Harlequin


Joined: 02/10/2008
Posts: 346

Message Posted:
17/06/2009 20:00

The issues with regards to the recent events at Sunny Lane have not even begun to be addressedc on this bulletin board. To shut the thread on that pretext is just rediculous.



The goings on at the school are of paramount importance to the children and the parents and should be aired.

Harlequin


Joined: 02/10/2008
Posts: 346

Message Posted:
17/06/2009 20:02

If there are any matters which are more important than the education of our children and the behavior and treatment of staff by the management at Sunny Lane I would be grateful if someone would let me know.

Littlenige



Joined: 24/12/2006
Posts: 3594

Message Posted:
17/06/2009 20:07

why is any one surprised unwins advertise on here and no criticism can be tolerated.





WAKE UP PEOPLE.

Harlequin


Joined: 02/10/2008
Posts: 346

Message Posted:
17/06/2009 20:09

Oh come on littlenige! It is not possible that just because they advertise on here that they can influence the actions of the moderators.

ilovekibris


Joined: 18/05/2009
Posts: 394

Message Posted:
17/06/2009 20:10

Of course, we are not allowed to speculate publicly about why AlsancakJack closed the thread claiming "the subject had been addressed".

But I'm sure some of the parents among us have our own ideas...

Littlenige



Joined: 24/12/2006
Posts: 3594

Message Posted:
17/06/2009 20:16

Harlequin are you a betting person ??



I would wager a rather large wedge that no adverse posts would be allowed on any adverise on any commercial forum. not just this one.

Hayran


Joined: 12/03/2009
Posts: 74

Message Posted:
17/06/2009 20:16

Harlequin, I must respond by clearly reassuring you that the children's education is and always will be at the forefront of our mind, which is why Sunny Lane was set up in the first place and why we will not allow a small minority to jeapordise our school.

The resignations and departures of these teachers, 3 days before the end of the academic year, does not affect the education of the children at Sunny Lane. All posts have now been filled with a fresh, enthusiastic and positive team of fully qualified teachers.

If you do not wish to meet with me personally to answers your questions, then why not ask to meet a member of staff who is still in employment and currently teaching your children?

donga


Joined: 01/04/2009
Posts: 272

Message Posted:
17/06/2009 20:17

Maybe we should have a parents only meeting so we can all share what we know & then when we are all up to speed we can make decisions about our children future.



Do I want to keep spending £3k a year at SLS after reading all these things on here ??





message 3, nigel - didn't realise that - very good point

Blackpoolfan


Joined: 03/12/2008
Posts: 1568

Message Posted:
17/06/2009 20:21

Just my opinion but what do you expect to achieve in terms of the sunny lane saga on this forum. I bet after a few posts it will be back to nasty slanderous remarks at Unwins it will do nothing to help the cause. Is their no legal avenue you could explore? i take it the TRNC do not have a body similar to Offsted. I agree the inconsistency in closing threads is very evident and its unfair that you are not allowed to express opinion or fact on these threads. I hope all those affected can bring this to a satisfactory conclusion Good Luck.............

Hayran


Joined: 12/03/2009
Posts: 74

Message Posted:
17/06/2009 20:23

Donga, maybe a Parent only meeting would be beneficial to some. I would therefore propose that you meet with the School Directors/Management team first and then you will have all your information and facts to hand to ensure a productive and balanced meeting.

Anthony


Joined: 26/01/2009
Posts: 87

Message Posted:
17/06/2009 20:23

I think that perhaps it is not unreasonable at this point for me to post what I have been told, supposedly from a very well informed source.



The teachers who had given their notice and were leaving at the end of the academic year would in effect be leaving at the end of this term but be entitled to a further three months salary to take them to the end of the academic year under the terms of their contract. They were informed yesterday that they would not be paid the last three months of their contract. They naturally feel hard done by as they were depending on being paid in full for their contract. Their view is that they have been paid for just nine months of a years work.



If this is incorrect I would be happy for Hayram to state the facts of the case.



Some may think that this is no business of the parents. It is. It is important for parents to understand what sort of people are in control of their children's education.

Hayran


Joined: 12/03/2009
Posts: 74

Message Posted:
17/06/2009 20:30

I can confirm that no Teacher had or has a contract with us stating that when they leave our employment that they are entitled to a further 3 months pay. If anyone claims to have such a contract then please ask to see it. When you resign from your employment and work out your notice you cannot still expect to be paid once you have left that employment as your contract at that time is no longer valid.

A question to Parents of students who are graduating from our school on Friday...would you expect to still pay school fees after your child has left our School?

donga


Joined: 01/04/2009
Posts: 272

Message Posted:
17/06/2009 20:35

Anthony, This is exactly what I heard too & I mentioned it on the closed thread ( teachers being pushed to save a few quid). My child was quite upset seeing the teachers upset about this.





