Three Words - greek, Shoot, Foot - in North Cyprus??

awellwisher


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Message Posted:
30/03/2010 02:01

Does anyone have a view of the implications??



DIRECT TRADE REGULATION AGAIN ON THE AGENDA OF THE EU



The European Union has launched a new initiative to re-table the EU Direct trade regulation for the TRNC following the endorsement of the Lisbon treaty.







The European Parliament has appointed a Rapporteur for the Direct Trade regulation, prepared on the 26th of April 2004 following the referendum on the Annan Plan.



According to the Lisbon Treaty, the Greek Cypriot Side will no longer be able to veto the coming into force of the Direct Trade regulation intended to ease the international isolation of the Turkish Cypriots.

Within the framework of the initiative, the European Parliament’s International Trade Committee appointed Italian Liberal Democrat Niccolo Rinaldi to prepare a report on the regulation.



Debates on the regulation will be held at the meeting of the committee scheduled to take place in Strasbourg on the 19th of April. If approved by the European Parliame

awellwisher


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Message Posted:
30/03/2010 02:11

Cont.



If approved by the European Parliament, the report will be put to the endorsement of the EU Council.



There will be no longer need for a unanimous vote amongst member countries for the approval of the regulation once the endorsement of the Lisbon treaty.



A qualified majority will be sufficient, meaning that the Greek Cypriot Side will no longer be able to veto the regulation.

kimig


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Message Posted:
30/03/2010 05:51

Well - ring the bells, put up the banners - that's the best news I've heard in YEARS. I eagerly await developments! (BTW, contrary to many on this board, I am not being facetious - I really think it's great!!)

catalkoykid


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Message Posted:
30/03/2010 09:17

i have read reports on this, it looks like they will get this through.

Lilli



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Message Posted:
30/03/2010 09:27

roll on the 19th april x

No1Doyen


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Message Posted:
30/03/2010 09:28

Fantastic news.

greylag


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Message Posted:
30/03/2010 09:31

Just spat my tea all over, is this true,

Grey.

hattikins


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Message Posted:
30/03/2010 10:02

The GC side have already spat out the dummy on this, Christofias has said they must try to stop this, I wonder why that is !

catalkoykid


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Message Posted:
30/03/2010 10:03

message 7 yes its very true lol have another cuppa

jacktheladett


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Message Posted:
30/03/2010 10:36

Europe's promises have come to nothing in the past, fingers crossed they will do the right thing this time.

TRNCVaughan


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Message Posted:
30/03/2010 10:47

Can we have a link to this, please?

No1Doyen


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Message Posted:
30/03/2010 10:57

I'm optimistic on this.

awellwisher


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Message Posted:
30/03/2010 11:27

www.trncinfo.com

catalkoykid


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Message Posted:
30/03/2010 15:58

http://www.trncpio.org/trncpio/tr/index.asp?sayfa=haberdetay&newsid=63

Jetski


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Message Posted:
30/03/2010 16:44

Squeak you bubbles - squeak. Their nemesis is streaking towards them. For GREED read GREEK. They will fall upon their own swords.



Blinkin 'ek - thats enough metaphors for one day....... back to the balcony!

wanderer


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Message Posted:
30/03/2010 16:47

"OH WHAT A PITY WHAT A SHAME"

In the words of the Sgt major in It Tint Half Hot Mom

Ailletoo


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Message Posted:
30/03/2010 16:56

Great News! Fingers Crossed!

No1Doyen


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Message Posted:
30/03/2010 18:23

The proposal of EU Commissioner Responsible for Enlargement Stefan Fule to put the Direct Trade Regulation on the agenda of the European Parliament International Trade Committee created turmoil in the Greek Side.

With the execution of the Lisbon Treaty instead of the EU Constitution, the Greek Cypriot side has lost the right to veto the Direct Trade Regulation which is on the Agenda of the European Parliament International Trade Committee.

It has been expected that Italian Liberal Democrat member Niccolo Rinaldi shall prepare the report directed to the Direct Trade Regulation and submit it to the European Parliament International Trade Committee whish shall convene on 19 April in Strasbourg.

