Fundraiser at Guidos

ustwo


Joined: 08/12/2008
Posts: 67

Message Posted:
19/08/2009 17:14

Is the fundraiser dinner at Guidos still on please?

Lilli



Joined: 21/07/2008
Posts: 13081

Message Posted:
19/08/2009 17:31

Hi ustwo. Sadly due to the lack of response we will have to cancel this. We only had two bookings which wouldnt make it viable. It would be embarsing to hand over a smal amount.Louise is coming to see me so I will discuss the situation with her. So for now it will be cancelled. Im so sorry xx

smithy


Joined: 17/07/2008
Posts: 5301

Message Posted:
19/08/2009 17:36

Hi Liz

Is the Auction for SOS still going ahead tomorrow as i haven't heard from Ellie, got loads of things for the children lets hope its a success and loads of people turn up

Please let me know, see you tomorrow anyway

sheila xxx

ustwo


Joined: 08/12/2008
Posts: 67

Message Posted:
19/08/2009 17:38

Thanks Lilli .

dizzycows


Joined: 12/05/2009
Posts: 2736

Message Posted:
19/08/2009 17:46

Lilli. does all of this mean that Bez does is not in need of a solicitor? as DC and I had made a pledge for this purpose, reading the threads it looks like Bez and family are leaving 'pronto', and not in want of one. lol

.

DutchCrusader



Joined: 19/05/2008
Posts: 11281

Message Posted:
19/08/2009 18:02

RE msg 5, dizzycows: I understand that the hair dresser has been released without being charged. So he obviously does not need a lawyer (btw there are no solicitors in TRNC). I'm only amazed that the promised reaction by his wife never appeared on this board. The family will leave TRNC soon, if several sources are to be believed.

Lilli



Joined: 21/07/2008
Posts: 13081

Message Posted:
19/08/2009 18:06

Hi Smithy Ellie hasbeen in today and The Children in Need Appeal afternoon tea is still on. Very muuch so. I .look forward to seeing you there.Dizzy as DC has answered all I know Louise said she is coming into see me . So no other news as such yet xx

pinkchilli


Joined: 30/11/2008
Posts: 689

Message Posted:
19/08/2009 18:37

Was Hippo and Mrs Hippo on the invitation list?



I know you were SO looking forward to meeting him and his good lady!

smithy


Joined: 17/07/2008
Posts: 5301

Message Posted:
19/08/2009 18:49

Hi Liz

See you tomorrow, is it at 3pm I forgotten what time Ellie said,

Look forward to seeing you its been ages.

Sheila x

negativenick


Joined: 10/11/2008
Posts: 6023

Message Posted:
19/08/2009 19:11

mess 6 - Naomi Mehmet is a solicitor - hence the "LLB" following her name......

dalartokat


Joined: 14/04/2008
Posts: 734

Message Posted:
19/08/2009 21:16

Lillie you have e mails, sorry about your Fund raising event, you did try.

natalie


Joined: 03/05/2009
Posts: 323

Message Posted:
19/08/2009 21:57

Lillie you sound like just about one of the nicest people around, but then like me you are Irish!! LOL

cooper


Joined: 23/10/2007
Posts: 3386

Message Posted:
19/08/2009 22:03

Its great news that Gez has been released without charge, i always knew with him being a hairdresser he was going to get a FAIR HAIRing.



Cooper

Lilli



Joined: 21/07/2008
Posts: 13081

Message Posted:
20/08/2009 09:45

Thanks all. I am sorry it wont go ahead this friday. However after speaking with Louise it will now go ahead next Friday 28th August. Please could you indicate if yo would like to come along. Thanks xx

Harold2555



Joined: 19/04/2008
Posts: 1139

Message Posted:
20/08/2009 14:39

NN



LLB is just a Degree, Batchelor of Laws. A solicitor (as I suspect most people understand the use of the term) has further passed profesional examinations set by the Law Society and works according to their rules, pays subscriptions etc. etc.