Had a letter today saying the secondary kids not to go in tomorrow - will I get a refund for the day ??

Anthony


Joined: 26/01/2009
Posts: 87

Message Posted:
17/06/2009 20:35

Hayram



That evades the issue. Contracts for teachers are usualy for an academic year and teachers who teach for three thems are normally entitled to be paid for the academic year even though they are paid monthly in twelve instalments.



Were the contracts for an academic year?



Would I expect to pay more. Of course not but I would expect to get deposits back without all the grief you dish out. You use any idiotic excuse to avaid paying out. How many parents would you like to give you instances of this? Shall we open a special thread to deal with this issue? I don't think you would like that.

Anthony


Joined: 26/01/2009
Posts: 87

Message Posted:
17/06/2009 20:37

Children not going in tomorrow! I would like a refund for that day.



Hayram, when can I collect? Cash only please!

donga


Joined: 01/04/2009
Posts: 272

Message Posted:
17/06/2009 20:39

Hayran,



Please tell us exactly why they were made to leave early & not allowed back onto the premises

Anthony


Joined: 26/01/2009
Posts: 87

Message Posted:
17/06/2009 20:41

Because they were making a fuss about being cheated out of three month pay.

Hayran


Joined: 12/03/2009
Posts: 74

Message Posted:
17/06/2009 20:43

Anthony - Contracts are for all the time they are in employment. The contracts are not renewed every academic year, therefore, they are not 12 month contracts but continuous one's.

Not sure why you have brought up the random subject of deposits. You are clearly agitated about an issue, please state what grief, as you call it, we have dished out?

Hayran


Joined: 12/03/2009
Posts: 74

Message Posted:
17/06/2009 20:48

I do not think it is right to discuss situations between private individuals and their employers on a public forum in this manner. I am not avoiding any questions, therefore, I again request that parents make an appointment with me when I will openly disclose all relevant information.

I am somewhat surprised that people who are showing genuine concern are not taking up this option.

Anthony


Joined: 26/01/2009
Posts: 87

Message Posted:
17/06/2009 20:52

hayram



Are you saying that theachers who teach for the full three terms are not entitled to be paid for a full academic year.



If you are saying that a teacher who starts in September and teaches three terms is not entitled to a years pay then perhaps you need to make this clear at the stat of the period to new teachers.



The subject of deposits is not a random subject but just another example of your laughable attempts to avoid paying people which is properly their due. You are right though, lets stick to the more important issue of paying teachers their due.

Anthony


Joined: 26/01/2009
Posts: 87

Message Posted:
17/06/2009 20:54

Hayram



Get a grip, answer the question. You understand it.

Hayran


Joined: 12/03/2009
Posts: 74

Message Posted:
17/06/2009 20:58

Anthony you are obviously very upset about something and your postings are not making sense. Please give me your phone number and I will contact you tomorrow morning to arrange a meeting.

Anthony


Joined: 26/01/2009
Posts: 87

Message Posted:
17/06/2009 21:00

I am making sense and that is you problem.



The question is. If a teacher joins you and contracts to teach for the academic year are they entitled to a years pay?

Littlenige



Joined: 24/12/2006
Posts: 3594

Message Posted:
17/06/2009 21:07

Blackpoolfan i agree this is one forum where debatew goes into a slanging match and is not right.



When has any one ever received money back from unwins in any circumstances ??



I know people who bought their old school house off them WELL STITCHED UP !!

Hayran


Joined: 12/03/2009
Posts: 74

Message Posted:
17/06/2009 21:09

Have you worked an academic year then?

Anthony


Joined: 26/01/2009
Posts: 87

Message Posted:
17/06/2009 21:09

Far from it. There has so far been a reasoned debate. All we need now is the answer to a very simple question.

Hayran


Joined: 12/03/2009
Posts: 74

Message Posted:
17/06/2009 21:10

Littlenige - the old School house was not owned by us. We rented that property for one year.

Anthony


Joined: 26/01/2009
Posts: 87

Message Posted:
17/06/2009 21:11

Hayran







The question is. If a teacher joins you and contracts to teach for the academic year are they entitled to a years pay?

Hayran


Joined: 12/03/2009
Posts: 74

Message Posted:
17/06/2009 21:15

Paul....oh sorry Anthony, you know the answer.



I WILL NO LONGER BE REPLYING TO ANY FURTHER POSTINGS ON THIS THREAD AS THE QUESTIONS AND ACCUSATIONS BEING MADE ARE POINTLESS AND SERVE NO PURPOSE.

