What has happened to MMMMMM ?

vincent1


Joined: 20/07/2009
Posts: 212

Message Posted:
05/01/2010 06:57

Is 6m still banned from this forum or has he finally given up posting here. I know he was red carded by Alcancak Jackboot for telling the truth but I for one found his posts both intelligent and very imformative.

Long live freedom of speech !

deecyprus4


Joined: 27/07/2008
Posts: 3452

Message Posted:
05/01/2010 06:59

I agree, some didn't like him because he told the truth and as far as I remember he was only on a weeks ban but I am thinking he has thrown the towel in now.



Mark if you are reading, please come back, you are missed greatly xx

smithy


Joined: 17/07/2008
Posts: 5301

Message Posted:
05/01/2010 07:18

Come back Mark all is forgiven, (whatever you have done )

deecyprus4


Joined: 27/07/2008
Posts: 3452

Message Posted:
05/01/2010 07:28

Sheila he hasnt done anything at all, just got picked on for telling the truth x

erolz


Joined: 17/11/2008
Posts: 3456

Message Posted:
05/01/2010 09:08

As opposed to being 'picked on' for telling the same repeated lie over and over again.

No1Doyen


Joined: 04/07/2008
Posts: 16617

Message Posted:
05/01/2010 09:38

Vincent. "Long live Freedom of Speech" indeed. However as someone once said, we all have a natural right to make use of our pens as of our tongue, at our peril, risk and hazard.

Tiggy


Joined: 25/07/2007
Posts: 1994

Message Posted:
05/01/2010 10:05

I noticed mmmmmm was looking in on the online members list yesterday.



Hello Mark, hope all is well.



P.

PaulW



Joined: 20/07/2009
Posts: 651

Message Posted:
05/01/2010 12:28

Mark has been banned for 4000 days. I believe he said something DOPEY. I would like to think his ban could be reconsidered.



Paul

TheSaints



Joined: 28/01/2009
Posts: 1369

Message Posted:
05/01/2010 12:32

Mark told me that he can view the forum but can not post for a period of 4,000 day's, personally I think this is too harsh and agree with you Paul his ban should be reconsidered..........



Mike

proger1



Joined: 18/04/2009
Posts: 2919

Message Posted:
05/01/2010 12:38

WE MISS MMMMMM !!!!!!!



Please reconsider the almost 11 year ban.



I have gained some of the most useful information from Mark's posts and isn't that one of the main purposes of the 44 site.



Proger

TheSaints



Joined: 28/01/2009
Posts: 1369

Message Posted:
05/01/2010 12:46

As a matter of interest is there any update on the Dopi service how is it performing now? just thought I would ask as arguments about this service seemed to be the reason for Marks ban.......



Mike

proger1



Joined: 18/04/2009
Posts: 2919

Message Posted:
05/01/2010 13:01

Valid point Mike, banned for telling the possible future.



I seem to recall that punishment for being a seer was a common thing in history

No1Doyen


Joined: 04/07/2008
Posts: 16617

Message Posted:
05/01/2010 13:03

Paul, thats funny! ))

DutchCrusader



Joined: 19/05/2008
Posts: 11281

Message Posted:
05/01/2010 13:04

RE msg 12, proger1: (...) I seem to recall that punishment for being a seer was a common thing in history (...)

=> May I add one of my favourite sayings (I'm not the author): "If we learn one thing from history it's that we don't learn from history."

Ballyboffin


Joined: 25/08/2007
Posts: 903

Message Posted:
05/01/2010 13:13

I think we should start a petition to ' FREE THE MX6'



Lots of us love and miss you Mark XXXXX



Happy New Year to you and Veta.

TheSaints



Joined: 28/01/2009
Posts: 1369

Message Posted:
05/01/2010 13:34

What no further update at all on the Dopi service??????

Harold2555



Joined: 19/04/2008
Posts: 1139

Message Posted:
05/01/2010 13:37

Without any reference to the topic and for information purposes only I can point out that the 4000 day ban is what happens when someone is banned indefinitey.



