Buying from Sevilla builders

Denise1947


Joined: 03/07/2009
Posts: 34

Message Posted:
14/07/2009 16:14

Hi planning to buy from the above builder - can anybody recommend them ?

hydrobrush


Joined: 18/06/2009
Posts: 40

Message Posted:
14/07/2009 16:29

Ask them about Tatlisu project now into 3 years overdue better still take a look yourself, or better still ask those who are on site,ask them about the quality and the problems they are experiencing.



Good luck

Aga Buyers A G


Joined: 04/10/2007
Posts: 488

Message Posted:
14/07/2009 16:31

Don't buy any property or land, rent until there are legal safeguards in place for foreign investors and also not until the TRNC lawyers enforce any judgements against developers, which to date they haven't and the one they have has resulted in the Sun Villas fiasco



So at the moment best not buy - rent



http://www.freewebs.com/trncpropertywarning/





xxxxx|

ABAG

icona


Joined: 02/06/2009
Posts: 36

Message Posted:
14/07/2009 16:53

Above average builders let them selves down big time on the finishing just like the rest once they have your money good luck

yorgozlu



Joined: 16/06/2009
Posts: 4437

Message Posted:
14/07/2009 17:08

try KOFALI CONSTRACTION.One of the safest on the island.They buy,have the deeds in their name and then built

And I have no relations with them other then buying my house from them

They have a complex of 26 villas being built in seaside end karsiyaka at the moment,all with pools

They rate their pride and they rate their reputation

ONE OF VERY FEW GOOD OLD CYPRIOTS LEFT ON THE ISLAND

paddypony


Joined: 14/07/2009
Posts: 75

Message Posted:
14/07/2009 17:22

we are currently buying an off plan property and just completed second stage payments - so far so good!

paddypony


Joined: 14/07/2009
Posts: 75

Message Posted:
14/07/2009 17:22

Hi,

We are buyng a property , off plan from Sevilla also. We have just completed second stage payment and looking to complete next March. So far - so good for us, hope its the same for you too (you may be next door?)

Denise1947


Joined: 03/07/2009
Posts: 34

Message Posted:
14/07/2009 17:34

hi

Buying a Golf Villa @ Esentepe and an Elegance @ Catalkoy

Hector


Joined: 26/08/2008
Posts: 2352

Message Posted:
14/07/2009 17:38

Denise1947

What research have you done other that asking a question on this forum? If you do your homework on this site if nowhere else, I would think you would soon be extremely cautious about buying one property let alone two.

paddypony


Joined: 14/07/2009
Posts: 75

Message Posted:
14/07/2009 17:48

Hi Denise,

We are also buying Elegance in Catalkoy

Denise1947


Joined: 03/07/2009
Posts: 34

Message Posted:
14/07/2009 17:48

Have been coming over to N Cyprusregulary for about 4 years and have various friends and business colleagues who live there or have 2nd properties. Sold up in France and Spain and have done a lot of homework regarding the property issues and spoken to legal this side and TRNC but on reflection I love the area and I think we have to be optimistic and show support for the North. It is just the builder that I cant find a lot about but I like the properties . No pockets in shrouds !

the butler


Joined: 22/06/2007
Posts: 1958

Message Posted:
14/07/2009 18:06

Hi Denise1947,



Every time I go over to Cyprus, I drive down and take a look at the Sevilla site at Tatlisu. I feel so sorry for these poor people. We thank our lucky stars we did not buy there and bought further up the coast. All builders will tell you what you want to know, it is only when they don't finish the site, that you realise that you have paid your money and haven't got the goods. Take the advice on this board and either buy a resale with deeds in place, or rent. Because that is the only sure way of getting value for money.





The butlers wife

Hector


Joined: 26/08/2008
Posts: 2352

Message Posted:
14/07/2009 18:29

Denise1947

Have you already bought the properties?

Bradus


Joined: 25/02/2007
Posts: 2641

Message Posted:
14/07/2009 18:35

I agree with everything Butler said. Just go back through all the old posts relating to unfinished property and you will identify several posters who have sadly experienced this situation. It is common practice in the TRNC.



I was one of the lucky ones but no amount of doing your homework can prevent this from happening. The legal system gives you no protection. Generally the builders will start and get as much money as is possible in stage payments 1 & 2 then when the real expense kicks in for the builder in stage 3 (bathrooms, kitchens, electrics, water supply etc) all work stops. Its no longer financially viable for the builder to continue. He has maximum profit so why bother dipping into it?



Don't buy off plan & if you do not take this advice at least agree on stage payments where the least amount of money is paid in the initial stages and hold back the majority of your cash for the final stages.Even then you have no guarantee the builder will complete. Bankruptcy is also com

Aga Buyers A G


Joined: 04/10/2007
Posts: 488

Message Posted:
14/07/2009 18:41

well said Bradus



and dont pay your lawyer in advance, pay as you go along and request an invoice for what has been carried out and a detailed itemised receipt - mind you this still wont help really, but it may save ya alot of money when it goes wrong - which in many cases it does



Hence our protest !



ABAG

xxxxxx

tracy


Joined: 08/09/2007
Posts: 390

Message Posted:
14/07/2009 18:47

Hi Denise I too have bought one of the golf villas,.

We are behind on schedule but so are most things there, we are very happy with everthing especially the quality of the work.

Regards Tracy

Bradus


Joined: 25/02/2007
Posts: 2641

Message Posted:
14/07/2009 19:09

DENISE 1947



Use the Google search bar at the top of the page and type in Sevilla Villas, Tatlisu and read the comments from other house purchasers. It does not make for good reading.



Only take recommendations from people who are in their homes. Reality only hits when you re experiencing the problems first hand. How can people make an informed comment when they are not even living in the house and seen its completion through to the bitter end.



Good Luck

Aga Buyers A G


Joined: 04/10/2007
Posts: 488

Message Posted:
14/07/2009 19:11

Bradus



you forget the bit about Kocans...or....lack of one cos of...............whatever excuse they can come up with......:0)

negativenick


Joined: 10/11/2008
Posts: 6023

Message Posted:
14/07/2009 19:18

mess 3 - sound advice, you'd be a fool to ignore it.....

