Is the TRNC a black hole?

wynyardman



Joined: 15/12/2007
Posts: 4580

Message Posted:
21/06/2010 20:02

For four years now we have been trying to buy a villa in the TRNC. We keep putting everything in but nothing comes out.



1 Advocates Pay us £1000 and you will get your kochan. Yeah!



2 This is exchange land where it has been swopped with the former Greek owner! Yeah.



3 Your villa will be completed and you can move in in 18 months! Yeah



4 I was a practising Barrister in London. Trust me! Yeah.



5 For £4000 quid, I will give you a garden to make your eyes sparkle! Yeah



6 The Cyprus Problem is sorted and direct flights in 6 months. Yeah.



7 We will be the biggest most successful builder in The TRNC! Yeah



8 Under the Estate Agents Law, once registered your property is safe from any further ENCUMBERANCE!! Yeah.



9 Any problems with our products you can have your money back!! Yeah



10 For £75 quid a month we will keep your gardens weedfree and watered. Yeah (Photographs available)

wynyardman



Joined: 15/12/2007
Posts: 4580

Message Posted:
21/06/2010 20:07

11 AND THEN THE CYPRIOT CLASSIC......I like you, you have a clear heart.



12 AND FINALLY...........YOUR CONTRACTS ARE NOT WORTH THE PAPER THEY ARE WRITTEN ON!!







Time for a rethink President Ergolu?



MY VERY HEART ACHES!



wynyardman





Oh and dont forget Richard Branson has bought ap 10,000 donums of prime real estate, and Virgin are starting direct flights



next week!

dizzycows


Joined: 12/05/2009
Posts: 2736

Message Posted:
21/06/2010 20:24

Next instalement wyn, 'hundreds of expats' turned up to the auction of homes on 4th July.



They were all united in their stance of 'message to President Ergolu' ... Please sort out your country before your economy completely collapses!



x

wynyardman



Joined: 15/12/2007
Posts: 4580

Message Posted:
21/06/2010 20:34

Dizzy,



Yeah Now you in my opinion have a clean heart!



Take care,



wyn

rowlo



Joined: 12/10/2008
Posts: 4796

Message Posted:
21/06/2010 21:31

i hate to say this , but never should have bought off plan ? the glossy pictures look great , but until you get a feel for your house , like standing inside the finished building ,with only the tiles and worktops to go , then should you part with your hard earned , theres only limited stuff that needs to be done ?

cronos


Joined: 26/10/2008
Posts: 2093

Message Posted:
21/06/2010 21:45

Rowlo.....I think you'll find that Wyn's decision to buy off plan is just one small part of his problems.

Even if he had followed your advice and bought a completed villa,he would still have had the same issues with title deeds and memoranda.

Please don't encourage potential buyers to think that they are completely safe if they avoid off-plan.

We all now know that this is simply not true.

rowlo



Joined: 12/10/2008
Posts: 4796

Message Posted:
21/06/2010 22:03

cronos , dont think im a fool whos money was soon parted , my place was completed in 5 months , maybe some people need to sit down and take a look at what theyve done , dont come on here and slaughter all things TRNC , i built my own house in uk in 9 months , so if i was still waiting 4 years later in TRNC , for my house i would be thinking a fool and his money , you know the rest ? please dont put potential buyers off , DO YOUR HOMEWORK ,

wynyardman



Joined: 15/12/2007
Posts: 4580

Message Posted:
21/06/2010 22:04

cronus,



At the time we bought 2006 it was the heyday of off plan property sales.



It is easy to be clever in retrospect.



I was just recalling how many times we have been to the TRNC and each visit we were £5K worse off. All we ever got was lies and false promises.



To be brutally frank. we have spent over £150K. paid on time, and honoured our contractrual obligations, and we have nothing.



I posted the spoof about a black hole, as a timely reminder to all who STILL seek to buy



In the UK I have been in business for over 20 years. I have held multi million pound contracts with British Rail, HSBC



Lucas UK, First Group. Go Ahead Group. I have employed some 260 people and we always met our committments.



