militant islam in TRNC

timefore


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Message Posted:
22/10/2009 10:20

does anyone think that militant Islam will surface in the TRNC?

hattikins


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Message Posted:
22/10/2009 10:29

Not unless they can claim overtime for attending meetings.

hollie


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Message Posted:
22/10/2009 10:32

hahahahaha brilliant.

JohnW


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Message Posted:
22/10/2009 10:34

Not a chance. In the last year there have already been arrests at two mosques for teaching "Islam". Teaching by people who are not members of the teachers union is illegal.

sloan



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Message Posted:
22/10/2009 10:41

Timefore, are you asking the original question from a religious perspective or from a concern for public safety? Hope you don't mind my asking, but just curious.

No1Doyen


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Message Posted:
22/10/2009 10:53

Message 2. ) ) )

TopTen


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Message Posted:
22/10/2009 10:55

Look at the young people here and tell me if they are prepared to be told to abide to a dress code and how to conduct themselves in public

timefore


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Message Posted:
22/10/2009 11:05

sloan, just asking about islam in cyprus in light of the growing fundamentalism worldwide

Tenakoutou



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Message Posted:
22/10/2009 11:09

Does Gary Monger make his missus wear a burkah? - If not, sounds like he should!

ilovecyprus


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Message Posted:
22/10/2009 11:23

Militancy or terroism can happen in any religion. It is likley to rise up in individuals who are highly dogmatic, are incapable of holding a number of ideological perspectives and are not able to tolerate ambiguity etc. The conditions or context for igniting the militancy are social exclusion, a feeling of being discriminated against and a feeling of insignificance. At the same time radical groups converse in tight units which dont allow different perspectives in to the conversation. This means that the group moves to the very extremes of its views. Religion is often just the excuse or idea to propogate the militancy.



Turkey like Pakistan is fighting the war on terror but of course they still have their militant groups.



The ICG states that TC schools now have Islamic studies. This is probably no different to RE in English schools



My TC neighbour told me that the mayor of Karisiyaka wants woment to cover up etc, but he isn't getting any joy

timefore


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Message Posted:
22/10/2009 12:17

thanks for that insight ilovecyprus - interesting



timefore

ilovecyprus


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Message Posted:
22/10/2009 12:22

msge 11



you are welcome timefore

ianwfs


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Message Posted:
22/10/2009 12:28

Msg 10.



The mayor of Karsiyaka doesn't want women to cover up etc. In fact he is livid about the suggestion which was made during Bayram by the Imam. Not sure if he was a guest or the regular imam, but the point made by the mayor was that he was Turkish and had no authority to speak in that way.



Perhaps somebody who lives in Karsayaka has more information on the subject.

ilovecyprus


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Message Posted:
22/10/2009 12:31

msge 13



Sounds like my neighbour may have got the wrong end of the stick. The message may have got distorted on its way to Lapta

ilovecyprus


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Message Posted:
22/10/2009 12:35

ps It would make more sense for the Iman to make these comments, less so the mayor, particularly if the mayor is TC

henrik



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Message Posted:
22/10/2009 12:44

I am saying yes, reason: UBP - lots of TRNC friends of mine are very worried about this issues. UBP, god knows why, are allowing all kind of koran courses, and a greater Turkish influence in TRNC. They even managed to ban a well known Turkish Cypriot speaker from Telly. Saffet Soykal, the unhindered Turkish Cypriot voice was banned due to his language use! It was not "turkish" enough!

Having open vacations in schools with more than 500-1000 Turkish Cypriot applicants, UBP brought in mainland turk teachers.. Teacher Uninon went into strike.

I dont know what the UBP plan is - but its not a good one! The election promises are not on the run at all.. Free port in 100 days? Nothing! They did this 20 years before but unfortnatelly the mainland turk influence was to big.. Assuming that the population of TRNC is 53% "real" Turkish cypriot and 43% MLT. This is where UBP votes come from..

Many TCs are shouting out revolution hymes, facebook and the independent press is full with it.

ilovecyprus


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Message Posted:
22/10/2009 13:05

msge 16



Crickey :-(

Tiggy


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Message Posted:
22/10/2009 13:34

Let's hope it does not surface in the UK.

timefore


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Message Posted:
22/10/2009 16:40

interesting response henrik. We have lived here for four years now and have noticed the 'gradual' increase of religous teaching for school children - where will it end?

