The first House Lottery in North Cyprus

Kantara


Joined: 28/05/2007
Posts: 661

Message Posted:
25/09/2009 20:34

This could be an very easy way to win a house..



http://www.hausverlosungonline.eu/



Good luck!



Kantara

AlexF065


Joined: 07/09/2009
Posts: 271

Message Posted:
25/09/2009 20:39

win trhe lottery and a load of problems

Kantara


Joined: 28/05/2007
Posts: 661

Message Posted:
25/09/2009 20:42

I will try to win the house without any problems.....

Brinsley


Joined: 04/04/2009
Posts: 6858

Message Posted:
25/09/2009 20:48

What a rip off! If anyone is gullible enough to part their dosh on this one they need to be committed, permanently!



Richard

DutchCrusader



Joined: 19/05/2008
Posts: 11281

Message Posted:
25/09/2009 22:02

You should check the Northern Cyprus boards for this house (some 4-5 years) ago, which was "won" (after a bl**dy lot of problems) and which was never build or given to to the winner. Don't be blind or stupid, people. Don't get mixed up in scams.

P.S. The builder of the won "house" (4-5 years ago) left the island and now lives happily in England. The tears are here.

Kantara


Joined: 28/05/2007
Posts: 661

Message Posted:
25/09/2009 22:14

This house was not won - I know the owners - they built it theirselves and only want to sell it because they want to go back to Germany.

DutchCrusader



Joined: 19/05/2008
Posts: 11281

Message Posted:
25/09/2009 22:21

Viel Glück und auf Wiedersehen. One cannot trust any "interesting offer" in Northern Cyprus. Phone numbers of cheated people available.

kibsolar


Joined: 14/09/2008
Posts: 552

Message Posted:
25/09/2009 22:23

to be honest, this did work in austria and also in germany in the last 2 years, it started in the uk.. it could work also in trnc - if the house is finished and if serious people are behind this action - and all is transparent. But, it wonders me, the house is worth 300 000 euros. They will try to sell 10 000 lottery tickets for each 79 euros.. so, basic maths: 79 x 10 000 Euros is 790 000 euro. Not a bad deal. I dont know the company in the freeport - I have no clue. so this should not make the deal bad or good. just my view.



BTW: I am doing the same. The only condition is: All 10 000 tickets must be sold for the lottery. If not, it just wont happen (prob I give you back your money). If all tickets are sold - I will build the best house in TRNC ever seen.. (worth 500 000 Eu - 200 000EU for my pocket) A ZERO Energy House - Energy Globe Awarded http://kibsolar.com/content/eng/eg2006.html

Anyhow, its a joke from my side but who knows. anyone intrested in sendig me 80 Euros?? Have

Brinsley


Joined: 04/04/2009
Posts: 6858

Message Posted:
25/09/2009 22:28

kibsolar



Take a post dated cheque?!



Richard

DutchCrusader



Joined: 19/05/2008
Posts: 11281

Message Posted:
25/09/2009 22:32

RE msg 8, kibsolar: Do you take Dutch Guilders? I'm prepared to send you 800.001 Dutch Guilders.

kibsolar


Joined: 14/09/2008
Posts: 552

Message Posted:
25/09/2009 22:33

the house worth 300 000 Euros but the lottery will not happen unless they sell 6999 tickets.. mh.. Thats 552,921Euros. worth of ticket sells.. Anyhow.. dont think thats a con as everything seems ok, but thats 150 000 - 200 000 to much for the house. Thats a point I dont agree with.. Good luck, viel Glück. Anyhow. What about my offer?

kibsolar


Joined: 14/09/2008
Posts: 552

Message Posted:
25/09/2009 22:37

we are used to deal with TRNC cheques, so whats more worse? post dated cheque or TRNC cheque? no guilders please.

good night

DutchCrusader



Joined: 19/05/2008
Posts: 11281

Message Posted:
25/09/2009 22:40

OK, kibsolar: No Guilders, but how about 700.000,50 DM? Bitte?

Brinsley


Joined: 04/04/2009
Posts: 6858

Message Posted:
25/09/2009 22:42

Cash rich in $NZ, Okay?



