U.N.'s Ban arrives in Cyprus to push elusive deal

sloan



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Message Posted:
01/02/2010 08:14

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/8490453.stm







http://uk.news.yahoo.com/22/20100131/tts-uk-cyprus-un-ban-ca02f96.html

sloan



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Message Posted:
01/02/2010 08:21

An interesting perspective:



http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2010/jan/31/phoney-peace-northern-ireland-nicosia

nurseawful



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Message Posted:
01/02/2010 08:31

Shiela,



I think he is being a bit over optimistic in thinking it will be easy to solve!



Chris

No1Doyen


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Message Posted:
01/02/2010 09:33

Ban said - "Reaching a mutually acceptable conclusion will require courage, flexibility and vision as well as a spirit of compromise," Ban told reporters.



He forgot to mention that a miracle was also needed.

petez


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Message Posted:
01/02/2010 09:40

He think the solution is so easy he's only popping over for the day, and then he's off again... probably Ireland next stop..

Hippo


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Message Posted:
01/02/2010 09:56

It is dead easy -UN recognises TRNC- Greeks will come running to the table.

MarkVPiazza


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Message Posted:
01/02/2010 10:25

Another waste of everyones time



Oh well, I guess this is their "business"

rigsby


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Message Posted:
01/02/2010 10:52

I wonder if Kofi gave him any advice?

No1Doyen


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Message Posted:
01/02/2010 10:54

Hippo - "It is dead easy -UN recognises TRNC- Greeks will come running to the table"



You are so right.

Tenakoutou



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Message Posted:
01/02/2010 11:02

If anybody believes Mr. Ban Ki Moon's visit will do any good, they probably believe in 'The Man in the Moon', too!

mmmmmm



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Message Posted:
01/02/2010 13:21

re msg 10



As it will do some good, I must believe ;)



Re No.1 Doyen,, Hippo



>>It is dead easy -UN recognises TRNC- Greeks will come running to the table.<<



Hmm ...Gents..next ime I'm over we must go over CY history, the outstanding UN Security Council Resolutions and Russia and China's relations with the 'rump' RoC - not forgetting their own agendas - particularly China's re Taiwan.. ;)

mmmmmm



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Message Posted:
01/02/2010 16:44

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/8490453.stm



NB no mention in any links about the Apostolides v Orams' case ..

Tenakoutou



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Message Posted:
01/02/2010 16:50

Hey, 6m's - Ban Ki Moon's got as much chance of persuading either Cyp. side to co-operate as Val Doonican has of replacing Beyonce as 2010's favourite entertainer!

Troodo


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Message Posted:
01/02/2010 16:55

The last UN Sectary-General Annan's report has still not been read to the UN or entered into there record. It was blocked by the Roc and their Turk hating friends - I wonder why.

I can’t see this guy achieving much if nobody wanted to know what the other one thought. Is there any point?

yorkie58


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Message Posted:
01/02/2010 17:07

Speech by President Mehmet Ali Talat at the luncheon he hosted for UN Secretary-General Ban Ki Moon



I, my wife, the Prime Minister, the Foreign Minister and the leaders of the Political Parties that are represented in the Parliament would like to extend our warmest welcome to H.E. Secretary General Ban, Madam Ban and the members of the UN delegation



We are indeed honored to welcome H.E. Ban today. His visit clearly demonstrates the continued interest of the international community to bring the Cyprus issue to a mutually acceptable solution and reinforces our commitment to achieve this goal without further delay.



Your Excellency,



Turkish Cypriot people have long suffered from a conflict that started almost half a century ago. Just three years after the establishment of the 1960 partnership Republic we have been ousted from the government by force by Greek Cypriots. These attacks reached their climax in 1974 when a coup d’état was attempted to annex the island with Greece. Ou

yorkie58


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Message Posted:
01/02/2010 17:09

Our very existence was saved only when Turkey, invoking her rights and obligations under the 1960 Treaty of Guarantee, intervened through the Peace Operation.