Bradus


Joined: 25/02/2007
Posts: 2641

Message Posted:
14/07/2009 19:21

Surely everyone knows about this already? If potential buyers don't, then they sure need to do more research. As for PTP lets not go there!!!

madturk


Joined: 25/03/2009
Posts: 217

Message Posted:
14/07/2009 19:39

denise what one of sevilla sites are you buying from. golf site there will be no problems on this site.

only might take a bit longer than stated

Aga Buyers A G


Joined: 04/10/2007
Posts: 488

Message Posted:
14/07/2009 19:49

You may end up on the Road To Hell



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AWVlAF4Dnb8



as kindly mentioned in Saturday's Cyprus Today.......:0)



ABAG

xxxxxx

cronos


Joined: 26/10/2008
Posts: 2093

Message Posted:
14/07/2009 20:02

Madturk...msg 22...."golf site there will be no problems on this site.



only might take a bit longer than stated "



I don't know whether you work for Sevilla or are associated with them , but how can you make this sweeping statement?

KatyMcM


Joined: 12/07/2009
Posts: 46

Message Posted:
14/07/2009 20:28

- Don't trust anyone - regardless of what they say! - Builders tell you what you want to hear - Advocates screw you up in legal jargon which means nothing in the long run.

- My relatives house is finished ready to put the furniture in, Paid all payments due and a bit extra on request.

- Paid £4500 (£27,000 in total) for electric transformer - no electric and no transformer - have to pay again.

- No roads

- No Gas

- No Water

Builder says he has not money to finish - Advocates abdicate responsibility - pay us more and we will chase builder - no guarantees - pay us more - again - again - again

madturk


Joined: 25/03/2009
Posts: 217

Message Posted:
14/07/2009 20:29

cronos, trust me . this is a safe site to buy on

Aga Buyers A G


Joined: 04/10/2007
Posts: 488

Message Posted:
14/07/2009 20:31

trust me I am a reputable builder with a hand full of kojans - NOT !

blinky



Joined: 07/12/2008
Posts: 187

Message Posted:
14/07/2009 20:32

Denise & Paddy



i have purchased @ ellegance in Catalkoy as well!!

we have two final payments to make, we have had no problem with Sinan to date, he seems to sort out our problems within days!!!



we have2 final payments to make, however i am due to go over as i think the roads etc should be starting to take shape by now, i am only a little worried as web site is shows stage payments as from what stage its at, he is asking for payments even though windows not fited etc....

we have also paid for a pool, our finalpayment (15K i think) will have to cover pool, finishing off, snagging, perimeter walls, road, electrical & water etc....

they always get back to my wife within hours of her sending e-mails with questions etc



will have to wait and see... proof will be in the puddin sort of speak!!!

Aga Buyers A G


Joined: 04/10/2007
Posts: 488

Message Posted:
14/07/2009 20:32

and I make great chocolate fireguards !

blinky



Joined: 07/12/2008
Posts: 187

Message Posted:
14/07/2009 20:35

thats nice AGA

cronos


Joined: 26/10/2008
Posts: 2093

Message Posted:
14/07/2009 20:42

Madturk.....you haven't answered my question.



Why should I trust you?.....I don't even know you !



TRNC is full of smiling con artists telling you what you want to hear.

I'm sure they smile even more knowing full well that they can fleece people with impunity and will not face any meaningful legal consequences.

Aga Buyers A G


Joined: 04/10/2007
Posts: 488

Message Posted:
14/07/2009 20:55

cronus



how right you are and the more people that know the better, There are too many properties being build on mortgaged land, double/triple sold, shoddily built and the list goes on..........and on......



and as for the non existent legal system...........unless you are a con - which is why so many reside there



xxxxxxx

KatyMcM


Joined: 12/07/2009
Posts: 46

Message Posted:
14/07/2009 20:57

this is a statement from Marian Stokes from the Home Buyers Pressure Group - I suggest you contact her and discuss the pros and cons with her. She has a surgery at the Pia Bella on Tuesdays (not sure of the time) but you can contact her via email for phone - details are on the homebuyers pressure group webside.



Marian says:



“Don’t trust that anyone is working in your best interests, particularly the lawyers. If in doubt about anything contact the HBPG for free independent advice.”

Good advice indeed!

Lilli



Joined: 21/07/2008
Posts: 13081

Message Posted:
14/07/2009 20:59

Every Time they will help you. Do not get sucked in xxxx

madturk


Joined: 25/03/2009
Posts: 217

Message Posted:
14/07/2009 21:06

cronos are you thiking of buying a golf property then

cronos


Joined: 26/10/2008
Posts: 2093

Message Posted:
14/07/2009 21:09

Madturk......your flippant sarcasm does nothing to boost the groundless credibility that you give to this site.

Sinan5


Joined: 02/01/2009
Posts: 27

Message Posted:
14/07/2009 21:25

Hi we have been waiting for 4 years to move into our villa at the tatlisu site and the same for the pool to be done which has been paid for years ago. Promises to get the roads and pavements go and come and go again. I would never buy off plan again it takes too long and nothing in your control no matter how well you get on with Sinan and the office. All our money has gone to fund the Golf villas and theirs to fund the Elegance site. So brace yourself for a long long wait if you go for the off plan route.

The last four years of time off from work to spend time nagging the Sevilla office to get things done, I wanted to a relaxing retreat instead all I get is hassle.



Good luck, make your sure you shop around before committing.

blinky



Joined: 07/12/2008
Posts: 187

Message Posted:
14/07/2009 21:36

looks like i am going to be on a bumpy ride then...., you lot have ben there and wear the t-shirt!!!

i thik i should have followed my head instead of my heart!!!

i know a lot of member's will now say 'i told you so' but surely the biuilder's cant gt away with this!!!

cronos


Joined: 26/10/2008
Posts: 2093

Message Posted:
14/07/2009 21:53

Dave (Blinky)......hopefully most people won't gloat and say "told you so" or kick you when you are down.



I sincerely hope that everything works out well in your case,but this Forum should serve as a reality check for people still wondering whether to take the jump into the TRNC property shark pool.

madturk


Joined: 25/03/2009
Posts: 217

Message Posted:
14/07/2009 22:00

blinky, be positive. try not to worry too much.

i have done bussiness with them, they are nice people. they have no intentions to con you.

to many scarmongers on this site, (and good ones)

paddypony


Joined: 14/07/2009
Posts: 75

Message Posted:
14/07/2009 22:29

Hey Blinky,

I took the plunge with Sevilla too, so lets see how it pans out and take a balanced view regarding the doom merchants!

Bradus


Joined: 25/02/2007
Posts: 2641

Message Posted:
15/07/2009 00:56

There needs to be scaremongers on this forum to counteract those that hide from reality. Why not concentrate on the facts? It will certainly support purchasers to remain in control rather than allowing the builder to take money for doing little to nothing.