Richard

exnavalperson


Joined: 22/07/2009
Posts: 224

Message Posted:
25/09/2009 22:46

It's a scam. The last house lottery was conducted by Reg of Allahkerim who promptly decamped to U.K. with the proceeds. Have nothing to do with this.. YOU HAVE BEEN WARNED>

DutchCrusader



Joined: 19/05/2008
Posts: 11281

Message Posted:
25/09/2009 22:49

RE msg 15, exnavalperson: (...) Have nothing to do with this.. YOU HAVE BEEN WARNED (...)

=> You don't mind a repeat, exnavalperson, do you? OK. "Have nothing to do with this.. YOU HAVE BEEN WARNED".

kibsolar


Joined: 14/09/2008
Posts: 552

Message Posted:
25/09/2009 22:51

oo.. common guys.. why should this be a scum? read it all, there is a trust account, the house is ready to move in.. No Reg or others involved. Hans, yes. DM I take! I can still change it down in germOnEy, so send me the money, we do 50/50.. I will think about the house raffle.. enough said here..

Brinsley


Joined: 04/04/2009
Posts: 6858

Message Posted:
25/09/2009 22:57

kibsolar



'why should this be a scum?' (sic) Because it's devised by scum!



Richard

Kantara


Joined: 28/05/2007
Posts: 661

Message Posted:
25/09/2009 23:00

Thanks kibsolar for reading the website carefully!



Warum sollte es nicht funktionieren?



Regards

Kantara

DutchCrusader



Joined: 19/05/2008
Posts: 11281

Message Posted:
25/09/2009 23:02

RE msg 17, kibsolar: (...) Hans, yes. DM I take! I can still change it down in germOnEy, so send me the money, we do 50/50 (...)

=> Sie sind zu schnell! 50/50? Hmmm. Nochmal: 40 (Sie)/60 (ich)? (DM, nicht Holländische Gulden).

Kantara


Joined: 28/05/2007
Posts: 661

Message Posted:
25/09/2009 23:03

@Brinsley



Do you know the owner of this house? Or why are you writing in such a negative way about his idea?

DutchCrusader



Joined: 19/05/2008
Posts: 11281

Message Posted:
25/09/2009 23:10

RE msg 21, Kantara: Can you trust *yourself* in Northern Cyprus?

Kantara


Joined: 28/05/2007
Posts: 661

Message Posted:
25/09/2009 23:14

Yes I do Dutch..since 16 years....

Brinsley


Joined: 04/04/2009
Posts: 6858

Message Posted:
25/09/2009 23:15

Too late into the night to count the numerous spelling and grammatical errors posted on Msg 1 link. Apart from looking like Sofia Loren and her Italian Mafia connections, how is Nigeria?



Richard

Kantara


Joined: 28/05/2007
Posts: 661

Message Posted:
25/09/2009 23:16

Sorry for my bad english Richard.

DutchCrusader



Joined: 19/05/2008
Posts: 11281

Message Posted:
25/09/2009 23:19

RE msg 23, Kantara: (...) You are German, I guess, suppose and presume. Why are you promoting and defending this http://www.hausverlosungonline.eu/ ?! Many people lost money 4-5 years ago and this only looks like a repeat. Are you one way or another involved?



RE msg 15, exnavalperson: (...) Have nothing to do with this.. YOU HAVE BEEN WARNED (...)

=> You don't mind a repeat, exnavalperson, do you? OK. "Have nothing to do with this. YOU HAVE BEEN WARNED".

Kantara


Joined: 28/05/2007
Posts: 661

Message Posted:
25/09/2009 23:24

I know the owner Dutch and I don't see any bad background.

But I am not involved and I only wanted to give the information to the public.



And because I don't earn anything from this I will stop now writing about this.



I am a German Cypriot and nobody has the right to blame me for my bad english.



Take care

Kantara

DutchCrusader



Joined: 19/05/2008
Posts: 11281

Message Posted:
25/09/2009 23:25

RE msg 25, Kantara: (...) Sorry for my bad english Richard. (...)

=> I defend Kantara now. Richard, your French is lousy, but your German would wake the late Kaiser.

