Anyone thought of moving to Turkey

negativenick


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Message Posted:
31/08/2009 08:13

With all the doom and gloom in the TRNC, has anyone either thought or actually moved to Turkey ?



Interested in your comments....

Cyprusraider


Joined: 08/04/2009
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Message Posted:
31/08/2009 08:24

You are a tad late Neg. Brits started moving away from Kibris to Turkey in 1995 to my personal knowledge.



It seems to be a popular relocation site since it is cheaper with similar weather, although given Turkey's huge geography this is a bit of a generalisation.



Bodrum, Fetihye and Marmaris seem to be the most popular places for relocating, with Izmir and Cesme following.

Hippo


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Message Posted:
31/08/2009 08:35

A few people may have a whip round for you to go NN

negativenick


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Message Posted:
31/08/2009 08:49

mess 3 - was making the post for you, Hippo....

nurseawful



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Message Posted:
31/08/2009 09:34

NN if you go onot Turkish Living Forum it will give you an idea how things are over there with ex-pats, unfortunately they have a lot of problems the same as we have here.

Chris

Pipie


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Message Posted:
31/08/2009 10:53

You could take advantage of cost of living being a little cheaper , but you take your life in your hands every time you drive or taxi anywhere , so unless you live somewhere whre you can walk everywhere for me Turkey is a no no , compared to TRNC you still have the very low crime rate which again compared with living in Turkey , TRNC comes out tops , as nurseawful says expats do have probs out there , more to the tick box than cheaper cost of living .

negativenick


Joined: 10/11/2008
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Message Posted:
31/08/2009 10:58

mess 6 - What about:



Litter

Lack of water / infrastructure

Lack of choice of shopping

Land Ownership

Litter

Illegal dumping

Unfinished properties everywhere

nothing being done to sort Kocan's out

Specific performance law...



To name but a few....

brandy sour


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Message Posted:
31/08/2009 11:25

We have thought of taking a holiday in turkey next year instead of NC because of our problems with the apartment seems a better choice.

cronos


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Message Posted:
31/08/2009 12:19

Does anyone know whether the property buying process is the same in Turkey as in TRNC ?



Do us foreigners still need Permission To Purchase and if so does it just take a few weeks?



Presumably there is only one type of Title Deed over there ?



Thanks.

Woodspeckie


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Message Posted:
31/08/2009 12:49

We go to Turkey twice a year for holidays this year was our 36th visit, you must be joking Pipie abut the driving, I have never known anything like it in NC and I drive in both countries. I feel quite safe in Turkey as I do in NC if you keep to the quieter places, not Marmaris or Bodrum or Kusadasi these places get crowded out by the Brits it's not the Turkish people who cause problems if there are any I haven't seen any trouble whatsoever. There is a problem with purchasing property but I don't think it is as bad as NC again it's the builders who try to rip people off not heard of any problems with deeds when the property if finished although there is laws about building near Military land. not sure about the PTP will check on this with my Turkish Mutah friend.

The beaches are kept clean by the council usually done early morning and collection of rubbish is done twice or more a day. If I was to move out of the UK would be Turkey for me.

Navek



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Message Posted:
31/08/2009 14:50

Hi negativenick,

The Fethiye area of Turkey was one of our options,

but because we had relatives in TRNC,

came here, but would still consider a move to the mainland,

Have driven cars & motorcycles in Turkey, from...

Dalaman, Marmaris, Fethiye, Patara Beach area, Kalkan and down to Kaş,

never had any problems driving, so that's not an issue with us.

We have been on holiday to Calis Beach Fethiye, Kalkan and a Gulet Cruise from Fethiye.

that was fantastic, another option, if you want a break

Fethiye was our favorite area there,

next to Hisarönü & Ölüdeniz Beach.

Got me thinking now

Navek

negativenick


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Message Posted:
31/08/2009 16:12

mess 10 - how about the council's in the TRNC cleaning the beaches each day and disposing of all the fecking rubbish ?

Woodspeckie


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Message Posted:
31/08/2009 16:19

My favourite's are Cesme 1 hr from Izmir more Turks than tourists. Akyaka (Paradise) 1/2hr from Marmaris but don't go there. Yalikavak on the Bodrum penisular quiet peaceful place popular with Brits as a lot have bought there.