Rottolover



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Message Posted:
22/10/2009 17:01

Why should it end, timefore? The local people are Muslim, and their religion is a very large part of their lives.



My wife and I now own a lovely villa in Esentepe, and have come to really appreciate the local people as being very warm-hearted and laid-back about Islam. You may think it normal to be able to purchase alcohol and pork products at any supermarket, indeed at any village store as we can in Esentepe village, but believe me it isn't the norm in most other Muslim countries. Even modern westernised countries such as Bahrain, UAE, Qatar and Oman sell alcohol and pork products in only a few specialised locations.



But you should try Saudi Arabia. We have lived and worked there for five years, and I can assure you the repressive nature of the way Saudis practise Islam is a world away from TRNC. Be thankful for the culture you have there now, and don't begrudge them the learning of their religion.

ianwfs


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Message Posted:
22/10/2009 17:17

Msg 20



Rottolover, that's the whole point of this thread. We are in a moslem country. But it's a secular moslem country. The population of North Cyprus don't want to end up they way Sauudi Arabia has, and they see the increase in religious teaching, and the comments of the Karsayake Imam as the thin end of the wedge. They don't want any of it, but are frightened that it might be forced on them.

Rottolover



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Message Posted:
22/10/2009 23:05

ianwfs, by "the population of North Cyprus", do you mean the TCs or the ex-pats? I'm sure the ex-pats don't want an increase in religious teachings, as it's Islamic religious teachings we're talking about.



It all depends on exactly what kind of teachings they are, and on exactly who is doing the teaching. What exactly is "it" that they don't want any of, and that may be forced upon them?



It takes centuries of long-practised tradition for people to follow blindly the dictates of the clerics who decide what should be done, worn, seen, drunk, read or listened to. That kind of climate just doesn't exist in TRNC. Mashallah.

bazilbrush


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Message Posted:
23/10/2009 10:09

Mssage 10

My TC neighbour told me that the mayor of Karisiyaka wants woment to cover up etc, but he isn't getting any joy.



My neighbour told my misses to cover up or get frosted glass in the bathroom.

timefore


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Message Posted:
24/10/2009 12:34

rottolover I certainly do not bregrudge anyone their right to religious teaching - I just posed the simple question regarding militant islam and the possibility of it occuring here thats all

timefore


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Message Posted:
24/10/2009 13:10

begrudge even

ilovecyprus


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Message Posted:
24/10/2009 14:22

Turkey really is an interesting country. Secularism is also alive and well in Turkey.



Turkey is peddling its TV programmes across the Middle East. Apparently Arab viewers are captivated by a Turkish Soap called 'Noor'. The soap is about an emancipated woman and a blue eyed blonde former male model (the hero).



To cut a long story short

*Arab tourists are visiting the area (Bosphurus) where the series is made

*It has prompted a large number of divorces in the Arab world as female viewers compare their own husbands to the hero

*A Jordan man dumped his wife after he caught her with the heros picture on her mobile phone

*A guy in Syria divorced his wife when she said she would like to sleep with the hero for just one night

rocking


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Message Posted:
24/10/2009 17:08

The imman spoke on the first day of Bayram and said that the men in Karsyaka should make their women cover and that he was disgusted that they shopped where alcohol was on sale etc., etc., Have to say the men in the village (or majority) thought he had overstepped the mark and one or two told him so. He left for Turkey the following day on holiday, do not know whether he has yet returned or whether a new imman will be sent here. I did notice at a wedding in the square in Karsyaka about 2 months ago many women were wearing the turban that is quite different from just the scarf - and some of these women I had seen about with the scarf only, now taken to wearing the turban. I think it says in the Koran 'dress modestly' not cover yourself. Also love these turban wearers that have all their faces highly made up surely that is attractive to men - why bother with the hair.!!!!!!!!

Coachie



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Message Posted:
25/10/2009 16:12

Rottolover..I think it all depends on who is doing the teaching.Get one of these back to basics preacher and you will soon have trouble on your hands.They do not like any of their flock to have the slighest Western bias.It all starts withthe kids and the younger people.Look at NI every time you saw any trouble on the TV it was always kids who were throwing the petrol bombs and then when one of them was killed it was the cruel British soldier who did not care.Religion has been used for decades as an excuse for violence and I doubt it will ever stop...