But never have I come across such underhand and corrupt practices. It is the interpretation of the legal system that allpws



these practices . North Cyprus could be heaven on earth, in fact The Jewel of the Mediterranean , but it needs a just and fair

wynyardman



Joined: 15/12/2007
Posts: 4580

Message Posted:
21/06/2010 22:07

legal sytem.



President Ergolu, you have a difficult and thankless task, but many are relying on your integrity and good faith. Please do not let them down. They sir provide the money that is the lifeblood of the TRNC.



wynyardman

HildySmith


Joined: 02/07/2009
Posts: 1708

Message Posted:
21/06/2010 22:10

I agree - should never have bought off plan - but as Cronos says that is only part of the problem

Wynyardman =

- you missed out, pay the builders tax and you will get your kojans

- Put extra money in and you will get your house done quicker

- Sorry no electric - you have no building permit

- Trust me I am an honourable man

- you can have builders electric for a short while 'short!!!!!!!!' it has taken 4 years for the house which is still not done and is now falling down so how long is 'short' here

- You need to pay £4500 for a Transformer for the electric - WHY with no building permit you cannot get electric

newlad



Joined: 02/03/2008
Posts: 7819

Message Posted:
21/06/2010 22:10

Good luck matey,keep battling,

Paul.

wynyardman



Joined: 15/12/2007
Posts: 4580

Message Posted:
21/06/2010 22:15

Hildy Smith,



I could have gone on all night, but I couldnt afford the ink!



Battle on!



wyn

wynyardman



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Posts: 4580

Message Posted:
21/06/2010 22:18

Newlad,



Just warming up matey!



wynge

newlad



Joined: 02/03/2008
Posts: 7819

Message Posted:
21/06/2010 22:22

Still bowling at medium pace then Wyn,get ready for the long hops guys,

Paul.

cyprusishome


Joined: 31/03/2007
Posts: 2381

Message Posted:
21/06/2010 22:34

Many of us bought off plan 5 years ago or about. At that time there were few problems emerging for us to be given doubts.



We did all the research with all the tools available. Still got stuffed by developer doing a runner from TRNC, where is that in the guide book!!!!!!!!!!!



That said the amount of info on the internet thing over the last 4 years has increased exponentially so anyone buying off plan now deserves all they get.

wynyardman



Joined: 15/12/2007
Posts: 4580

Message Posted:
21/06/2010 22:38

Cyprusishome,



David, I would give you my last Rollo.........................PLEASE1



wyn

newlad



Joined: 02/03/2008
Posts: 7819

Message Posted:
21/06/2010 22:39

" Anyone buying off plan deserves all they get" we must have been one of the few lucky ones David, as we are very happy with what we have,

Paul.

rowlo



Joined: 12/10/2008
Posts: 4796

Message Posted:
21/06/2010 22:47

did you throw your money in to a black hole wyn?

dizzycows


Joined: 12/05/2009
Posts: 2736

Message Posted:
21/06/2010 23:05

Think thats what wyn is trying to say Rowlo, its a fact that you and I have been lucky so to speak, but some folks have been poooooood on from a great hight. Think they need support in all of this, and if by posting things to help others, surely it will benefit every one in the long run..... you and I alike....

rowlo



Joined: 12/10/2008
Posts: 4796

Message Posted:
21/06/2010 23:18

ok dizzy , but why come on here and slaughter everything TRNC , and put of potential buyers ? for a mistake that he made ? question , if his purchase had went through smoothly , would this topic be being addressed ? would all things TRNC be great ? or is it just another person biting of more than he can chew ?

cronos


Joined: 26/10/2008
Posts: 2093

Message Posted:
21/06/2010 23:40

Rowlo,although it suits your purposes to claim so , no-one is" slaughtering everything TRNC"

We are highlighting the very real pitfalls and problems specifically associated with buying property as a foreigner in an unjust and discriminatory system.

You can bleat on for ever and a day...and I'm sure you will...about your precious "homework"....but it DOESN'T make purchase in the TRNC 100% safe while ever the law allows the scams to prevail !