According to the political analysts, depending on the negotiations and the result of the elections in the TRNC the regulation shall be submitted to the approval l of the EP until June. If the report is approved than it shall be submitted to the approval of the EU Council. For the decision

swannee7


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Message Posted:
30/03/2010 18:55

Out of the darkness .....and into the light. The prospects and potential for TRNC are endless if this is eventually accepted by the EU Council (as set out in Doyen's msge. 18). Well done for spotting the article, Awellwisher and thanks for sharing it with us.

No1Doyen


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Message Posted:
30/03/2010 18:57

The good times will be returning to the TRNC.

Jovial_John


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Message Posted:
30/03/2010 19:09

The potential of this for all of us is immense and well done to Awellwisher. It is the best thing I have heard in the 5 years I have lived here. It is the end of isolation. From this will come cheaper prices, direct flights and a massive increase in property prices and it will give the whip hand to TRNC in the re-unification talks.

So why are there 27 posts on "Is there a call for a dog groomer" and 41 on "great new cafe in Bahceli" but only 19 on this tremendous news?

As Monty Python said "Pray that there is intelligent life somewhere out in space because there's bugger all down here on Earth".

Tenakoutou



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Message Posted:
30/03/2010 19:10

RoC have direct trade already, and 'Southern Shoppers' will testify to the fact that prices have skyrocketed!



With no legislation for a sensible retail price control maintenance system in force, either side, will TRNC consumers be any better off?

catalkoykid


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Message Posted:
30/03/2010 19:21

yes if they stay out of the euro lol

No1Doyen


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Message Posted:
30/03/2010 19:25

J J. I'd be happy just to get the direct flights.

newlad



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Message Posted:
30/03/2010 20:00

Re-Mess 21 well said Jovial John,

I post on here on a regular basis and do fall into the football trap on ocassions,but hey ho we all our crosses to bear.But when i read this post earlier i thought JESUS,this is absouluteley brilliant news.What i dont understand is the amount of people that have brushed this topic aside and decided not to add to it.Recognition for The Republic of Northern Cyprus needs to be hailed from the top of the five fingered mountain range and not whispered from some cold hidden corner.No power of veto from the Greek Cypriot side is music to my ears.Roll on April the 19th in Strasbourg,which incidentally is the day after Mehmet Talat will win the next election,

Paul.





p.s.Anyone know where i can buy some size two knitting needles.

Lilli



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Message Posted:
30/03/2010 20:04

why do you needles paul, knitting a very big flag to drap over the mountains , greaT NEWS , April is going to be a great month xx

No1Doyen


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Message Posted:
30/03/2010 20:05

Bring it on!!...

newlad



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Message Posted:
30/03/2010 20:10

Lilli,

I dont really need knitting needles i was being sarcastic regarding posts about triviality as mentioned earlier on this thread,lol.

malsancak


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Message Posted:
30/03/2010 20:12

I've looked on the debate schedule for the European Parliament for 19th April and can find nothing about the Direct Trade Regulation being debated.

http://www.europarl.europa.eu/sides/getDoc.do?type=AGENDA&reference=20100419&secondRef=SIT&language=EN#top

newlad



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Message Posted:
30/03/2010 20:23

Mal,

It has to be approved by the European Parliament yet i think,

Paul.

Tenakoutou



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Message Posted:
30/03/2010 20:34

Reading Malsacak's link: I reckon it's too early for the slightest euphoria, or jubilation.



Remember, last year, and featured prominently in 'CY Today', the 'Direct Flights' farce? - That was a 'fizzer'.



This 'brilliant news' emanates from the TRNC Public Information Office........say no more!

newlad



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Message Posted:
30/03/2010 20:41

Just another dream then.Think not this time Tenak,

Paul.

karakum5c



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Message Posted:
30/03/2010 20:41

Its all Greek to me................

Stubs


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Message Posted:
30/03/2010 21:29

All these stories have been going on for years and years and years. In fact i remember the then Tourism minister in 2003 saying that direct flights will be a reality by the end of year. Seven years later...................



Having the ability of Direct Flights is one thing however there is hardly a list of airlines waiting in the wings to fly to Ercan is there?



