President Christofias likens Turkey to Nazi Germany

malsancak


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Message Posted:
30/10/2009 19:37

and that's coming from a Communist - read http://www.nytimes.com/2009/10/30/world/europe/30iht-cyprus.html?_r=1

Mal

winslow


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Message Posted:
30/10/2009 20:57

Christofias is an experienced diplomat İ am surprised at this statement. Speaking on the NTV channel, Talat said a major point of contention was the conflicting visions the two sides had on the structure of the "bi-communal federation" that Cyprus is to become in case of a settlement. The Greek Cypriots, he charged, "have gone beyond parameters set by the UN, making a different interpretation of bi-zonality"

18:55 TURKISH CYPRIOT SPOKESMAN CRITICIZES GREEK CYPROIT LEADER OVER REMARKS ON TURKEY

Turkish Cypriot presidential spokesman severely criticized Friday remarks by Greek Cypriot leader Demetris Christofias who has likened Turkey-EU relations to "Nazi appeasement" 1930s.

"Christofias' remarks showed once again what his thoughts really are and what the goal of the Greek Cypriot side is in its international activities. Christofias made it very that his intention is to provoke the the European Union against Turkey in a hope to gain leverage in the Cyprus problem Ercakci

girne 29


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Message Posted:
30/10/2009 23:20

Pathetic. Please stay in Cyprus leave us in Europe alone. Dont involve us in your petty point scoring,there is too much for us to be getting on with and you are taking up the EU's time on matters that are irrelevant to us at this time.

If you got a problem, sit down with Talat. Give Brussels peace to get the economy back on track.



We have moved on since the 1930's ,you should do the same!! You aint no Poland !

winslow


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Message Posted:
30/10/2009 23:52

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Could you please explain yourself a little bit better who are you reffering to...'please stay in cyprus leave us in Europe alone!'.. and... 'you are taking up the EU's time on matters that are irrelevant'... and... 'you should do the same!! You aint no Poland ! ....Please clarify

girne 29


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Message Posted:
31/10/2009 01:22

Winslow

I am referring to Mr C, and I should have said EU instead of Europe,.

ROC has representation in Brussels sufficient for its needs. Mr C should stay away from EU and let us sort out more pressing problems,instead of trying to involve the EU in an argument with Turkey with whom we have very good relations with at the moment. Its not the first time this has happened.



It is irrelevant to Europe as it is a UN problem and only got EU involvement due to ROC becoming a member.

Ultimately he has to negotiate with the TRNC and he should stay in Cyprus and do just that instead of dragging up the thirties.

The bit about" him doing the same " means just that.The member states of the EU have moved on from who did what in the past.



The" you aint Poland", was indicating that if Mr C thinks that by comparing Turkey with Nazi Germany he can get similar support albeit politcal rather than military that Poland got ,then it wont work . ROC isnt Poland and Turkey isnt Nazi Germany.

winslow


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31/10/2009 12:17

girne 29

Thank you İ agree. The gates of Vienna are becoming rusty Why..peace, reconcilation and energy. Turkey has catapoleted on to the diplomatic world stage for peace and energy in the region. İf it realises its dream of becoming a peace broker and energy hub for oıl and natural gas from the surrounding regions then RoC arguments will pale into insignificance compared to the energy needs of Europe. France is droping the term 'privalege partnership' and the Germans agree. They want to open the chapter on energy. Erdogan is playing his cards beautifully. The Europeans need a solution or they risk a much more costly solution in terms of energy the future. İf these pipelines are buılt it will herald Europe needing Turkey.

The ports issue İ believe they should open them İf they don't get a fair response they can always shut them again. That would put RoC on the back foot.



The mantra 'the terrible Turk' may be consigned to the past the gates ma

karakum5c



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Message Posted:
31/10/2009 13:23

The Greeks were the ones who surrounded the Turkish population forcing them into ghettos



The Greeks were the ones who set up camps to hold Turkish people



The Greeks were the ones who came in the middle of the night to take people never to be seen again







Adolf Hitler would have been proud of them !

winslow


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Message Posted:
31/10/2009 14:39

Karakum5c

You are right they did do all this. But İ don't think Christofias mean't it in those terms that would be political suıcide. He was trying to draw a parallel assessment Appeasement is "the policy of settling international quarrels by satisfying grievances through rational negotiation and compromise, avoiding armed conflict. The term is most often applied to the foreign policy of British Prime Minister Neville Chamberlain towards Nazi Germany between 1937 and 1939. Turkey is a strong and powerful nation with its armed forces. But it is not that. Turkey is making serious efforts in the field of energy and the Europeans are fearful of 'energy blackmail' Christofias knows that the Nabucco is to be built across Turkey and Georgia. Europe desperately needs all the energy it can lay its hands on. Whenever gas bound for Europe disappears somewhere in Ukraine, Russia turns the valve off. Europe then remains without gas and is swindled out of its gas it needs.

girne 29


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Message Posted:
31/10/2009 14:50

winslow



The ports being open to ROC vessels would be of major economic value to them ,especially for their tanker fleet,2nd or 3rd in size in EU. Look at the ships that go through the Bosphorus ,2000 approx every month, never mind other ports.

Due to the long term nature of shipping contracts,once ROC shipping companies had entered into agreement with customers, it would be inconvenient and costly to then find that Turkey had decided to close the ports again,and something the money men would wish to prevent.





With this knowledge I see no problem with Turkey opening its ports and wait and see how the gesture is reciprocated. They can close again in hours.

It would also give Turkey the high moral ground as regards Cyprus problem. Though to be honest, I think the people of a cold western europe might be more concerned later , that ROC ,a country many think should not have got into the EU after Annan failed,is using its membership to interfere in the energy chapter.

winslow


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31/10/2009 15:55

girne 29

İ am aware of the size of their fleet and economic benefits it will generate them. İt will like wise also benefit Turkey financially. But if we turn the argument around a little it should enable shipping moguls to put pressure on the RoC and others to find and effective solution. Yes it would be inconvenient and costly to then find that Turkey had decided to close the ports and something the moguls would wish to prevent. That's why they should open these ports and use the shipping moguls political clout to their advantage. They will not want to lose the advantages to be gained by the opening of the ports. Yes the RoC and greece is using its membership to interfere in the energy chapter. But it will fall on deaf ears as all the various pipelines are completed and refineries are built. Europe needs energy and they will not wish to go without in future to satisfy the asparations of the RoC even though a member of the EU. There is a bigger picture the whole of the EU.