You were lucky...face facts and accept it.....and stop unjustly criticising victims who weren't so lucky despite doing their homework.



And judging by your profile pic,you seem to have a penchant for John Lydon and the Sex Pistols ?

"a cheap holiday in other people's misery" seems to fit the bill.

rowlo



Joined: 12/10/2008
Posts: 4796

Message Posted:
22/06/2010 00:14

cronos msg21, youre obviously another loser ? so why did you choose to buy in TRNC in the first place ? a cheap home perhaps , and bragging rights to your mates ,IE ,ive bought a place in cyprus , open your eyes mate ,before your mouth , or even your wallet ?

yorgozlu



Joined: 16/06/2009
Posts: 4437

Message Posted:
22/06/2010 00:17

I'd say,more of a LOOP HOLE then BLACK HOLE in the system that allows the dishonest ones(builders in this case) to use and abuse for their gain.

However,I'd still insist that until the ones from better places with better awareness of legal systems(ie.UK) arrived in TRNC,the TCs were not aware of this.

I suppose,in black and white,what I've been trying to say is,"look little closer",ie.Garry Robb.

I could go on,and beleive you me I've met few ex-pats in building bussiness here telling me with great pleasure how they sold 6 apartments to another ex-pat off-plan,took £120,000 as first payment,the guy couldnt come up with next payment,they took the lot of him and resold them to other ex-pats.

2 Wrongs do not make 1 wright,but.......work the rest out for yourself!!!!!!!!!

Bradus


Joined: 25/02/2007
Posts: 2641

Message Posted:
22/06/2010 00:27

Rowlo,

"For a mistake that HE made"

And thousands of others. Are you closing your eyes to all the threads that identify problems with developers? Presumably you have read the auction thread? But chose to ignore it? Can you not feel just a touch of sympathy for Hildy whose house is slipping down the mountain? What about the £2 million mortgage on Sea Terra? Can the owners bury their heads in the sand as you do? Those whose houses were never completed and have been living without electricity and water for many years?Are you suggesting it is all their own fault and they should not complain? I could refer to many cases, some relating to off plan but others on completed homes. Why do you become so defensive when people relate their experience? Fearful of the TRNC's future and your investment? Does it make you feel rather foolish for buying in such a place? Is it ruining your dream?



WELL TOUGH. Its reality. This is the TRNC, warts and all.

Lilli



Joined: 21/07/2008
Posts: 13081

Message Posted:
22/06/2010 00:30

god now i read on here amaranta valley is to be auctioned and all contrants will be null and void, it just gets worse. you hold onto a glimmer of hope to have it snatched from you.

rowlo



Joined: 12/10/2008
Posts: 4796

Message Posted:
22/06/2010 00:30

yorgo , they dont want to hear that , tell them something they want to hear like , 3 bed villa detached ,own pool 1 donum , sea views , only £40,000 , this price applies to of plan buyers only , minimum of 50% deposit secures your dream home in the sun , for more details contact bob the builder and co , in the first instance , via the homework department ?

cronos


Joined: 26/10/2008
Posts: 2093

Message Posted:
22/06/2010 00:39

Rowlo...msg 22.

Your increasingly desperate replies leave people in no doubt who the loser is on here.

You know nothing of me or my situation in Northern Cyprus,so why resort to guesswork and childish insults?

And as for your comment regarding bragging rights....that really is a laughable pot/kettle/black statement coming from you !

Aren't you the high roller who constantly reminds us how much he pays in tax,and how he can afford to gamble away the price of a house in the TRNC?

Bradus


Joined: 25/02/2007
Posts: 2641

Message Posted:
22/06/2010 00:44

Rowlo,



Do you mean all those 10 bob millionaires the TRNC is famous for?

Tootie


Joined: 28/08/2008
Posts: 2037

Message Posted:
22/06/2010 02:13

PS , Post deleteted at posters request

Simbas

matula


Joined: 07/07/2008
Posts: 647

Message Posted:
22/06/2010 07:53

Rowlo---It must be wonderful to live in paradise like yourself!

dizzycows


Joined: 12/05/2009
Posts: 2736

Message Posted:
22/06/2010 12:23

Now, now folks, Rowlo is entitled to his opinion as we all are. Our villa wasnt cheap, it wasnt dear, but with all whats going on I realy dont think any one can will want to invest in NC until the system is sorted.