DutchCrusader



Joined: 19/05/2008
Posts: 11281

Message Posted:
25/09/2009 23:43

REW msg 27, Kantara: (...) I am a German Cypriot and nobody has the right to blame me for my bad english. (...)

=> Well said, Frau Kantara! You wrote/posted your message before I posted msg 28 - but I agree 100%. Who do they think they are, these Brits and other imperialists, like Brinsley, who only learned one language from the time they were trown into their cradle?

Brinsley


Joined: 04/04/2009
Posts: 6858

Message Posted:
25/09/2009 23:51

Hans



Been on the Dutch gin tonight? I haven't even tried to write a French word this evening! Kantara now says she is not involved but providing information about, what I perceive to be another great scam. All monies go into a trust, so name and provide all contact names and numbers of the trustees, please! I think this will not happen. Why? IT'S A SCAM!



Richard

Kantara


Joined: 28/05/2007
Posts: 661

Message Posted:
25/09/2009 23:52

Danke Dutch..



nun musste ich doch mal laut lachen....



Viel Spass noch!

Kantara

Smity



Joined: 14/09/2009
Posts: 826

Message Posted:
25/09/2009 23:56

A wise old man once said



IF IT SOUNDS TO GOOD TO BE TRUE THEN IT PROABLY IS



Buyer beware

proger1



Joined: 18/04/2009
Posts: 2919

Message Posted:
26/09/2009 00:18

You are absolutely right about us british and the language thing Dutch but there are reasons why we don't speak other languages unless we chose to.

1/ We are on an island which only has 1 modern language but about 50 dialects that are hard enough to follow for most.

2/ English is the international language for the most part and we get taught French as a second language for a short period and no other choices until we prove our aptitude for French.

3/ We are just to self obsessed with being important that we would rather fight with each other than learn to understand others.



I could probably tell you that in german although badly but as I never had any education on German literacy, only vocab in my local bar but it would be nigh impossible for me to write it down.

I have endevoured to learn what I can of the native language of wherever I have been but for short periods that is not easy. Does it make me a bad person ???

Lilli



Joined: 21/07/2008
Posts: 13081

Message Posted:
26/09/2009 00:33

prodg you could never be a bad person. i Understand some german and speak so little but to write it is another matter. However I would not part with one mark here. After the last one. No charity commision no trustees etc where coulld we go to if this is a scam

proger1



Joined: 18/04/2009
Posts: 2919

Message Posted:
26/09/2009 00:49

Lilli,

Thanks. I speak English (Badly), Doric (Terribly, if you ask my mother), Russian (Malinki gavaroo), german (bissien) and touches of others but I am nowhere near the colloquial standards of the likes of DC and many other Europeans but I tip my hat to them. I try to speak russian and end up throwing german words in now and again through confusion so trying to speak the languages to their standards and be able to write then is well impressive.

You and many others may be right about the fact that this is a scam but people either will or won't fall for it however the poster, Kantara might for a change just have been genuinely trying to help and as usual got shot down for it. Happens a bit too much lately on the forum for my liking hence my lack of posts recently, there are a few too many people on here that it seems would ratrher lea all over someones posts without knowing a thing about them. Sad but true I'm afraid

That's why I advised freinds not to use the forum, wrongly maybe

Brinsley


Joined: 04/04/2009
Posts: 6858

Message Posted:
26/09/2009 00:55

Paul



Behave yourself, look at Msg1 link carefully (again) and I hope you come to the same conclusion that I did!



Richard

proger1



Joined: 18/04/2009
Posts: 2919

Message Posted:
26/09/2009 01:20

As I said Richard, you are most probably correct but I was just trying to point out that so many times people get jumped on for giving what they believe is good advise, in this case it may well be deserved but when it comes to scams you can never be sure these days, after all I have eevry confidence that the $5000 I just sent Prince Umbugodoo of Nigeriastan to free up that 236,000,000 GBP he is going to split with me 50/50 is money very well invested.



Paul

Lilli



Joined: 21/07/2008
Posts: 13081

Message Posted:
26/09/2009 01:28

What isnt a scam her, Prog love to you both and the lovely young lady xxxxx

proger1



Joined: 18/04/2009
Posts: 2919

Message Posted:
26/09/2009 01:39

Dare I say it without abuse for the mere mention of the name but Guido's is no scam.