JohnMclovin


Joined: 27/08/2009
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Message Posted:
31/08/2009 16:20

why dont you just go nick if you dont like it

eager


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Message Posted:
31/08/2009 16:23

Agree with Woodpecker, Yalikavak is really great.

dustyrhodes


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Message Posted:
31/08/2009 16:40

It's a choice I'm trying to weigh up at the moment-I've lived in both countries and I think the only thing Cyprus has got is a kind of familiarity for Brits which Turkey doesn't have so much of. It's easier to get ot Turkey and the infrastructure is better - there are still some undiscovered spots but I would avoid the honey pots of Marmaris, Kusadasi & Bodrum. The area around Ayvalik is fairly undiscovered (by Brits at the moment), quite easy to get to from Istanbul & very pretty. Traffic's not a big prob out of istanbul & you can't beat the genuine warmth & hospitality of the Turkish people. The food is also much better.

mmmmmm



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Message Posted:
31/08/2009 17:41

re msg 11



Fethiye Bay area.. HEAVEN.. return again and again

cronos


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Message Posted:
31/08/2009 17:45

mmmmmm...when you say HEAVEN....is this because it hasn't been spoilt by tourism/lager lout Brits ?



This is a serious question.....I would consider a move to Turkey but have no idea as to which areas would suit.

cyprusairsoft



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Message Posted:
31/08/2009 18:07

full of russians thats enough to put me off

Lazy days


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Message Posted:
31/08/2009 19:08

Hello peeps

Pipie

mess 6 can you tell us on whot authority you can pass this judgement ?????

NN.

the Turkish riviera is stunning, the climate similar to TRNC

Crime no worse possibly better per head of pop than TRNC

Turkey has same residency requirement as TRNC

PTP is same as here with military having to approve

Fethiye to Kusadasi 'the riviera' - stunning, great golf, great fishing, great marina's you dont have to rely on promises of it might happen in a few years - it's already there, mile upon mile of open roads, woodspekie well said, me too I travel there every year from the Black sea coast to the Syria border with the other half in tow and its greaaaaaat !!!!!

Cronos

If you like a quiet area try around Kumlica /Adrosan if unsure just Google the map of turkey you will not be disappointed I promise you.

From a well travelled Alison Black !!

mmmmmm



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Message Posted:
31/08/2009 20:11

Hi Cronos,



I spend my time on a yacht.. I only holiday there.. many places only reachable by boat.. some folk I know have settled in small communities between Gocek and Fethiye and seem very happy ..



re 19



>>full of russians thats enough to put me off<<



Ah, yes the "all inclusive" Russians.. they speak highly of you, too CYairsoft;)

girne 29


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Message Posted:
31/08/2009 20:43

cronos

"Does anyone know whether the property buying process is the same in Turkey as in TRNC ? "



You are taking the p- mate.. The buying process is the same no where else.

Just a couple of differences.



"The new mortgage law and other relevant laws with regards to the regulation and supervision of the property market will be enacted in 2006,"

"According to the legal framework mentioned above, both Turkish citizens and foreign owners have equal property-ownership rights."



" A lawyer will check: - The title deeds of the property in Kusadasi Turkey are in order

The person selling the property in Kusadasi Turkey is the registered owner

There are no debts or charges on the property

Building Licenses and permissions (e.g. for extensions) are in order.

Terms & Conditions of purchase of your property in Kusadasi Turkey

Pipie


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Posts: 5499

Message Posted:
31/08/2009 20:46

N/N



Regarding lack of water , we have no probs whatsover with water at Tatlisu , and our deeds are now ready for collecton as we speak , however yes i do agree it appears to be more doom and gloom in the trnc as of late however the government appear to be given more hope .( fingers crossed ), i still think that the TRNC can keep crime rate low on the basis that it is has less inhabitants and smaller than Turkey , i stiil feel very safe in the TRNC and this is important to me ,even though we are not resident there just a few months of the year , all of the other issues that you have mentioned i agree with .



Lazy days you really need to pay attention , i have not passed judgement , i have just posted my thoughts

girne 29


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Message Posted:
31/08/2009 20:47

22 cont

However, for non-nationals, the process is a little longer and can take between 6 & 8 weeks. This elongated process is in the interest of the foreign investor and ensures that the property is not in or close to a military designated zone. The sellers legal ownership and debts and charges are also checked during the process and background checks on



Title transfer

This entails, the Buyer (or Power of Attorney), Seller and Estate Agent attending the TAPU Office whereby the title deeds are transferred once the seller confirms he has received the monies for the transaction and the buyer confirms there willingness to buy the property and that they have received keys to the property.



