My friend who is a TC's says

taraspring


Joined: 25/01/2009
Posts: 571

Message Posted:
08/12/2009 01:53

He has always been a loyal TC but he believes the system is rotton to the core from Dentas downwards.

He has tried to hard to investigate the corrupt people without sucess but he says.....

If you know someone there - you can move the earth, if you have a sister, brother. uncle or cousin "in the know" you will be OK. If you dont you won't.



He was in the army, he was in the Mucahit. He fought hard for peace.

He loved his Country but not now.

He was born long before these greedy people. builders, lawyers, developers and politicians.



He says they are so rotton, they fleece everyone, including their own kind who live abroad

They will eventually lose Cyprus and it is all their own fault for lining their greedy pockets. Shame on them. They should be so so ashamed treating their fellow countrymen and expatriots in the way that they do.



I believe in him.

He is an "OK" guy.

He tells the truth, as it is.

TRNC has let him down.

Tx

Dixie Normus


Joined: 22/02/2008
Posts: 820

Message Posted:
08/12/2009 07:48

Good to see a local man who accepts and is appauled by what is happening in his own back yard. I look upon this country as a child who has recetly reached puberty and is embarking on those terrible teen years, needs a good slap now which can only benefit its attitude in years to come. Left unchecked and it will be off the rails. Corruption and nepotisim are a product of an unchecked goverment system that will not be resolved until the private sector is seen as a better earning vehicle, and we are going to have to wait for the goverment to go bust for that to happen.



D.N

fiendishpaul


Joined: 18/05/2008
Posts: 1720

Message Posted:
08/12/2009 07:56

Tara and DN



You have got it spot on. The only way that the TRNC can go forward is if the government leads by example and cracks down on corruption and nepotism. However, they need to get their own house in order first. I fear we will have a long wait.............



Paul

deecyprus4


Joined: 27/07/2008
Posts: 3452

Message Posted:
08/12/2009 09:23

I agree with tara and the others, the TRNC is corrupt from the top to the bottom and as a tc friend of mine said, it would serve them right if the greeks took it back..and at least that way the place would get sorted out properly cos this shower of idiots from the TV installers to the Internet ones have not go a frigging clue what they are doing.



They just see an opening in the market and rob ppl of their money by providing them with a shit product and service.



That from a TC says it all.

GreenArmy


Joined: 26/10/2009
Posts: 31

Message Posted:
08/12/2009 09:31

It's not much different in the south. There was a front page article in an English newspaper showing a Macdonalds sign in the north and claiming the place was a fake. Just around the corner from me in Larnaca is a shop with an identical Tesco Express sign above the store.

elkiton



Joined: 15/03/2009
Posts: 514

Message Posted:
08/12/2009 10:05

Hey let's all slag off the North again. If you want to look for corruption et al we should try a bit closer to home, like the EU who's books have not passed audit for how many years? and on a scale that makes the north piffling! With markets denied her, there is nothing that the TRNC can do to improve things, and a change of government will achieve very little as the politicians neither have a totally free hand, nor the experience of governing a country without receiving an ongoing handout from "mother", nor the environment in which to learn. All "North Knockers" try sitting down with a sheet of A4, put Income on one heading and Expenditure on the other, then join the dots to work out how you will generate several hundred million of TL in no time flat. And, after the beaches have been cleaned and the roads mended and the power cuts cured, and a few hundred tourists arrive, you will be even deeper in debit.

Stop whinging, be constructive, accept the problems or go back to the UK.

Tony

StGeorgeI


Joined: 27/08/2009
Posts: 973

Message Posted:
08/12/2009 10:22

Well said Tony. It's very easy to knock Northern Cyprus and the problems that it has, but people forget that the UK and other European countries are just as (if not more so) corrupt and on a much, much bigger scale. People ignore all the good efforts made by the Government to try and combat the rip-off merchants, the efforts to improve roads, the efforts to tidy the place up (I see gangs of council workers cleaning the roadsides almost every day along the main road)... YES there is still very much a 'if you know womeone then you will get things done' mentality here, but that is changing.



I love Northern Cyprus, it is now home to me far more than the UK... and for me the good pints deffinately outway the bad points. I think that some people forget why they left the UK in the first place... and if it was bad when you left then it is 10 times worse now!!!!

