35 years of peace in the trnc

yunus



Joined: 14/05/2009
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Message Posted:
20/07/2009 16:14

the trnc was formed 35 years ago. we are happy and love the peace, we have our own half of the island and live just fine together. do you think any decision to spoil this peace is possible ? i think the international community should keep its promise now and recognise the trnc. maybe then they will regain only some of the trust they have lost with their constant unkept promises over the years. lets have this first and we will then think of the rest. why do we have to keep taking steps forward when nobody has taken a peacefull step towards us for 35 years.



to many more 35 years of peace and freedom.

deecyprus4


Joined: 27/07/2008
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Message Posted:
20/07/2009 16:17

Long live the KKTC and lets get recognised on the worldwide stage...



yunus hear hear!

yorgozlu



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Message Posted:
20/07/2009 16:35

I'll drink to that yunus

mixie


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Message Posted:
20/07/2009 16:37

Well done yunus,



A very moving post.

Mixie

No1Doyen


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Message Posted:
20/07/2009 16:42

Yunus. well said..........

rowlo



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Message Posted:
20/07/2009 17:06

long live KKTC good post yunus

mmmmmm



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Message Posted:
20/07/2009 17:14

Dear Bill



re msg 5



Can you please tell me, and other supporters of a REAL settlement which part of Yunus post was "well said" ..?



1/ "TRNC" was announced as "formed" in 83 - I make that 26 years ago.. it is no nearer being a vehicle to help TCs than it was then - in fact it is the VERY thing giving GCs the chance to hold back progress... despite the TC vote FOR Annan



Promises "broken" .. yep far too many and mainly by Turkey in refusing to pay compo or adhere to agreements signed..





2 / Remind me again, how many lives were lost in a short space of time to "achieve" this peace and how many atrocities went down .. How many UN peace-keepers were killed in action.. The Greeks and Turks evening managing to kill their own personnel in the chaos..



The current "status quo" is NOT what the international community or most REAL Cypriots want...



If Yunus has "freedom" - why is he referring to something different in his responses to me in other threads?

No1Doyen


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Message Posted:
20/07/2009 17:21

Mark.....This bit........."we are happy and love the peace"

mmmmmm



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Message Posted:
20/07/2009 17:43

Thanks, Bill... ;)

waddo


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Message Posted:
20/07/2009 17:44

Today our broody hen hatched out two chicks! Might not mean a lot to you out there but we have named them:



Peace & Freedom!



Don't give up on the TRNC, they have never given up so why should we? Let what is going to happen, happen and stop trying to save something that you have no say in anyway. We all chose to come and live here in the knowledge of what it was like and that it would change - everything has to change.



Wait and see, this perpetual poking yourselves in the eye will get us all nowhere apart from increase the sales of Gin (my favourite) and valium. Just enjoy the day - there will be another one along tomorrow!

barnaclebill


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Posts: 303

Message Posted:
20/07/2009 17:46

Mark

Remind me how many UN peace-keepers were killed during the intervention .As far as I was aware there was only 2 casualties in the British sectors and they were injuries not deaths.Could you also tell me why was it that in the British sector we only looked after Turkish villages ,was it to stop the TC getting at the GC or visa -versa.After seeing the way they lived I cannot imagine the genuine relief that they,the TC had when the intervention came and also the sense of peace they have had since that day .I dont honestly believe myself that any Tc from that era will ever be convinced that they could live on a 50/50 footing ,it was never like that anyway so why should it change.May they continue to have their peace for many years to come and if they do get back together lets hope they dont get shafted yet again.

ROBnJO


Joined: 30/06/2008
Posts: 1289

Message Posted:
20/07/2009 17:52

Mark



Your idea of a 'real' peace is somewhat different to the real peace that exists.



I'm sure you can quote any number of UN 'Resolutions', 'Accords', 'Agreements' etc etc etc,



but none of those have had any effect on the current situation.



How many were killed in WW1 & WW2? Many in atrocities. You have to forget these events and move onto peace.



I wish the same could happen in NI.



NC is a happy and peaceful place, why would you want to inflict potential animosity or sectarianism where it is not required?

ROBnJO


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Message Posted:
20/07/2009 17:54

Yunus



I forgot to say,.. excellent post!

ROBnJO


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Message Posted:
20/07/2009 18:38

Mark



I'm not having a 'pop' at you. Your input to these threads always produces some good, sometimes heated, discussion & debate in a courteous way,... but,...



You often come across as a 'Barrack Room Lawyer' who continually raises 'points of order', or quotes facts or historical data which is often irrelevant to current situations.



Sometimes it reminds me of Neville Chamberlain and his 'Letter' from the German Chancellor. Best of intent but totally worthless in the overall 'gameplan'.





Us 'ex-pats', you and me both, are just sideline observers with certain interests, mostly financial, not historic or family based.



The future should be decided by Cypriots, it is their Island and their place of Birthright. Ignore anything from the EU or UN. If the Cypriots agree or disagree, so be it.



Trying to apply International intervention could be a disaster.



