If GC do not recognize TRNC why do they allow TRNC reg'd cars across

scootex



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Message Posted:
05/02/2010 11:18

It strikes me as strange that the GC say the TRNC is an illegal regime yet they allow vehicles registerted and given number plates by the TRNC authorities to cross in to their territory, as long as you get their road certificate and buy insurance.Surely if the regime is illegal then it must follow that the registration is illegal and cannot therefore be insured or is it just another case of double standards to suit themselves

Brinsley


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Message Posted:
05/02/2010 11:51

The plot thickens!



Richard

TRNCVaughan


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Message Posted:
05/02/2010 11:56

The TRNC is recognised as being the de facto administration in the North and as such, issues things like birth, marriage and death certificates, driving licences and vehicle registrations, etc. That does not imply recognition of the TRNC as a state.

I think you will find that this is the reasoning behind the situation you are questioning.

yorkie58


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Message Posted:
05/02/2010 11:59

I may be wrong on this but on 29 April 2004, the European Union (EU) passed the EU Green Line Directive to establish direct trade between North and South Cyprus and as such allowing vehicles to move between the two.

mmmmmm



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Message Posted:
05/02/2010 12:17

re msg 1 Scootex



When the crossing points were opened in Apr 2003, initially the GCs didn't want 'TRNC' registered cars on the road... !



Can you use your 'TRNC' mobile in the south - away from your home network ?.. That is because the companies can't / won't discuss roaming / cross charging..



Ironically I could draw TR Lira using a RoC card in 'TRNC' ....

scootex



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Message Posted:
05/02/2010 14:02

Well like I said double standards by GC and the EU by the look of it

erolz


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Message Posted:
05/02/2010 14:47

scootex just because an entity like the TRNC is not recognised it does not mean that any 'documents' it produces are not recognised externally. Birth, Death and marriage certificates issued by the TRNC for example are recognised internationally even though the TRNC that issues them are not.



This is actually well established in international law and is based on the principal that the people living within an unrecognised state are not the same as the state itself. Those people should not have to suffer undue hardship because the state is unrecognised, thus documents prodiced by unrecognised states can and do get recognised internationaly as valid even though the state issuing them is not.

scootex



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Message Posted:
05/02/2010 15:14

message 7 sorry I must be thick then because a motor car as far as I know is not a person also a villa is not a person but I can garantee that the GC would not recognise a Kocan issued by the TRNC for a villa as in the Orams case . So you are saying that car documents are recognised internationally because that would cause hardship if they were not but your home is not recognised as hardship if you have a threat of it being taken off you .Thankgod for that at east I can sleep in my car if the worst comes to the worst

Brinsley


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Message Posted:
05/02/2010 15:24

Msg 5

mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

Whatever cross charging, roaming points you're refering to, it's good to see you back in mens clothing again!



Richard

Geoff


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Message Posted:
05/02/2010 15:29

Don't forget they don't allow any car in driven by or carrying mainlanders, only TCs.

Geoff

scootex



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Message Posted:
05/02/2010 15:45

sorry geff you've lost me there I.m not a TC but have trnc reg 'd car

Brinsley


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Message Posted:
05/02/2010 15:52

Msg 11 Scootex

A bike or a car, I'm sure you can peddle through your identity crisis working out where your registered!



Richard

erolz


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Message Posted:
05/02/2010 17:32

Scootex the reason why the Orams TRNC issued deed is not recognised internationaly is NOT because it was issued by the TRNC, but because it is based on the siezure of land by the TRNC post 74 that siezure is not recognised internationaly.



Whether the RoC recongises something is not the same as if it is recognised internationally either.

So for example if I bought land in the north post 74 from someone who owned that land pre 74 and they subsequently went to RoC courts to seek an order against me for trespass, on the basis that the sale to me post 74 under TRNC is not 'recognised' and they are still the owners, they would ultimately fail. If he RoC courts did not throw the case out then in the end the ECHR would, for even though the TRNC is not recognised, the sale of undipsuted land post 74 as recorded by the TRNC would be recognised internationaly even if not by the RoC.

yorgozlu



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Message Posted:
05/02/2010 17:37

msg 8;

"GC would not recognise a Kocan issued by the TRNC for a villa as in the Orams case."....or anyone elses,who has a villa built on a land owned by GC pre 74.



And,thats due to the fact that,there has been no agreement between two states.However,anyone with a villa built on pre 74 TC land,their Kocan is internationaly recognised.(sefe as houses as one might say.

yorgozlu



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Message Posted:
05/02/2010 17:40

sorry erolz,my fingers arent as quick as yours.

Geoff


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Message Posted:
06/02/2010 09:43

Re No.11: sorry, didn't mean to be mis-leading. My point was they allow TRNC cars into the south provided it is insured, and the driver is NOT a Turkish Mainlander. TCs, Brits, whatever, are OK and allowed in. The Turkish Mainlanders are not allowed in whatever their mode of transport, incl Shanks Pony.

Geoff

Tenakoutou



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Message Posted:
06/02/2010 10:33

Yorgozlu/msg 14: 'However, anyone with a villa built on pre 74 TC land,their Kocan is internationaly recognised.(sefe as houses as one might say.'



Since 2005, only a TC would have been granted PTP and have a Kocan - all foreigners have been, and will continue to be refused PTP.



This has been posted umpteen times before, but I myself and many others were conned into buying pre '74 Turkish Title, having been assured by their estate agent and/or advocate that 'PTP is merely a formality in TRNC!'



The standard exuse for refusal is 'proximity to a military installation'.



I was informed by 'those in the know', that: (allegedly), the truth is, that during the 'property boom', which took off prior to the Annan Plan referendum, that the TRNC government decided (in camera) that if the sale 'pre 74 TT was not curtailed, it would all soon pass into foreign ownership. Hence the reason for blanket PTP refusal since then.

cyprusishome


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Message Posted:
06/02/2010 11:06

Back to original posting.



Surely there is a simple answer to the question MONEY.



First you MUST buy RoC insurance at the crossing point.



Second the majority of vehicles will have people going to spend lots of Euros.