Harold

Blackpoolfan


Joined: 03/12/2008
Posts: 1568

Message Posted:
05/01/2010 14:04

MMMMMM, A decent bloke and a font of knowledge eventhough he was a Leeds fan!!!! Could think of loads more to ban before him mmmmmmmmmm me for a start...........

minertor



Joined: 14/02/2009
Posts: 1238

Message Posted:
05/01/2010 14:07

Dopi working fine. Just been watching the test match on Sport 3. Still get the odd judder now and again.



Tony



Good win Sun. Eh, many M's.

eager


Joined: 23/02/2007
Posts: 1272

Message Posted:
05/01/2010 14:09

Msg 19, "surely we are all more grown up than that"...I think that you are giving some of the Moderators a bit too much credit. Bring back MM i say and less of the Mods interference.

rigsby


Joined: 21/09/2007
Posts: 912

Message Posted:
05/01/2010 14:11

mmmmmm,Is a football fan? Well bring him back!! I know he is a big F1 fan,even though he supports the wrong team/drivers.Happy new year Mark.

deecyprus4


Joined: 27/07/2008
Posts: 3452

Message Posted:
05/01/2010 14:20

I think we need to sign a petition to Izzet to reinstate Mark, he is one of the nicest posters on here, he is never ever nasty, ok we don't always agree with him but he told the truth and some people just can't accept that.



I bet we can guess which moderator banned him as well, turning into a proper little HITLER.





Can someone set up a petition or a vote of something,I don't know how to do it.



MARK WE MISS YOU XX

zerochlor


Joined: 03/04/2009
Posts: 4024

Message Posted:
05/01/2010 14:29

im sure marks wife veta can post for him if she chooses and uses his words,if he is really that botherd about posting at all.im sure he has plenty to do than worry about posting here,although he was a wealth of good info to us all.

do other forums get the so called DOS attacks that this site gets,and if not,i wonder why this forum attracts such attacks?

Food for thought for me

to many bannings and the like maybe!who knows?



Happy chlorine free swimming folks.

TheSaints



Joined: 28/01/2009
Posts: 1369

Message Posted:
05/01/2010 14:33

Mark can log on to the forum and read the posts



This is what Mark sees when he tries to post;



You are temporarily banned from posting on the forum by one of the forum admins.

Reason:

Ban expires on 04/12/2020 13:31:00 (3986 days 3 hours 5 minutes remaining)

Harold2555



Joined: 19/04/2008
Posts: 1139

Message Posted:
05/01/2010 15:01

Dee



Re message 24, you would be wrong in your guess.



Harold2555

No1Doyen


Joined: 04/07/2008
Posts: 16617

Message Posted:
05/01/2010 15:07

Eager. "Bring back MM i say and less of the Mods interference"



Unfortunately if we don't 'interfere' sometimes, it would be mayhem on here. Can you imagine it.



Lets look at it logically, we really do try and do our best in moderating the forum. You're never going to please everybody when you amend a post or close a thread. However it is done for a reason and whilst we all have different viewpoints on subjects we are not trying to upset forum members purposely.

AlsancakJack



Joined: 14/08/2008
Posts: 5762

Message Posted:
05/01/2010 15:15

Firstly it seems as though a lot of people think that I banned Mark. Not true and even Mark has apologised to me for accusing me of doing so, in fact I tried to warn him prior to his ban.

Secondly everyone likes to speculate as to the reasons for the banning of Mark and what I will say is the whole Dopi TV thing goes a lot deeper than any of you perceive. Mark was allowed to have his say but unfortunately he overstepped the line. There are some major implications resulting from Marks crusade against Dopi and it is not wise to keep bringing the subject back into the forum.

If you want to communicate with Mark there are other forums that he post's on and calling for his re-instatement on this board will fall on deaf ears.

AJ

gooligan


Joined: 30/01/2007
Posts: 1591

Message Posted:
05/01/2010 15:28

AJ, and *if* in the not too distant future he is proved correct what happens then?

eager


Joined: 23/02/2007
Posts: 1272

Message Posted:
05/01/2010 15:31

Msg 28, Yes i fully understand that there is a need for mods to step in sometimes and call a halt to certain posts if people are being abusive or racist etc..etc. Also understand that it must be a pain in the butt at times trying to keep order whilst at the same time allowing people to debate and have their say on things....But......in my opinion far too many post are closed on a Mod's whim when [again in my opinion] the conversation has nothing to do with them at all. Common sense must prevail....let people speak freely and frankly if they want to, your role is not to put a stop to what you do not agree with, your role is too step in if you deem things to be getting out of hand, nasty, abusive, etc. To ban someone for 4000days is churlish, childish and completley over the top, yet another instance of heavy handedness by the Mod's.