Love back to both you and Guido, Luba and Alisa have allready booked me to drive them back up to see you both when I am available but I think that's partly for the pasta as well.

Brinsley


Joined: 04/04/2009
Posts: 6858

Message Posted:
26/09/2009 01:45

Paul, Paw, Poor or whoever, trying to find the real Paul working in the Middle East, writing on the link about the shooting stars a month or so ago but couldn't find it. He promised to setup my telescope on his return to TRNC! Oh well, too many intelligent Paul's to go round for just one Paul to know everything!



Richard

QweQwew


Joined: 02/08/2009
Posts: 60

Message Posted:
26/09/2009 03:13

Does it sound to good to be true?



is it to good to be true?





well im sure the F--k its to good to be true!



message 1.3.6.19.21.25.27.31



so how many tickets will you buy?



poppycock. scammer scammer

your full of S---e



and you can try talking double dutch as long as you wish



im not convinced

DutchCrusader



Joined: 19/05/2008
Posts: 11281

Message Posted:
26/09/2009 08:49

RE msg 33, proger1: (...) Does it make me a bad person ??? (...)

=> How can I stick to our "truce" when you start asking me questions..?!

Cyprusraider


Joined: 08/04/2009
Posts: 99

Message Posted:
26/09/2009 09:19

Wow. What an interesting reaction. I can fully appreciate how many people feel having been ripped off but I was not truly aware of the vehemence that this has generated. I suppose that since my family ( London Cypriots) were ripped off in 1985, long before any of you lot, that the feelings of anger have subsided enough for me to think about trusting strangers again.



My reading of the situation is this . Some ex-pats, no doubt fed up with "friendly" Northern Cyprus have decided to decamp, and go home. They are putting up their home in a lottery. They appear to want to make a profit. SO WHAT?. Our "Risk" is 80 Euros. A lot of money but not enough for a weeks shopping in Lemar. A big plus point for these guys is the fact that they do not appear to be Cypriots, Brits or Turks.For all of whom I have the greatest admiration but would not trust as far as I could throw them. I also want to make a fast buck and so I will buy TWO tickets. Who knows. I might even win.

Kantara


Joined: 28/05/2007
Posts: 661

Message Posted:
26/09/2009 09:42

Good morning.



I don’t want to talk again about the house lottery because with sending this link I only wanted to help a friend who thinks this is a legal way of selling his house.

If the system will work – I don’t know – I only know that I did not do anything bad.



But I would like to express how much these kind of answers made me feel sad.



I am living and working here nearly 20 years together near to my Cypriot family and I am a member of this board since 2,5 years.

I think when Izzet started with Cyprus44 his concept was to help people who loves North Cyprus with advices and bring people together who wants to learn something about our island.

That was the reason for me to sign up.

Off course I am in the lucky position that I don’t have the problems with the paperwork for all the permissions for living and working here.

But I tried to help with small things and answered many mails which members wrote to me.



I never assent that English is my mother tongue and I did not

Kantara


Joined: 28/05/2007
Posts: 661

Message Posted:
26/09/2009 09:44

know that I am going to be blamed for it.

I don’t understand why somebody offends me just for giving a kind of information to this board.

I feel sorry that we don’t talk about contents but get personally offended.



Now you can count all the grammatical errors, put them into a pot and let’s make a raffle out of it! Hopefully this will be legal!



And for the people who are really interested in Cypriot culture: Nil Burak is one of our most splendid singers from North Cyprus. Not Sophia Loren.



Take care

Monika

Smity



Joined: 14/09/2009
Posts: 826

Message Posted:
26/09/2009 11:27

I thinkm DC & Projer 1 should meet a dawn with water pistals and sort out there differances.



LOVE THY FELLOW MAN or WOMAN JUst so long as they are not married to someone else LOL

DutchCrusader



Joined: 19/05/2008
Posts: 11281

Message Posted:
26/09/2009 11:36

RE msg 46, Smity: (...) I thinkm DC & Projer 1 should meet a dawn with water pistals and sort out there differances. (...)

=> Proger1 and I live in peace on this board. We agreed to avoid each other in threads and so keep the differences hidden from annoyed board members.