As for the Amaranta valley being sold, thats just sooo heart rendering, Lili, I am so sorry for you and all those caught up in this huge scam.... Gary Robber, he robbed people of not just money, but their lives as well, he has blood on his hands.....

girne 29


Joined: 06/12/2007
Posts: 1488

Message Posted:
22/06/2010 13:26

Rowlo

'and bragging rights to your mates ,IE ,ive bought a place in cyprus , '



Bragging? quite the reverse . I usually mumble 'Cyprus' when asked,to avoid giving the impression of not being right in the head. now, that whats going on in NC is becoming more common knowledge . People fail to realise we bought in good faith years ago and a lot of the scandals have only become apparent now.



As for your comment Rowlo,'why come on here and slaughter everything TRNC'. Your views that anyone purchasing in NC deserves to be ripped off. and indicating buying in NC is on the same level as giving some Nigerian princess your bank details to transfer oil funds,does more damage to the TRNC than anything we could say. You tell me if I come and buy I am an idiot to expect the law will protect me against fraud.

Simple, I wont come.Thanks for the warning.

What is your motive in being so insulting about purchasers in NC ? To many incomers spoiling the place for you?

YFred


Joined: 06/05/2009
Posts: 1471

Message Posted:
22/06/2010 14:05

There is a way of avoiding this mess for those of you who wish to buy in the north. Buy the land first and get your deeds for that and then and then get a builder yourselves. What is it with people paying hundreds of thousands of pounds for a property without deeds? No deeds no money, very simple.

yorgozlu



Joined: 16/06/2009
Posts: 4437

Message Posted:
22/06/2010 14:54

YFred;

That is easy said then done!!

What could happen to that LAND whilst "they" are waiting for PTP is no different then whats been happening with their properties.

PTP=MONEY

If one has that,one has the right to buy straight away get their title deeds at the same time,like you and I can.



I cannot see "no deeds no money" as solution,as I dont think it is right for anyone (construction co. or whoever) to sell a property without the actual deeds being in their own name.



Anyway,it is good to har from you on here.

"bosbayis,gala?essegin gotunu yala"

birdy



Joined: 21/07/2009
Posts: 154

Message Posted:
22/06/2010 15:03

Buy a resale with deeds very simple.

simbas



Joined: 16/07/2007
Posts: 5943

Message Posted:
22/06/2010 15:09

Have you got a twin Birdy ?

birdy



Joined: 21/07/2009
Posts: 154

Message Posted:
22/06/2010 15:14

no younger brother and two sisters.

yorgozlu



Joined: 16/06/2009
Posts: 4437

Message Posted:
22/06/2010 15:17

msg 35;

I cant see that as a solution either.

Ahhhhh,if only I was as rich as I used to be.

There is a very fine line between honesty and dishonesty,and thats where all the problems are.

simbas



Joined: 16/07/2007
Posts: 5943

Message Posted:
22/06/2010 15:27

msg 37 , mmm

Bradus


Joined: 25/02/2007
Posts: 2641

Message Posted:
22/06/2010 20:23

Unfortunately Birdy this is not a solution. It takes up to two years for ptp to come through and during that time the seller remains the legal owner.This is the time memorandums are being taken out.Its also the time building stops and even though some people then step in and finish their own build, the developer still owns the property and is under no legal obligation to give the deeds to the buyer, even though the buyer will have most likely paid in full or paid most of the money. When the PTP finally come through the seller still does not have to transfer title deeds if he does not wish to do so.



Unless the Government review the current laws there is nothing buyers can do to safeguard themselves. The only solution is for this to happen. It really is a case of pot luck at present.



No kocan, no money has to be the way forward.

cronos


Joined: 26/10/2008
Posts: 2093

Message Posted:
22/06/2010 20:37

Birdy...msg 35.