If completing the transaction yourself, a Translator must be present as all the points of sale must be understood by the buyer and seller alike before the transaction can be completed. Once the Transaction is finalised, you (or your power of attorney) will receive a TAPU .

cronos


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Message Posted:
31/08/2009 20:48

Hi Girne29.....no I wasn't taking the piss....it was a genuine enquiry.



"The buying process is the same no where else. ".....do you mean that TRNC is uniquely bad in how it treats foreigners when it comes to buying property?......and that Turkey would be a safer bet?

Woodspeckie


Joined: 25/01/2009
Posts: 2263

Message Posted:
31/08/2009 21:38

Go on http://www.turkishliving.com and go the the link buying process thread, at the bottom there is a link to Turkey buying process tell you everything there.

cronos


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Message Posted:
31/08/2009 21:58

Cheers Woodspeckie....most helpful.

helot



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Message Posted:
31/08/2009 22:29

my husband and I moved to Kusadasi from Lapta in May and its the best thing we ever did,great place something for everyone and great people,population of expats are mainly Irish not many Germans or Russians in Kus.Climate the same as trnc beaches fantastic especialy Ladies Beach where we live.

phylray



Joined: 21/09/2007
Posts: 1727

Message Posted:
01/09/2009 01:10

There are so many beautiful places in Turkey. Even Istanbul where I lived and worked for 3 years has

Princes Islands nearby, (no cars only phaetons) and the south is climatically similar to Kibris. The island of Cyprus has a relaxed feel to it, and they drive on the left hand side! I have felt safe in Turkey and Kibris

(and also in U.A.E. Bahrain and Oman) as a woman alone, apart from few isolated incidents which I dealt with.

Brinsley


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Message Posted:
01/09/2009 01:34

Look at Selcuk, Efes near Izmir, a small international expat English speaking inteligencia community.



Richard

eager


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Posts: 1272

Message Posted:
01/09/2009 01:43

Came to nc looking for a holiday home 3 years ago, did the usual rounds and heard all the talk came back a year later to have another look, after coming to the conclusion that the nc govt do nothing to help the british investors and that rip off was the name of the game decided not to part with money when there was little chance of actually owning the property which i was being asked to pay for,....instead went to Yalikavak on the Bodrum peninsuiar and bought a holiday home there, no complaints so far and i really do own the property too.

littlejohn


Joined: 09/03/2009
Posts: 316

Message Posted:
01/09/2009 01:44

Not a lot wrong with Turkey or TRNC apart from whingeing Brits.

Brinsley


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Message Posted:
01/09/2009 02:05

Msg 32



Quite right too, chuck out all the Pakia's from NZ in fact Ringa Pakia!!!



Richard

Lazy days


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Message Posted:
01/09/2009 05:08

Hello peeps

Woodspeckie mess 10 glad you agree with me about the driving and crime, driving in any huge city is usually fraught with danger as in Istanbul and crime is everywhere in all large places just look at London, need I say more

I have driven and taxi'ed many places in Turkey and never once felt I was taking my life in my hands (cept London & Istanbul)

Ex pats have problems everywhere, maybe its because they are expats

Dustyrhodes

Your summing up is spot on well done you, very positive

Helot

Have you met big brian yet from the Anglo Turkish society if you have say hello to him from Alison & Jim you live in a beautiful spot

stockiefan


Joined: 04/05/2009
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Message Posted:
01/09/2009 08:03

Cant believe this thread, I was about to post a thread asking for comments on moving to turkey? Very interesting views thanks. Freinds of ours are selling in the TRNC and moving over, actually a few people we know are, we are thinking of doing the same. Is it out of the frying pan into the fire???

Woodspeckie


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Message Posted:
01/09/2009 12:15

Another thing going for Turkey are the number of flights to the airports there, Izmir, Bodrum, Dalaman and Antalya all have regular flights.

Hippo


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Message Posted:
03/09/2009 05:58

We have travelled fairly extensively around Turkey over the past six years mainly along the coast but with frequent protracted visits to the interior.

The climate contrary to what Lazy Days states is not similar the winters can be quite cold and wet especially the further North you go, summers are fairly the same as Cyprus.

We have quite a few friends who live and others who work there they are plagued with similar problems and bureaucracy that exists here.

For instance you can not buy a house that has a view of a Greek Island, you can not buy a house or land that is outside a recognised village or town.

there is a much smaller percentage of ex pats and winters can be quite lonely and desolate after the holidays makers have gone home.Yalikavak can be a ghost town in February.