Why would a builder not complete a site that he contracted to finish 2-3 years ago? Why would he start on other developments and still not finish existing sites? To me this says he is not interested in delivering what was promised and he has little interest in customer satisfaction or service. This is no way to run a business and by doing this he is causing untold suffering to those who have purchased.



Read what some of Sevilla's customers have said on other forums and on this one. It's there in black and white for all to see.It is unfair to dismiss claims made by others to people considering purchasing. Lets stop using the builders that can't be bothered to give a decent service and promote the tried and trusted ones.

littlejohn


Joined: 09/03/2009
Posts: 316

Message Posted:
15/07/2009 03:48

Builders are builders! UK, Spain, Bulgaria, Turkey .What I cannot understand is how this situation goes on and on year after year with people being duped time and time again. A friend of mine in the UK was offered a cheap driveway - money up front of course.He returned from work to find a layer of tar overlaid with pea shingle!! They had even covered the manholes (sorry personholes!) Why does this situation continue?And please don't blame the government!! As is commonplace in the UK.Take your heads out of your a***s !!!

lovinit


Joined: 20/06/2008
Posts: 745

Message Posted:
15/07/2009 07:59

I would advice anyone thinking of buying a property here " dont do it" certainly not at the moment, there is no protection at all for any purchasers. Foreigners or locals. The builders here, have only been in the trade a few years, spent all there cash on fancy cars and houses, no thought for the future or there long suffering customers. All they think about is the next few grand they can make from "you and you".

TRNC is not the place it seems, its a place full of smiling, money making con artists. BEWARE!!!!

hydrobrush


Joined: 18/06/2009
Posts: 40

Message Posted:
15/07/2009 12:44

Plot 21 tatlisu lady with autisum child not able to inspect , husband working overseas ,was told that doors windows tiling was completed paid her money by transfer ,Guess what , no doors no windows was sent picture of a finished property.

MarkVPiazza


Joined: 14/08/2008
Posts: 530

Message Posted:
15/07/2009 14:03

Everyone is all smiles and helpfull while they're taking your money



Do not under any circumstances buy a new-build - get a re-sale from someone who has the deeds in their name.



We all came to the TRNC trusting what was siad to us - far too many have been ripped-off for their trouble.



Mark

canyavuz


Joined: 22/02/2009
Posts: 363

Message Posted:
15/07/2009 14:08

yorgozlu message 5



Kofali is the best on the island? The guy that threatened to TAKE our 45.000 gbp if we did not complete the sale, when he himself was the one who was causıng problems in the sale.

Kofali a NO NO.

McSteviet



Joined: 11/05/2007
Posts: 1089

Message Posted:
15/07/2009 14:46

There is a massive unfinshed Shell of a building on the main road(left hand side) out of Girne towards Lapta, that has a masive "Sevilla" sign on the rooftop.



Not a good advertising ploy I wouldn't have thought. What an Eyesore.



Mc

Cherry


Joined: 15/09/2008
Posts: 103

Message Posted:
16/07/2009 23:31

Mcsteviet,



I don't know if you are living in Cyprus or not but these shops were standing there as a skeleton for a long time and Sevilla just took the job 2 months ago from another company to complete it.

Thats why there is a masive ''Sevilla'' sign on the roof.

martinev


Joined: 24/10/2008
Posts: 320

Message Posted:
17/07/2009 12:24

There have been many comments on this thread, some positive but mainly negative. As a resident on the site, I think a dose of perspective is called for. Yes, I suppose everyone has been waiting 3 years or so for their villa(i.e. fm contract date), but as far as I am aware, completion dates for the site started 1st 1/4 2008. Whilst this has passed, I am led to believe the ongoing delay has been caused by Sevilla being continually let down by one of TRNC's major companys.



We see positive scenes on site. Pools are being built, pavements & paths are being laid, deliveries of materials are being made and workers are on site working. If we have a problem Sevilla do their best to sort it asap.



I have to say that Sevilla do shoot themselves in the foot as they don't answer e:mails &/or give conflicting info to different people with the same question.



Nevertheless, with all the positive things happening, I look forward to the site being completed in the near future (fingers crossed!!)

marcopolo


Joined: 17/10/2008
Posts: 13

Message Posted:
29/08/2009 15:56

They are struggling to complete too many sites,and have changed the completion date on the site I purchased a property soooooo many times!!!

captainjohn


Joined: 08/06/2008
Posts: 201

Message Posted:
29/08/2009 16:22

I think the problem originates from 2006 when they reduced their prices for quick sale, this indeed worked well,all sold within 2 months,stage payments use to finance next project and so on,now because they sold at reduced prices,they appear to be reluctant to spend any more cash on the Tatlisu projet, why do they not understand that this could have been their showcase,putting them above other builders , sustaining groth and heathy future,with recomendations and not complaints, will they ever learn ?

cronos


Joined: 26/10/2008
Posts: 2093

Message Posted:
29/08/2009 16:30

There is a problem with even the "good" builders in the TRNC,in that if they overstretch themselves,or get into financial difficulties (self-imposed ),they know that the law will not protect the buyers,or punish the builders for taking money and failing to deliver.



Even if you were one of the "nice guy" builders,it would be very tempting to leave your customers high and dry knowing full well you won't be punished,rather than having to find several hundred thousand pounds just to finish a site and satisfy a few disgruntled Brits.



The law needs to change.......but it won't obviously !

madturk


Joined: 25/03/2009
Posts: 217

Message Posted:
29/08/2009 17:47

do not put all the blame on sinan, i spoke to him recently when i was over. he told me the infastructures at tatlisu was being done. that lots of owners still had to pay him payments.

which amounts to a lot of money. golf villas ?running behind, one left forsale. people whohave bought some are not paying their stage payments, so work is progressing slowly, maybe you should form a villa owners committee and see who is not paying their payments. why should he finish their properties , if he does not know if he will get paid for it

yorgozlu



Joined: 16/06/2009
Posts: 4437

Message Posted:
30/08/2009 01:33

Canyavuz

msg 46

I never said,KOFALI CONSTRUCTION was the best on the island.Did I?



I know the family,and they are very good and decent family.But thats irrelevant.

Not even debating the quality of their work.Each to their own.



Whatever happened between yourself and Kofali has nothing to do with my comments.



SO,please keep your knickers on and read again!



I stand to my words.

They buy the land,deeds in their name,then built,all cash,not even a mortgage.

Now,how safe is that??????????????????



ADVETISING FOR THEM????? NO.

I dont work(and when I have to,I'll be on my way back to UK)other then bits here and there out of bordom and cover the cost of my NI in cyprus.