AlsancakJack



Joined: 14/08/2008
Posts: 5762

Message Posted:
05/01/2010 15:35

gooligan

I am stating facts. You make up your own mind about Marks anti Dopi rhetoric. I have made up my mind.

And knowing what I know I have paid for another year upfront.

AJ

jimmyG


Joined: 14/08/2008
Posts: 900

Message Posted:
05/01/2010 15:40

His length of ban is an absolute outrage. If he's overstepped the mark then by all means a ban is deserved - but for that legth of time?!!! How quickly those who have made this 'joke' of a decision have forgotten his advice on many technical issues which have helped a great many on this board and I would urge Izzet to be big enough & brave enough to reconsider the term imposed.

gooligan


Joined: 30/01/2007
Posts: 1591

Message Posted:
05/01/2010 15:41

AJ,are you stating facts or just repeating what the owner of Dopi told you?

Mark was correct about the other TV company last year,why doubt him now?

Satellite TV is his game and he knows more than you.I hope you get your money's worth,have you read the Villa owners board lately?

No1Doyen


Joined: 04/07/2008
Posts: 16617

Message Posted:
05/01/2010 15:41

Eager. I take on board what you are saying. I would like to say however that posts and threads are not closed on a 'whim'. We do think carefully about closing threads for the exact reasons that we have on here now. We don't like people 'having a go' at us and if we were to close the thread down we would be accused of unfair moderating. It's a catch 22. I rarely close threads down, even if they get personal to me. We have to 'protect' all members on here and I mean ALL.

AlsancakJack



Joined: 14/08/2008
Posts: 5762

Message Posted:
05/01/2010 15:47

eager

I think you are missing something here, reread my message 29.

Unfortunately no one gets to see the multitude of e-mails that we as 'moderators' receive on a daily basis regarding complaints about postings. To suggest that postings and bans are carried out 'on a whim' is mistaken. Deletion of postings and banning of members are taken as a last resort.

Unfortunately you have no idea of the nature of the beast.

AJ

AlsancakJack



Joined: 14/08/2008
Posts: 5762

Message Posted:
05/01/2010 15:54

gooligan

You believe what you want to believe, there are always two sides to a story.

I know what I believe.

AJ

gooligan


Joined: 30/01/2007
Posts: 1591

Message Posted:
05/01/2010 15:57

AJ,I realise that and refer back to msg 30,*if* Mark is proved correct will the ban be lifted?

AlsancakJack



Joined: 14/08/2008
Posts: 5762

Message Posted:
05/01/2010 16:01

gooligan

Re the ban being lifted?, you are talking to the wrong person.

AJ

Arthur


Joined: 04/11/2008
Posts: 687

Message Posted:
05/01/2010 16:15

Being an expert on satellite systems, I naturally assumed he'd been kidnapped by Martians- I hope he likes Cadburys Smash.



Whatever "crime" he's committed, I enjoyed his postings. Any chance of him being let out on parole?

TheSaints



Joined: 28/01/2009
Posts: 1369

Message Posted:
05/01/2010 16:19

I think DC has the right idea as a goodwill gesture for 2010 every banned member should be given an amnesty, we would certainly get some lively discussions going and it would liven up the board for a while until they started getting banned again of course.



http://www.cyprus44.com/forums/28807.asp

vincent1


Joined: 20/07/2009
Posts: 212

Message Posted:
05/01/2010 16:37

No1. Doyen. re.message6.



On the subject of free speech, someone else had something to say on the subject.



'Better a thousandfold abuse of free speech than denial of free speech' (Charles Bradlaugh)



I note our moderators have gone into ' damage limitation ' mode over this matter.

Banning Mark for 11 years is total overkill and should be reviewed immediately.



An amnesty is great idea.

