Letter from Lord Ken Maginnis to Baroness Kinnock

malsancak


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Message Posted:
08/01/2010 00:09

"...Like many of my ex-service friends, the UK Government’s attitude to the Cyprus tragedy makes me feel utterly ashamed. While we are well aware of the military interests that the UK had in Cyprus, these can never justify the treatment that the Turkish Cypriots have had to endure for the past 46 years..."

Read more of this letter dated 31/12/2009 at http://www.northcyprusfreepress.com/2010/01/07/letter-from-lord-ken-maginnis-to-baroness-kinnock/

Vidal


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Message Posted:
08/01/2010 00:21

Fantastic letter. Pity that only a relative few influential people will see it. It needs to be shouted from the roof tops!

Lilli



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Message Posted:
08/01/2010 00:44

mel what will glenis do. she may ask neil god love him or her daughter or son in law. did they ever get jobs for the boys. wales are actually ashmed of them xx

paddywack


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Message Posted:
08/01/2010 00:46

We need a man like Ken Mcginnis, a true orangeman without fear of speaking out.

sporty


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Message Posted:
08/01/2010 00:56

lilli,theyll do naff all as usual,file the letter,change the subject etc etc,bloody pathetic! if these so called politicians et al dug a bit deeper they'd find out whats really been going on.

paddywack


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Message Posted:
08/01/2010 01:05

lilli it is not only the Welsh who are ashamed of them

jinyx


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Message Posted:
08/01/2010 08:12

Dont be deluded, maginnis holds no respect in the house of lords, so there wont be a lot of fellow members who will take much notice of him. They realise that he is only speaking out because of his vested interest in owning a property in North cyprus. If he owned property in (say) Zambabwi, He would be shouting their cause.

As for him being a " true Ogangeman" as in msg: 4:, Hes just like most other N. Ireland Politicians in the Lords, Only there to keep the buggers happy in his homeland. Also, like those same politicians, he has a shadey past when it comes to " The Troubles". Like Adams and the rest of them. As for the orangeman comment, well keep your petty home politics to yourself, We all suffered enough from that crap in the past.

In My opinion, for what its worth, Scotland, Northern Ireland, and Wales have there own goverments, and therefore should no place in Wesminster. See Maginnis for what he is, dont hold him in reverence because He shouts "the cause", He is a blaggard!.

malsancak


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Message Posted:
08/01/2010 10:23

Personally, Lord Ken has written an excellent and well documented letter which is far better than anything any other TC supporter has written recently. It's almost as good as what GC supporters write. I haven't the faintest what the man has to do with it, surely it's the impact of the letter that counts.

No1Doyen


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Message Posted:
08/01/2010 10:40

"Every time the Greek Cypriots speak in any international forum, they talk of 1974, but when Turkish Cypriots try to remind the world what happened between 1960 and 1974 they are told to stop living in the past"



How true that statement is.

TJinthesun



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Message Posted:
08/01/2010 11:02

Where is 6m when you want a discussion?



Regardless of personalities (Ken Mcginnis and 6m) the content is worthy of discussion.



And 6m would have no need to lead the thread of the subject;-)

jinyx


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Message Posted:
08/01/2010 11:24

Re msg 8: " I havent the faintest idea what the man has to do with it" Show me the politican who writes his own letters and I will show my a## in burtons window!. For impact he should have published his letter in the times, not aimed it at kinnock's shredder which is where it will go. I agree with the letter and it's contents being a good one but, one thing for certain, it was not written by him. Its a pity he didnt take the same stance with his own countrymen in their dark days , ie, the minority.

malsancak


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Message Posted:
08/01/2010 11:49

It would be too expensive having it published in the Times - they wouldn't put it on the letter page.

the butler


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Message Posted:
08/01/2010 12:15

I have been following this thread with interest and agree that the letter should be published in the Times and

the Daily Mail and The Mirror and even the Sun. This way every ordinary man and women will know the truth. It is time the Turkish Cypriot Side of events were known.