Harold2555

japeal



Joined: 12/09/2008
Posts: 1052

Message Posted:
21/08/2009 08:38

Lilli,



I am surprised you are supporting a fund raising for someone who has been flaunting the laws of the trnc openly for a few years, Gez must have known he was acting illegally, and therefore must take whatever punishment comes. I do disaagree with him being arrested over the weekend, treatment was a bit ott, but I am led to believe that the City & Guilds representative from London came over to initiate this situation and that because of the fraudulent certificate he is now likely to be arrested if and when he returns to the uk.



I understand he may have needed to earn a living over here, but as he could legally work in a salon why overstretch his qualifications, become illegal in his activities and jeapordize his position in the trnc after all his years in the trnc?



Lilli, you are a lovely caring person, but I do feel on this occasion your support of Gez is not deserved.

MickyFinn


Joined: 30/06/2009
Posts: 102

Message Posted:
21/08/2009 10:17

Japeal. I agree wholeheartely with you. It must make those who have had to work hard to obtain their City and Guilds certificate feel sick to think this guy is getting so much support. At the end of the day, he has committed fraud. I am sure he is well able to pay for his own tickets back to the UK considering the clientele he had and the long wait for appointments at his salon. Liz, please think carefully before you go ahead with this, there are a lot of people out here who do not agree. Like Sheila said there are a lot of people out here who are worried about being able to stay for various reasons that are not criminal.

Ozbey


Joined: 04/03/2009
Posts: 304

Message Posted:
21/08/2009 17:11

re msg 16 and 17,

I do not know the truth about this particular situation, but I must agree with you that there are often far too many "do gooders" ready to throw themselves up on the sympathy bandwagon, without first giving enough thought to the rights and wrongs of the case. Maybe they think it makes them sound like good people, but to me it makes them appear somewhat shallow.

Wait until you all know the TRUE FACTS before taking sides!

Regards,

Ozbey.

stellasstar1



Joined: 02/07/2008
Posts: 1519

Message Posted:
21/08/2009 18:39

Yes I have to agree with Sheila. As with any qualification, people work hard to get them, so I'm sure they won't want to be donating to someone that got caught with a forged certificate. It must have been awful for him and his family last weekend, and I do feel sorry for him, but he must have known there was a chance he would get caught one day. There are a lot of people here with genuine hard luck stories, but no one seems to be raising money for them. They just have to quietly pack up and go back to England.

bully



Joined: 10/09/2008
Posts: 26

Message Posted:
21/08/2009 19:31

No ones wife could get there hair done to go out

japeal



Joined: 12/09/2008
Posts: 1052

Message Posted:
21/08/2009 20:49

re message 18



I am in no way knocking Lilli, she is a genuine caring person, it is just on this particular event I do feel that Gez is getting his due rewards. One can feel sympathetic to his family, but his partner must have been aware of what he was doing.



This could be one of the first cases of the trnc govt catching someone working illegally with proof of such.

natalie


Joined: 03/05/2009
Posts: 323

Message Posted:
21/08/2009 21:20

I would go along with the previous comments to a certain degree, BUT, it stillsmacks of discrimination. What Gez has done is for sure not right, but as an expat he is made an example of. I reiterate, what abountall the scum Estatae Agents, Builders and Advokats that are walking free despite having made many, many peoples lives hell on earth here. The police, courts know how to deal with and severly in gez's case, petty crime, but when it comes to total rip off fraud etc. they have not got a bloody clue. Don't knock Lilli, a lot of us are here permanently and we for better or worse have got to try and stick together.

natalie


Joined: 03/05/2009
Posts: 323

Message Posted:
21/08/2009 21:53

I would also add that as an ex pat to try and set up a business legally here, as some young people following their parents have tried to do, mostly because they want a better life for their kids, and believe me there is that, is hell on earth, they are put through hoops, taxed out of existance, and in general life is made bloody difficult for them to make a living, why, because, the locals do not want anyone here who perhaps knows better.

MickyFinn


Joined: 30/06/2009
Posts: 102

Message Posted:
21/08/2009 22:18

There is no way I could give support to a fraudster, or people who support them, but there we are, you will always find that some people who will give them encouragement..

dizzycows


Joined: 12/05/2009
Posts: 2736

Message Posted:
21/08/2009 22:49

Natalie, couldnt agree with you more regarding the real fraud thats going on in front of the polices noses.