PaulW



Joined: 20/07/2009
Posts: 651

Message Posted:
05/01/2010 16:48

Mark knows that no matter how many people call for his ban to be lifted that Izzet is against this. From one point of view Izzet is looking after his business, this forum, and does not want Mark slagging off Dopi for fear of legal retribution. On the other hand Mark's knowledge of TV systems should not be doubted. I know Mark has contacted some of the moderators and in principle has the backing of at least one, but this alas will not get the ban lifted. Common sense should prevail here, Mark is only stating what he believes to be right, he has not been insulting to forum members or caused mayhem with provocative postings. So this is a plea for good old COMMON SENSE to be seen to be done.



Paul

gooligan


Joined: 30/01/2007
Posts: 1591

Message Posted:
05/01/2010 16:55

So why was he banned?

All AJ said was that he stepped over the line.What line is this,what rule was broken?

erolz


Joined: 17/11/2008
Posts: 3456

Message Posted:
05/01/2010 16:58

Was it a green line he stepped over or a border ? Maybe the UN would know ?

Harold2555



Joined: 19/04/2008
Posts: 1139

Message Posted:
05/01/2010 17:08

Erolz



That has made me laugh out loud





Thank you





Harold

AlsancakJack



Joined: 14/08/2008
Posts: 5762

Message Posted:
05/01/2010 17:19

gooligan

Why are you persuing this when there is no one that can answer your questions?

gooligan


Joined: 30/01/2007
Posts: 1591

Message Posted:
05/01/2010 17:32

AJ,why is there no one who can answer,someone must know,you know more than you are letting on,you once told me you dont have the power to delete posts,personally I dont believe a word you say.Mark has left you a message on the Villa owners board by the way.

greylag


Joined: 08/04/2009
Posts: 1110

Message Posted:
05/01/2010 17:44

Looks like the Villa owners board will be busy over the next hour or so,

Grey.

No1Doyen


Joined: 04/07/2008
Posts: 16617

Message Posted:
05/01/2010 18:59

Hooligan. All the moderators have the facility to delete posts. We do not have the facility to reinstate a member when they have been banned

japeal



Joined: 12/09/2008
Posts: 1052

Message Posted:
05/01/2010 19:20

6M's Why not create a new email and rejoin, to often people are banned for what appears to be someone's biased opinions. If you do not like what someone posts do not bother reading it or at least ignore it. If as appears he has been banned because of Dopi why not start a boycott of Dopi? Then let us see if they still want to advertise!

Hector


Joined: 26/08/2008
Posts: 2352

Message Posted:
05/01/2010 19:22

Shame on Izzet then.

pilgrim



Joined: 11/05/2007
Posts: 1404

Message Posted:
05/01/2010 19:36

what a load of fuss, who says he wants to come back anyway.

deecyprus4


Joined: 27/07/2008
Posts: 3452

Message Posted:
05/01/2010 19:44

We demand the return of Mark )))

LondonCypriot


Joined: 15/12/2008
Posts: 426

Message Posted:
05/01/2010 19:54

Mark did contrubut to the forum so I think he should be allowed to express his opinions. Its all about opinions. So I suggest that you remove the embargoes against him.

gooligan


Joined: 30/01/2007
Posts: 1591

Message Posted:
05/01/2010 19:57

Bill,msg 51,I know that but once a post disappeared and AJ was the only mod online,I asked him if he removed it and he said he didn't have the power so I asked Izzet and he told me AJ did remove it so you'll forgive me if I dont believe him now.

Harold2555



Joined: 19/04/2008
Posts: 1139

Message Posted:
05/01/2010 20:08

Gooligan



Just for clarity, are you talking about an individual post or an entire thread? It does make a difference.





Harold

gooligan


Joined: 30/01/2007
Posts: 1591

Message Posted:
05/01/2010 20:12

Harold,I can't remember it was about a year ago,I think it was the full thread,same as the 2 deleted last night.Are you saying mods can't delete or edit 1 post?

measey


Joined: 07/02/2009
Posts: 1037

Message Posted:
05/01/2010 20:16

sounds like do as i say not do as i do.



Bloody Left Wingers.



keith.

