Turkish Cyprus approves resolution on guarantorship role

AlsancakJack



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Message Posted:
25/02/2010 12:10

It is all over bar the shouting.

http://www.worldbulletin.net/news_detail.php?id=54624

clayton


Joined: 30/11/2008
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Message Posted:
25/02/2010 13:33

alsancakjack

please could you explain what this will mean.

thanks.sorry im thick

Tenakoutou



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Message Posted:
25/02/2010 13:54

It means that the TC's know that the Turkish Army have no intention of pulling out of TRNC!

erolz


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Message Posted:
25/02/2010 14:09

From the period Dec 63 through to 74 the TC lived under a government that had ignored its own consitutional court rulings, arbitarily declared aspects of legaly binding international agreements and its own consitution 'no longer in force' without any legal due process and where the Interior Minister, amongst others, was controlling bands of ethnic based armed milita thugs that were killing innocent TC simply because they were TC and not GC with impunity and without any fear of prosecution for such acts. This was happening whilst the Cypriot consitution was 'guaranteed' by Turkey, Greece and the UK and whilst there were UN troops stationed IN cyprus.



Why then should or would TC today want guarantees and gurantors as part of any new agreement ? Simply because history has shown clearly that a signature on an internationaly binding agreement was NOT suficent to protect either their rights granted under that agreement or indeed their lives.

clayton


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Message Posted:
25/02/2010 14:38

mess3

thanks for the reply

Oleander


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Message Posted:
25/02/2010 16:12

Seems pretty meaningless rhetoric at the end of the day which is why the international media has ignored it. The TC leadership will do as Turkey orders - just as they always have done. You don't bite the hand that feeds you and has you under occupation.

erolz


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Message Posted:
25/02/2010 18:27

Oleander, eric or whatever it is you wish to be called today I am not sure what you think is meaningless rehtoric. The RoC resolution passed by the house of representatives, or the TRNC one that was a response to it. The fact is that the RoC resolution was and is materialy damaging to the ongoing negotiations.



To try and make out that it is only Turkey that wants a role as guarantor in any future settlement and that TC do not care about this or really want it themselves but have to tow the Turkish line is just a gross distorition of reality of a type that is frankly typical of you.



The simple reality is that having Turkey as some kind of role as guarantor for any future settlement is extremely important to most TC. The reason why this is so is clear. It is because we HAD an agreement in 1960 and in 1964 the GC arbitarily decided that the agreement was unfair and thus they were not bound by it and in response the rest of the world did nothing, despite guarantees.

greylag


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Message Posted:
25/02/2010 19:37

So whats the point of having an agreement if countries do not adhere to it,

Grey.

erolz


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Message Posted:
25/02/2010 19:55

That is a good and valid question Grey with no easy answer.



The hope is that any new agreement would be honoured and abided by, but given that previous ones were not then gurantees and gurantors are an inevitable and necessary aspect of any new settlement. Whilst I understand GC concerns re guarantor rights these could and should be addressed via negotiation on the details of what rights are granted and what are not and under what circumstances. To simply say there can be no such guarantors to any new agreement, given the central role that failure to abide by previous agreements played in creating the cyprus problem as it exists today, is not the position of someone genuinely looking to reach an agreed settlement, but rather to undermine the chance of such.

andre 514


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Message Posted:
26/02/2010 00:01

but the guarantor has always cast a long shadow over the negociating table



arguably, it almost trivializes the much-chewed over property "issue"

which is at least theoreticaly amenable to compromise given a modicum of trust



if you like, the "guarantor" (turkey's continued support and committment)

is as vital to the north of the island as the gc's feelings about their basic obsession:

ie to reoccupy and transform mere token ownership into reality on the ground



...though the latter is so unlikely that purchasers need pretend no moral qualms



but since both the "guarantee demand" and the "reoccupation demand"

cannot ever exist within the same framework,

it should by now be be crystal-clear why these talks could not have succeeded



sadly for some at least, the illusion of the ghost clipper compromise,

a phantom wafted ever-further from cyprus on the breeze

...is replaced by the rusty but solid and reliable good ship partition