Does the Orams building plot belongs to Evkaf?,

Troodo


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05/02/2010 09:07

Under the title Does the Orams building plot belongs to Evkaf?, Turkish Cypriot daily Haberdar newspaper (04.02.10) alleges that the building plot on which David and Linda Orams have illegally built a villa in occupied Lapithos is not Greek Cypriot property. According to the paper, the building plot may be a part of plot of one thousand donums [Tr. Note: A land measure of 1000 square meters], which belongs to the Evkaf Religious Foundation. Citing reliable information, Haberdar writes that the Turkish Cypriot leader, Mehmet Ali Talat is aware of the fact that the plot in occupied Lapithos belongs to Evkaf Religious Foundation and that he carried out a meeting at the self-styled presidency, with persons who are related with the issue. The paper writes also that when the issue was discussed at his office, Mr Talat clarified that even if the building plot belongs to Evkaf, the decision regarding the Orams case will not be affected.

Speaking to Haberdar on the issue, the director of the

elko2



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05/02/2010 09:21

According to Greek Cypriots everything that is done in TRNC is illegal and all the authorities like the police, the President, the Prime Minister etc. are all "self styled President etc.". They can dream on, no extra charge for that but the reality on the ground is different. Thanks to Greece and Cyprus following close behind, EU (the club of hypocrites) as we know it today may not live very long. TRNC will he here for a very long time.

ismet

tattlad


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05/02/2010 11:43

Bang on Ismet, they all seem to forget that Turkey has been managing it's own affairs quite nicely for centuries, and will do for centuries to come as the EU club will find, I just wonder when the world will wake up to the fact that GC's will not rest until they have control of the whole Island, which is what caused all the sh*t in the first place.

Jachin



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Message Posted:
05/02/2010 12:20

Long live the TRNC

mmmmmm



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Message Posted:
05/02/2010 12:25

Hi Ismet



I well remember a discussion in another place with you re Evkaf land in varosha / Maras.. As you know the British ruled on that a long time before CY independence !



The correct term for 'TRNC institutions' would strictly be 'legally invalid' and, as you know, this is as a result of a UN Security Council Resolution..



So, until that is repealed the GCs are 'correct' .. even though this seems particularly unfair since Apr 2004 ( Annan vote) . :(

ROBnJO


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Message Posted:
05/02/2010 13:37

mark



Jan 1st.



Must lose weight, must give up smoking and drinking, must join gym and get fit,.........





All resoultions are made to be later broken.



If I had a £ for every 'legal' resolution that has ever been broken,....









I would be a multi-millionaire by now!





Rob

girne 29


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Message Posted:
05/02/2010 14:23

Mark,



Israel appears to have no problem with ignoring over 60 UN resolutions.

China , Iran,Libya,Korea, India ,Pakistan the list goes on.

There is even a couple of resolutions on promoting and participating in terrorism, but Al Quaeda are joining the list of people ignoring resolutions.



The fervour with which the UN makes resolutions is not matched when it comes to enforceing them,unless, as in the case of Iraq, countries like US and UK take on that role on the pretext of acting on the UN's behalf.

mmmmmm



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Message Posted:
05/02/2010 14:34

Hi Girne_29!



As you rightly say UN resolutions get ignored.. particularly by powerful nations or those with powerful friends..



Are you suggesting folk aren't suffering in Cyprus due to Turkey's non compliance and 'invalidity' of 'TRNC' on the world stage?! ;)

girne 29


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05/02/2010 16:19

No, its obvious that they are suffering the impact of sanctions.,but thats as far as it goes. It Turkey choses to alleviate the suffering of the TRNC inhabitants, then ,as in the case of other countries resolutions mean very little.

Why are sanctions not put on Turkey, much more effective,as the cost of subsidising the effects of sanction in TRNC to the Turkish economy is relatively tiny ,something in the region of 000006% of Turkeys GDP.

Could it be that in the world of power politics, sanctions are a way of penalising Turkey by imposing costs of subsidy ,but not bad enough to endanger Turkeys relationship with the west.

Troodo


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Message Posted:
06/02/2010 08:18

New thread started by Tommy.

tommy13


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Message Posted:
06/02/2010 08:57

my apologies troodo , i wasnt aware of your post

Groucho



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Message Posted:
06/02/2010 09:47

Why would Evkaf (Vakuf, Vacouf) land have been given to Greek Cypriots? By the British? Whose land it wasn't to give away!







If this is the case then it's going to cause ructions.







Land donated to the Vacouf for religious benefit of the Islamic population should never have been given away...







There was some talk of evidence that a systematic process of passing off land belonging to the religious foundation had occurred under colonial rule and if this has continued under the aegis of the Greek Cypriot administration then it's a war crime too.







This land is nobody's to give away. What tribunal would have granted this bequest?

Groucho



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Message Posted:
06/02/2010 09:48

http://chinesejil.oxfordjournals.org/cgi/content/abstract/7/1/159



This may turn out to have been a master-stroke.



DEVELOPMENTS & HISTORY



Cyprus under British Rule: An International Law Analysis of Certain Land Surveys and Land Assignments Between 1878 and 1955 Bernhard Hofstötter *



From 1878 onwards, Great Britain exercised sovereign rights coming close to full sovereignty over Cyprus. The present article demonstrates that, by undertaking certain land surveys and land assignments with regard to religious property in North Cyprus, Great Britain ultimately failed to abide by the restriction on the exercise of its sovereign rights flowing from international law, which in turn referred to the Ottoman Law on Foundations and Endowments. Apart from shedding light on a commonly neglected aspect of colonial law, which is closely linked to key concepts of public international law continuing to shape our present-day discourse, a loose frame of reference for reparation of past inju

MarkVPiazza


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Message Posted:
06/02/2010 12:45

Evkaf was also used to put land in trust for families where there was no male heir.



Some friends of our's property and businesses in Larnaca was all held in trust because of this reason - before Makarios died they received income for these, since then not a penny.



Estimated value of this property, well over £100m - where is their compensation??