They dont really do much harm. I have never come across an aggressive stray dog. But there is nothing worse than driving past a poor dog which has been run over and just left there.

KAR can only do so much. They can give the dogs their injections but they are not big enough, so they have to release them. And, i know of dogs, one in partucular, who is owned but is left to run riot and she gets pregnant as many times as a dog can in a year. No one has seen her pups so who knows what happens to them but im presuming they arent looked after. KAR cant take her though, as she's 'owned'

DutchCrusader



Joined: 19/05/2008
Posts: 11281

Message Posted:
23/06/2009 10:51

RE msg 30, Trudy > unless someone comes over with a few million quid, opens up a massive kennel type place, a place where stray dogs can be taken, looked after and fed <



=> Nice but not realistic. (and IF such a kennel could be started: it would grow and grow and grow... and then what?). So let's forget it.



> then the only way is to have them put to sleep <



=> We agree. Preferably in a decent way. But this is not Western Europe so we have to accept the way our hosts will or can handle the problem. If they ever will...

Trudy


Joined: 25/05/2009
Posts: 369

Message Posted:
23/06/2009 10:53

Sorry, posted before i saw your reply to me...



I agree in the sense that a dog should be in a home, medical care etc... but i DO know of dogs who are looked after by offices and get fed daily and some who have even had kennels built for them, they have had injections, been neutered and have collars on. Its not ideal i know, but i dont understand why a dog who is in that situation should be killed? Maybe im just naive.



In reality, deep down, i know the majority of dogs should be shot, in some circumstances it probably is the most humane thing to do but its just breaks my heart to say it. But lets say all the dogs get put down, no more stray dogs. How long before this problem arises again? If some owners arent willing to neuter their dogs and obviously KAR can only do what they can do, they cant possibly locate and catch EVERY street dog in Kyrenia to neuter them, then this problem is going to happen time and time again.



I honestly dont know how the problem can be solved

DutchCrusader



Joined: 19/05/2008
Posts: 11281

Message Posted:
23/06/2009 10:57

RE msg 32, Trudy > But lets say all the dogs get put down, no more stray dogs. How long before this problem arises again? <



=> Let the (local) government first solve the current problem.

Coachie



Joined: 29/07/2008
Posts: 2135

Message Posted:
23/06/2009 14:52

Have any of you watched a programme called "The Dog Whisperer" Brilliant show about Mexican/American guy who teaches HUMANS how to Control their dogs behaviour.He maintains that most dog problems are caused by humans treating their dogs like humans instead of treating them like dogs.One of the things he always says is to have your dogs neutered as soon as possible,this makes the animal less agressive and keeps the population of dogs down.Some of the situations that I have seen that guy go into and within minutes he has solved the problem is amazing.His phylosophy is that because dogs are basically a pack animal ,you have to become the pack leader. Should you get the opportunity to watch the show do so.