No...it is not that simple.



A resale may have deeds...but until they are in your name they mean nothing.



I've noticed that a lot of sellers and agents are now advertising their property as "deeds ready",which is virtually meaningless.

Until you have PTP for that particular property and the seller/builder/developer agrees to transfer them into your name you have nothing !

rowlo



Joined: 12/10/2008
Posts: 4796

Message Posted:
22/06/2010 22:24

msg41 now your doing your homework , hope its not to late ?

HildySmith


Joined: 02/07/2009
Posts: 1708

Message Posted:
22/06/2010 22:37

My builder - CAFER YUCELGAZI of:

ASPIRE TRADING LTD, ASPIRE CONSTRUCTION LTD, Ca Sa

- did not do a runner - he is still here

- he is now a registered builder AND

- he is currently trading again in Lefkosia and

- he is currently building in Lefkosia

I did my 'homework' but was not aware that my advocate at the tiime was able to stitch me up and lie to me for 3 years about it and get away with it

cronos


Joined: 26/10/2008
Posts: 2093

Message Posted:
22/06/2010 22:40

Rowlo...msg 42.

Patronising doesn't cut it either.

You seem to be the font of all knowledge on here so why not start up a business in the TRNC?

You could be a consultant for people considering buying in the TRNC.

With your in depth knowledge,and with the benefit of all your homework I'm sure you could promise a 100% safe purchase,with PTP and full title deeds.

With your foolproof system you could offer a deal.....£2000 for your services,or double their money back if they don't get title deeds.

Think about it....I know you don't need the money but it could be a winner.....and surely it couldn't be a loser.....could it ?

cronos


Joined: 26/10/2008
Posts: 2093

Message Posted:
22/06/2010 22:44

Hildy...msg 43



Sorry to hear about your problems.



If only you'd had Rowlo as your teacher he could have marked your homework and showed you where you were going wrong.

Bradus


Joined: 25/02/2007
Posts: 2641

Message Posted:
22/06/2010 22:57

Perhaps he could have been of some assistance to the advocate too?

dizzycows


Joined: 12/05/2009
Posts: 2736

Message Posted:
22/06/2010 23:14

Being a bit cautious here, when you have your permission to buy, does this then enable you to buy again without going through all the process again? or do you have to apply for every time you purchase?



Any one know please.....

Lilli



Joined: 21/07/2008
Posts: 13081

Message Posted:
22/06/2010 23:15

the more i read the more sad i get , its already been a bad day with the news of amaranta. yfred i read you every day on the other fotum i have to say i like you x

rowlo



Joined: 12/10/2008
Posts: 4796

Message Posted:
22/06/2010 23:17

to the unfortunate ones , i feel for you , but dont come on a public board laundering your dirty washing , you made a mistake ? get over it , others are happy here , dont put of potential buyers because your dream turned into a nightmare ?

cronos


Joined: 26/10/2008
Posts: 2093

Message Posted:
22/06/2010 23:21

Dizzy...msg 47



Unfortunately you have to apply for PTP for each individual property.

Also,even if you buy a resale and the original owners got their ptp,this is no guarantee that you will get yours.

cronos


Joined: 26/10/2008
Posts: 2093

Message Posted:
22/06/2010 23:26

Rowlo....have you heard yourself?

We are not talking about the odd one or two that have been fleeced.....this could run into thousands !



Would you rather that potential buyers had the truth kept from them so that they could join the ever growing list of property victims?



Why do you want to silence people who can relate their real life experiences in the TRNC property market?

climakool


Joined: 09/11/2008
Posts: 190

Message Posted:
22/06/2010 23:41

how rude and disrespectful can somebody be - as the saying goes - what goes around comes around

scootex



Joined: 03/03/2009
Posts: 908

Message Posted:
23/06/2010

Come on Rowlo own up you must be a cypriot builder incognito t5he bway you try to protect them and hide the truth .