Rob

martinev


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Message Posted:
20/07/2009 18:52

Great post Yunus. You are happy with the peace...say no more !!

girne 29


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Message Posted:
20/07/2009 19:11

Good post,Yunus



No amount of Accords ,UN Resolutions,ECHR rulings, EU dictats, ROC / EU blackmail and bribery regarding Turkish EU membership will determine what is in peoples hearts.

yorgozlu



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Posts: 4437

Message Posted:
20/07/2009 19:17

YASASIN KUZEY KIBRIS TURK CUMHURIYETI



MAY THE ONCE GAVE THEIR LIFE FOR US TO SEE TODAY AND CELEBRATE, REST IN PEACE



AND LONG WE SHALL CARRY ON FIGHTING FOR TO MAINTAIN OUR FREEDOM



AND LAST BUT NOT LEAST ,THANK YOU TO ALL BROTHERS IN TURKEY



WITHOUT YOU ,WE WOULDNT BE ALIVE TODAY



THANK YOU FOR BEING THE ONLY GUARENTOR TO STAND UP FOR US

jewels


Joined: 06/06/2009
Posts: 73

Message Posted:
20/07/2009 21:36

great post yunus



also the greeks were killing each other 15-20 july 1974 (junta-eoka b-makarios) whilst trying to gain power. however the decent greek cypriots found themselves caught up in the fighting. so maybe they should celebrate today with us and thank turkey for saving their lives also, and for the peace which has followed.

mmmmmm



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Message Posted:
21/07/2009 10:45

Dear Jewels

re msg 18



As you WELL know.. all the TR invasion did was unite most GCs who had been killing each other only hours before.. :(



I have oft quoted a GC who was pro-rapproachment, maimed by EOKA-B, for BEING pro-rapproachment - despite already being made homeless in 63 by TCs



The straw that broke the Camels back WAS the invasion - when he lost family members / friends and his home - again.



He still has no problem with TCs.. but Turks...



Many of us have tried to reason with him - just thought you should know how inept your final sentence would read.... :( COMPLETELY, out of touch with an ave. GC...... !



Dear Rob,

re msg 14



WHY would I be "insulted" ?! *Cypriots* should be allowed to work this out .. couldn't agree more...the UN resolutions say JUST that..



BB re msg 11



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Nations_Security_Council_Resolution_359



TCs voted yes in 2004 !



http://www.un.int/cyprus/jimmy99.htm



3 UN Austrians killed by Napal

andre 514


Joined: 31/03/2008
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Message Posted:
21/07/2009 22:09

mark I have four things to share today:



in my dictionary "settlement" means a process whereby folk "settle"

making re-unification impractical to impossible...

I believe the technique was famously pioneered by one oliver cromwell



only tcs voted "yes" to a deal at the last watering hole five years ago

and they are not at all keen to stick their necks out again I hear,

making your good self the prime candidate for porky pig's trapdoor



martin luther king "had a dream" poor guy

you aim to mince in these huge footsteps, but in the cyprus case,

one person's wish-list is often another person's stuff of nightmare



and most topical this week,

the real straw that broke the camel's back was without question

the fascist coup of 1974 forcing turkey to be

the one guarantor that "does what it said on the tin"

for all the waffle about deal or no deal, I never heard anyone explain

why the darksiders ever thought they'd "get away with it"

Stubs


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Message Posted:
21/07/2009 22:24

Andre



Turkey did not do as it said on the tin as you claim. The guarantor nations were supposed to re-establish the Republic of Cyprus constitution. 35 years later this has not been achieved.



Many ex-pats who have bought property use the pro-TRNC stance as a smokescreen for their own ends. I have posed the following question before. How many ex-pats (or non-Cypriots) would be willing to sacrifice their land/houses on esdeger deeds as part of a settlement?

mmmmmm



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Message Posted:
21/07/2009 23:13

re 19



I just noticed my response to BB re 11 wasn't finished..



3 UN Austrians killed by Napalm... that's TR's airforce...

mmmmmm



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Message Posted:
21/07/2009 23:22

Dear Andre_514



re msg 20



"settlement" - closure of an outstanding dispute my mutual agreement ? Even dictionaries can give us the explanation that suit ! ;)



YES, TCs said YES last time and might be disinclined to vote the same right now...



As I keep pointing out .. WHO would of thought Paisley and McGuinness would be the "chuckle Brothers"? ..



Do read the history of Cy - according to the UN - they clearly point out that GCs were RETALIATING by attacking TC communities when TR invaded ...



The UN were mandated as peace-keepers.... it is pointless saying they were "useless" when TR / GR were supplying arms.. :(



I ask again... in August 74 - when the blockade stopped GCs getting replacement ammo - why do you think TR found it SOoo much easier to advance...? Hint - no bullets.. no fighting...

andre 514


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Message Posted:
21/07/2009 23:35

stubs,



you are spot-on when you say many expats

"use the trnc stance as a smokescreen for their own ends"



precisely in the same way as other people

"use an anti-trnc stance as a smokescreen for their ends"



everybody has an axe to grind in the world where I come from,

and it is deceitful, shoddy and dishonest to proclaim otherwise:



unless, that is they only want to practice their touch-typing

or are mary poppins, or mother theresa or albert schwietzer



again, I have to agree if you remind us,

the guarantee was created to protect the 1960 constitution

rather than the turkish cypriot population or even black mak



try asking for sacrifice,

few or no expats would volunteer their exchange properties



and though I personally am neither "for" nor "against"

a cyprus deal, should one surprise us all by arriving out of nowhere

I can't see any indication that anything similar will be signed in future

and the current talks process is merely playing with the idea