TRYING TO SHOW YOU GUYS A TRUSWORTHY BUILDER????????????? YES.

yorgozlu



Joined: 16/06/2009
Posts: 4437

Message Posted:
30/08/2009 02:09

I'm not gonna apologise for my "typos",because s**t happens!

gingerjan


Joined: 16/09/2009
Posts: 5

Message Posted:
16/09/2009 22:51

hi we are thinking of buying a villa on the historia park nothing agreed yet how are you finding them im a bit worried about the reports have you any advise you could give me thanks

madturk


Joined: 25/03/2009
Posts: 217

Message Posted:
16/09/2009 23:20

i have looked at the historia site and you cannot fault the build quality . I for one still think sevilla will still be buiding good quality homes for years to come.

paddypony


Joined: 14/07/2009
Posts: 75

Message Posted:
16/09/2009 23:26

Hi Gingerjan,

We are also buying at the same place. Good to see you have the balls as well as the nose for the right spot!! Nothing in life is ever without risk but I think you found the right place! I am convinced that this is right for us and Sinan is a good guy and I am comfortable with this fact. We also have the right advocate too so we will all see how it works out. God knows there are enough of my friends in UK and Turkey looking very closely at me after I signed up last Easter. Three stages so far so good!

gingerjan


Joined: 16/09/2009
Posts: 5

Message Posted:
17/09/2009 23:40

hi paddy thanks for your reply ive looked at the website and all the properties at the elegance are sold we are thinking of buying at historia are you buying at historia. has anyone bought at the elegance and are they finished was there any problems with them many thanks

paddypony


Joined: 14/07/2009
Posts: 75

Message Posted:
18/09/2009 00:29

We are buying at historia and like you, thought it was the right thing because Elegance had all sold out and any developer who is doing this in tough times must be doing something right. We looked at loads of stuff but the whole set up with historia just ticked all the boxes as far as we were concerned. Originally we swore never to buy off plan but after looking at this site and speaking to sevilla, we took the plunge! Please contact us off forum if we can help

scruff


Joined: 15/07/2008
Posts: 1070

Message Posted:
18/09/2009 01:07

Hope you don't live to regret your decisions gingerjan & paddypony.

paddypony


Joined: 14/07/2009
Posts: 75

Message Posted:
18/09/2009 01:18

Why, thanks for your concern Scruff. Unless you know somthing we dont......?

Tenakoutou



Joined: 27/07/2009
Posts: 4110

Message Posted:
18/09/2009 10:43

'Oh ye of little faith!' - in the British Foreign & Commonealth Office.........

yus2u


Joined: 29/03/2009
Posts: 33

Message Posted:
18/09/2009 19:33

buy resale what you see is what you get

Hector


Joined: 26/08/2008
Posts: 2352

Message Posted:
18/09/2009 22:49

How often before have we heard people saying how wonderful their builder and lawyer are, only to hear the wailing & knashing of teeth further down the line? All too often it seems that naive faith leads to grief despite the warnings and advice available. Just thinking out loud.

paddypony


Joined: 14/07/2009
Posts: 75

Message Posted:
18/09/2009 23:58

OK Hector, so you are saying YOU had a crap builder and a crap lawyer then? Everybody else is classed as you say, naive? Lets have some of the advice and you can tell us exactly where we are going wrong then.............. If you have done all the research better, have more and better experiece to make judgement, than us humble fools, then please enlighten us where we have gone wrong (if you have the/our facts??). I'm happy listen to anyone who can advise me if I am throwing money away. Please let me know what mistakes I have made? Never too late

Jeannie


Joined: 04/08/2009
Posts: 3283

Message Posted:
19/09/2009 00:18

ginerjan and paddypony - I wish you all the very best, but I have to say that people on here are speaking 'in general'. I would agree, particularly, with Hector's post 65. Those of us who have some knowledge of 'buying ' in TRNC would have to agree with him. I sometimes scroll through old posts, all with glowing reports about their developers/advocates, etc. only to find that the story has gone sour over a period of time.



I think people are only trying to warn you about pitfalls.



Quite honestly, we bought off plan some years ago (with Unwins - the most maligned Estate Agents on the Forum) and had no problems. Having said that, I would not do so again.



Good luck - but, please listen to what others have to say.



Jean

paddypony


Joined: 14/07/2009
Posts: 75

Message Posted:
19/09/2009 01:22

Hey Jeannie,

I understand and fully appreciate what you are saying and as per my message I am appealing for construtive advise. However sweeping generalisations that amount to anyone who buys off plan must have a bad developer, advocate and be stupid to boot, all from someone who knows nothing of my circumstances whatsoever, does nothing to help anyone and is totally unproductive negative baseless comment.



I DO NOT wear rose tinted spectacles and simply repeat my appeal for sound sensible advise viz-a-viz the title of this thread, I am all ears and willing to benefit from the experience of others before me. I know the path I have to follow will not be easy, if I have made the wrong move by doing what I have done, please show me if I am damned or reassure me in a constructive informed manner - I am all ears!

cronos


Joined: 26/10/2008
Posts: 2093

Message Posted:
19/09/2009 01:32

Paddypony....it seems you have already made your mind up.



If the negative publicity regarding Sevilla ,and the first hand accounts of people who have suffered in the TRNC property market generally are not enough to put you off ,then jump in,hope for the best,but be prepared to live with the consequences.

scruff


Joined: 15/07/2008
Posts: 1070

Message Posted:
19/09/2009 01:48

Paddypony. You've had advice & chosen not to listen to it.

You've been sucked in & paid stage payments.

Things will start to go wrong when you've made the penultimate payment.

Trust me.

paddypony


Joined: 14/07/2009
Posts: 75

Message Posted:
19/09/2009 02:25

Cronos,



No way have decided either way



I cant make up my mind until the place is built to satisfaction, I have kocan, ptp, Orams case etc' and all the other hurdles are behind me. I do get advise from HBPG and trust what they say.





I get sleepless nights being stuck here in the UK, sending out stage payments to NC builder. I AM nervous and the forums scare me but what to do? I can cut and run and dump half my losses now and walk away (ouch!) or see it through to the end and possibly lose everything (ouch?).



Yeah I have got to live with the consequences of my decisions and if this is one risk to many. PLEASE tell me what you think............

Tenakoutou



Joined: 27/07/2009
Posts: 4110

Message Posted:
19/09/2009 09:21

paddypony/Msg 66:



Why, on Earth, should Hector oblige you, for not even the price of a postage stamp?



Go to HBPG!