You certainly need to speak Turkish after you move inland from the coastal belt, many of the villages and towns are still fairly primitive.

We seriously considered Turkey and as much as we love it and the

Hippo


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Message Posted:
03/09/2009 06:11

Continued

people I think it would be for us that is much more difficult to live in.

the cost of living for some things I agree is cheaper but there are many of the luxuries that we have become used to getting here not available.

Residency means that you have to leave the country every 90 days or if you have a 12 month contract or home owner you can purchase a residency permit.

Cars are much the same in price but petrol and diesel are much more expensive as is alcohol.

Western entertainment outside the tourist spots is virtually non existant.

balancing one place against another I prefer Cyprus.

I agree with many of the posters that sing praises about Ayvalik, Cesme,the Turquoise coast Fethiye and the many others that i could mention.

We spent three winters in Marmaris albeit in a yachting community but before settling on the mainland i would suggest you go and live there for a year, experience all the seasons before making a decision.

Only my opinion that is.

stockiefan


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Message Posted:
03/09/2009 08:04

Hippo,

Thanks, a very informative post, always best to get the views who have been there and got the t shirt.

Lazy days


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Message Posted:
03/09/2009 08:28

Hello Peeps

Hippo as Pips picked me up - let me now pick you up, please read my post a little more carefully this time MY WORDS WERE, 'the Turkish riviera is stunning the climate similar to TRNC' that is indeed completely true and as peeps who have lived and worked in Turkey for seven years we DO know, we have lived on the Black sea coast where it is much cooler even in Summer, but once again the Riviera is stunning and the weather similar to TRNC, the price of alcohol depending if you are part of the G&T brigade can be more expensive but a bottle of Efes or Carlsberg are average 4tl, petrol more expensive but car tax for heavier motors is a third of what it is here, as for the luxuries I for one dont need them, Oh and by the way most of them are readily available on the 'Riviera' coast.

Also you are misinformed about being unable to buy a house with a view of a Greek island, this is utter tosh ours when we lived at Pidgeon island Kusadasi had a wonderful view of a greek island

Lazy days


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Message Posted:
03/09/2009 08:42

Sorry, ran out of characters

Anyway it is each to their own but Helot has moved there and she backs up my words.

When WE decided to move abroad to live /work /retire we wanted to leave the so called luxuries of home behind us, yes we did enjoy the unspoilt TRNC but it has for us, become somewhat spoilt, however we are stuck with it for the forseeable future, our only wish is that it does not slip further down the road of becoming another Spain, little England / fish 'n' chips & greasy grub / boozy loud mouthed ex pats,

ok for some but not my idea of 'a little piece of heaven'

LOL

stockiefan


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Posts: 574

Message Posted:
03/09/2009 10:09

If Helot still reads this forum I would appreciate it if she would mail me, I am really interested in moving to Turkey. cheshiresteve@yahoo.com

chick


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Message Posted:
03/09/2009 11:04

Lazy days msg 41.



Your last paragragh sums it up in a nutshell. So true.

Woodspeckie


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Message Posted:
03/09/2009 11:33

We have friends living in Turgutries who look across to Kos and others who live in Yalikavak who look across to Kalymnos others who live in Cesme look across to Chios, all greek to me. There are ex-pats in Cesme who meet up at a Bar called No Problem he stays open all Winter for them, they have a quiz & bingo night, not for me but if that's what they want it's ok, I can do without the Western entertainment.

littlejohn


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Message Posted:
04/09/2009 00:07

Message 41 - so true but it is already too far gone !! Soon be like the south.

andre 514


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Message Posted:
04/09/2009 00:52

fairly soon you may not have to move at all to be "in turkey"



their foreign minister recently said the staus quo cannot continue

if the latest talks fail to produce any agreement

and there are hints that north cyprus would be annexed



imagine: the republic of "cyprus" suddenly facing an angry turkey,

when "prospecting for oil" in disputed waters...



do members think this would be a good or bad thing?



I'm a "don't know", just hope they don't ask us to drive on the right!

Hippo


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Message Posted:
04/09/2009 04:49

Lazy days, this was not supposed to turn into a slanging match but a couple of your statements and claims amaze me.

I could actually download for you the weather stats and prove that Turkey is a lot and I mean a lot wetter and colder during the winter months.

Pigeon island or Güvercin Adasi to give it its proper name off Kusadasi has very suspect views of Samos and you actually owned a house there????

Owning a house with a view of a Greek island I should have said was subject to approval by the Turkish Army.