Can I get on as their agent as well does it pay good

rowlo



Joined: 12/10/2008
Posts: 4796

Message Posted:
23/06/2010 00:17

you guys are not in the uk now ? you paid your money ,you took your chances ? if its gone pear shaped for you ,remember this , no one stole your money , you gave them it ? on your own accord , nobody held a gun to your head and said give me your cash , you could have got back on that plane ,and only been the airfare out of pocket ?

YFred


Joined: 06/05/2009
Posts: 1471

Message Posted:
23/06/2010 00:33

Bu ise rh Yorgozlu. What is so difficult?



At least you would avoid the dirty trick of the developers borrowing money on your house.

YFred


Joined: 06/05/2009
Posts: 1471

Message Posted:
23/06/2010 00:41

Thank you. I like you too. My Greek Cypriot cousins don't like me very much over on the other side. I just cannot understand why?



LOL

YFred


Joined: 06/05/2009
Posts: 1471

Message Posted:
23/06/2010 00:46

Message 54.



Rowlo, stop being so nasty. We all take chances in life. The only thing to do is not to sweep it under the carpet and put up a fight. TRNC and "roc" is responsible for this mess. They should both be made to pay.

HildySmith


Joined: 02/07/2009
Posts: 1708

Message Posted:
23/06/2010 00:50

Rowlo - which planet do you come from??????

'don't come on a public board laundering your dirty washing, you made a mistake ? get over it , others are happy here , dont put of potential buyers of because your dream turned into a nightmare ?

- no one is 'laundering' their 'dirty washing' - just quite rightly warning others - I wish I had been warned - you know the old saying 'fore-warned is fore-armed'

- I did not 'make a mistake' - like you I entered into a contractual agreement

- I am happy here - what makes you think that I am not (more of your strange insight)

- Cafer Yucelgazi did STEAL my money

- He may not have held a gun to my head but I sure as hell would like to hold one to his

- as a result of this forum I have tonight followed links and taken action which may or may not bear fruit - but it was worth a try and I thank the person who provided the insight on the forum for me to take further action.

Maybe you should 'get back on that plane' if you are unhappy

basheer



Joined: 22/12/2008
Posts: 949

Message Posted:
23/06/2010 00:50

what's the real reason for "permission to purchase" and 2 yr wait time what for?

it allows the builder to prepare the sting

all future buyers need to buy properties with title deeds and vat paid less risk but still risky all the same

HildySmith


Joined: 02/07/2009
Posts: 1708

Message Posted:
23/06/2010 00:53

I have just ready the HBPG website and there is a sign in red moving across the screen saying:

do not pay your advocate until he has done everything that you are paying him for (or words to that effect)

Good advice - I have a new advocate who gives me costs inadvance and does not request the money until such time as the action is done or about to be done.

rowlo



Joined: 12/10/2008
Posts: 4796

Message Posted:
23/06/2010 00:53

thats only your assumtion msg54 ?

HildySmith


Joined: 02/07/2009
Posts: 1708

Message Posted:
23/06/2010 00:54

you are message 54

which planet are you on?????

YFred


Joined: 06/05/2009
Posts: 1471

Message Posted:
23/06/2010 00:58

Rowlo, what is the assumption?



The fact that it has taken 45 years to solve the problem which they could have solved and did not. Starved the Turkish Cypriots of making a living so all they can do is sell their land to the developers, whilest their land is being held by the lovely roc in the south.



Why is it an assumption. I would have thought it was obvious.

rowlo



Joined: 12/10/2008
Posts: 4796

Message Posted:
23/06/2010 01:00

the same one as your msg 60 , hildy

HildySmith


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Posts: 1708

Message Posted:
23/06/2010 01:18

Good

then you will appreciate it when someone has a justified gripe and others help them - simples!!!!

dizzycows


Joined: 12/05/2009
Posts: 2736

Message Posted:
23/06/2010 12:22

Cronos msg 50, thanks for that bit of info, I did not realise that you had to do this procedure every time.....



