[FOOTBALL] Primitive nationalism on this board is shocking

DutchCrusader



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Message Posted:
27/06/2010 08:56

In some football threads on C44 primitive nationalism glorifies. Isn't it possible to pre-enjoy an interesting match like England-Germany without naming the opponents 'the arrogant Huns' and more? What is wrong with people who seem to think this is still 1945? We all live(d) in Europe 2010, we should think and talk about the future. Even in sports: respect your opponent with the world famous British sense of humour. I'm afraid it's time this generation vanishes - I hope our children and grandchildren think about sports (and a 65 years old war) in a healthier way than some here do.

Just a thought for the early Sunday morning.

Geoff


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Message Posted:
27/06/2010 09:01

It is a pity that Brits aren't more nationalistic then they are, and in respect of more important things in life

than football,

Geoff

cyprusishome


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Message Posted:
27/06/2010 09:55

Football is a primitive, tribal game. Just look anywhere in the world to see how "local teams" supporters react.



Galatasaray/Fenebace, Milan/Inter, barcelona/Real madrid, then onto the teams in Argentina and Uruguay!!!!! At least the England/Germany thing tends to remain in the press, these other teams usually end up in riots.

proger1



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Message Posted:
27/06/2010 10:30

just because we can say that it isn't as bad here as it is there, doesn't mean here is good, it just means it is not so bad. I can understand why my granfather called them the Huns but he died 20 odd years ago.

cyprusairsoft



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Message Posted:
27/06/2010 10:35

poor old hans



its traditional to insult each other good harmless banter

we are tommies they are huns always will be

considering your country was occupied by the huns and rescued by the yanks and tommies

dont know what your on about

come on engerland give it to the krauts

Clarissa2


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Message Posted:
27/06/2010 10:39

Re : Msg 1,



DC, I gave up long time ago...

proger1



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Message Posted:
27/06/2010 11:00

Offensive Slang. Used as a disparaging term for a German, especially a German soldier in World War I.



Not too sure there are any players in the team who were around in WW I

vincent1


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Message Posted:
27/06/2010 11:02

Dutchie.



Leopards ( and Germans) don't change their spots.



You should know that better than anyone!!

matula


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Message Posted:
27/06/2010 11:15

Msg 1--Well put Hans, but as I thought it would it is degenerating into a slanging match!

DutchCrusader



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Message Posted:
27/06/2010 11:18

RE msg 8, vincent1: I've told you before: people who give their outspoken opinion anonymously are not worth a serious reply.

P.S. Also once more but probably in vain again: in the English language it's an error to use two exclamation marks at the end of a sentence.

Sal1262



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Message Posted:
27/06/2010 11:18

This is a game of football. Our national sport. England is the natural home of football, a legacy that we have given to the World. Yet some small minded moronic (Richard Cranium) types will denigrate it to an opportunity to vent their racist bias. England is better place without you.

cyprusairsoft



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Message Posted:
27/06/2010 11:24

hans is a good egg really but needs to get out more

jock1



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Message Posted:
27/06/2010 11:24

Primative!!! Well said Hans, I would bring back the birch................

dizzycows


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Message Posted:
27/06/2010 11:36

Jock1, your just kinky.....lol

Groucho



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Message Posted:
27/06/2010 11:43

Sal,



The English were very good at codifying the rules of sports and thus claimed them as belonging to Britain. Various sports suffer the misnomer of being 'British' or 'English'... Golf, cricket and football among them.



People were kicking inflated bladders about for sport long before the British dreamt up a set of rules...

fiendishpaul


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Message Posted:
27/06/2010 12:08

Personally, I think people are taking this much too seriously.



It is just harmless banter between two opposing teams. Before, and at the end of the game, regardless of the result, I am sure that the fans of both teams will meet together for a few beers and some lighthearted post match analysis. The germans have a sense of humour and will see the banter for exactly what it is.



Fortunately, British football hooliganism has seriosly declined over the past 10 years and these days you are much more likely to here of it in other european countries, including dare I say it Holland where it has become a bit of a problem particularly between the clubs of Ajax, Feyenoord and PSV.



Lets hope for a good game on the pitch and no pitch battles off it.



Lighten up folks !