Turkish Cypriots suffered from what happened from 1963 to 1974. Our goal now is to establish a new partnership state in Cyprus that will ensure that the bitter experiences of the past will not repeat. The structure of this partnership has been well defined in the past and more recently by the 23rd May 2008 Joint Statement between the two Leaders which states that our goal is to establish a bi-zonal bi-communal partnership with political equality between Turkish and Greek Cypriots and that this partnership will have a Federal Government with single international identity as well as a Turkish Cypriot Constituent State and a Greek Cypriot Constituent State of equal status.

yorkie58


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Message Posted:
01/02/2010 17:10

Our efforts have since been concentrated on how to build this Federal structure. The full fledged negotiations of the past year and a half had produced significant convergences in some aspects of the problem, yet some other crucial issues remain. Yet the recent two rounds of intensified talks were productive and I hope we agree on their continuation.



Your Excellency,



As you well know, the 2004 UN Comprehensive settlement plan was supported by the whole international community. The UN, the EU and motherlands Turkey and Greece were all in favor of its acceptance. Until attaining unilateral EU membership so was the Greek Cypriot leadership. Turkish Cypriot people by exercising their free democratic will in their own referendum overwhelmingly said “Yes” to this UN plan but the Greek Cypriot resounding “No” prevented the solution. Today we are still faced with inhumane isolations despite the call for its end by the UN Secretary General, despite the 26 April 2004 decision of the EU Cou

yorkie58


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Message Posted:
01/02/2010 17:11

decision of the EU Council, despite the resolution of the Parliamentary Assembly of the Council of Europe, decision of the Organization of Islamic Conference and the others. This is simply unacceptable. We expect much more from the international community. We can not be held responsible for the Greek Cypriot “No” while they enjoy all the benefits of international recognition and EU membership

yorkie58


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Message Posted:
01/02/2010 17:12

Time is working against the settlement. External developments like court cases as well as growing disillusionment among Turkish and Greek Cypriots make the solution more complex and difficult to attain. Therefore we need an urgent solution. I am ready to shoulder my responsibility to achieve this goal and am confident that we will have your continued support in this endeavor. I also would like to take this opportunity to thank your Special Advisor and the whole UN team in Cyprus for their invaluable contributions in this effort.



Your Excellency and Mrs. Ban,



I would once again like to welcome you and raise my glass for your well being and wish that 2010 will be the year of solution.

deecyprus4


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Message Posted:
01/02/2010 21:06

I thought Talat's speech was direct, to the point and well delivered, he told it like it is and I for one salute him.



TRNC forever!

Lilli



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Message Posted:
01/02/2010 21:22

and with no mention of turkey . keep it to cyprus he said, lets hope and pray some sort of solution can be forthcoming xx

andy-f


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Message Posted:
01/02/2010 21:37

excellent speach by president talat simply told as it is , but we all know GCs dont realy want a solution so i aint holding my breath.



it will end up two seperate states . . . who wants a tenner ono it?





andy

newlad



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Message Posted:
01/02/2010 21:49

Andy,

Only a tenner,

Paul.

No1Doyen


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Message Posted:
01/02/2010 22:03

It was indeed an excellent speech. Direct and to the point.

andy-f


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Message Posted:
01/02/2010 22:10

ok paul ill go to twenty



thats twenty lira lol





andy

newlad



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Message Posted:
01/02/2010 22:31

I wonder who wrote the speech,very forthright,

Paul.

sloan



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Message Posted:
02/02/2010 09:01

http://www.cyprus-mail.com/cyprus/update-joint-statement-two-leaders-end-their-meeting-un-secretary-general-ban-ki

mmmmmm



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Message Posted:
02/02/2010 09:40

Dear Andy-f



I accept your bet..



for their to be two separate states - they have both to be UN members.. OK?



What time scale are you thinking of?

clarets



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Message Posted:
02/02/2010 14:08

In effect tthe TRNC IS already a separate state,whether the UN recognise it or not. What has to be agreed is only WHEN the UN recognises it. The talks appear to be deadlocked,and the TRNC would need to give up a great deal of ground on its current autonomy. The questions that most TC's should ask themselves are to do with GC's having a say in their everyday lives. I personally don't think that is a palatable alternative to the Status Quo.

Rottolover



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Message Posted:
03/02/2010 15:11

Hey sixems,



"for their (sic) to be two separate states - they have both to be UN members."



Why?

MUSIN M


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Message Posted:
03/02/2010 22:29

rottolover



they do not.







musin



long live the kktc