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andy-f

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Message Posted: 22/04/2010 23:03 | Join or Login to Reply | Message 2 of 19 in Discussion |
| most sensible article ive read on this issue , well done the economist. andy |
No1Doyen

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Message Posted: 22/04/2010 23:13 | Join or Login to Reply | Message 3 of 19 in Discussion |
| Well balanced article. |
Lilli


Joined: 21/07/2008 Posts: 13081
Message Posted: 22/04/2010 23:58 | Join or Login to Reply | Message 4 of 19 in Discussion |
| from what i read even the FT had a view, they know us xxxxxxx |
smooth

Joined: 04/07/2009 Posts: 156
Message Posted: 22/04/2010 23:59 | Join or Login to Reply | Message 5 of 19 in Discussion |
| a good article and thanks for posting it greenman. It does sum up the situation for the north. The direct trade vote will be the test here as it will put pressure on the GC's. They did cheat their way into the EU and want to remain victims in the eyes of the world, this has changed since the referendum, and like the article has said, they have been "negotiating" for 35 years, no armed conflict in the interim and crossing the borders has become easier. We are LIVING the solution, just need the GC's veto to be nullified and allow direct flights then watch the TRNC take off! |
andre 514

Joined: 31/03/2008 Posts: 1163
Message Posted: 23/04/2010 00:04 | Join or Login to Reply | Message 6 of 19 in Discussion |
| still adopting the agenda that cypriots don't know what's good for them 'course, a well-intentioned english mag bleating away on the fringe of europe, doesn't really know what it is to lose a family home let alone a family member ...perhaps that's the reason why the cypriots seem so darned obdurate? |
yorgozlu


Joined: 16/06/2009 Posts: 4437
Message Posted: 23/04/2010 00:58 | Join or Login to Reply | Message 7 of 19 in Discussion |
| re msg 6; andre 514; Spot on.You have well and truly summed it up. "trust" is a small word but has a big concept. However,WE (TCS/GCs)must make it look as if we are doing something in the eyes of REST OF THE WORLD. |
Lilli


Joined: 21/07/2008 Posts: 13081
Message Posted: 23/04/2010 01:08 | Join or Login to Reply | Message 8 of 19 in Discussion |
| whilst i really understand your cause and would hate to be part of it, Irish like your wife yourg.we had it al like you. please be to god your ,imr or whatever we find peace , You know most bought here as for the beauty, the value etc, we need to retain that xxxxxx |
MarkVPiazza

Joined: 14/08/2008 Posts: 530
Message Posted: 23/04/2010 11:49 | Join or Login to Reply | Message 9 of 19 in Discussion |
| I think this line says it all "Indeed, France and Germany shamelessly use Cyprus as another excuse to keep Turkey out." How can anyone expect the EU to assist, when it's two major members don't want a solution? Good luck Mr Eroglu, I'm sure you won't fall for any of the EU's tricks and schemes |
Middle Easter

Joined: 13/06/2007 Posts: 146
Message Posted: 23/04/2010 12:25 | Join or Login to Reply | Message 10 of 19 in Discussion |
| MarkV - all because France & Germany are dragging their feet re Turkey getting into the EU doesn't implicitly mean they do not want a solution to the Cyprus problem (or am I reading your positing incorrectly?) |
MarkVPiazza

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Message Posted: 23/04/2010 12:42 | Join or Login to Reply | Message 11 of 19 in Discussion |
| France and Germany (et al) do not want Turkey in the EU, but are afraid to say this to Turkey's face. Cyprus is a convenient stumbling block created by the EU on behalf of France & Germany & others. If the EU had wanted to solve the Cyprus problem, they would have (and should have by their own laws) only allowed a united Cyprus to join, i.e. no agreement on the Annan Plan in 2004 = no Cyprus entry into the EU. |
rdsteve

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Message Posted: 23/04/2010 15:20 | Join or Login to Reply | Message 12 of 19 in Discussion |
| If the RoC had not joined the EU there would have been no money going into the North so it is not all bad Steve |
MarkVPiazza

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Message Posted: 23/04/2010 16:24 | Join or Login to Reply | Message 13 of 19 in Discussion |
| Turkey = $600m per year EU = €259 over 6 years and counting If the RoC hadn't been given admission without an agreement, maybe they would have voted "YES" and these problems would have been solved Simple |
frontalman


Joined: 28/02/2008 Posts: 499
Message Posted: 24/04/2010 09:11 | Join or Login to Reply | Message 14 of 19 in Discussion |
| Mark, I think it was a bit more than 259 euros, wasn't it? |
andre 514

Joined: 31/03/2008 Posts: 1163
Message Posted: 24/04/2010 13:52 | Join or Login to Reply | Message 15 of 19 in Discussion |
| if the south of cyprus had actually voted "yes" as edxpected in 1974, then the unionists on this forum wouldn't have needed to be so creative in picturing an end to the de-facto partition of the island if the direct trade agreement leads to a rapprochment between the eu and turkey we'll all have a ringside seat if turkey ditches cyprus in return for various promises if anyone still imagines there can be one single solution to solve the cyprus question, they are in danger of ignoring the fact that some cyprus problems are already solved phew! |
girne 29

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Message Posted: 24/04/2010 14:14 | Join or Login to Reply | Message 16 of 19 in Discussion |
| Mark 'France and Germany (et al) do not want Turkey in the EU, but are afraid to say this to Turkey's face.' France and Germany afraid of Turkey?Dont think so, they ,especially Germany are quite capable of looking after themselves. I think its more that they dont want to risk future trade, rather than fear. The Cyprus Problem is of no interest to the average european,and what happens in regards of Cyprus will have no consequence either way on what the EU electorate.wants. If the people of Europe will it ,Turkey will get in ,if not, they wont.Personally I dont believe they will get in so perhaps it would be better for the cards to be laid on the table now and stop wasting time. |
andre 514

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Message Posted: 24/04/2010 18:24 | Join or Login to Reply | Message 17 of 19 in Discussion |
| agree totally girne 29 like the cyprus talks the grinding eu negociations will only peter out when one side or the other "blinks" first now I suppose I'll be accused, yet again, of "wanting" one outcome rather than another ho hum... |
Jetski

Joined: 21/07/2008 Posts: 584
Message Posted: 24/04/2010 20:38 | Join or Login to Reply | Message 18 of 19 in Discussion |
| Girne 29 - all points are totally correct. Lets see what happens to Greece now. RoC to follow. |
rcroton

Joined: 05/06/2008 Posts: 192
Message Posted: 24/04/2010 21:38 | Join or Login to Reply | Message 19 of 19 in Discussion |
| Good article, always good to read the comments as well!! |
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