Regards



Paul

proger1



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Message Posted:
27/06/2010 12:08

Golf is definately scottish, who else but a scotsman would be wandering around sparse countryside and pick up a stick to then start hitting a stone towards some unknown target and then do it 17 times more just for the fun of it.

The only thing I ask is that you don't check out the leaderboard at the moment for scotsman, considering we supposedly invented the game you would think we would have more than a few players who can actually play it.

Back on subject though, the Hun term is as I wrote derogatory, would it surprice you to know that the german Tommy is not. I always thought it was short for John Thomas as in huge pen*s but it just goes to show you. The germans and french supposedly just used it as a group name where as we brits decided to come up with an insult for them.

Good old brits, lets fly that flag with pride.

CJtill


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Message Posted:
27/06/2010 13:03

There are Nations out there which genuinely hate each other when it comes to sport.

A prime example are the Dutch and Germans when it comes to football. It puts the England v Scotland fixture in the shade.

The English dont really mean it as its a bit of a laugh, but the Dutch and Germans are another matter.

Michael

DutchCrusader



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Message Posted:
27/06/2010 13:10

RE msg 18, CJtill: It would help if we stop writing and talking about "the" Dutch, "the" English, "the" Germans etc. They don't exist. I have nothing against decent Dutch, educated English, well-behaved Germans or a mixture of them. It's the rotten apples who spoil it on bulletin boards, in stadiums - everywhere.

hattikins


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Message Posted:
27/06/2010 13:23

Very true Dutch, very true.

denizen



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Message Posted:
27/06/2010 13:27

It's the rotten apples who spoil it on bulletin boards, etc

must bow to your superior knowledge on THAT subject, DC

proger1



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Message Posted:
27/06/2010 13:28

Valid point DC, with that in mind, lets all get stuck into those "apples."

DutchCrusader



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Message Posted:
27/06/2010 14:04

Now that a woman and a lady have joined with their interesting thoughts c.q. remarks it looks like this thread has run its course.

denizen



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Message Posted:
27/06/2010 14:09

ask yer pet mod to close it then

hattikins


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Message Posted:
27/06/2010 14:11

But Dutch did you not see what I wrote, true, very true, surely you can't take offence at that.

denizen



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Message Posted:
27/06/2010 14:12

don't think it meant you Hat

spider


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Message Posted:
27/06/2010 14:21

I remember well the 66 game we were listening to it on the car radio on the way to our holidays to Scotland,My Father being Polish made sure we were shouting for the right team to win...On the way home we lost our dad in a terrible car crash i was just 11yrs old,so i will always remember the fun of listening to the game on the radio.!



Come on England give it your all..You can do it.!



Spider,X

DutchCrusader



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Message Posted:
27/06/2010 14:24

RE msg 24, denizen: I have no pet moderator and have no issues with any of them. I respect the unpaid work of all active moderators and don't contradict their decisions like some here seem to do out of principle. So, if you have nothing valuable to add here you might as well go back to the kitchen. Or write an email to your uncle whom you supported so fiercely when he tried to get banned for life (and succeeded).



RE msg 25: No offence taken, Mrs Hattikins - didn't *you* read what I wrote?! I may have called you a lady!

MrsSnakes



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Message Posted:
27/06/2010 14:37

Spider, that was tragic to loose your Dad at such a young age in a car crach, I am glad you have happy memories listening to that game all those years ago x

hattikins


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Message Posted:
27/06/2010 14:43

As I've often called you a *gentleman* of course.

Good Luck England for this afternoon, may the best team win.

DutchCrusader



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Message Posted:
27/06/2010 14:57

RE msg 30, hattikins: Sigh. I take back any asterix I may have used. (Ik bedoelde het deze keer beleefd en bijna vriendelijk!) Well, now I quit this thread because I have to mentally prepare for the big clash between those excellent teams from England and Germany. I hope you all enjoy the match and may the best team win!

phylray



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Message Posted:
27/06/2010 14:59

Don't take it too seriously! An Austrian friend of mine told me they always want to see Germany beaten

and I thought they were a Germanic people too! It's not just us - and it's not really about the war/s

(don't mention it!) Sure it will be an exciting match for they are both good teams.

vincent1


Joined: 20/07/2009
Posts: 212

Message Posted:
27/06/2010 14:59

Go back on the stronger tablets Dutch !!!



