Turkey refuse to withdraw troops

newlad



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Message Posted:
11/02/2010 12:02

http://northcyprus.biz/north_cyprus_FeedRedir.asp?FID=10284





So thats the end of that then,

Paul.

jay76


Joined: 17/07/2008
Posts: 532

Message Posted:
11/02/2010 12:10

Thats good news

NCMan



Joined: 19/09/2009
Posts: 670

Message Posted:
11/02/2010 12:27

Brilliant News.

winslow


Joined: 09/04/2009
Posts: 332

Message Posted:
11/02/2010 12:31

Newlad



The politicans can sit down and negotiate trade and social policies ...untill the cows come home...

But to tell the Turkish Armed Forces to remove its troops form anywhere let alone Cyprus to Turkeys Armed Forces is tantamount to surrender... and that Newlad... is just not in their vocabulary... The Armed Forces of Turkey will take no lectures from Europe that I assure you...So you may be right that's that then for the time being...

Winslow.

hattikins


Joined: 17/02/2008
Posts: 2793

Message Posted:
11/02/2010 12:37

Perhaps Europe would be better employed sorting out the bail out of Greece rather than dictating to Turkey what she must do, I thought this issue was part of the current *peace* talks.

winslow


Joined: 09/04/2009
Posts: 332

Message Posted:
11/02/2010 12:54

Msg hattikins

Yes hattikins it is part of the current *peace* talks. A very important part of the peace talkes as are all the others property settlers and governance. The peace process is fulling apart by the day...its in bits...

Winslow

wynyardman



Joined: 15/12/2007
Posts: 4580

Message Posted:
11/02/2010 12:57

Hattikins,



I wonder what price the EU will demand of Greece, in return for bailing out its economy?



wynyardman

Troodo


Joined: 12/06/2008
Posts: 1002

Message Posted:
11/02/2010 13:22

This is the country that blackmailed the EU to take the Roc into their Christian club. Do these retards not know that they also showed them how to cheat their way into the euro. The Roc is another disaster waiting to happen – and it will not be long in coming.

newlad



Joined: 02/03/2008
Posts: 7819

Message Posted:
11/02/2010 13:34

Winslow,

Totally agree with Turkeys stance.I think you may have misunderstood my feelings on the situation,

Paul.

newlad



Joined: 02/03/2008
Posts: 7819

Message Posted:
11/02/2010 14:44

Turkey will not budge on the troops issue and good on them.Time for our friends to make some concessions for a change after all there the ones in a monetary mess at the moment,having to go cap in hand to Brussels.Squirm,squirm.What goes around comes around,

Paul.

TopTen


Joined: 15/04/2009
Posts: 1246

Message Posted:
11/02/2010 15:59

They should send in more and push down south

JohhnyLee


Joined: 25/04/2009
Posts: 2495

Message Posted:
11/02/2010 17:08

Not a bad idea Top Ten

oddjob


Joined: 16/09/2008
Posts: 62

Message Posted:
11/02/2010 18:09

Good on Turkey. They should just let the Northern Cyprus become a seperate country, and leave it as North Cyprus. Personally, i do not feel that the north and south will ever learn to become as one again. There is still too much anger, especially in the younger people.



North Cyprus is 10 times more superior to the south. The south is so typically common europe with all the hassles that go with european countries. Even if Turkey did manage to become a member of the eu, i think they would be better off not joining.



As we can see again, the Greeks economy is in enough trouble already, awaiting the bail out of all the other eu countries, who are not happy about it. I think more should be done to make north Cyprus a legal state, and not worry so much about the eu.



Good on Turks!!!!!!!!!

tattlad


Joined: 13/12/2008
Posts: 479

Message Posted:
11/02/2010 18:27

Superb news, Turkey just need to annex The TRNC now.........

Tenakoutou



Joined: 27/07/2009
Posts: 4110

Message Posted:
11/02/2010 18:53

The EU don't want to admit to an error of judgement by admitting Greece and RoC into the 'club'; and now, to add insult to injury to the contributing countries' taxpayers, instead of suspending them for their fraudulent declarations, seem 'hell-bent' on the intention of bailing out Greece, and next, 'as surely as night follows day' in consideration of the distinct probability, that 'nasty little wart on Greece's d1ck' - RoC.

andy-f


Joined: 03/05/2009
Posts: 1256

Message Posted:
11/02/2010 19:16

great news , they are not prepared to sacrifice northern cyprus but are prepared to sacrifice europe.

newlad



Joined: 02/03/2008
Posts: 7819

Message Posted:
11/02/2010 19:31

Says it all really.Its like having a big brother to watch over you and tuck you in on a night,

Paul.

measey


Joined: 07/02/2009
Posts: 1037

Message Posted:
11/02/2010 21:26

i said it once and i say it again. Tell the WORLD trnc is now the Republic of Turkey up yours.