Read the advice from the British Foreign & Commonweath Office!

madturk


Joined: 25/03/2009
Posts: 217

Message Posted:
19/09/2009 12:10

paddypony ,if you cut your losses and run, when your villa is finnished you will be gutted that you

pulled out . speak to sinnan tell him your concerns, give him payments and ask him what he is using it for

and to show you by taking photos to prove what has been done.

i have got a block of apartments in esentepe he his building, the build is a bit behind, his money is tight

i am in construction in england ,his quality and materials are good.

try not to worry to much.

JUST THINK IN A FEW YEARS TIME YOUR VILLA WOULD HAVE INCREASED IN VALUE. YOU WILL BE SITTING PRETTY ,WITH A LOVELY HOUSE WITH GREAT VEIWS

paddypony


Joined: 14/07/2009
Posts: 75

Message Posted:
19/09/2009 15:30

Hi Madturk,

Thanks for your input. I am happy with Sinan and think his build quality is good. Thats why we went with him in the first place. We met plenty of iffy builders etc and I guess the fact that some people post uniformative negative posts is because they got caught out and are basically screwed up about anyone who has not suffered like them.



I have spoken to HBPG all along and would take their word over the other postings everytime



I guess like you, I can look at this matter from a business perspective avoiding negative emotional input when making decisions. There is risk doing business in any country and I expect risk factors all along, but from what I see the risks in TRNC are more tranparent due to the amount of disgrunteled posters.



If it goes tits up - it wont kill me. But if we get it right, then we will have the last laugh over the doom merchants!

cronos


Joined: 26/10/2008
Posts: 2093

Message Posted:
19/09/2009 16:02

Paddypony...."I have spoken to HBPG all along and would take their word over the other postings everytime "



Then why even bother asking for advice and opinions on here?



Although you may class them as doom merchants....quite often the "doom" is borne out by their experiences.



Turning a deaf ear is your choice.



Seriously...good luck with whatever you decide....only YOU can make that decision....but to state that "There is risk doing business in any country" and expect this to equip you for the unique property buying process in TRNC is naive in the extreme.

madturk


Joined: 25/03/2009
Posts: 217

Message Posted:
19/09/2009 16:39

good luck with your new villa paddy, may you spend many a happy time in it. (it might be a little late in completion, but it will be worth it)

scruff


Joined: 15/07/2008
Posts: 1070

Message Posted:
19/09/2009 20:10

I'm starting to think that both paddypony & madturk are one & the same & are in fact associated with Sevilla?

Or am I being too cynical?

Jeannie


Joined: 04/08/2009
Posts: 3283

Message Posted:
19/09/2009 21:21

scruff - cynical - here in TRNC? Go and wash your mouth out



J

madturk


Joined: 25/03/2009
Posts: 217

Message Posted:
19/09/2009 22:38

see what i mean ,to many who think they know better

cronos


Joined: 26/10/2008
Posts: 2093

Message Posted:
19/09/2009 23:07

You can't know any better than knowing from experience.

madturk


Joined: 25/03/2009
Posts: 217

Message Posted:
19/09/2009 23:49

cronos what do you mean . knowing from experience

cronos


Joined: 26/10/2008
Posts: 2093

Message Posted:
20/09/2009 00:04

Madturk....I mean that when people post their experiences which are negative,and therefore contrary to your own,it does not make them any less valid.

paddypony


Joined: 14/07/2009
Posts: 75

Message Posted:
20/09/2009 01:14

Seems like negative and gloating are all the same in the above posts. Just because you get ripped off in life should not mean you have to regard everyone else who may not get caught out with a perverse jealousy.



If you want me to believe every house purchase in NC is a nightmare then thats your call. If I was to believe you I would be a mug. Just put it behind you - move on and get a life. The sort of life where nobody owes you a duty of care and you expect to be wrapped up in cotton wool.



Dont tell me that TRNC is the most treacherous place to buy property in the whole world just because you got ripped off because I KNOW harder places to do business. Countries like if you spout on forums and winge they way you lot do - you would dissappear!

sevilla


Joined: 20/09/2009
Posts: 7

Message Posted:
24/09/2009 12:13

Dear Cyprus 44 members,



We have been reading all comments about Sevilla for long time. We didn’t want to involve these conversations before. Because from the first date we established Sevilla, We always worked for customer satisfaction and we decided we won’t listen comments about what other company owners or workers says about us and just worked honestly for our customers. We always believed that if we do something right or wrong this will effect our future directly This is vard of Cyprus mouthis the best advert for all companies here. That’s why we are always working hard to do right things for all properties we build and informing our all customers about ongoing process on sites regularly.

Personally I am meeting with all customers when they visit Cyprus and discuss about all details they want. More than 100 property owners getting detailed pictures, informations about ongoing precess and meeting with me whenever they come to Cyprus. Trust is everything for our company. If a

sevilla


Joined: 20/09/2009
Posts: 7

Message Posted:
24/09/2009 13:21

If anything goes wrong we directly inform people. We never say that there is no problem at construction sector in North Cyprus. There was construction boom in 2003, butchers and market owners dumped in to sector without any experience. This was the main problem for property market here. People who come from UK trusted to these people but at the end of day majority of them had problems about quality and finishing. Estates sold all properties without knowing quality of finishes. This is main problems now which comes from past for property owners. Then estates reliazed the difference between construction companies and butchers and eliminate them by not selling their off plan properties. Because estates never had problems from our customers they always keep selling our projects last year. Just couple companies opened a new site out of 200 companies in Cyprus.

sevilla


Joined: 20/09/2009
Posts: 7

Message Posted:
24/09/2009 13:21

But please understand that this is not just luck. Visit our site and see finished property next to Malpas Hotel. If there is anything beter as a quality , design and price please inform us and help if there is anything we can bring our quality we will do. Secondly the main problem is government departments process. After 30 years in 2003 construction boom hundreds of projet started together. Government was not ready to suply some services for all at same time. Hundreds of folders had been waiting in process for solutions and answers. It wasn’t possible with limited workers of course. People need to understand that will standarts and Cyprus standarts at government departments are not same. This is new developing country and we all working for this. Government brought some solutions but still it is not enough , day by day getting beter. These all caused delays on completions without government inspections on electricity, water, infrastructure, etc.

sevilla


Joined: 20/09/2009
Posts: 7

Message Posted:
24/09/2009 13:21

That’s why we always inform our buyers at every paperwork stages too. If there is anything we wait we tell people. We always say that from our side the most important thing is proper completion. Our all customers knows that from the beginning untill the end we always try to give best service to our customers. We never say that we can satisfy everyone. Because hundreds of people means hundreds of personality. Of course there will be unsatisfied people even after we do our best. We would like to say that we support %100 Cyprus44 plotform. Everthing must be clear for everybody. If there is anything we do wrong people need to tell us and we need to work to do it right. But please do not judge people if you don’t know them personally. It is not fair. This is not just for me or for my company, it should be same for everyone. We never make a comment about other companies and we want same respect from everyone.

