the south up to their tricks once again!!!!!

ukturk



Joined: 01/09/2007
Posts: 1974

Message Posted:
07/06/2008 16:36

hi guys

just to report that the greek side's president was in the u.k for a few days on building old ties which was thawed from the late seventies up until papadopalıus was in power, the reason for this visit was for the president of the south to get the u.k to sign a deal called the memorandum of unerstanding, this memorandum is basically saying britain will not back or support any moves towards the partition of the island or the recognition or upgrading of any separate political entity and they will work together to acheive this

this is a very two faced action on the part of the president firstly saying they did not want britain taking part in any of the talks towards a solution to the cyprus problem and also it was not long ago that christofias was saying britain was the south's ''evil demon'' also this is very sneaky of the u.k government to secure and protect their army bases they have in cyprus if a solution is ever reached also it undermines the agreement britain signed with turkey about north cyprus to support whatever the outcome and reconising north cyprus as k.k.t.c two faced or what!!!! or is it that the u.k is scared because after turkey done this deal with the u.k the south said they was not happy and would consider expelling the army and its bases from the south (are they just covering their backs)

now this has caused outrage from turkey and north cyprus saying that this was a negative intervention in the peace process and was also said that it was hard to understand why britain would even sign such a deal

it beats me to because if a solution is to take place either way how can one part of cyprus do a deal with the u.k without the other part being their, and also which is a outrage idea the memo contained a clause that no separate political existence on the island shall be recognized or upgraded, does not britain the south or even the whole world know that their is two seperate governments and states in cyprus so how can they say their is no seperate political existence or it wont reconise one it was only in october that britain did reconise north cyprus as k.k.t.c!!!!! i am speechless, looks to me that the south are looking for other options than sorting it out with the north directly, so maybe we should do the same and these actions will only hamper the talks which are supposed to happen soon

regards

ukturk

ilovecyprus


Joined: 08/05/2007
Posts: 2880

Message Posted:
07/06/2008 16:50

Hi Erkan



Looks like you read a more in depth report on the intention and outcome of this meeting than I have. Where can i get a copy?

ukturk



Joined: 01/09/2007
Posts: 1974

Message Posted:
07/06/2008 17:07

hi mark

http://www.cyprus-mail.com/news/main.php?id=39650&cat_id=1 this gives you the details and also that the south's president could not be happier with the outcome of his trip

http://www.todayszaman.com/tz-web/detaylar.do?load=detay&link=144144

http://www.cyprus-mail.com/news/main.php?id=39634&cat_id=1



take a look mate and tell me what you think that this is not double standards and blatant two facedness on the u.k's part at least with tony we had some sort of chance cos he understood our plight but gordon is not content on messing britain up he want to do it to other countries aswell!!!!

regards

ukturk

brian24001


Joined: 23/03/2008
Posts: 606

Message Posted:
07/06/2008 18:10

yUK also need to hold on the the 'Sovereign Territory' as if/when the deep water gas exploration commences in the Med towards Egypt, they want to claim the drilling rights, according to an 'in the know' mate of mine in the south.

He tells me that the yUK want to claim the rights projecting out into the Med from the sea edge boundaries of the ST at 90 degrees to the land, effectively meaning that they will intersect prior to reaching the CY / Egypt marine border, effectively saying 'it will all be UK territory'

If the finds in the Cy section of the Med there are anything like the Egyptian reserves, they will be looking at multiple wells, 100MMscf/day gas (which for those not familiar one well will run Cyprus, north and south!!)

However, the catch is that geologically, it is modt unlikely that there will be any gas reserves around Cy anyway.