Measey.

charb


Joined: 17/03/2009
Posts: 188

Message Posted:
11/02/2010 23:48

I feel really sick of those who approve the status quo which makes Turkish Cypriots even more dependent and poor day by day, just to keep their comfort. Shame on you, because yours is not a political view -it's not even a view- that I can respect though I don't understand. You should not support TCs' assimilation just because you bought a former Greek property.

newlad



Joined: 02/03/2008
Posts: 7819

Message Posted:
11/02/2010 23:56

Charb,

I want the tcs to prosper and be able trade freely so that their children can do the same what has happened to them over the years is totally wrong.So please dont include me as one who wants to see tcs assimilation,

Paul.

Oleander


Joined: 03/05/2009
Posts: 302

Message Posted:
12/02/2010 01:53

It's mainly Brits I see calling for Turkey to annex TRNC, not Turkish Cypriots.

vikingqueen



Joined: 07/02/2009
Posts: 241

Message Posted:
12/02/2010 08:02

Good on Turkey but it worries me a little that 70K are from Turkey and only 20K Turkish Cypriots

deecyprus4


Joined: 27/07/2008
Posts: 3452

Message Posted:
12/02/2010 10:20

I will say what I have always said, it depends on what the turkish cypriots want, personally I am happy the troops are staying but I do not have a say.

spondoolics


Joined: 13/06/2009
Posts: 73

Message Posted:
12/02/2010 12:30

Charb,

Why is it that RoC supporters allways assume that every property purchased or built, every business started or bought is either Greek or Greek Land. Extremely short sighted and not true.

charb


Joined: 17/03/2009
Posts: 188

Message Posted:
12/02/2010 16:09

Spondoolics, I am not an RoC supporter, as I am, not TC, Turkish. And I know that there are some Turkish lands and/or buildings in Girne region. But compared to Greek lands/buildings, it's an extremely small percentage. Hence, most (not all, for sure) of the lands/buildings bought by Brits are formerly Greek. And, it seems, everyone knows, or feels, that the real owners are the first owners. That's why some (not all) Brits are quite happy with the Turkish troops staying and the negotiations are far from a solution. And that's why I am sick of those. One will come and buy a property from a country that is not recognized, and then hope the worst case scenario just to make sure s/he will keep on living in the property. What a selfishness? How dare him/her?

kibrissibel


Joined: 18/02/2008
Posts: 562

Message Posted:
12/02/2010 16:46

Charb, I think many people, both Brits and TCs are happy that the army is here to prevent any more genocide. Since they've been here we've had peace on this island. If they left, I don't doubt it would be long before the events of the fifties onwards would continue again.



Oleander, I've noticed also many Brits wanting TRNC to be annexed to Turkey. It's a double edged sword. On the one hand, TCs are not Turkish and will never be, as a TC, I wouldn't want to be part of Turkey. However, TRNC governments have not shown to me that they can successfully govern or manage this country for the benefit of all its residents. IMHO they need to look to the diversity of all the people here who have a lot of skills and experience to turn the economy and country as a whole around so that we prosper. TRNC has enormous potential that is being lost because of bad decisions and management. It's time for action!

winslow


Joined: 09/04/2009
Posts: 332

Message Posted:
12/02/2010 17:26

Msg 19 25 charb orleander 21

To both of you...

I am a T/C so regarding the debate on reunification these are my thoughts and many other T/C and many of the Ex-pat community share this view not soley because of the property issue but they have researched and are fully aware of the history of this Island and how our people suffered up untill the 1974 intervention. And appoving the status quo which makes Turkish Cypriots even more dependent and poor day by day, just to keep their comfort. I can assure you whether they approve or not makes no difference to the plight of the TRNC economy that is a matter of macro economics and the responsibilty of the government. And what do you mean by assimalation?

winslow


Joined: 09/04/2009
Posts: 332

Message Posted:
12/02/2010 17:27

con...