sevilla


Joined: 20/09/2009
Posts: 7

Message Posted:
24/09/2009 13:21

We understand that some construction company owners or workers makes some comments about us with fake names but this is not the way of competition. People who need written things need to ask to others on this form that from which Sevilla Sites they bought , which number they are. It is not fair to be judged by people who doesn’t know anything about us or process on our sites. We have all answers, we are here for any questions. But please respect people who worked in right way. It is some all around the world there are good and bad companies but we shouldn’t put them all in to same bucket. There was a stolen rights on Cyprus property market. It was not fair to sell overprices properties by giving lovest quality. This is what majority of constructors done in past. We have seen this and determined our company principle as a maximum quality with reasonable price. This effect others sales of course but at the end of day we believe that people who bought from us got what they paid to us.

sevilla


Joined: 20/09/2009
Posts: 7

Message Posted:
24/09/2009 13:21

We are here and we are going to be here for any help we can. Same as we done we will keep working hard by standing behind what we promised. But only we want respect from everyone especially people who doesn’t know us, If there is anything you want to ask please do not hesitate to contact us then write truth. My mobile is open 7 days 24 hours ( 0533 864 0899) or e-mail to info@sevillacyprus.com.

paddypony


Joined: 14/07/2009
Posts: 75

Message Posted:
24/09/2009 15:51

Excellent response Sevilla!!



Your comments are very welome and I applaud your guts to speak up for yourself and tell it how it is - well done

billyboy1


Joined: 01/06/2009
Posts: 590

Message Posted:
24/09/2009 16:33

Good for you Sinan......

madturk


Joined: 25/03/2009
Posts: 217

Message Posted:
24/09/2009 23:00

what no negative comments amyone, i have said in the past ,you can trust sevilla ,they will still be building long after the cowboys have gone, keep it up sinan

madturk


Joined: 25/03/2009
Posts: 217

Message Posted:
25/09/2009 23:37

i cannot believe there is no negative replies to sinans message. are you critics and scarmogers ok

pepto


Joined: 06/07/2009
Posts: 22

Message Posted:
29/09/2009 20:04

Sinan who is selling your properties for you now, is Palm Group and Henry from Henry Charles still supporting you? All the best and well done with your reply.

pepto


Joined: 06/07/2009
Posts: 22

Message Posted:
03/10/2009 19:09

sinan tried your e-mail but came back! am I doing something wrong?

sevilla


Joined: 20/09/2009
Posts: 7

Message Posted:
03/10/2009 22:33

Pepto if you search about north cyprus properties from google you will find best 20 estate agency in kyrenia. We are working with all of them.We always wanted to show our projects to our customers rather then hiding and we thought that the best way is this.Because from the beginning we knew that our product was ready to be in competition with the best.

We are working very good with Henry Charles but as you know Palm goup has been closed since last year.

Sorry for emails but some times we are having problems about lines.

gingerjan


Joined: 16/09/2009
Posts: 5

Message Posted:
29/10/2009 01:36

hi we are going out to cyprus on 25th nov to look at historia could i speak to you off forum how do i do it gingerjan

casper


Joined: 22/06/2010
Posts: 24

Message Posted:
22/06/2010 15:01

i have bought a golf villa at esenteppe in june 07 from sevilla an am still waiting for completion

skoda


Joined: 21/06/2010
Posts: 37

Message Posted:
22/06/2010 23:57

your comments once again sound sincere so all you have to do now is prove everyone wrong and complete the site at Tatlisu then you will be the person you profess yourself to be.

CyprusChill


Joined: 08/05/2009
Posts: 666

Message Posted:
13/08/2010 00:18

Msg 98. The site you mention has come on leaps and bounds this last few months. Access and entry roads and planting being worked on as we speak. Great location and starting to look the part.

Chelpet


Joined: 10/03/2010
Posts: 253

Message Posted:
13/08/2010 11:12

Our villa was built by these builders although we did not buy it off them, too long a story to tell.

Initially everything was OK, usual niggles about poor quality materials but nothing too dramatic, until the heavy rain last Winter, when we can back to the villa in March this year, there was the usual damp problems not as bad as some people, but we also had damp high up in the stair well.

After further investigation in June of the roof, found an absolute mess up there.

Tiles missing although they were there just not fitted.

No flashing just tin strips nailed to the walls with big gaps in it.

Big holes around the pipes where arial wires came onto roof.

Large areas totally without water proofing.

Large holes which not been filled in with cement.

As the second owner I was not covered covered by their warranty (ha ha) although I did email them complete with photos in Turkish, no reply, why am I not suprised.

Continued.

Chelpet


Joined: 10/03/2010
Posts: 253

Message Posted:
13/08/2010 11:17

How many people climb onto roofs to check, as we are in a small complex of 7 villas nobody else had any problems, and the roofs of these villas are quite difficult to get onto and my climbing days are done.

We are getting it all rectified thanks to a brilliant neighbour, who putting all right while we are away.

My point is if it cannot be seen, dont take it for granted that all is OK check everything, we learned the hard way.







Peter

measey


Joined: 07/02/2009
Posts: 1037

Message Posted:
13/08/2010 12:13

I have to say i have found sinan to be a straight and honest person to deal with personally .The old saying in Business is that you can please some people some of the time , but not all people all of the time.

skoda


Joined: 21/06/2010
Posts: 37

Message Posted:
13/08/2010 14:34

well named madturk one would need to be mad to make such sweeping statements. does he not have any feelings for the buyers on the tatlisu site who have paid all of their money and are still waiting for water electric and roads.

I suppose the name turk is a clue to his attitude (it is ok to rob people of there life savings they should not complain)

I wish him all the bad luck for the future and hope he is lucky enough to fall foul of dishonest people as a piece of poetic justice

tracy


Joined: 08/09/2007
Posts: 390

Message Posted:
13/08/2010 15:03

Hi Chelpet, which villas are you in, we are at the golf villas and had no problems so far , it is late on completion but so is everywhere here.



Cypruschill, yes I agree with you the site is looking very good now, even got lights at the front, we live on site now and love the villas, a few small snaggings but nothing major, we was here when we had the terrible weather in winter and we had no problems with leaks whatsoever.



The staff are very willing to help with any thing at all we need done.



