Time to forgive and move on

newlad



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Message Posted:
23/08/2009 21:38

http://www.cyprus-mail.com/news/main.php?id=47438&cat_id=1



If these two can then anyone can move on.Forgiving doesnt mean we have to forget,

Paul.

Woodspeckie


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Message Posted:
23/08/2009 21:49

Read that earlier today, a great story and outcome.

newlad



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Message Posted:
23/08/2009 22:13

It certainly is Speckie and its one that should be highlighted in the Sept 3 talks,

Paul.

yorgozlu



Joined: 16/06/2009
Posts: 4437

Message Posted:
24/08/2009 00:53

Fat'hi/Fatih Akinci!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm?????????????????????????????????????



another load of bullshit! springs to my mind.



Paul;

On this one,I'm %100 certain.

andre 514


Joined: 31/03/2008
Posts: 1163

Message Posted:
24/08/2009 02:13

individuals forgive, and it is a liberating experience



with people en masse as it were, the perpetrators must share

a common understanding of past events

without this essential requirement, but with tribalism continuing

it is a somewhat unrealistic demand



a practical problem is that those most abused, ie the dead,

cannot easily forgive from the grave



christianity always emphasised forgiveness above everything

since its earliest days

so would you say that the christian south of cyprus should be the first

to forgive the moslem north, and then bin the atrocity stories?



because in order for one people to forgive another, the evildoers

whoever we may think they really are (not always easy to decide either!)

must surely admit what they have done before they can be forgiven



what signs do you see emerging paul,

of the tc's forgiving the greek cypriots for killings by eoka "b" squads

and the gc's equally forgiving turkey for the loss of their beautiful north?

newlad



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Posts: 7819

Message Posted:
24/08/2009 09:38

Sal,

Dont hold back matey,tell it as it is.Everyone has an opinion,my personal one is i think things should move on you obviously disagree,which is fair enough,

Regards,

Paul.

andre 514


Joined: 31/03/2008
Posts: 1163

Message Posted:
24/08/2009 13:04

paul,



doesn't it all depend what you mean by move on?



for example you could move on to another majority rule cyprus state like long ago

...or you could move on to a free and recognised trnc

otherwise you can move on with a lot more of the same, the most likely outcome



or perhaps you mean move on by all cypriot locals laying past evils finally to rest:

do you think that will happen in any forseeable circumstance?

I think we should be told!

yorgozlu



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Posts: 4437

Message Posted:
24/08/2009 13:55

Paul,

Sorry,you may have misunderstood me.I was refering to article bt "another load of bullshit springs to mind"



Tried to e-mail you off board last night with no luck before my thread.



The TC person mentioned in article doesnt exist.

As sure as my own name I am on this one.Would only tell you why,face to face.

(what a coincidence!!!!!!!!)lol

yorgozlu



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Posts: 4437

Message Posted:
24/08/2009 13:57

Paul,



I also agree that things should move on,like yourself,

We just have different directions!lol

cyprusairsoft



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Posts: 2066

Message Posted:
24/08/2009 14:00

how do you know this



The TC person mentioned in article doesnt exist.

yorgozlu



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Posts: 4437

Message Posted:
24/08/2009 14:13

re msg 10

Assuming the q. was to me!



In Cyprus(north) its very seldom for 2 different families to get same surname.



There are 2 families in Northern Cyprus that carries "Akinci" as surname.



Neither has the person mentioned.



unless of course,names been changed for their own reason/reasons!!!!!!!

Geejay


Joined: 18/04/2009
Posts: 475

Message Posted:
24/08/2009 14:54

I'd rather be guided by "yorgozlu" in this. Even if this story was true, individuals act differently in personal matters to populations going through trauma.



Cyprus can only "forgive and move on" when the Greek Cypriots stop denying their part in the troubles.



Cue.....6m's

newlad



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Posts: 7819

Message Posted:
24/08/2009 22:22

To

say i am confused would be an understatement,

Paul.

andre 514


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Message Posted:
24/08/2009 23:28

paul I think you are a bit confused



your member picture has you guys sitting under a staue of ataturk



the great patriotic turkish hero:



suppose he'd forgiven the greek army in 1920, and let them keep smryna



how differently history might have turned out?



by rights you should have been photographed next to jesus, ghandi or mary poppins