This is a repeat of what İ have already posted on other treads for anyone who has not read. I would like to say that the T/C community do understand the realities and the bias that has been displayed to us and Turkey with regards some member states of the the EU. Which has now become all the more apparent after yesterdays report of the European Parliament on Turkey which includes baseless and unacceptable elements. My personal opinion as a T/C as I have said before is; During the negotiations there seemed to be only one alternative being pushed forward you must both reach agreement and join the EU and live happilly ever after all and all with this undertone of blackmail. That if there is no agreement the TRNC will colapse into the sea of oblivean with no life jacket and hope of rescue rendering no future prosperity for our future generations.

Con..

winslow


Joined: 09/04/2009
Posts: 332

Message Posted:
12/02/2010 17:28

Con.

This is a foreign perspective unrelatable to the present consensus of the people on both sides as recents polls are showing hardliners views in the north and south are becoming more prevelent with their ante reunification retoric. Much of their claims regarding the inability to reach a consensus regarding the negotiations are now being borne out. İ respect some of the arguments put forward regards the benefits of EU membership. And in the last few days we have seen the drawdacks of EU membership. But we are two peoples with seperate cultures and historical backgrounds. No matter however you try to gloss it over we cannot reside together and share power ethnic partisanisam would prevail at all levels on both sides no matter how many checks and balances were implemented. Trying to create Cyproutopia by these two men from the same political background ‘do not a nation make’. There are alternatives there is not just this one way, one measure just this one final chance?

Con.

winslow


Joined: 09/04/2009
Posts: 332

Message Posted:
12/02/2010 17:30

Con..

A Velvet divorce two Soveriegn States Taiwanisation and a continuation of the status quo etc..

I do feel they have fallen behind the times and are not considering what the people now seem to want. Every one should unerstand there was a reason why people on this side voted against Talats government it was not just economics. There was a reason we voted 'hardline nationalists', and that was simply that not everybody desires reunification many do not trust the EU anymore and many do not care about this sense of urgency on both sides. Plus the Annan plan is still a sore point not just for our side but also the ROC.

The other alternatives and views should be disucssed more openly within this context by the politicans and I believe there would be a feeling of relief on both sides. We have been negoiating for years and it always ends in tears and recrimination.

Con..

winslow


Joined: 09/04/2009
Posts: 332

Message Posted:
12/02/2010 17:31

Con..

İts just to difficult sadly there’s just to much bad blood betwen us. İ know İm not the only one and it is not acceptable to portray those opposing it to be made out to be fighting democracy we are not we are realists not political theological dreamers who believe that ethnic and historical cultural divdes can be cemented together by a party politcal plaster. When politicans gain power and attempt to wield this for their own ends or their inner circle this is undemocartic.True democracy is the will and desire of the majority of the people and not the desire of the few with the same political view points who I hope İ am wrong want their own aspirations to succeed for their own political and personal goals.

Winslow.

rowlo



Joined: 12/10/2008
Posts: 4796

Message Posted:
12/02/2010 18:01

oleander msg 21 , stick to the crap you write on the geek board ,your a foul mouthed racist and have no place here, your only intent is to stir up trouble , people like you dont want a settlement ,you want it all , well i dont think you will ever get it , and i bet neither do you ?

measey


Joined: 07/02/2009
Posts: 1037

Message Posted:
12/02/2010 20:43

oleander.ill keep on saying it what would the trnc be without turkey like Newlad once said in the s**t.



Measey.

rowlo



Joined: 12/10/2008
Posts: 4796

Message Posted:
12/02/2010 22:30

msg33 and roc without geeks ? wake up and smell the coffee you murdering gobshxxes .LONG LIVE KKTC .

Biker



Joined: 11/01/2008
Posts: 396

Message Posted:
12/02/2010 22:30

kibrissibel



" TCs are not Turkish and will never be, as a TC, I wouldn't want to be part of Turkey"



What do you think the TC's are if they are not Turkish?



You might not be ,but i certainly am and proud of it.



Biker

kibrissibel


Joined: 18/02/2008
Posts: 562

Message Posted:
13/02/2010 10:47

Hi Biker



No, I don't consider myself to be Turkish. In the same way I don't consider Greek Cypriots to be Greek. I consider myself to be Turkish Cypriot (and proud of it)

measey


Joined: 07/02/2009
Posts: 1037

Message Posted:
13/02/2010 13:22

Hey jock. calm down lifes about opions .