Cyprusactive


Joined: 20/05/2008
Posts: 128

Message Posted:
08/12/2009 10:56

StGeorgeI ....and for me the good pints deffinately outway the bad points ... Maybe that's why you're not seeing straight! Just joking!



As a family who have had to give up working and living in (and loving!) North Cyprus I have to agree with Tara: there may well be corruption elsewhere in Europe, but in North Cyprus it affects people individually. There are many of us who have been ripped off to the extent that we couldn't afford to stay, and worst of all, there is nowhere to get justice, like in the 'more civilised' countries.



If you haven't experienced any of this yourself than of course North Cyprus is a great place to live. Even with bad roads, litter, lack of water, you name it!

I.

yorkie58


Joined: 16/09/2008
Posts: 245

Message Posted:
08/12/2009 11:06

Just a reminder that this is a North Cyprus forum, why do people always bring the UK into it, if you want to discuss Uk corruption join a UK forum

deecyprus4


Joined: 27/07/2008
Posts: 3452

Message Posted:
08/12/2009 11:08

St George and Tony, you are looking through rose tinted glasses, I love the TRNC but it is corrupt, even the TC's say that, so your words fall on deaf ears.



I just love ppl who think the know better than the tc's, arrogance or what.

Woodspeckie


Joined: 25/01/2009
Posts: 2263

Message Posted:
08/12/2009 11:15

Msg.9 & 10. my feelings too.

StGeorgeI


Joined: 27/08/2009
Posts: 973

Message Posted:
08/12/2009 11:22

MSG 8 - Trust me, i have been here many years and know the island probably better than most. I don't see the island through tinted glasses and I definately know it has problems. And YES, I have been ripped off, on more than one occassion. But my point is that people get ripped off all over the world... corruption is everywhere. My Gran got conned by some builders in the UK to the tune of £15,000 and the people that carried out this crime?... well they now trade under another name after receiving a nominal fine. They ripped of many people, but somehow they are still trading after exploiting loop holes in the UK legal system and probably greasing a few palms along the way.



It's the attitude of 'bad roads, litter, lack of water' that gets me - people ignore the improvements that have been made. Compare the place to 10 years ago and you will see the improvements that have been made. The villages and roads are much more tidy with new path adn plants... and less litter!!! TBC

StGeorgeI


Joined: 27/08/2009
Posts: 973

Message Posted:
08/12/2009 11:28

...I am sorry that you had to give up your dream of living in Northern Cyprus and hopefully one day you will be able to return to that dream. We have to constantly balance the books to keep living in the place we love, but we have friends in the UK that are struggling more than us.



Yorkie msg 9 - people can compare the TRNC to anywhere they like surely. What i write is my business. I don't see anything in the forum rules that say you must not discuss the UK!!!!



And Dee... msg 10 - I definately DO NOT think I know more than the local TC's. But I am entitled to my opinion. Who are you to say that I am arrogant? All i am giving is my opinion as someone who has lived here for a long time and has been coming for even longer. Should i just agree then with everyone else so YOU don't think I'm being arrogant!!! Please....



G

DutchCrusader



Joined: 19/05/2008
Posts: 11281

Message Posted:
08/12/2009 12:12

RE msg 1, taraspring (...) the system is rotton to the core from Dentas (...)

=> You could at least try to spell the name right of the founding President of TRNC: H.E. Rauf Raif Denktaş (Denktash if you don't have Turkish characters on your computer). A man I respect for more than one reason - and I hope I'm not the only one on this board.

=> What good is it to write damaging messages about TRNC (often from the UK, I think) all the time?

Troodo


Joined: 12/06/2008
Posts: 1002

Message Posted:
08/12/2009 12:29

Do you think it is better in the South. God forbid they should ever join to gether.



Troodo.

StGeorgeI


Joined: 27/08/2009
Posts: 973

Message Posted:
08/12/2009 13:13

Well said DC (msg 15)... and someone accused me of arrogant!

Dixie Normus


Joined: 22/02/2008
Posts: 820

Message Posted:
08/12/2009 13:13

We can all put our heads in the sand and say things are wonderfull here, if the problems are not identified they cannot be addressed, corruption and crap service, if accepted as the norm can only get worse, its not a case of whinging I'd call it constructive critisisim. Things have improved here and are getting better, for that there is credit to be given, but problems that even locals can see as well as expats if not addressed will be a cancer in the body of this country for years to come.



