Beneficial Owner (court recognition) in North Cyprus

wynyardman



Joined: 15/12/2007
Posts: 4580

Message Posted:
16/06/2010 21:45

Following advice from an Advocate.



Does The Law of The TRNC recognise you as Beneficial Owner of a property, if you have met your full contractrual



obligations, and the builder either demands more money, or just refuses to hand over the kochan.



Herein may be the answer to so many problems.



Does anyone know of an Advocate that has succeeded in an application to have a client declared thus?



wynyardman

rowlo



Joined: 12/10/2008
Posts: 4796

Message Posted:
16/06/2010 22:15

wyn , we all knew the kokan was going to be the hardest thing to aquire look at orams case? when you sighned contract with your lawyer ,it would have said you bought a holiday home , not a perminant residence ?

yorgozlu



Joined: 16/06/2009
Posts: 4437

Message Posted:
16/06/2010 22:35

now now rowlo,you started telling again what others dont want to hear!!!

rowlo



Joined: 12/10/2008
Posts: 4796

Message Posted:
16/06/2010 22:43

yorgo , theyve got to listen sometimes ? theyre not in england any more , theyre gonna protest ,10,000 of them , 5 gives you 20 , not one will speak turkish ?

wynyardman



Joined: 15/12/2007
Posts: 4580

Message Posted:
16/06/2010 22:49

rowlo.



I do not see your point! As far as I know there was no mention of holiday home, or permanent residence.



Is it relevant?



wyn

yorgozlu



Joined: 16/06/2009
Posts: 4437

Message Posted:
16/06/2010 22:52

rowlo,I know what would have happened if these took place in UK by TCs!!!!!!!!!



"Go back to where you came from and learn some english first!!"



I KNOW.



no more JD for me tonight.

rowlo



Joined: 12/10/2008
Posts: 4796

Message Posted:
16/06/2010 23:01

yes wyn i think so , when we bought , our solicitor advised us to fill in the holiday home forms , simply because we would not be their year round and she could deal with every thing cyprus end , then call us if a problem arrived , we have purchased now in full ,and love our place , we had no hastle at all .

rowlo



Joined: 12/10/2008
Posts: 4796

Message Posted:
16/06/2010 23:15

yorgo ,lay of them JDs my friend ,KKTC for ever .

cronos


Joined: 26/10/2008
Posts: 2093

Message Posted:
17/06/2010 01:46

Yorgozlu...msg 6

You do neither yourself or the TRNC any favours with your flippant justifications of the inequities in the TRNC legal system pertaining to property.

If you can genuinely reconcile in your own blinkered mind the misfortune that has befallen the many victims of the wholesale property scam in the TRNC then you should be ashamed of yourself.

fiendishpaul


Joined: 18/05/2008
Posts: 1720

Message Posted:
17/06/2010 08:09

Yorgozlu (msg 6)



rowlo,I know what would have happened if these took place in UK by TCs!!!!!!!!!



"Go back to where you came from and learn some english first!!"



There would not be a requirement for protests in the UK as, unlike in the TRNC there are laws to protect buyers which are implemented not ignored.



You need to remember that migrants in the UK have rights, access to benefits, healthcare, jobs without paying a single penny into government coffers. Is it unreasonable to expect them to learn the language ?

Expats in the TRNC have none of these rights but are expected to contribute significantly via 'taxes' such as residency, driving licences, fishing licences etc etc.



I fully understand and appreciate your passionate support of the TRNC but in this case you need to remove the blinkers and stop trying to defend the indefensible.



Regards



Paul

MaggieAndBernie



Joined: 26/07/2008
Posts: 2012

Message Posted:
17/06/2010 08:15

Rowlo, Msg 4 Am I to presume that you speak Turkish? if so maybe you could help the cause by interpreting for the 10,000?



Msg 2 Our contract is in English and there is NO mention of it being a holiday home!



Yorguzlu, Msg 6 - there would be no need for a protest about this in UK as under UK law it couldn't happen!



You both have this 'I'm all right Jack' attitude and seem to be completely devoid of empathy for these unfortunate people who stand to loose their homes. May I suggest if you can't contribute anything helpful you would be better not contributing at all!



Maggie

Stubs


Joined: 01/07/2008
Posts: 641

Message Posted:
17/06/2010 14:02

Maggie



Many of the pitfalls have been pointed out my the UK government foreign office website and also on bb's like this for many years in particular with regards deeds, the system and building regulation (or lack of). For years anyone saying anything bad was called a GC sympathiser.