The butlers wife

PeeCee


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Message Posted:
08/01/2010 13:12

What and excellent letter and I'd be interested to see any reply from the FCO. I'm just about to e mail my local MP to draw his attention to it and to ask him to invite the FCO/Baroness Kinnock for a formal response. Suggest that others might like to do likewise and in that way the letter can't be ignored.

I shall also ask him to invite the FCO to give an account of the measures they have taken in response to their declared position of wishing to help TC in their economic recovery. I'm not expecting a long list!!

Ballyboffin


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Message Posted:
08/01/2010 13:17

The letter should be published in every National newspaper. The average man on the street knows nothing about the Cyprus problem and unless he has an interest in Cyprus probably doesn't care.



I wonder why though that as soon as Ken's name is mentioned someone has to bring up Northern Ireland politics, which is not the discussion here.

Maz


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Message Posted:
08/01/2010 13:47

If anyone wants I also have a copy of the letter fromthe Baroness that prompted Ken's reply. I can assure everyone that Embargoed! in London and other politicians feel it shows up the inadequacy of written content from here.

As to Ken MacG,l he is passionate about North Cyprus. Maybe if he did live in Zambia he would be passionate about that, but as it is he is very well informed of the history of Cyprus and is passionate that this country has its rights afforded them.

Incidentally, not that I am bragging - never - but I sent the letter to Mal so he c\ould put it on hisd NCFP, cos it was too late for the week-end papers here.

Of course, if anyone wanted to write to K McG giving their support and praise, I am sure he would love tohear.

E mail address provided on application to be privately!!!!

Rottolover



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Message Posted:
08/01/2010 14:31

Hey MarieB,



Could you please supply either a link to the Baroness' letter, or a copy of it to my email address?



I'd love to read it.

loulouis


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Message Posted:
08/01/2010 15:30

Well said lord Maginniss . Jynyx at least he is trying to bring to the attention of people the unjust and despicable way the Turkish Cypriot people have been treated in the last 46 years. Why should you bring up the troubles in Northern Ireland. what has this got to do with what a devoted and inteligent Man has to say about NC. And by the way he was never a member of the orange order.

loui

Maz


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Message Posted:
08/01/2010 18:52

Thanks PeeCee for what you are doing. Any more on Cyprus44 who are prepared to do the same? As Mr Punch would say ';That's the way to do it!'

malsancak


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Message Posted:
08/01/2010 22:10

Unusually, despite the letter receiving 356 views so far, the usual GC response has been fairly mute up until now. None have said that the events described never happened.

Ballyboffin


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Message Posted:
08/01/2010 22:23

Message 14 PeeCee,



That is a superb idea and I would have mailed my MP with a copy of the letter.



EXCEPT my MP has just retired from public life after admitting to an affair with a 19 year old and having secured a lease on council property for them, also 'acquiring' £50k from property developers to set up the business.



Nothing unusual you may say BUT the MP for my constituency is a 60 year old woman named Iris Robinson !!!



It doesn't just happen in Cyprus !

Oh dear.

jinyx


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Message Posted:
08/01/2010 22:46

ref msg18: if thats so its a bloody shame he didnt see fit to help the unjust and dispicable way the catholics were treated in Northern Ireland whilst he was a member of mr Paisleys unionist party, and advocating the actioning of arms to the B specials, an untrained bunch of loyalist thugs .Yet in his letter he actually condems the giving of arms to the same type of loyalist greek cypriot thugs!. Maginnis is only a lord because like gerry fit, he sold out. I reiterate, he only shouts the trnc cause because he has a home here and dosnt want to lose it, other wise he couldnt give one big shit. By the way, if you think it was him that wrote, or constructed that letter, GET REAL. Hes not an educated man. Oh and by the way, he was a grand master of ballymore orange lodge FACT!.