D.N

deecyprus4


Joined: 27/07/2008
Posts: 3452

Message Posted:
08/12/2009 13:16

St George yes you are being arrogant if you just dismiss what the tc's think, they opinion comes before ours. Sorry but that is fact.

No1Doyen


Joined: 04/07/2008
Posts: 16617

Message Posted:
08/12/2009 14:38

I agree that you have to respect the opinion if this TC. However let's not lose sight of this in that it is only his opinion. I'm sure not all TC's have this same viewpoint.

StGeorgeI


Joined: 27/08/2009
Posts: 973

Message Posted:
08/12/2009 14:44

Dee - who said I am dismissing what the TC's think. I am under no illusion that my opinion comes before theirs. I am a foreigner in their country - however I am entitled to an opinion the same as everyone else. Maybe you are the ignorant one for not understanding that.

MarkVPiazza


Joined: 14/08/2008
Posts: 530

Message Posted:
08/12/2009 14:47

I think the difference in corruption between the UK/EU and Cyprus (north & south) is that in Europe it is at a high level, whilst in Cyprus it's at a level that affects everyone on a personal basis.



I think this is a particlar problem of small/island/closely linked communities.



Mark

lancashirelad


Joined: 18/09/2008
Posts: 74

Message Posted:
08/12/2009 18:02

StGeorgeI its either the tablets or the hot flushes or the fact shes got a big gob and thinks she nows evrything







Lancashirelad - Please be Polite to other members.

elkiton



Joined: 15/03/2009
Posts: 514

Message Posted:
08/12/2009 18:34

Hi message 10, not arrogance, just not prepared to take 3rd hand coffee shop chatter too seriously, and dont get too het up because somebody makes a post that you dont like....arrogant, ignorant and words of that ilk are personal defamatory's so lets keep our collective knickers on shall we?....Sorry that is being patronising lol

I think that corruption and politics go hand in hand, it becomes endemic, and that the TRNC suffers no more than any other regime, and they under a lot more pressure.

That was my message in response to you.

What would be interesting is to hear the argument from other side of the coffee shop, and that is around what they think will happen that is good for the North in the coming year, and how the politicians will hopefully step up to the challenges of the TRNC being recognised in some quarters...and that should start Marky off on one !!!

best regards

TonyE

PS my coffee shop must be a lot more positive than yours lol

PeppaPig


Joined: 04/01/2009
Posts: 89

Message Posted:
08/12/2009 18:34

I've just read this thread and laughed out loud. Anyone who has lived here for any amount of time will of course know that this country has it's fair share of problems. But equally anyone that is able to read/hear will also know that virtually every country in the world has it's problems. MarkVPiazza is correct, it's a small community, things might be more apparent, but surely doesn't make them more serious.

As for DeeCyprus, i think you're reading a different thread to everyone else, no one appears to be belittling the views or opions of Turkish Cypriots, but unless I've missed something,I dont think TaraSpring has done a country wide research project? I think she has the opinion of one single person. What i glean from the comments people have made, the ones that aren't jumping on the "lets have (yet) another dig at the TRNC" bandwagon that seems to prevalent on this forum, is that they are are pointing out that there are many good points to the island, and actually.........

PeppaPig


Joined: 04/01/2009
Posts: 89

Message Posted:
08/12/2009 18:41

they're pointing out that so much has improved over the last few years, quite a feat for a very small country that has suffered the way it has. Yes it's learning as it goes, but hey, it's doing pretty well in my eyes. I've been here for a long time, and seen such huge improvements it's astounding. Of course there are things that could be done better, differently etc etc.......but think we can all say that about most places we've lived.

Dee, you opening say you hate it here and want to leave, so you're probably not likely to see the whole thing objectively. TaraSpring, for what ever reason, you friend obviously doesn't like it here, that's fine. We all know people that live in a country and don't like it.

But opinions are just that. Whether it be your TC friend, or StGeorge or DutchCrusader. None of us are saying OUR opinion is the right one, we're just giving our opinion. But, for all the people that constantly go on about how terrible the island is, then maybe they.......

PeppaPig


Joined: 04/01/2009
Posts: 89

Message Posted:
08/12/2009 18:43

.....should either leave, or if they can't, then maybe put some of that energy that is spent moaning into doing something constructive to help the island improve itself.