Jeannie


Joined: 04/08/2009
Posts: 3283

Message Posted:
05/01/2010 20:25

We have just heard from Mark, who would like to thank everyone for their support.



It is much appreciated.

elkiton



Joined: 15/03/2009
Posts: 514

Message Posted:
05/01/2010 21:00

Having crossed swords with Marky on other forums several times, I will remember him for his ability to take a thread "off topic" and down the route of dissention between North and South. He is a one man propaganda machine who managed to derail several, if not hundreds of otherwise interesting discussions through his ranting on about land in the North really belonging to absent owners in the south. Indeed it got the the point of boredom when he started correcting the terminology in postings to reflect his jaundiced view of the world.

Not sure if his contributions actually added anything to the value of this forum's postings, however now we have another couple of clowns active on here, we can expect even more wasted disk storage space.

TonyE

minertor



Joined: 14/02/2009
Posts: 1238

Message Posted:
05/01/2010 21:48

Mark says that he wish he knew what untruths he told. Personally I'd like to have him back, not that there's any chance of influencing the decision of whoever banned him.



Tony

mikelapta



Joined: 20/11/2008
Posts: 2186

Message Posted:
05/01/2010 22:07

mmmm has great knowledge of the political situation here.Most times,as a simple person I did not understand

his postings,but I did read them.I'm sure he could not do as much harm as eg Pvt Pike.

I miss the dual photo of him and his beautiful wife

Mike

andy-f


Joined: 03/05/2009
Posts: 1256

Message Posted:
05/01/2010 22:57

i also miss reading his posts and coments. yes hes biased towards the ROC rump ( as he refares to it ) but i also got the feeling he new the north would never be joined at the hip with the south ever.

he did tend to try and loose us " less in the know " but he was never a PIKE in a million years.



andy

zhivago


Joined: 21/01/2009
Posts: 70

Message Posted:
05/01/2010 23:03

Message 62 makes sense

andy-f


Joined: 03/05/2009
Posts: 1256

Message Posted:
05/01/2010 23:08

zhivago , are you the russian who bought at sweetwaterbay ?

Moover321


Joined: 11/04/2009
Posts: 649

Message Posted:
05/01/2010 23:29

6m's knowledge and useful tips on the technical side of TV and Sat. cannot be faulted. His inputs were, and dare I say, still are useful to anyone concerned about such issues.



His views on the North / South divide and in particular his notion that the property history of Cyprus began in 1974 left much to be desired. To this end message 62 (Elkiton) is spot on.



As for his ban from the site - it is an executive decision and as we can only speculate on the rationale the debate becomes futile at best!



Will he be missed? I guess by some maybe not by others and probably with great indifference to most!



Will it make an iota of difference to the forum? Unlikely.



Will he come back in the guise of another forum member? Who knows - there are already quite a few who could be clones of 6M's

notthereyet


Joined: 26/10/2008
Posts: 113

Message Posted:
06/01/2010 01:19

Truly a lot of wasted words and effort (even my own contribution) he will be pleased and proud to have acheived such fame and fuss. He's gone the world turns get over it you can still play with him on another Forum.

deecyprus4


Joined: 27/07/2008
Posts: 3452

Message Posted:
06/01/2010 06:40

Msg 62



Not sure if his contributions actually added anything to the value of this forum's postings, however now we have another couple of clowns active on here, we can expect even more wasted disk storage space.



Well I am completely sure yours don't, what are you aiming for here, promotion to moderator.

vincent1


Joined: 20/07/2009
Posts: 212

Message Posted:
06/01/2010 07:01

I would not classify that as promotion !!

deecyprus4


Joined: 27/07/2008
Posts: 3452

Message Posted:
06/01/2010 07:15

Well Vincent neither would I but for some it is

No1Doyen


Joined: 04/07/2008
Posts: 16617

Message Posted:
06/01/2010 09:49

dee. I have to say that you crack me up! What a great sense of humour you have. ))

Tenakoutou



Joined: 27/07/2009
Posts: 4110

Message Posted:
06/01/2010 10:39

Like my friend Heaton, who was banned from the 'happy-crappy' forum, it seems 6m's has also been banned for telling the truth - a truth, or truths, that appears, from what one can only glean from the above postings, to pose a threat to certain people's commercial interests.