As for Direct Trade..................................sorry to break the news but it already exists!!!!

catalkoykid


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Message Posted:
30/03/2010 21:44

yes and no one see the echr decision coming but it did, have faith

andre 514


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Message Posted:
30/03/2010 22:15

stubs,



the ercan flights problem might be a trickier legal hurdle but there

is a clear pattern now emerging



only the turkish cypriots voted in favour of a compromise

which had strong support from the international community:

after the 2004 referendum it was, sadly, the greek cypriot republic that

consistently blocked the resulting direct trade "thank you" from the eu



now this opposition MAY be neutralised where the majority of eu mp's

can only see benefits for the people of the north with no harm to any

remaining prospects for any cyprus agreement



likewise the ECHR has just rewarded the north by acknowledging that the

IPC of turkey is a responsible local body to consider land claims



earlier you said something rather along these lines:

"ex-pats may be surprised that unification is sooner than they think"



with respect you'd have found dozens of supporters of your "unification"

in cyprus 44/2009, if only for the likely increase in their property's value

Stubs


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Message Posted:
30/03/2010 23:08

Andre



With respect Direct Trade in the TRNC does exist today.



There are many ex-pats who would prefer the status quo to continue for their own selfish reasons but do so under the guise of support for Turkish Cypriots.



Let me ask you this. How many expats would support a "unification" if it meant they had to give up their houses that have been built on non TC/Foreign title land prior to 74?

Jetski


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Message Posted:
30/03/2010 23:17

Stubs - surely thats why the IPC exists?. Just look a little deeper.

Stubs


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Message Posted:
30/03/2010 23:45

Jetski



The IPC is only in existence until a potential settlement or 2011 whichever is sooner.



So back to my question then how many ex-pats would support a "unification" if it meant that they had to give up what they have built on non TC/Foreign land prior to 74?



Would you Jetski?

andre 514


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Message Posted:
30/03/2010 23:54

stubs,



as I'd imagine you also see things, north cyprus is economically blockaded

but perhaps we would just view the "pros and cons" of this a little differently



couldn't agree with you more about "selfish reasons"

it is clear that ex-pats often secretly place themselves before their tc neighbours

...I trust that all the similar sentiments concerning "our turkish cypriots",

still spewing from the mouths of greek cypriot supporters is a tad more genuine



my answer to your final question has to be a resounding "none"!

but how fortunate then you remember to include the word "if" in your hypothesis



andre

Tiggy


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Message Posted:
31/03/2010

No mmmmmm's ??????

andre 514


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Message Posted:
31/03/2010 00:08

tiggy,



I think our telecommunications specialist is only temporarily stumped

while suffering these hammer blows to his cause

but no doubt he will be back soon enough as soon as he finds a new angle

and don't forget he alone predicted the importance of the echr/ipc decision



andre

Stubs


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Message Posted:
31/03/2010 00:28

Andre



I disagree with you regards the economic blockade. From experience I can tell you it is a little more than a facade.

Jetski


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Message Posted:
31/03/2010 00:39

Stubs - msg 39.



Unfortunately you are pre-supposing that I have built on pre 74 bubble-land, which I haven't. Not ALL ex-pat Brits in the North are the 'carpetbaggers' that you lot seem to paint them. Get the facts before making accusations.

andre 514


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Message Posted:
31/03/2010 09:42

as regards "carpetbagging" abusive language often a resort of the weak,

I would have said until very recently it instead depends on your point of view



now however the ECHR as part of a significant statement

recognises the error of turfing present occupants out of their homes,

clearly a futile method of righting any wrongs that may lie in the distant past



while international opinion favours a local agreement for cyprus,

the fact that the two sides still seem to want contradictory things

...means one such is just as far away as it ever was



while what is essentially on offer from the cypriot turkish side

has got progressively less in recent years



for example there now seems to be no land for peace on the table as in 2004

so the phrase "missed the boat" springs to mind,

but since it is neither my dispute nor that of the ECHR perhaps not appropriate

greylag


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Message Posted:
31/03/2010 09:45

http://www.northcyprus.biz/north_cyprus_FeedRedir.asp?FID=10546



Just found this,which links up pretty niceley,

Grey.

Stubs


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Message Posted:
31/03/2010 12:32

Jetski



What do you mean "your lot?"



Firstly as I dont know you how would I possibly know what type of investment you have in the TRNC? It was a general question Jetski. If you owned (and i mean if) would you be prepared to loose what you have built if it was part of a settlement?