Ha ha, that was only meant to be quick comment!!!

Geejay


Joined: 18/04/2009
Posts: 475

Message Posted:
08/12/2009 19:15

I agree elkiton (message 6). Living here, fairly isolated, it's easy to forget how corrupt the EC is and the nepotism that abounds within it. It's also undemocratic and financially incompetent.

The same is true of the UK parliament whose MP's also rip of the taxpayer as a matter of course and act arrogantly with no respect for public opinion.

There's some excuse for the faults that exist in the TRNC. After all it's some 30 years behind the UK in most things. However I believe in the ability of the people here to catch up with the rest of the world once the embargoes and lack of support are lifted.

deecyprus4


Joined: 27/07/2008
Posts: 3452

Message Posted:
08/12/2009 19:18

lancashirelad thankyou kindly for your words, all of them incorrect but that is a minor point to someone like you, enjoy your evening

Brinsley


Joined: 04/04/2009
Posts: 6858

Message Posted:
08/12/2009 19:25

What about the illegal working expatriates who are also fleecing the Country and their fellow countrymen!



Richard

Geejay


Joined: 18/04/2009
Posts: 475

Message Posted:
08/12/2009 19:41

Richard, Do you mean the British expatriates here or the Cypriot expatriates in the UK ? Or perhaps any expatriates in any country ? Corruption is a worldwide phenomenon.

MUSIN M


Joined: 26/06/2008
Posts: 1352

Message Posted:
08/12/2009 20:13

taraspring



he sounds like my uncle ,even the coffee shop owner is a member of the mafia .





made me laugh anyway.





musin



long live the kktc

DutchCrusader



Joined: 19/05/2008
Posts: 11281

Message Posted:
08/12/2009 21:36

RE msg 1, taraspring: By the way, are you willing to confirm that you are *not* Kay Dosman, banned here for 10 (or was it 14?) years? I seem to find some similarities in a certain text style on "the other board" (a lady boasting about being banned "but I write at C44 anyway, hehehe!") and your message here.

BillyB


Joined: 19/05/2008
Posts: 436

Message Posted:
08/12/2009 21:49

All countries are corrupt but some hide it better than others.

taraspring


Joined: 25/01/2009
Posts: 571

Message Posted:
08/12/2009 22:56

Hi all, this is not MY opinion, it is the opinion of someone in the senior years of his life, who, has, the majority of his life lived in NC. It is his opinion, and one he is entitled to.



Tony "Stop whinging, be constructive, accept the problems or go back to the UK." - He can't, NC is and has been his permanent home.



DC " What good is it to write damaging messages about TRNC (often from the UK, I think) all the time?" - I was asked to put this on by an indiginous member of the population. I don't have a turkish keyboard and spelt the name the best way I could.



Musin - he probably is! LOL



DC "RE msg 1, taraspring: By the way, are you willing to confirm that you are *not* Kay Dosman" - Yes, willing to confirm I am not her, whoever, she is?????????



Anyway I am glad you all didnt shoot the messanger. I was asked to put this on by this old fella who served his country and has an opinion to share and I did just that.

Tx

kaiserphil


Joined: 14/12/2008
Posts: 1096

Message Posted:
08/12/2009 23:04

Tara - good for you. I had a TC neighbour in his 80s who felt exactly the same.

Dixie Normus


Joined: 22/02/2008
Posts: 820

Message Posted:
08/12/2009 23:08

Good post Tara, I for one have a lot of respect for the older TC's, their values and love for their country is second to none, shame the same cant be said about some of the younger generation.



D.N

PeppaPig


Joined: 04/01/2009
Posts: 89

Message Posted:
09/12/2009 10:36

Tara are you not missing all of our points. We all very much respect Turkish Cypriots, old and young. And very much respect their opinions. Probably seeing as we're the ones defending the country, we respect it a lot more than some others on this forum. But again, your friends opinion is an opinion, it does not make it the only one. AND, even if all he says is totally correct, it also doesn't mean this country is bad.

What made your friend such a good person? His upbringing? His family? His friends? His experiences? Presumably these were mostly TRNC based......can't all be bad then can it.

StGeorgeI


Joined: 27/08/2009
Posts: 973

Message Posted:
09/12/2009 16:12

Well said PP...