Anthony


Joined: 26/01/2009
Posts: 87

Message Posted:
17/06/2009 21:19

That's clear enough then.



The question is effectively answered. Any teachers who plan to join Sunny Lane in the future must assume that if they leave at the end of the last term in the academic year they will be paid three months short.

maddog


Joined: 04/07/2008
Posts: 87

Message Posted:
17/06/2009 21:22

u been done mate,nothing new for the unwins

AlsancakJack



Joined: 14/08/2008
Posts: 5762

Message Posted:
17/06/2009 21:23

What is the matter with you all, Hayran has offered to meet everyone of you to discuss your concerns so why are you not doing this?

maddog


Joined: 04/07/2008
Posts: 87

Message Posted:
17/06/2009 21:27

have u tried Alsancakjak? if not dont comment please

Anthony


Joined: 26/01/2009
Posts: 87

Message Posted:
17/06/2009 21:29

Alsancakjack



You obviously have no experience of dealing with these people.

maddog


Joined: 04/07/2008
Posts: 87

Message Posted:
17/06/2009 21:33

Anthony,i was a teacher once,nooooooooooooo more

natalie


Joined: 03/05/2009
Posts: 323

Message Posted:
17/06/2009 21:35

Hayran as a supposedly professional person, what was witnessed at your school was both disgusting and frightening for the pupils that attend. My grandson attends your school and I do now have serious issues. I do not know you nor do I want too, suffice to say that what went on, was totally unprofessional and whatever gripes you had with your teachers, did not warrent this kind of 'frightening' public display. Don't hide behind your screne, come clean. Has Sunny Lane a future or has it not? Perhaps not selling enough properties to make it a viable tax break anymore?

AlsancakJack



Joined: 14/08/2008
Posts: 5762

Message Posted:
17/06/2009 21:38

All I know is that I don't know any of the posters on this thread from Adam and I guess a lot of other posters are the same. You have all been offered a meeting to discuss your concerns so why do you not do this. Just a simple question and some of you are skirting around the issue

'have u tried Alsancakjak? if not dont comment please'

I have never dealt with Unwins or with any of there staff but you have not answered my question.



'You obviously have no experience of dealing with these people'

Correct but you still have not answered my question.



Two answers that skirt around the issue.



Just do it and then report back with your findings.

AndyP



Joined: 18/04/2008
Posts: 517

Message Posted:
17/06/2009 21:42

As mentioned in MSG 19, I do not think this thread should go any further as Hayran will not discuss any further on this forum.



To quote Hayran again "I do not think it is right to discuss situations between private individuals and their employers on a public forum in this manner. I am not avoiding any questions, therefore, I again request that parents make an appointment with me when I will openly disclose all relevant information. "



I agree with statement and I am now closing the thread.



PS... Closing this thread has nothing to do with advertising revenue

Anthony


Joined: 26/01/2009
Posts: 87

Message Posted:
17/06/2009 21:43

What a joke!

AndyP



Joined: 18/04/2008
Posts: 517

Message Posted:
17/06/2009 21:43

This thread is now closed. Reason: Thread was addressed and no need for further posts.

stickle


Joined: 20/02/2008
Posts: 172

Message Posted:
17/06/2009 21:43

Moderator:someone who makes certain that a formal discussion happens without problems and follows the rules

AlsancakJack



Joined: 14/08/2008
Posts: 5762

Message Posted:
17/06/2009 21:45

Nige



'Blackpoolfan i agree this is one forum where debatew goes into a slanging match and is not right.'



Exactly why I closed the last thread and not because Unwins advertise on here by the way.

elko2



Joined: 24/07/2007
Posts: 4400

Message Posted:
17/06/2009 21:46

I think now I can see better both sides of the story.



Teachers normally teach from September to June in three terms with short holidays between the terms. Of course all holidays are paid for and everybody including teachers and students get a rest. However the teachers can be called to school for duty under various circumstances. The big summer recess allows time for teachers to prepare themselves for the next academic year. This may be in the form of some research, travel, reading etc. However this does not mean that the teachers are officially on holiday for the whole of three months. Indeed at the university in Famagusta, the teaching staff have just one month official holiday and they have to be at the university for the rest of their time for various duties. Some are asked to give summer summer courses and they are paid some bonussus for that but not a salary since they are supposed to be at the university in any case.



My conclusion from the above explanation is that if teachers resign with effect in June, they cannot expect to get paid beyond that time. However if they tender their resignation to be effective by say 31st August, then they must be ready to carry out some duties given to them except for the holiday of say 4 weeks or whatever is in their contract and failing that whatever is stipulted in the labour laws.

ismet