Makes it very long winded, why they cannot use the first PTP is beyond me.....

yorgozlu



Joined: 16/06/2009
Posts: 4437

Message Posted:
23/06/2010 18:25

YFred;

"My Greek Cypriot cousins don't like me very much over on the other side. I just cannot understand why? "



I'm sure I had written what I have as a tatoo on my thumb on the other forum.Follow that and you cant go wrong.Have not been on there myself lately either, had no time.

Give us a shout if you are over.

girne 29


Joined: 06/12/2007
Posts: 1488

Message Posted:
23/06/2010 19:39

Rowlo

' dont put of potential buyers of because your dream turned into a nightmare ?

Your doing fine on your own without our help. Fifth columnist comes to mind



scootex

'Come on Rowlo own up you must be a cypriot builder incognito;'

Maybe ,but a Greek Cypriot one. I think the NC builders must be praying for Rowlo to shut up.

Blackpoolfan


Joined: 03/12/2008
Posts: 1568

Message Posted:
23/06/2010 19:47

Rowlo, Ah he cant help himself why don't you start your own thread on positive buying experiences and you can spout "Crap" to your hearts content, instead of winding people up who are stressed enough as it is trying to sort out their own property issues

Tenakoutou



Joined: 27/07/2009
Posts: 4110

Message Posted:
23/06/2010 19:59

Bravo, 'Blackpoolfan' - it's now well past time the 'Mods' ordered him to do exactly what you suggest.



Obviously, he thrives on 'adding insult to injury'.



One trusts he has adequate/good dental insurance should he 'accidentally' bump into someone he has upset by his constant jibing.



It might go something like this: 'Ah, whoops, sorry - did you get in my way?'

wynyardman



Joined: 15/12/2007
Posts: 4580

Message Posted:
23/06/2010 20:28

Rollo,



I chose not to enter the maelstrom caused by your responses. Depression is a personal thing best discussed in private with your medical advisors.



What i would like to say is that the many well meaning people who chose to take issue with you, are the salt of the earth. They chose not to complain of their personal distress, but to relate their tales to others that follow, in order that should avoid the same pitfalls. They are not naive. They come from a country with a robust and fair Legal System. They were told that the TRNC system was based on British Law



They do not knock The TRNC, on the contrary, they are effusive in their comments, but they do appeal to the Government

to sort out the issues that are bringing in The TRNC into disrepute in buying property. Construction in the TRNC has been the mainstay of this fledgeling economy and support for the property buying public is essential, if this country is to prosper.

wynyardman



Joined: 15/12/2007
Posts: 4580

Message Posted:
23/06/2010 20:36

Enough people have publically taken issue with you over your remarks, but I hear no suggestion of an appology. There are MANY people that have been deprived of what is rightly theirs, and in my opinion deserve an appology from you.



Anyone that bought in The TRNC were lucky if they evaded mortgages, memorandums, and other encumberances. They were not clever!



I fervently hope these good peoples appeals for justice,are heard by the new President Dr Ergolu and that the nescessary legal adjustments are made to make The TRNC Construction Industry a major player again in the economy.



wwynyardman

dizzycows


Joined: 12/05/2009
Posts: 2736

Message Posted:
23/06/2010 20:41

With whats happened to all of you is quite honestly a tragedy, it should not be sneered at, as it could have been me/us, it is just sheer good luck that we had our Kochan and perhaps an honest seller. I just think every one who has got there kochan should thank their lucky stars and get off their asses and go help show support at these auctions.....



Wyn, dont get yourself into destruct mode, ( depression) there are many that have now read your threads and will ask the questions that you and others have advised. Only good can come of all this, so take heart boyo. x

keithcaley



Joined: 13/06/2008
Posts: 2521

Message Posted:
23/06/2010 21:27

Wyn,

Sometimes I think that you 'Waffle on' a bit, and utter platitudes, but your posts on this thread are spot on, I agree with everything that you said

I hope that you don't mind me posting the following, for the 3rd time: -

I think that if you deal with Honest people, you probably won't get ripped off, and if you deal with Villains then you probably will, no matter what your advocate says or does, because the Villains have had a lot of practice, and have got something to gain, unlike most advocates, who get paid 'Win or Lose'

How do you know in advance which are the Honest ones, and which are the Villains?