I was not arguing the pro's and cons of lifestyle between TRNC and Mainland Turkey but you seem to have joined the sack cloth and ashes brigade.

Some of us like a choice, i am not advocating that Western Entertainment is a necessity neither are European luxuries but Turkey provides no where near the choice of those goods or pleasures if you want them.

As regards larger louts and yobs i sugest you walk in Ismailia Bodrum or fethiye on a summers day there are an awful lot

Hippo


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Message Posted:
04/09/2009 05:03

more of that type there than visit the TRNC. Turkey is a wonderful place i agree, warm hospitable people, a country that has a wealth of both archaeological and natural treasures.

It does have its down sides there is not the western feel of the TRNC, that make a lot of people here feel more comfortable, people should be aware of that when considering a move there.

Granted there are enclaves of Ex pats but on a much smaller scale than here Cesme as was quoted has a large Irish populace, Bodrum and Marmaris have many ex pat homeowners but many of them return home in the winter they certainly do not have the same level of all year occupancy that TRNC has.

OK, if you wish to 'go native; it is easier to do so in Turkey but its not for all of us.

Lazy days


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Message Posted:
04/09/2009 07:03

Hello Peeps,

Hippo no way was i wanting a slanging match either but MY statement was not about TURKISH weather in general it was about the part called the TURKISH RIVIERA and i merely stated that it was SIMILAR to the TRNC this should have been ok after all it was you that picked me up initially, (The climate contrary to what lazy days says is NOT SIMILAR ) mess 37.

We did not live in an enclave of ex-pats, preferring the company of locals for the majority of the time, and as i stated earlier that is the attraction for us, now you may think of that as a 'downside' but we most certainly do not, you see we have done the Spain thing, the greek island thing, the Thai thing, the French thing and much more, all the time trying to get ourselves a bit removed from the English thing, but it keeps finding us :(

Any way the turks would have you in jail wearing a jacket like that, hang loose and chill, LOL

tulik


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Posts: 220

Message Posted:
04/09/2009 08:28

Have a look at http://www.southcoastturkey.com



They are part of the North Coast realty group in Kyrenia. Very knowledgeable and honest.

Hippo


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Message Posted:
04/09/2009 08:38

Dear Tulik

Its just an advert for another estate agent they are not going to of course paint a pretty picture aren't they.

sporty


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Message Posted:
05/09/2009 00:20

where in turkey do the ferries that leave NC go,i was thinking of maybe buying another place in turkey and then flitting between the two via the ferries for a few months of the year?

Ciftlikhall


Joined: 19/09/2009
Posts: 3

Message Posted:
19/09/2009 14:49

Helot, I see that you have moved to Turkey recently. We have gone to the Fethiye area from Lapta but, as yet, haven't shipped our household goods. Did you have yours shipped over and, if so, who did you use? It has been a nightmare trying to find a shipping company that will do give us a quote and some advice.



June

andrew4232



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Posts: 1543

Message Posted:
19/09/2009 21:21

i have have just moved from turkey to here anyone that thinks of going there is stupid

trent5761


Joined: 19/09/2009
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Message Posted:
20/09/2009 00:13

Its only doom andgloom if you think negative ,been going to Turkey for over 10 years not a patch on TRNC for peace and tranquility.

No 1 tip Leave your COMMONSENSE in the car when you park up at the Airport ,

No2 Dont listen to Half the dim witted drunk and bored and aggravating Ex- pats on this site

Been here 7 years its what you make of it

littlejohn


Joined: 09/03/2009
Posts: 316

Message Posted:
20/09/2009 02:08

Please don't spoil Turkey as well as TRNC. Go back to UK. Someone complained about Russians - that's how I see Brits - loud, ignorant , boorish and a pain in the ar*e!!

BeeBop


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Posts: 70

Message Posted:
20/09/2009 09:47

Thinking of moving to Turkey we can help with advice on shipping, buying property, residency, reasonable priced property, rentals etc. Look no further for help.

Turkish and English speaking. Contact us on 0533 8614350 for more details and information.

Woodspeckie


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Message Posted:
20/09/2009 11:12

There is as much peace and tranquility in Turkey if you know where to go, been to Turkey 36 times in the last 20 years, keep away from the tourist areas and you have it made.

Ciftlikhall


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Message Posted:
20/09/2009 14:48

Gosh, littlejohn. We aren't intending to spoil anything.....just live there. Not every Brit is as bad as you describe. Perhaps you should broaden your horizons a little!



June