P.S. I just read that he offered to drink a beer somewhere (I missed it in former threads!) and I am pleased to accept the invitation - if still standing...

Cyprusraider


Joined: 08/04/2009
Posts: 99

Message Posted:
26/09/2009 11:46

Seems to me you guys are "hijacking" this thread. Stay on subject please.

DutchCrusader



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Posts: 11281

Message Posted:
26/09/2009 13:01

Cyprusraider: you're right. I apologise. Back on topic.

zerochlor


Joined: 03/04/2009
Posts: 4024

Message Posted:
26/09/2009 13:25

can you please tell me what if in 1 month all tickets are not sold,and if in 12 months all tickets are not sold,will there be a given date to draw this lottery if all tickets are not sold,will it be a gamble also on the ticket sellers side,example,if only 4577 tickets are sold after 1 year,would this lottery be drawn?or is the gamble just 1 sided?OUR GAMBLE?

There must be a break off point to when the lottery must be drawn,otherwise knowing this island it could go on for years.

daisy dukes


Joined: 06/09/2008
Posts: 3815

Message Posted:
26/09/2009 13:32

Right, i would like to say a few things about house raffles. I know a little about this subject as i was going to do this with my own house...completely legitally...



First, you can ONLY conduct a raffle providing you go through a charity...this is the law!

When and if you find an agreeable charity (you agree an amount for the house, and all extra monies go to the charity) you then have to find an accountant who sets it up, then you go to the belediyesi where they print off the tickets.

It didn't work for me because the charity i approached said after the house price has been reached, they didn't think it would be worth their time....they wanted to be assured of quite a lot before they would put their name on it. So, my house wasn't worth their time or energy, and i was assured that all charities would feel the same way.



DD

kibsolar


Joined: 14/09/2008
Posts: 552

Message Posted:
26/09/2009 14:03

@ zerochlor: read message 8 and 11.. for the time table, drawing is one month after the point where all tickets are sold or after one year (oct. 2010) if more than 6999 tickets are sold..

Aratnak


Joined: 29/03/2008
Posts: 18

Message Posted:
26/09/2009 15:30

Hello @ALL



I have found nearly all informations on the homepage:



If you want you can follow the link -> Terms and conditions



You will find informations about:



1. Subject of the raffle

2. Registration number and trustee

3. Conditions of participation

4. Number of raffle tickets / chances of winning

5. Raffle ticket price

6. Date of raffle draw

7. Reversal of contract

8. Issue of raffle ticket number

9. Drawing the entry number

10. Informing the winner

11. Delivery of possession and transfer of ownership of the subject of the raffle

12. Costs and fees

13. Data protection etc.



I hope it will help.



Andy



P.S.: I will buy a ticket and I only help to find 6998 other people to do the same. ;-)



P.P.S.: And I hope you understand my bad and broken English, I'm a German.

renelapin



Joined: 19/05/2007
Posts: 136

Message Posted:
26/09/2009 16:06

The old problem again - people not able to read a homepage soundly can't wait to tear open their big yaps.

By the way - Germans are good for this, too.



Sorry for my bad English, but I'm just a German car mechanic.



Rene

proger1



Joined: 18/04/2009
Posts: 2919

Message Posted:
26/09/2009 19:22

Nothing wrong with being a car mechanic Rene !!!

Hector


Joined: 26/08/2008
Posts: 2352

Message Posted:
26/09/2009 20:39

Having had a look at the website, I can't find what title the property has. Is it 'exchange' and thus why the current occuppiers can''t sell and having to resort to this lottery? As a a matter of interest I read in the UK press recently of a £3million pound house being sold in exactly the same way.

Aratnak


Joined: 29/03/2008
Posts: 18

Message Posted:
26/09/2009 21:17

@Hector



It's a good question... I think it is a Turkish title... I will ask him and will let you know.

negativenick


Joined: 10/11/2008
Posts: 6023

Message Posted:
26/09/2009 21:21

absolute load of bo@@ocks



i'd rather give my money to Garry Monger's Missus for a charity sponsored slim....

Tenakoutou



Joined: 27/07/2009
Posts: 4110

Message Posted:
26/09/2009 21:39

The whole deal sounds like a 'No - No!'