To clarify the facts many ex-pats have bought land which is non Turkish or foreign title pre 74, that is a fact. So how many would be willing to support a settlement if it meant them loosing what they had?



The answer maybe found in the form of the shape of the centre of a dohnut

awellwisher


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Message Posted:
31/03/2010 12:34

This will also make life easier for Christofias as he can now tell the other GC's that the property question is out of his hands and blame everything on the EU. A nice getout for him methinks.

TRNCVaughan


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Message Posted:
31/03/2010 12:50

Jovial John,



msg 21.



I have often wondered why this forum was inhabited by some people more concerned with stray dogs and the price of Efes than monumental occasions such as the recent IPC acceptance by ECHR and this latest item.

I think it may be something to do with attention span and the ability to digest information.

catalkoykid


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Message Posted:
31/03/2010 12:54

very nice TRNCVaughan lol

deecyprus4


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Message Posted:
31/03/2010 12:56

Vaughan, most posters on here can barely spell their own names and you expect them to be able to read and digest..you are surely having a laugh... )))))

Jetski


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Message Posted:
31/03/2010 16:15

Stubs - IF is the operand here, and I'm sure you're right about the doughnut.

Stubs


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Message Posted:
31/03/2010 16:25

Jetski



It just annoys me that so many ex-pats would support and indeed on these and other bbs are quite happy to add to the anti GC feeling but do so under the guise of support for the Turkish Cypriots.



Ironic really as they have absolutely no say in any potential settlement.



ps if it helps out i have on dvd a copy of the then prime minister soyer on Sky news from a few years ago who stated that Turkey would compensate any buyers of land in the TRNC. Will put on ebay for the highest bidder ;-)



However back to the original subject on this thread.



Direct Trade does exist and does go on so this directive will change nothing absolutely zero from what it is today.

Tenakoutou



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Message Posted:
31/03/2010 16:46

Msg 53:



Perhaps it hasn't occurred to you, Stubs, that the diminishing lack of international support for GC's and the RoC attitude to settlement is entirely of their own making - they're doing a fine job on their own - they don't need any 'help' from TRNC expats!



Just ask around the halls of Bruxelles - you'll soon elicit a universal response!

kaysera


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Message Posted:
31/03/2010 17:02

Stubs, you ask: "To clarify the facts many ex-pats have bought land which is non Turkish or foreign title pre 74, that is a fact. So how many would be willing to support a settlement if it meant them loosing what they had?







The answer maybe found in the form of the shape of the centre of a dohnut"



Should you not also ask, how many Turkish and Turkish Cypriots would be willing to lose what they have, including what money they have made on selling land and property to ex-pats? Why just ex-pats???

jacktheladett


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Message Posted:
31/03/2010 17:07

Can we not get bogged down in semantics here. The point is, that its another tick in the box for this side, it is another very welcome and positive step forward.

No G.C. veto, no 'big brother' breathing down their necks saying 'no you can't do this', and 'no you can't have that.' The pressure is being lifted, and freedom is being felt; that is more important than anything else.

newlad



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Message Posted:
31/03/2010 19:57

The shackles are being removed and the bullies are being rounded up.There dulcet tones will no longer be listened to and dismissed.Time to get out the bunting and celebrate,

Paul.

andre 514


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Message Posted:
31/03/2010 20:38

stubs:



you earlier criticized expats as "carpetbaggers"

but then later complain they are guilty of "anti-gc feelings"!



reminds me very much of archie rice in "the entertainer":

"I do have a go missus, I do have a go"



but for what result? ...you keep us all wondering



andre

natalie


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Message Posted:
31/03/2010 21:03

I don't post vey often but follow the politics of my adopted country very closely. If I were to loose everything tomorrow for whatever reason and no I have burnt my bridges like many others, the last six years have been heaven and I want for the Turks of Cyprus whatever will make their future something to look forward too. This news is just the most exciting ever.

Jimmyboy63


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Message Posted:
31/03/2010 21:04

This can only be good news for all expats who invested there money here in property.



mr stubs what is your point??? of course all expats who but property here as investment or to retire want there investment to grow in value so this good news can only be good for the future of North Cyprus

and it would also be good if The orams could now turn there case back in there favour after what has happened recently

Stubs


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Message Posted:
01/04/2010 11:46

Andre



Re msg 58



At no point have I referred to anyone as a "carpetbagger"



Please re-read the posts

Stubs


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Message Posted:
01/04/2010 11:55

keysera



I understand you point and made this at the time when the Orams received their "summons" way back on another defunkt bb.