Msg21, Nice one heee he

malsancak


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Message Posted:
08/01/2010 23:17

so, jinyx, someone other than Lord Ken wrote an excellent letter. So, what do you think of the letter that someone else wrote?

WAZ-24-7



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Message Posted:
08/01/2010 23:23

Jinyx, msg 22 et previous.



Your personal and character attacks carry little credence in making the content of this letter any less credible.



The letter is factual, content is supported by reference and is accepted as factual and a true representaion of what the writer and many others can align with.



Perhaps you could present a respectfull response that we may also consider on its own merit.

We need not know your own personal history, where you live, what your politics are...just facts

Ballyboffin


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Message Posted:
08/01/2010 23:32

jinyx,



Get the facts mate before YOU spout YOUR un-educated biased drivel. Ken Maginnis is a member of the Ulster Unionist Party. Ian Paisley is with the Democratic Unionist Party, two very different political parties.

Actioning of arms to the B Specials ??????? The B Specials were founded in 1920 to quell the activities of the IRA and were disbanded in the 1960's as one of the five demands from the Cival rights Association.



You state that he is not an educated man, he was a teacher for goodness sake.



Oh and by the way, he is one of the few Unionist MP's who was NEVER a member of the Orange Order.

jinyx


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Message Posted:
09/01/2010 00:07

Ballyboffin, Firstly, I'm not your mate so dont refer to me as so. Secondly my un-educated biased drivel might be overturned by the fact that I have a masters in social studies from oxford. Thirdly, the "unionist " word in their politics might give it away as to why they entwine. Forthly, being a teacher isnt a politician. Lastly, many a northern irish person has covered their past , take adams for instance. As for biased, if you look at my posts you will see that I dont rate any N.I. poliiticians, catholic, or protestant. my feelings are they should not have any place in westminster, and as we tax payers pay a bloody fortune to give them their own assembly in their own country, LEAVE THEM TOO IT!. Many an english person, and other nationalities have suffered through N.I. . Oh, by the way, the B specials were thugs, just as the greek cypriots were. One thing I did learn was, You can take the northern irish out of Northern Ireland, but you cant take the bigotry out of the Northern Irish

Vidal


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Message Posted:
09/01/2010 01:17

Guys please dont start getting all twisty and off thread. I think its irrespective of who wrote the letter actually and as to whether there are underlying reasons why it was written. Its a damn good letter and sums up everything in a concise manner and its a story that many other people should read.

Lemtich



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Message Posted:
09/01/2010 02:00

Strangely parallel, Northern Ireland and North Cyprus.



And the question that really destroyed the IRA's reason to be. Did the Republic of Ireland really want a million Northern Irish Protestant British citizens on their electoral lists? I think not.



Does the ROC want an influx of Northernn Cyprus TC voters putting up their representatives in their shiny new parliament in some new reuntied Cyprus , hmmm strange , I think not.



Form a well known phrase or saying out of the following... applecarts upset don't be will sorry you.



If you can't work that out, those whom the gods wish to punish, they answer their prayers.



Lem

malsancak


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Message Posted:
09/01/2010 10:26

So jinyx MA (Oxon), what do you think of the letter?

jinyx


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Message Posted:
09/01/2010 10:57

Malcolm, my dear moderator and examiner, If you would care to examine message 11 properly, then you will find my opinon of the letter. And whilst your at it, also examine message 28 and the contents there within, which I couldn't have put better myself. Well said Caobhin, a very wise conclusion.



Ref msg 22: Those three questions are answerable by public, payed figures, not by myself, or those like Me, I am entitled to my opinion, just as you or anyone else on here.

malsancak


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Message Posted:
09/01/2010 11:47

My dear jinyx MA (Oxon), I read msg 11 and 28 and it has nothing to do with the letter. Have you actually read the letter?

Rottolover



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Message Posted:
09/01/2010 12:08

Sorry, jinyx, but if you truly have gained an MA (Oxon), then either they are handing them out like confetti or I'm the Dutch Crusader...

malsancak


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Message Posted:
09/01/2010 12:21

Rottolover, I work for Cambridge University and I was thinking the same thing.