MickyFinn perhaps a lot of stuff was put up that a lot of us had no clue as to what really was going on regarding fake documents, we were lead to believe that he was thrown into prison with paperwork being sorted in the pipe line! so please dont have a go at folks for trying to help. It has since come to light that all wasnt 'kosher'. If he had wanted help and all had been above board, some of us would have helped with the funding of a solicitor. But as things came to light it became a different story. So please dont blame Lilli or others for at least showing that they would have helped a family in trouble. lol

Lilli



Joined: 21/07/2008
Posts: 13081

Message Posted:
21/08/2009 23:57

I thank you for your replies . In no way do I condone any one working illegally but when the report on here was posted I along with many of you pledged money to get a lawyer and I thoght a fundraiser would help. Its hard enough here to make a living and face the authorities. We all got carried away on the emotion of this. I will not risk my buisness all I wanted to do was help a family in trouble and thought that would. There are children involved also.I dont know Jezs buisness nor do I want to. I make it a poloicy to mind my own.All I know that this family was in trouble and many pledged 25 pounds to help. How many of you can say they dont have a gardner cleaner pool cleaner ironing lady that you whom employ them should get them a permit. From this response I am left with no alternative than to cancel it. I will not be involved in any controversary. I still feal sorry for the situation he found himself in for whatever reason. In no way am I shallow as those who know me will testify

Kitty1


Joined: 15/03/2007
Posts: 683

Message Posted:
22/08/2009 09:43

Great response Lilli. We know what a compassionate person you are, and yes when this all first came out, it did look like the family may need some assistance with legal representation and I understand why so many were looking to help in some small way. Having said that, as things have unfolded and because the situation is causing so much controversy I suspect you are taking the right course of action. You neither deserve nor need to be criticised and stressed out over this, and I'm sure Gez and his family will understand.



If individuals still feel they want to help with their move back to the UK, they can always do it personally, privately and directly with the family.

Lilli



Joined: 21/07/2008
Posts: 13081

Message Posted:
22/08/2009 09:45

Thank you Kitty xxx

MickyFinn


Joined: 30/06/2009
Posts: 102

Message Posted:
22/08/2009 10:34

The moral of this story is Look before you leap.

simbas



Joined: 16/07/2007
Posts: 5943

Message Posted:
22/08/2009 10:53

Forgive me , but whether he is innocent or guilty ,{ which is none of our business anyway } . Wasn't it the circumstances in which he was arrested , and the conditions he was kept in , and the horror that his family was experiencing in an adopted country ?, that prompted all the support for this family . Being able to emphasize unconditionally with a family in crisis , is a really admirable thing to be able to do , and to act on that even more admirable . That is my opinion only , and to know they were not on their own , must have been a great source of comfort to them . I for one thought that the compassion felt and shown for this family by most of the members on 44 was a very humane response to a situation anyone of us could have found ourselves in for various reasons legally or not .

Have a good w/e , Simbas

nurseawful



Joined: 06/02/2009
Posts: 5934

Message Posted:
22/08/2009 11:10

Well said Simbas. I agree wholeheartedly with you. And Lilli would have done the same for anyone in trouble.

dizzycows


Joined: 12/05/2009
Posts: 2736

Message Posted:
22/08/2009 11:33

Well said Lilli, and simbas,Lilli dont let mickyfinn or any one ever, ever, stop you doing what you did, as next time it might be ------ mickyfinn!!!!, not under the same circumstances of course, but you never know in life what help you may want and the sooner things are put into action the better!! you can always stop something, it is a damb site harder to get something going. So please let the critisism be not quite so negative, have a great day everone as I am sure the sun is shinning in NC, it is raining where I am again lol

hattikins


Joined: 17/02/2008
Posts: 2793

Message Posted:
22/08/2009 11:46

Well said Simbas, whatever the circumstances this was a family in distress far from home, if people can,t offer help then it,s a sad state of affairs.

smithy


Joined: 17/07/2008
Posts: 5301

Message Posted:
22/08/2009 12:02

Of course we would help, I for one will always be there for other people, and I do feel for Gez's family,

But you all have forgotten that Gez knew he was working illegally from the start, if I had forged my paperwork to (say) get a Residency then I would one day expect to be found out and face the consequences.

