A must see film - Sharia Law

rocking


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Message Posted:
03/04/2010 20:38

I have just seen a film called 'The Stoning of Soraya M' - it is a superb film, but extremely disturbing - I was in floods of tears throughout. I read somewhere that Sharia Law was wanted by some parts of the north of England - well those calling for it should watch this film. It was purchased from the DVD shop on the main road in Alsancak. I have never put anything on this forum advertising films etc., but this really is a must and it is based on a true story by a French journalist.

Tootie


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Message Posted:
03/04/2010 20:43

Yes I agree Rita. I watched it last week, very moving and will stay with you for a long time!



Review: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1277737/

No1Doyen


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Message Posted:
03/04/2010 20:51

Rita. Can I borrow your copy next time I'm over?

Jeannie


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Message Posted:
03/04/2010 21:03

Oh, cheers Bill - you beat me to it. I was going to ask Rita if we could borrow it

Jeannie


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Message Posted:
03/04/2010 21:04

On second thoughts Bill - we'll just come round your place to watch it - that way, you can provide the beer

No1Doyen


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Message Posted:
03/04/2010 21:07

No problems. )

Yinglis


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Message Posted:
03/04/2010 21:08

Have just watched Inglorious Basterds with Brad Pitt & was a bit disturbing but good , How much to post a DVD to France ?? anyone interested ? Buy from Amazon & its 2.95 Euros from UK but would be interested in buying from TRNC .

Linnyloos


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Message Posted:
03/04/2010 22:03

Could I ask for someone to get me a copy of this film please? I am out on 15th April and in Karsiyaka.



Thanks Linda

Linnyloos


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Message Posted:
03/04/2010 23:33

Forgot to add, of course I will pay for it.



Thanks

Lilli



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Message Posted:
04/04/2010

linnyloos i will get you a copy when i go to get mine. You should all also get the zeitgeist movie , it really opens your eyes re money, war and 9/11 xxxxxx

Linnyloos


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Message Posted:
04/04/2010 00:03

Thanks Lilli. I am coming to Guidos so will pay you then. Please also get the Zeitgeist if possible too.

Thanks again

Linda

Lilli



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Message Posted:
04/04/2010 00:26

hi linny will do ,it has to be seen to be beleived. it stars of on religion and im a catholic dev out to my faith but it made me question it. on the 9/11 it really beggars beleif xxxxx

Navek



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Message Posted:
04/04/2010 00:34

Hi Lilli,

Zeitgeist sounds good....



http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1166827/plotsummary



Navek

Lilli



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Message Posted:
04/04/2010 00:48

Nav thats a very good sumary, you really have to take notice as it makes you think espicially the banks and the theory re 9/11, you end up questioning your own befiefs xxxxxxx

Linnyloos


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Message Posted:
04/04/2010 01:50

Thanks Lilli. See you soon x

Tootie


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Message Posted:
04/04/2010 02:55

http://www.zeitgeistmovie.com/



As I have said to Lilli and other people, Watch this program because this is far more than just a movie/film.

Its your opinion.



http://www.thezeitgeistmovement.com/

deecyprus4


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Message Posted:
04/04/2010 10:51

I am assuming this poor woman was stoned to death?????...why would anyone want to watch such a barbaric act.

Jeannie


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Message Posted:
04/04/2010 11:09

Dee - I think the book/film is rather more about Sharia law and the 'punishments' meted out by those who adhere to it. Rita is absolutely right in what she says, that there are large communities in the UK who would like the law to be adopted. Indeed, I saw a documentary a short while ago showing that in some communities, it is followed, albeit 'behind closed doors'.

deecyprus4


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Message Posted:
04/04/2010 11:19

Hi Jeannie, I understand that but I still couldnt watch this film, we all know what Sharia Law is and it's doctrines, just makes me shiver that people want to watch it.

Jeannie


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Message Posted:
04/04/2010 11:25

Hi Dee - sorry, I wasn't for a minute insinuating that you didn't know anything about Sharia law.



I agree with you, it's totally barbaric and, as Rita said, it's obviously a very disturbing film.



Looking forward to seeing you both in June



Take care.



Love

J

x

deecyprus4


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Message Posted:
04/04/2010 11:31

Jeannie, I know you weren't probably see you in Guido's and look forward to it very much xx

Tootie


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Message Posted:
04/04/2010 12:22

I will take my copy of The Stoning of Soraya M and Zeitgeist to Guidos this week if folks want to borrow it.

Linnyloos


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Message Posted:
04/04/2010 14:01

Lilli, can you give me directions to Guidos from Karsiyaka please?

Linda

Lilli



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Message Posted:
04/04/2010 18:52

Hi Linny, picked up your film today. from yours just drive down the lapta road till you come to mare monte sign we are the next block of units by pizzaking, left hand side, they are one end of the block we are the other, my number is 05338336911 if you have any probs. look forward to seeing you xxxx

Linnyloos


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Message Posted:
04/04/2010 19:11

Thanks Lilli. Looking forward to seeing you too and sampling your food. Hmmmmmm yummy. Italian is my favourite x

No1Doyen


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Message Posted:
04/04/2010 20:57

I believe they practice Sharia Law in some communities in the UK.

Tenakoutou



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Message Posted:
05/04/2010 10:37

No1Doyen/Msg 26:



UK authorities should round them all up, asap, and deport the lot of them - or does the PC mentality and lack of political will preclude such a sensible action?

dalartokat


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Message Posted:
05/04/2010 10:59

No1Doyen message 26. Where do you believe they practice Sharia Law in the UK and what part of Sharia Law is practiced in the UK??