We cant complain at the moment because there is nothing to complain about (apart from a bit of mess) but that was our choice to live in a building site.



Sinan is now out of the army, I am sure now the villas on all sites will progress for people to take over possesion of them.



Regards Tracy

Zoony


Joined: 26/03/2010
Posts: 136

Message Posted:
13/08/2010 15:21

Sevilla Builders we looked at the site inTatlisu and on inspection of the stonework around the doors and windows outside we discovered that this was not stone but painted polytryrene enough said.

cameraman


Joined: 11/06/2010
Posts: 28

Message Posted:
13/08/2010 15:37

When are you going to honour your comitments to the forgotten Tatlisu purchahers that parted with there cash in 2005/6 whic helped you to get started ????

halffull


Joined: 26/01/2009
Posts: 571

Message Posted:
13/08/2010 16:28

Having visited the Elegance site last week, because I live in Catalkoy and the advert took my wife and neighbors fancy, I woud have misgivings about buying there. Some of the buld quality is not too good. Before the visit, both women were cooing about these dream houses (I was not amused have paid for where we are, which is supposed to be idealic!!!) But having done an indepth inspection of both 3 and 4 bedroom villas both women said NO they weren't what they were made out to be and wouldn't want one.

I have no axe to grind or hidden agenda. I have had minor problems with my builder( not Sevilla), broken promises on snagging items. Found the cheapest, least stressful and best resolution was to do it myself. Not get all bitter and twisted. As so many members have said, you have no redress, so why bring on a heart attack?

Chelpet


Joined: 10/03/2010
Posts: 253

Message Posted:
13/08/2010 17:21

Hi Tracey our villa is in Alsancak, just a small complex, it was the old story a guy owned some land and offered it to Sevilla, provided that they built him two villas free of charge, and Sevilla could then sell the other villas to make their money.

Now if you think about it they are not going to be too fussy over the build quality when they are not being paid for them, so hence the problems.

I totally agree with halffull theres no need for a heart attack just roll up your sleeves and put right what the builders cocked up, because I learnt very rapidly that you are not going to get anywhere ranting and raving at them just blank looks, and an instant loss of English on their behalf.

But I was disappointed as I was led to believe Sevilla were one of the better builders in NC, but it seems they are like all rest, grab your money then you are on your own.

Dont know whether they read this forum, but if they do lets hope my comments have hit home.

tracy


Joined: 08/09/2007
Posts: 390

Message Posted:
13/08/2010 17:38

Thanks Chelpet could not think where you where.



Zooney, mine are proper stone here on the golf villas, they are very beautiful, did not know they were polystyrene on Tatlisu



Regards Tracy

Chelpet


Joined: 10/03/2010
Posts: 253

Message Posted:
13/08/2010 17:47

Zooney we have the same around the windows and doors on our villa, all very nice until you have bad hail storm then you will find them pock marked worse than a teenager with a bad dose of acne, then you have rub them down and fill and paint them.

halffull


Joined: 26/01/2009
Posts: 571

Message Posted:
13/08/2010 17:48

Polystyrene at Catalkoy too, ladies weren't impressed. :=(

paddypony


Joined: 14/07/2009
Posts: 75

Message Posted:
13/08/2010 18:28

Re msg 112

Polystyrene.....? What are you on? Are you trying to impress ladies (as you say) by dragging them around building sites - 'coz I dont think thats the way to do it, well not the sort of ladies I know. They seem to go for a nice restaurant meal and a bottle of wine



I have one of these units built by Sevilla and I can assure you that the build quality is second to none, on the island. But being an architect, what do I know?

keithcaley



Joined: 13/06/2008
Posts: 2521

Message Posted:
13/08/2010 18:38

paddypony,

Have you seen the actual Villas in question?

If not, why don't you contact the two posters who mentioned that they had actually SEEN the polystyrene - then perhaps your professional expertise could be used to comment upon something that you HAVE seen & which is being discussed, rather than on something which either: -

a) You haven't seen - or -

b) something which you HAVE seen, but which is not the thing actually being discussed.

Your call

EsentepeKav


Joined: 21/06/2010
Posts: 24

Message Posted:
13/08/2010 19:08

We have bought a golf villa at Esentepe. Before we did I researched the political situation and builders - Sevilla were recommended to me by someone working in the building industry in the UK. We made a decision to take the risk on both points. NO REGRETS - I hired a surveyor he looks after the quality side - he has stated that the quality of build and materials on this site is ABOVE average. We have visited ourselves many times and are very please with the finished article. Ours should be finished soon and ready for occupancy. I have met Sinan on several occasions and find him to be an honest and sincere person. I believe he will deliver on product (perhaps a little behind schedule). When you ask a question or seek advice on forums such as this you will get many and varied answers - generally those with bad experiences will be negative and more vocieferous - but then you hear bad news much quicker and from many different directions. But the good news is there also if you look for it.

EsentepeKav


Joined: 21/06/2010
Posts: 24

Message Posted:
13/08/2010 19:12

Sinan - I applaud you for sticking up for your companies reputation - you have reacted and explain my misgivings and questions in the very way you described in your msg above. Paddypony - you and only you can make the decision - good luck with whichever way you decide to go. We made ours - we have had some frustrations but thankfully no misgivings and are looking forward to using our new house very very soon.



Tracy - put the kettle on

paddypony


Joined: 14/07/2009
Posts: 75

Message Posted:
13/08/2010 19:16

Hi Keith,



Thanks for your message, you really are putting me on the spot here ;-)



I'd go with option c), whilst not discounting option b). Only because I do own one of the properties referred too and I can assure you - no polystyrene here in Catalkoy. I can only assume that they (the other posters) are confusing polystyrene and other plastic composites commonly used in the construction of fascias facades etc, but that is only my guess............



What is more important is that just because there are and have been many dodgy builders/construction companies before them. This does not make Sevilla Construction a bad builder, far from it, in my opinion; they are up there with the best of them!

cronos


Joined: 26/10/2008
Posts: 2093

Message Posted:
13/08/2010 19:29

paddypony....."This does not make Sevilla Construction a bad builder,"



Unfortunately in the TRNC the term "bad builder" does not just refer to the standard of construction or quality of materials ,it also has implications in the matter of handing over title deeds and the taking out of loans and mortgages on those deeds.



I too have been in construction in the UK for over 30 years ( QS ) and can assure you that in the TRNC the QUALITY of the build can sometimes be the least of your worries when buying property !