The government policy in the TRNC has always been to wait for your PTP before buying a property or land. Many people chose to short cut this process and just went ahead an purchased anyway. The property laws in the TRNC may very well be flawed but we can not choose which ones we follow as guests in another country.

rwilson


Joined: 14/04/2008
Posts: 87

Message Posted:
17/06/2010 15:22

My friend has their permssion to buy but was never warned against buying off plan because of the danger from the banks.



rowlo, I think your "us and them" attitude is bit short sighted. It seems as many TCs as Brits are suffering.



I believe the call to protest was not for Brits, but for all fair minded peoples.



Please dont forget Rowlo, you are talking about the smashing of peoples dreams, their life savings and their health because they love TRNC.

yorgozlu



Joined: 16/06/2009
Posts: 4437

Message Posted:
17/06/2010 16:36

ENGLISH ,a very elasticated language,isnt it?We can take it any way that it suits us!!!



cronos;

I do NO favours to TRNC,only to YOU!If you cant see it,thats your problem.

But,just to give you clearer mind,NO,I do not agree with TRNC legal system,nor I have anything to be ashamed of.



friendishpaul;

"I fully understand and appreciate your passionate support of the TRNC but in this case you need to remove the blinkers and stop trying to defend the indefensible. "



I'm not defending anything other then you.My comments not being colourful does not make them LIES.

yorgozlu



Joined: 16/06/2009
Posts: 4437

Message Posted:
17/06/2010 16:41

http://www.cyprus44.com/forums/38506.asp



Look where the above thread got me just for trying to tell the guy that he does not need to ask what he was asking,purely because he is a TC.

Stubs


Joined: 01/07/2008
Posts: 641

Message Posted:
17/06/2010 16:45

Robert



Are you saying that your friend waited until they had their PTP before they handed over a penny?



Also to be fair many people didnt buy property because they "love the TRNC" but because it was cheap

fiendishpaul


Joined: 18/05/2008
Posts: 1720

Message Posted:
17/06/2010 18:03

Yorgo



It would appear that a number of us have misinterpreted your statements at message 6. Maybe you could clarify them for us.



Also, I never accused you of lying, I just felt that your thoughts were 'misguided'.



Finally, thanks for defending me - against what ??



keep up the good work.



Regards



Paul

yorgozlu



Joined: 16/06/2009
Posts: 4437

Message Posted:
17/06/2010 20:54

re msg 17;

friendishpaul;



Can you show me ONE,I repeat ONE expat that had been living in TRNC not 1 years or 2 or 3 or even 4 but 5 years and more and they can speak TURKISH????

Only then you'd be able to prove me wrong.

The fact that foreighners get this,that and the other in UK and thats why they should at least be able to speak the language is just a very poor excuse for expatsnot to learn.

Then again,truth always heards.

Dusterbruce


Joined: 03/08/2007
Posts: 1125

Message Posted:
17/06/2010 21:13

My late mother lived in Karaoglanoglu for 16 years and took the trouble to take Turkish lessons, she was not fluent but could get by.

However she found it virtually impossible to use her acquired Turkish as every time she tried to speak to TCs and Turks they insisted in using English so they could practise their English.

spider


Joined: 03/01/2009
Posts: 5527

Message Posted:
17/06/2010 21:16

yorgozlu..come on please half the people in England cant speak English..and never will far too old to bother ))



and rowlo i feel that most of us on the forum at the moment feel perhaps you should take a very long holiday away from the forum.!! please make it ASP...



Spider.X

fiendishpaul


Joined: 18/05/2008
Posts: 1720

Message Posted:
17/06/2010 22:12

Yorgo



Please call me Paul, as you keep spelling my username wrong - It is Fiendishpaul NOT friendishpaul.



I am not trying to prove you wrong, I agree that very few expats speak Turkish but then again there is no real incentive for them to do so as most TC's like to speak english. Like myself, most expats will probably learn sufficient Turkish to count, greet people, say thankyou etc etc but that is probably as far as it goes.

Migrants in the UK DO have an incentive, namely if they don't learn the language then they will not have access to all the benefits mentioned in my previous post. Maybe if the TRNC was to employ something similar and offer expats the same benefits as TC's then more expats would be willing to learn. Just a thought, but we know that this will never happen.



Sorry to correct your excellent english but the truth 'hurts' not 'heards'.



Best wishes



Paul

wynyardman



Joined: 15/12/2007
Posts: 4580

Message Posted:
18/06/2010 11:12

This thread was a legitimate question on Beneficial Ownership.



Is anyone (preferably with knowledge of TRNC laws) able to offer constructive advice?



Thank you,



Wynyardman

fiendishpaul


Joined: 18/05/2008
Posts: 1720

Message Posted:
18/06/2010 13:35

Sorry Wyn



Apologies for digressing from the original thread heading.



Paul