This may all be conjecture, but if I was the yUK, I wouldn't want to jeperdise this, and the yUK can't aford to.

andre 514


Joined: 31/03/2008
Posts: 1163

Message Posted:
07/06/2008 19:19

I really wonder if all of this is purely christophias' idea

rather than a party line worked out with his backers

and the various other pressure groups in the south

as regards the basic southern tactic of trying to screw the blockade

ever tighter this is only "successful" in the sense that the north cypriots

and turkey must in the end at least get weary in the battle

to protect and survive (unfortunate choice of phrase)

on the other hand only a madman would put their life

in the hands of these jokers...

whom you could happily term unprincipled and devious

were it not for all the totally irrelevent blather

about aristotle, plato and christian civilation

strangely enough none of this will bring any aid to anyone

on the island who wants to live normally,

will delay any settlement and certainly not persuade turkey

to pack their bags and leave

but in trying to probe the self-riteous and victim-like rhetoric

of the other side there appears to lurk a very real fear that

eventually sanctions will unwind

and it is for them vital to lock in everybody possible

so as not to lose their "struggle" by default as it were



andre

Chris


Joined: 26/03/2008
Posts: 454

Message Posted:
07/06/2008 21:19

Ok,

thick northerner here, what is k.k.t.c. and yUK?

and I am being serious!

Chris

elko2



Joined: 24/07/2007
Posts: 4400

Message Posted:
07/06/2008 22:37

Business as usual, nothing has changed. We can talk for another 40 years!!!

ismet

millzer


Joined: 12/04/2007
Posts: 978

Message Posted:
07/06/2008 22:42

KKTC = Kuzey Kıbrıs Türk Cumhuriyeti i.e. Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus



Kuzey Kibris (North Cyprus)



yUK United Kingdom abbreviated with a Y on the front = YUK

Chris


Joined: 26/03/2008
Posts: 454

Message Posted:
07/06/2008 22:53

Thank you miizer!

Appreciated that



Chris

Lincsman



Joined: 02/04/2008
Posts: 117

Message Posted:
09/06/2008 13:16

I'll set my position out at the beginning of this post. I am an interested observer of the current negotiations but from what I know of the history of the "cyprus problem" the Turkish Cypriots have always been the wronged party and the Greek Cypriots seem to have a very selective memory regarding history. Notwithstanding this I can see that the "World Powers" were never going to allow a seperate state situation to happen for TRNC/KKTC. So my question is what is the difference between the GC bizonal bi communal solution and the TC solution based on the Annan Plan? Whilst I totally understand why the TC's would not want to go back to Greek dominated 70/30 constitution, why can't it be a federal system with autonomy for the north?

ilovecyprus


Joined: 08/05/2007
Posts: 2880

Message Posted:
09/06/2008 14:26

Hi Erkan



This is an outrageous mate. This must have damaged the trust in the negotiations, which is so fragile at present.



From the original text I read, I infered it to read that bringing the UK in to the negoatiations would be a good thing. There are 80,000 Brits in the whole of Cyprus, many of these will be impacted through a solution. I was hoping that Britain would be taking a protective role.



But your references tell a very different story Erkan. This is really putting the squeeze on the TRNC by taking away any fall back position, that if talks break down the TRNC will be recognised.

I wonder what has happened in the solution talks to warrant such action. Does Christofias think that the GC's are in a more powerless position than he had initially thought. In otherwords, he has come to realise that many of the GC wants are unlikly to be realised, leaving him with a difficult sell to his people.



What Brian says makes sense. Britain has taken comparable action in Antartica. Many countries are beginning to take a protectionist stance. It's about securing energy at all costs.

In any case, are the GC's playing a bluff game. If the bases were removed the Cypriots would lose a substantial revenue souce. I think the bases generate 60 million pounds per year and provide work for a large number of GC's.



Lincsman

I am not totally sure about bi zonal comapred to Annan plan. I think bi zonal was part of the annan plan anyway, with the TRNC giving up land in Morphou Famagusta and Varosha. Would love to be corrected on this by other members.



ps Lincsman - What makes you say that 'world powers' would never allow a TRNC state to be recognised?

Lincsman



Joined: 02/04/2008
Posts: 117

Message Posted:
09/06/2008 17:38

As an "interested observer" I have always gained the impression that the US UK, EU etc have always wanted a 1 state solution. This impession has been reinforced by the fact that nobody other than Turkey has ever officially recognised TRNC, in spite of the history, the embargoes etc. Now this impression may be wrong but I have never read anywhere that the major powers would allow an independent TRNC.

Lincsman



Joined: 02/04/2008
Posts: 117

Message Posted:
09/06/2008 17:42

Sorry I should have addressed the previous post back to I love cyprus