Chelpet


Joined: 10/03/2010
Posts: 253

Message Posted:
13/08/2010 19:44

Well judging by the last posters we must have been bloody unlucky with our villa, I can assure anyone that the material used around our windows and doors is polystyrene, also the poor quality in the unfinished roof on our villa, and the materials used, IE tin sheet instead of lead flashing, tiles left in piles instead of being fitted to roof, what excuse for that, and failing to reply to my email, and it was translated in Turkish so no excuse there, plus accompaning photos, bearing in mind the villa is approx 3 years and only been occupied for last year, fair wear and tear? I think not.

I would love to meet up with a representative from Sevilla when we are out there in mid September and have an explanation for the poor build quality.

There Sevilla I have thrown the guantlet down seeing as you chose to ignore my email, how about a face to face meeting if you read this forum.





Peter

tracy


Joined: 08/09/2007
Posts: 390

Message Posted:
13/08/2010 20:49

Mike, I will put the kettle on for you when you arrive, only thing is it is too hot to have a brew at the moment

ha ha!!!!!!!!!!!!



Mine are definitely NOT polystyrene. All of the yellow brickwork that you see on the windows and doors and all the front of the entrance are stone, very nice too!!!





Tracy

keithcaley



Joined: 13/06/2008
Posts: 2521

Message Posted:
13/08/2010 21:35

paddypony,

Thank you for your even-tempered reply!

I did think that perhaps I'd been a little harsh

It is still a logical non sequitur to assert that any particular builder is a 'Good Builder' on the basis of your own, thankfully good, standard of build.

'One swallow does not a Spring make' and all that...

I'm not even going to mention the points raised by cronos relating to business practices ( oh damn it, I just did )

Anyway, I wish you all the best - enjoy it while you can.

madturk


Joined: 25/03/2009
Posts: 217

Message Posted:
13/08/2010 21:59

skoda re. message 104 . are you on the tatlisu site ? probly no. just like your name and the car cheap.

get your facts right before you pass judgement. i will ask this question again and only those on the tatlisu site can answer this , who still owes money on a villa that they only paid about £80,000 for .

if you all paid up ,then the site can be finished.

skoda, seat , kia whatever your name is , dont speak on behalf of a chinese whisper. ask the people at the site.

happy motoring.

Zoony


Joined: 26/03/2010
Posts: 136

Message Posted:
14/08/2010 11:01

Paddypony me reference to polystyrene round the doors and windows was my visit to the site at tatlisu and not any other site ,however any builder that uses this type of material for this construction and in this climate must be thinking short term as this material will dry out and go britte .

madturk


Joined: 25/03/2009
Posts: 217

Message Posted:
14/08/2010 13:37

remember ! rome wasnt built in a day ???????

skoda


Joined: 21/06/2010
Posts: 37

Message Posted:
14/08/2010 15:28

re: message 122 mad turk mad greek mad chris or just mad whoever you are. I will ask you the same question are you buying on the tatlisu site. if not stop being a hypocrite because it is chinese whispers on your part.my brother in law has purchased on the site he has paid all the money including extras for transformer water connection and sewage machinery. it is not whispers but fact as he holds receipts. he has broken no agreement but sevilla have .the only thing he is guilty of is buying from them in the first place. right or wrong it is obvious where your loyalties lie I cant understand how any normal thinking human being can condone such behaviour. By the way I drive a skoda because I find it more reliable than the wifes mercedes.

measey


Joined: 07/02/2009
Posts: 1037

Message Posted:
14/08/2010 15:40

skoda. good to hear your wife prefers a mercedes to a skoda.

measey


Joined: 07/02/2009
Posts: 1037

Message Posted:
15/08/2010 15:03

HAVE A LOOK, at the project 500 mtrs from the Golf Course. Sevilla, very very good.

honestie


Joined: 22/02/2009
Posts: 468

Message Posted:
15/08/2010 15:52

I had good builder but if good is to include getting title deed s then theres a lot of bad builders



You will find really find out how good the builder is when you get the deeds tansferred and hopefully no memorandums on the land.



that isnt be negative its being realistic and hopefully your developer is one of the better ones in all sense of the word.

madturk


Joined: 25/03/2009
Posts: 217

Message Posted:
15/08/2010 19:21

so how far has sinan got on the apartment golf site , does anyone know

john_good


Joined: 15/08/2010
Posts: 176

Message Posted:
15/08/2010 19:34

message 19 more than his father is then +200 properties from chatakoy-karsiyaska no kochans no electric no permissions the list goes on

madturk


Joined: 25/03/2009
Posts: 217

Message Posted:
15/08/2010 19:53

john good are you saying that sevilla have built over 200 villas ?????????????????

tracy


Joined: 08/09/2007
Posts: 390

Message Posted:
15/08/2010 19:55

Hi Madturk, I think all the apartments are up now, I did notice they were doing the kitchens on them last week, also seen a lot going on, but not been to have a look inside for a while now. Looking good though!!!!

Tracy

madturk


Joined: 25/03/2009
Posts: 217

Message Posted:
15/08/2010 20:10

thanks tracy for the update, has he started the pool yet?

skoda


Joined: 21/06/2010
Posts: 37

Message Posted:
15/08/2010 20:29

come on sinan push the boat out and give them the transformer and tarmacadam road on the tatlisu site

madturk


Joined: 25/03/2009
Posts: 217

Message Posted:
15/08/2010 20:42

and throw in a free skoda with each fully paid up owner lol

tracy


Joined: 08/09/2007
Posts: 390

Message Posted:
15/08/2010 20:46

Madturk,



Sorry no the pool has not been started yet, Sinan has been looking into liner pools, dont know if this is what you are having on the apartments, but they are awaiting the plans fpr the villa pools, ours is supposed to be started this week, if the plans for the pipework arrive. Must admit they sound good though, cant wait its too hot!!!!

Tracy

madturk


Joined: 25/03/2009
Posts: 217

Message Posted:
15/08/2010 20:48

it be worth the wait in the end,

skoda


Joined: 21/06/2010
Posts: 37

Message Posted:
16/08/2010 00:39

and throw in madturk when its finished which may be never

john_good


Joined: 15/08/2010
Posts: 176

Message Posted:
16/08/2010 08:21

madturk msg 131 no his father did with several companies

halffull


Joined: 26/01/2009
Posts: 571

Message Posted:
16/08/2010 12:31

Paddypony- message 119.

1. The ladies wanted to visit the site because they liked the adverts , not my idea at all, we were on our way home from a day on the beach.

2. It was one of the ladies who notices the "plastic" capping, which had been painted white, and pointed it out to me.

3. I thought the quality of the kitchen fittings was very good.

4. I love living here and would not want to put any one off, even though all the pit falls and problems are constantly in your face on this forum.