Despite doing what I thought was 'extensive research' circa 2004, I never heard of any of these problems, and didn't even know that there were such things as Cyprus Forums...

You have to know the right thing to search for in the first place, and you don't know that until you already know about it - I think that Donald Rumsfeld would have been proud of saying that!

mozgor



Joined: 16/06/2010
Posts: 256

Message Posted:
23/06/2010 21:51

It's so sad to read about the issues here, but we were very lucky, we bought a Eurocoast property in Kayalar and everything and mean everything went very smoothly. Bought in Jan 06 when the founds were in, took possession in May 07 and got the Kocan in Jan 09 - as I said very smooth. Think a lot to do with the process is how established and how much experience the buidler has in TRNC, also a good lawyer helps.

wynyardman



Joined: 15/12/2007
Posts: 4580

Message Posted:
23/06/2010 21:53

keithkaley,



1 When did you first hear of "memorandums" ?



2 Did you realise they confer the rights for your property to be sold at auction, to settle someone elses debts?



3 Did you think "registration" under The Estates Agents Law, when you paid your Stamp Duty, protected your property against



further encumberances.?



4 Do you know whether "registrations" outrank "memorandums"



5 Good builders of 4 years ago are todays "baddies" as they cannot meet their contractrual obligations.



BECAUSE MY ADVOCATE THAT I HAVE BEEN *PAYING FOR OVER 4 YEARS DID NOT !!!



Keith...allow us to waffle on, Good people need to know!!



wynyardman

keithcaley



Joined: 13/06/2008
Posts: 2521

Message Posted:
23/06/2010 22:26

Wyn,

My post was intended to be supportive of you, albeit slightly 'tongue in cheek'...

As I meant to imply - I had no idea about Memorandums, or any other 'Encumberances' or indeed any of the malpractices that have now come to light, - and I was damn near first in the queue to get my contract 'Registered' in the fond hope and belief that it would safeguard my claim to my property (for which I can't get PTP) - once I realised the sort of foul deeds that were taking place.

I should say, in all fairness, that I don't suspect that either my Developer or my Builder intend to do anything untoward, but I would rather NOT leave it to chance

The recent 'Auction Orders' appear to have turned our newly acquired 'understanding' on it's head - I am totally bemused...

So - 'Waffle on' old bean, I'm with you on this one...

regards,

Keith.

newlad



Joined: 02/03/2008
Posts: 7819

Message Posted:
23/06/2010 22:31

Rowlo,

We have chewed the cud many times on here over the last couple of years,but i do feel that you have over stepped the mark with your comments on this particular thread.Time to come forward and type out an apology,

Paul.

rowlo



Joined: 12/10/2008
Posts: 4796

Message Posted:
23/06/2010 22:44

ok , ive stayed of the thread on purpose , and i apologise if i have offended or upset any one , that was not my intention , once again sorry and good luck . rowlo .

spider


Joined: 03/01/2009
Posts: 5527

Message Posted:
23/06/2010 22:51

Nice to hear that rowlo..we all know your a happy chappy.take a back seat sometimes you have said your bit,well done for apologizing shows your not all hard.x





Spider,X

yorgozlu



Joined: 16/06/2009
Posts: 4437

Message Posted:
23/06/2010 22:53

rowlo;

You dissapointed me!!



I do not agree one single bit about whats been happening to people with their properties/money......however,you do have a point as well.Especialy with sooooooo many resale properties on the market...............who are they going to be sold to??????????



Then again,what the hell do I know!!!!!!!

newlad



Joined: 02/03/2008
Posts: 7819

Message Posted:
23/06/2010 22:54

Well said,maybe the thread should be pulled now,

Paul.

rowlo



Joined: 12/10/2008
Posts: 4796

Message Posted:
23/06/2010 23:05

sorry yorgo , LONG LIVE KKTC . hopefully some one will find these gems and buy them ?

simbas



Joined: 16/07/2007
Posts: 5943

Message Posted:
23/06/2010 23:06

This thread is now closed. Reason: Thread was addressed and no need for further posts.