Linnyloos


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Message Posted:
05/04/2010 12:09

Also, recommended reading is 'Fatwa. Living with a death threat' by Jackie Trevane. Powerful reading, I couldn't put the book down. I have a copy in N Cyprus, albeit falling apart. If this book saves one woman then so be it.



Her husband has posted on loads of websites looking for her still. Madness.



They can't honestly think they can bring a law into GB like this surely?

No1Doyen


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Message Posted:
05/04/2010 12:23

Dalartokat. Can't remember the name of the town-somewhere around the midlands. There was a programme on TV interviewing members of a community who said that they practiced 'some form' of Sharia Law.

No1Doyen


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Message Posted:
05/04/2010 12:26

Here's an article:



ISLAMIC law has been officially adopted in Britain, with sharia courts given powers to rule on Muslim civil cases.



The government has quietly sanctioned the powers for sharia judges to rule on cases ranging from divorce and financial disputes to those involving domestic violence.



Rulings issued by a network of five sharia courts are enforceable with the full power of the judicial system, through the county courts or High Court.

No1Doyen


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Message Posted:
05/04/2010 12:27

It has now emerged that sharia courts with these powers have been set up in London, Birmingham, Bradford and Manchester with the network’s headquarters in Nuneaton, Warwickshire. Two more courts are being planned for Glasgow and Edinburgh.



Sheikh Faiz-ul-Aqtab Siddiqi, whose Muslim Arbitration Tribunal runs the courts, said he had taken advantage of a clause in the Arbitration Act 1996.



Under the act, the sharia courts are classified as arbitration tribunals. The rulings of arbitration tribunals are binding in law, provided that both parties in the dispute agree to give it the power to rule on their case.

No1Doyen


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Message Posted:
05/04/2010 12:28

Siddiqi said: “We realised that under the Arbitration Act we can make rulings which can be enforced by county and high courts. The act allows disputes to be resolved using alternatives like tribunals. This method is called alternative dispute resolution, which for Muslims is what the sharia courts are.”



The disclosure that Muslim courts have legal powers in Britain comes seven months after Rowan Williams, the Archbishop of Canterbury, was pilloried for suggesting that the establishment of sharia in the future “seems unavoidable” in Britain.

No1Doyen


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Message Posted:
05/04/2010 12:29

In July, the head of the judiciary, the lord chief justice, Lord Phillips, further stoked controversy when he said that sharia could be used to settle marital and financial disputes.



In fact, Muslim tribunal courts started passing sharia judgments in August 2007. They have dealt with more than 100 cases that range from Muslim divorce and inheritance to nuisance neighbours.



It has also emerged that tribunal courts have settled six cases of domestic violence between married couples, working in tandem with the police investigations.

No1Doyen


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Message Posted:
05/04/2010 12:29

Siddiqi said he expected the courts to handle a greater number of “smaller” criminal cases in coming years as more Muslim clients approach them. “All we are doing is regulating community affairs in these cases,” said Siddiqi, chairman of the governing council of the tribunal.



Jewish Beth Din courts operate under the same provision in the Arbitration Act and resolve civil cases, ranging from divorce to business disputes. They have existed in Britain for more than 100 years, and previously operated under a precursor to the act.



Politicians and church leaders expressed concerns that this could mark the beginnings of a “parallel legal system” based on sharia for some British Muslims.

No1Doyen


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Message Posted:
05/04/2010 12:30

Dominic Grieve, the shadow home secretary, said: “If it is true that these tribunals are passing binding decisions in the areas of family and criminal law, I would like to know which courts are enforcing them because I would consider such action unlawful. British law is absolute and must remain so.”



Douglas Murray, the director of the Centre for Social Cohesion, said: “I think it’s appalling. I don’t think arbitration that is done by sharia should ever be endorsed or enforced by the British state.”



There are concerns that women who agree to go to tribunal courts are getting worse deals because Islamic law favours men.

No1Doyen


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Message Posted:
05/04/2010 12:31

Siddiqi said that in a recent inheritance dispute handled by the court in Nuneaton, the estate of a Midlands man was divided between three daughters and two sons.



The judges on the panel gave the sons twice as much as the daughters, in accordance with sharia. Had the family gone to a normal British court, the daughters would have got equal amounts.



In the six cases of domestic violence, Siddiqi said the judges ordered the husbands to take anger management classes and mentoring from community elders. There was no further punishment.

No1Doyen


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Message Posted:
05/04/2010 12:32

In each case, the women subsequently withdrew the complaints they had lodged with the police and the police stopped their investigations.



Siddiqi said that in the domestic violence cases, the advantage was that marriages were saved and couples given a second chance.



Inayat Bunglawala, assistant secretary-general of the Muslim Council of Britain, said: “The MCB supports these tribunals. If the Jewish courts are allowed to flourish, so must the sharia ones.”

rocking


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Message Posted:
05/04/2010 17:45

No1Doyen - it is not my copy but will get it from Hazel and Bill for when you come over - looking forward to seeing you both - lazy lunch at Silver Rocks - let us know your dates via Steve.

Jeannie


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Message Posted:
05/04/2010 17:50

Thanks for all that info. Bill - I knew I had seen a documentary on this on TV, but couldn't remember many of the details.



Rita - please don't forget to give the copy to Bill - it's all round to his place and he's even buying the beers Hope you're well.



Jean and Paul (The Wicks)

xx

No1Doyen


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Message Posted:
05/04/2010 18:07

Rita, looking forward to seeing you soon.