If only he would have worked in a Salon without buying one this would never have arisen.

I understand Simbas/hattikins/Liz what you are saying and I feel for the kids, but he knew exactly what he was doing, going ahead with buying knowing full well he could fall flat on his face, and get the sympathy vote, sorry not from me.

I know this makes me seem a hard person, but believe me I am not.

sheila

dizzycows


Joined: 12/05/2009
Posts: 2736

Message Posted:
22/08/2009 12:10

Smithy it does not make you a hard person at all, if as you say Gez knew of these things ,and you knew he was working illegally you have every right to say what you have. It was just unfortunate that most of this stuff did not come out right from the start. ....

Whistler


Joined: 28/07/2008
Posts: 1332

Message Posted:
22/08/2009 12:24

I agree with Smithy. I do feel for what this family have been experiencing, but at the same time we must all learn to live by the rules in this country. If we dont, in time, it will carch up with us. What I could never understand is why the salon was never opened.

Big sign in the window English Hairdresser coming (or opening) soon but it always looked shut.

Whistler


Joined: 28/07/2008
Posts: 1332

Message Posted:
22/08/2009 12:28

Forgot to say. I dont think anyone is condemning Liz for what she has tried to do. It`s in her lovely nature.

All I will say Liz is look after yourself, and yours.

smithy


Joined: 17/07/2008
Posts: 5301

Message Posted:
22/08/2009 14:00

I think Liz is the most caring person I know and what she and also Guido do to help others is great

can never take that away from her. I agree whistler Liz look after yours and yourself

see you soon.

sheila xx

simbas



Joined: 16/07/2007
Posts: 5943

Message Posted:
22/08/2009 14:18

Hi Smithy , don't fret , i'm sure nobody thinks you are a hard person , i dont ! they are your personal views and have to be respected , and if you can't be true to yourself then who can you be true to .

Take care , Simbas

scoobydoo


Joined: 10/11/2008
Posts: 2434

Message Posted:
22/08/2009 14:32

Lilli,



What you did (or tried to do) by organising a fundraiser, was done with heartfelt compassion of a situation at the time, and unfortunately not all the facts seemed to have been posted originally, and I for one would hope that I would know someone like you should I ever end up in trouble!



However, and there is invariably a 'however', I do believe that if someone has done wrong and especially if they knew about it, then they deserved to be punished as I posted on another thread of which you kindly responded to.



The police handling of the situation did come across as 'heavyhanded', but Gez should have thought all this through before doing as he did.



But please, do let this get you down, you did what you felt was right at the time with a genuine caring attitude that would put many of us to shame.



As said above; look after yours and yourself.

scoobydoo


Joined: 10/11/2008
Posts: 2434

Message Posted:
22/08/2009 14:48

One thing I did miss out on the msg 40, as this is not aimed at anyone in particular, is the the 'hammering' that Naj and Nulten received on this forum..... quite sad really. They are both excellent hairdressers, as some of you will realise I always recommend Naj when someone new is looking for a good hair cut.



What I cannot understand is that nobody criticises Marion at the HBPG for trying to regulate the estate agents, builders, solicitors etc and nor should they as she (and her team) put in so much time and effort trying to help people.



However, someone has to start somewhere and by helping to 'tidy up' illegal practices in whatever industry and whoever it is should be supported, as we do with Marion.



As I said in msg 40 the only thing that I could see that I 'personally' didn't like was the police 'heavy handedness' of the situation but it is the way of the country that we have chosen to live in and we choose to accept these ways and others as we choose to live here.

Kitty1


Joined: 15/03/2007
Posts: 683

Message Posted:
22/08/2009 17:05

Hi Scooby,



Agreed.



K.