I thought you had retired from this board? you just can't exist without aggro can you?



As before your English lessons are totally pathetic.

DutchCrusader



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Message Posted:
27/06/2010 15:18

RE msg 8 en 33, vincent1: I've told you before: people who give their outspoken opinion anonymously are not worth a serious reply.

JohnW


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Message Posted:
27/06/2010 15:23

People who keep resigning from the board and then returning and then resigning and then returning and then resigning and then returning and then resigning and then returning and then resigning and then returning and then resigning and then returning and then resigning and then returning and then resigning and then returning and then resigning and then returning and then resigning and then returning and then resigning and then returning are not only boring but not worth either listening to nor are worthy of a serious reply.

hattikins


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Message Posted:
27/06/2010 15:49

And now, the end is near, oh how we wish !

JohnW


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Message Posted:
27/06/2010 15:51

hattikins



The problem is one of co-dependency.

spider


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Message Posted:
27/06/2010 15:55

Oh JohnW. Co-dependency nice one you have me laughing so much,so very funny thanks. ))))







Spider,X

hattikins


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Message Posted:
27/06/2010 16:00

John

More like full of self importance, or delusional.

rick1


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Message Posted:
27/06/2010 16:34

As a past Liverpool manager said.



"Footbal is not a matter of life or death, its more important than that"

cyprusairsoft



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Message Posted:
27/06/2010 16:35

had a fright thoght private pike was back today

luckily it was an old post that needed closure

vincent1


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Message Posted:
27/06/2010 18:13

Aren't there any forums available for second rate twopennyhalfpenny Dutch journalists that he could participate in and leave us in peace?

Do you remember last year when he was compiling a list of members he was banning? That was amusing!



He is priceless !!

JohnW


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Message Posted:
27/06/2010 18:17

The DaftCrusader

proger1



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Message Posted:
27/06/2010 18:42

I could be wrong but it seems to me there is a bit of ganging up going on here.

JohnW


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Message Posted:
27/06/2010 18:44

.....just light entertainment.

proger1



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Message Posted:
27/06/2010 18:55

I understand that JohnW but the entertainment seems to be about you guys taking the P out of someone who is not on here to defend himself although knowing DC he wouldn't bother.

I will say this for him, he might rub people up the wrong way but he does it on his own and he does it with style, he started this thread trying to point out that we really shouldn't still be using offensive names that stem from in actual fact WW I not 65 years ago, and ends up getting abuse but if he points out a spelling or grammer mistake people get upset with him.

Highly enlightening really. I'll remember to avoid a debate with you 3, looks like it is very 1 sided.

Groucho



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Message Posted:
27/06/2010 19:01

I do believe the moniker 'Tommy' comes from the name 'Tommy Atkins' the name used by the services on sample enlistment forms.

JohnW


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Message Posted:
27/06/2010 19:02

eh! He started this thread today so he must be here.



Proger1, grow up.

simbas



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Message Posted:
27/06/2010 19:03

I think this thread has run it's course , if there are no objections i will close it

Simbas

proger1



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Message Posted:
27/06/2010 19:04

I believe you are right Groucho but it was the name that was printed on the example page of the paybooks they carried, if they were captured by the germans, that and thier dog tags were the only identifiable documents they were supposed to be carrying.

proger1



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Message Posted:
27/06/2010 19:05

go ahead simbas, I think I have enjoyed it enough.



Paul

nurseawful



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Message Posted:
27/06/2010 19:06

Proger1,



I agree this has turned not only into certain people taking the p... as you say but it seems to me to be very infantile behaviour from people who are supposed to be adult!



Chris

JohnW


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Message Posted:
27/06/2010 19:08

Surely not, adults on Cyprus44, never!

simbas



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Message Posted:
27/06/2010 19:08

Thread closed reason given in msg 49

Simbas

JohnW


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Message Posted:
27/06/2010 19:09

I thought it was closed?

simbas



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Message Posted:
27/06/2010 19:09

So did i ???

simbas



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Message Posted:
27/06/2010 19:10

This thread is now closed. Reason: Thread was addressed and no need for further posts.