This simply reinforces the old adage - especially applicable to TRNC - 'Only money talks!'



Those that imposed such a ban, unless they can come clean as to the 'why's and wherefore's', should consider themselves as pathetically petty individuals.



In my book, and by the tone of the numerous postings in this thread, they can only redeem themselves by instantly re-instating Mark.

elko2



Joined: 24/07/2007
Posts: 4400

Message Posted:
06/01/2010 11:15

6m or Marky Mark as he was previously known is a personal friend but that did not stop me from suspending his membership quite a few times on another forum. He has his strong views on some matters i.e. the Green Line is not a border for him. Fair enough, he can state his views but sometimes he turns them into a crusade and that's where the trouble begins. The non profit making forums may be more tolerant to his views but C44 has to cater for its money paying clients and after all this is a board mainly aimed at attracting tourists. Hence we all have to be more tactful and more liable to some sensitivities. The forums cannot allow free for all in the name of free speech. Unfortuantely, those who champion free speech are usually the ones who hide behind it for their own gigs.

My favourite sticker of all times is: The boss is not always right but he is always the boss!!

In other words, we all have to abide by the rules of the boss.

ismet

elkiton



Joined: 15/03/2009
Posts: 514

Message Posted:
06/01/2010 11:22

Message 70 Dee.

Thank's for acknowledging my contributions, even though you feel they add nothing.

A rule of thumb I use that you might like to consider for yourself.....I don't post unless I can add value to the thread.With a few exceptions,I post where I have knowledge that what is said is wrong,misleading, or somebody is telling porkies; or I seek info that the "search" function didn't find..Hence I don't join the threads which are clearly going nowhere, and there are far too many of them these days.

Me seeking moderator status? sorry, that's a thankless task which I leave to those who are prepared to put in a lot of time for the public good, something that many of you are forgetting in your angst about "censorship".

I stand by my comment on 6M...troll through his many postings on the "old" boards & recognise his style. He changes discussions to his brand of propaganda and sets contributor against contributor, playing with terminology and word meanings in a puerile manner.

To

No1Doyen


Joined: 04/07/2008
Posts: 16617

Message Posted:
06/01/2010 11:25

Ismet. A well presented post.

vincent1


Joined: 20/07/2009
Posts: 212

Message Posted:
06/01/2010 12:01

Elko,

Have you heard this ?







Post edited for offensive remark.

Moover321


Joined: 11/04/2009
Posts: 649

Message Posted:
06/01/2010 12:31

Ismet: Absolutely spot on. Free speech has its limits - and on a for profit motive forum - those limits should be apparent to all - even 6m



Elkiton: Precisely. Reading 6m's posts you never had any doubts that he had his own agenda which for better or worse always seem to coincide with that of the GC propaganda machine though cleverly disguised with an ambiguous turn of statement. Yes, and all to often he plays the posts on language to ensure that only 'his views' are acceptable. Not all that diffeent from a cabal here who seem to think like Dee and always looking to chastise a minority for the sake of ill found righteousness



Whether Izzet is a good boss or otherwise is not the issue. It is his forum. His rules. And no Dee, I am not looking to be a moderator either



Enjoy

jimmyG


Joined: 14/08/2008
Posts: 900

Message Posted:
06/01/2010 13:06

The punishment here hardly fits the 'crime' - surely you can see that Izzet ?

No1Doyen


Joined: 04/07/2008
Posts: 16617

Message Posted:
06/01/2010 13:16

Unfortunately Izzet is unwell at this time. He is unable to respond to any of the points raised here. However I'm confidant that on his recovery he will address all points that have been made.



I think it's best if we now leave this thread and if no one has any problems I'll close it down shortly.

No1Doyen


Joined: 04/07/2008
Posts: 16617

Message Posted:
06/01/2010 13:31

Ok. As there were no responses to the previous message I'm closing the thread.



Thanks for all your posts and the various points that you have made.

No1Doyen


Joined: 04/07/2008
Posts: 16617

Message Posted:
06/01/2010 13:32

This thread is now closed. Reason: Thread was addressed and no need for further posts.