Lilli



Joined: 21/07/2008
Posts: 13081

Message Posted:
27/09/2009 00:53

Hiya Daisy so much for charity. xxx

Blackpoolfan


Joined: 03/12/2008
Posts: 1568

Message Posted:
27/09/2009 13:20

The same thing happened a few years ago in the TRNC the owner sold 500 tickets at £20 each then had it away on his toes as did his brother who was the advocate on the sale. The winner of the raffle moved into his new house the water ran out, the building fell down (dodgy builders) the bank re-possessed the land (mortgage) Then to add insult to injury he was met by a guy on a bike called Cypriot Nick who claimed this was his lemon grove back in 1774 and he had come for his land and compo.



This could never happen just fantasy or is it ?????????

Hector


Joined: 26/08/2008
Posts: 2352

Message Posted:
27/09/2009 13:50

Perhaps we also have a new title to add to 'exchange', 'army', Turkish' being 'Walt Disney'

Andyman


Joined: 27/09/2009
Posts: 3

Message Posted:
27/09/2009 16:07

Hi @ALL

At first, yesterday I had to wrote with an old nic from my wife, because I could not sign up yesterday.

Aratnak = Andyman

Now I have my own nic...



***************************



I promised to inform you about the title:



The owner of the house informed me that it is a Turkish title. The land was purchased in 1980 by a Turk from the Evkaf and he bought it from him.



@Hector

I know the plot. You're right, it's so beautiful there. It could come from a wonderful Walt Disney film. ;-)

renelapin



Joined: 19/05/2007
Posts: 136

Message Posted:
27/09/2009 22:40

Andy, the flame of stupidness is hopefully burning high for short time. So lets look at the glimmer:



Why not gambling with EURO 80 ? You can't loose more than it, but you can win with a very good

quote.



In case of the hazzle being quit you get EURO 75 back.



This not a bad game. Ask the Christian Churches - they got a 2000 year old history of scam and murder - and the the only thing they gave back was warm farts hidden by dark clothes.



Again - please don't feel bothered by my bad English, I try my best.



Regards,



Rene

renelapin



Joined: 19/05/2007
Posts: 136

Message Posted:
28/09/2009 21:53

Hans, nochmal jetzt: Könnt ihr keine Gulden mehr in Euro tauschen ? Hast Du noch D-Mark ?

Vielleicht können wir da was machen ?



Gruß



Rene

henrik



Joined: 01/10/2009
Posts: 314

Message Posted:
08/10/2009 18:43

so, anything new here?

Kantara


Joined: 28/05/2007
Posts: 661

Message Posted:
09/10/2009 11:46

I bought one lot.

Andyman


Joined: 27/09/2009
Posts: 3

Message Posted:
22/10/2009 17:57

I bought a lot too.

henrik



Joined: 01/10/2009
Posts: 314

Message Posted:
22/10/2009 22:41

why dont you sell some on ebay uk and germany?? easy to do.. and maybe a good idea to get 6999 tickets sold..

Kantara


Joined: 28/05/2007
Posts: 661

Message Posted:
23/10/2009 10:51

Good idea Henrik,



I will pass this information on to the owner.

henrik



Joined: 01/10/2009
Posts: 314

Message Posted:
23/10/2009 12:27

I am full with good ideas

juliamoons



Joined: 14/05/2009
Posts: 849

Message Posted:
23/10/2009 13:55

5.1. The price of one raffle ticket is € 79,00 (in words: sixty-nine Euros)



Hmm is it 79 Euros or 69 Euros.

Kantara


Joined: 28/05/2007
Posts: 661

Message Posted:
23/10/2009 15:25

Good to know....

Kantara


Joined: 28/05/2007
Posts: 661

Message Posted:
23/10/2009 15:26

@ Henrik



Good to know....

Andyman


Joined: 27/09/2009
Posts: 3

Message Posted:
13/11/2009 11:23

Good news:



Our chances to win has become mutch better on



http://www.hausverlosungonline.eu/



The owner of the house has reduced the maximum number of lots from 9999 to 6999 and the minimum Number from 6999 to 4999!



May be he learned some thing...