Im sure at the time Ismet answered the question although I cant remember what he gave as an answer.



After all these are the people who have profited most out of such transactions.



The key difference though is that TC's have a say in any potential settlement many others do not!!

Stubs


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Message Posted:
01/04/2010 12:01

I fear many of you are getting excited about very little.



As I have pointed out direct trade already exists!!!!!



Also the scource of this information is the TRNC.info site and as Mal had stated earlier it is not on the debate schedule on the European parliament website. How strange is that?



Over the years its all been said and promised.



Direct Flights by the end of the year etc etc. This has been promised almost every year since 2003.



Sorry to burst the bubble folks

catalkoykid


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Message Posted:
01/04/2010 12:36

stubs you cant tell me the ECHR ruling, is not worth getting excited about lol

Stubs


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Message Posted:
01/04/2010 12:52

Catalkoy kid



It is something which is very welcome and hopefully will give restitution to some GC's and settle some land disputes.



With regards this what happens once a GC has settled his claim as has been done in the past what category do the title deeds fall under?? Does anyone know?



The difference between the ECHR ruling is that it is something which is a positive step. This information regards direct trade, which exists now, has been released by trnc.info but is conspicous with its absense from the European parliament debate schedule.

scootex



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Message Posted:
01/04/2010 12:55

Hi Just got back from a weeks holiday and read all the post's about the GC veto thing but then realized it's April fools day .I will believe it when I see it as passed by the european parliament

Jovial_John


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Message Posted:
01/04/2010 15:16

DIRECT TRADE.

Nobody is promising that this will happen.

The EU promised the Turkish Cypriots that the restrictions on them would be eased if they voted "yes" to the Annan Plan. To be fair the EU tried to honour this promise and put forward a "regulation" to overturn the direct trade ban. However, by then South Cyprus was an EU member and they vetoed the move.

Now, since the Lisbon Treaty has been ratified, the EU is looking at a resubmission of the regulation because South Cyprus has no veto and majority voting will decide. An Italian MEP has been tasked to prepare a submission paper which will be discussed in April and then, hopefully, be submitted to the Parliament for approval.



ECHR RULING

The key point is not that the ECHR approved the IPC but that they stated in their ruling that there could be no presumption that restitution is a fair way to resolve the problem after 35 years and that the rights of current occupiers must be recognised.

breezyboy


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Message Posted:
01/04/2010 15:23

Just e-mailed our Euro MP, having found out who he was!

Asked for his help in April debate, now wait and see if he returns my e-mail.

awellwisher


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Posts: 28

Message Posted:
09/04/2010 11:04

I noticed this in a Turkish paper-



Within the framework of the initiative, the European Parliament’s International Trade Committee appointed Italian Liberal Democrat Niccolo Rinaldi to prepare a report on the regulation.

Debates on the regulation will be held at the meeting of the committee scheduled to take place in Strasbourg on the 19th of April.





The TRNC info page also stated that-



Depending on the “qualified majority- voting” provision of the Lisbon Agreement, the EU Commission presented the Direct Trade regulation for the approval of the European Parliament at the beginning of last month.

newlad



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Message Posted:
09/04/2010 11:35

The Strasbourg meeting isnt anything new and has been pencilled in for a while now.It is interesting,though that it is the day after the North Cyprus election.Maybe just a coincidence,

Paul.

BatteryBoy


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Posts: 125

Message Posted:
09/04/2010 23:20

Hi I have just read all 70 messages on this long standing battle.



What about one of you going to the EU and all the other parties involved in this never ending story, and put your case forward. They might understand the problem better. That is why nothing gets sorted,cos they dont understand us ENGLISH

Blackbird



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Message Posted:
10/04/2010 01:20

I hope this is true....good news????

awellwisher


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Message Posted:
10/04/2010 11:56

I agree it is not entirely new news but the latest bickering from the GC's leads me to think that this thing is gathering pace re-



http://www.cyprus-mail.com/cyprus/bickering-increases-over-direct-trade/20100409



"Bickering increases over direct trade" in todays Cyprus mail online