PeeCee


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Message Posted:
09/01/2010 12:28

I think that someone has touch a nerve. Please let's get back to the merits of the letter.

Since we're at it MPhil; BA(Hons); PGCE;Chartered MIPD. Birmingham; International Management Centre and a blxxdy long time ago. How very very silly

Ballyboffin


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Message Posted:
09/01/2010 12:31

malsancak,



As i said in message 15,



Everytime Lord Drumglass is mentioned there are some people who jump on the bandwagon to talk about Northern Irish politics and want to condemn him for his stand on this in the PAST.



The letter he wrote to Baroness Kinnock had nothing to do Northern Ireland, so why do certain people want to discuss that ?



Those of us who live in Northern Ireland and did so right through the "Troubles" just want to forget. We have talked it to death for years and have learned to understand the views of both sides however much we may disagree with their policies. On the other hand, when people post blatent, mis-informed untruths about Lord Ken who is trying to do his best for the Turkish Cypriots, I have to question their motives.

malsancak


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Message Posted:
09/01/2010 12:40

Ballyboffin, well said and now back to the letter attributed to Lord Drumglass

measey


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Message Posted:
09/01/2010 12:48

Great letter, the kinnocks most people in the uk are ashamed of them, also bloody Tony Blair in years to come this will be proved . America has been what is considered LORD AND MASTER over all states and are behind most things Evil in this World Mr Bush what can you say about him, lets hope the new guy Obama reads this letter, dont hold out much hope anything will change .



Keith.

jinyx


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Message Posted:
09/01/2010 14:51

Msg: 32 and 33, I will treat with the contempt they deserve!.



Msg: 34, how very true.

malsancak


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Message Posted:
09/01/2010 19:14

jinyx, typical Oxford post-graduate!.,:;?

Ballyboffin


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Message Posted:
09/01/2010 21:59

AS IF !!!

coffer


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Message Posted:
09/01/2010 22:15

jinyx (Location: Manchester), Just love these people who pontificate about subjects they have no personal experience of as if they are experts. Fancy meeting me for a beer to discuss NI politics and your views on the Irish or the TRNC and Lord Maginnis?

Ballyboffin


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Message Posted:
09/01/2010 22:56

Pleeeze..... can I come tooooooo.. and can I bring 6xM ????

Ballyboffin


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Message Posted:
09/01/2010 23:07

coffer,



Should have said John as well.



Love to you and J

ronaldo


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Message Posted:
09/01/2010 23:49

Copy and paste the letter which Lord maginiss sent to Glenys Kinnock to all your local MPs maybe then someone will take up the gauntlet and help the plight of the TC people. You would be surprised of how many UK Mps are ignorant to the facts of the Turkish Cypriot peoples.

Ron(aldo)

TJinthesun



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Message Posted:
10/01/2010 23:54

I am still missing the value add that 6 M would give to this discussion.

coffer


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Message Posted:
11/01/2010 12:48

Msg 43, Thanks J&P look forward to seeing you at some point this year. XO

littlejohn


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Message Posted:
13/01/2010 02:30

Jinyx - made resolution not to post on this site again especially re N irish situation but have to admit everything you say is true about dumglass and his cronies and the cost of NI to the taxpayer !But you are wasting your time trying to educate the s**t who prolonged the NI situation and who are now bleating about the TRNC situation - only because it affects them financially!!!!

malsancak


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Message Posted:
13/01/2010 09:04

littlejohn, so what are your views on the letter?

Ballyboffin


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Message Posted:
13/01/2010 12:51

malsancak,



I would be very interested in littlejohn's views on the letter as well, that is if he can get over the fact that Lord Drumglass is a Unionist politician which he seems to have problems with.

Rottolover



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Message Posted:
13/01/2010 13:36

I don't think I'd be interested in littlejohn's views at all...